Revelations in John Bolton's Book on President Trump

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   crankaliciousposted 4 years ago

   Here are some of the things that John Bolton reveals about President Trump in his new book:
   
   1. Trump tried to get China to help him win the 2020 election
   2. Trump said he was open to serving more than two terms
   3. Trump offer favors to authoritarian leaders
   4. Trump praised China's internment camps
   5. Trump praised Saudi Arabia to deflect from a story about Ivanka using her personal email server
   6. Trump's staff mocked him behind his back
   7. Trump thought Finland was part of Russia
   8. Trump thought Venezuela was part of the U.S. and thought invading it would be fun.
   
   What do you think of these claims?

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      jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I think he is self serving and trying to sell books.
      Go back when he was being nominated by Trump and read all the nasty things they said about Bolton...a war monger...
      Now, he is the darling of the media when he criticizes Trump.
      His 15 minutes of fame is up.

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         jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         To be honest, the American people knows all about Trump and more...
         At this point, either you hate him or you support him with all his flaws.
         No new revelations will change anyone's mind.

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Jackclee, I agreed completely. The American people were no fools when they bought Trump to power. He meant well.

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         crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         So do you think everything Bolton said was a lie?
         
         Would you knowingly vote for a man who thought Finland was part of Russia or Venezuela was part of the U.S.?
         
         And I hardly see Bolton being treated as a media darling. Could you provide any links on that? Most opinions are heavily criticizing him for not testifying and others are suggesting not to buy his book while still analyzing the revelations in it, which is consistent with other revelations from other former Trump administration officials like James Mattis and John Kelley.

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Cranka, what source does John Bolton used for the story? That which  Trump described as "fake news"?!

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               crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Bolton is the source. He witnessed them.

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                  Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Cranka, the law is begging, to be satisfy. Who else besides John Bolton?

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                  Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  His word against Trump's word... Perhaps Bolton has others that witnessed some of his allegations. If not it's at a stalemate. Why would we take his word over Trump?  Seem's odd you are so willing to believe anything that suits your agenda.

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                     jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     John Bolton owes the American people an apology. He is the very poster boy for the swamp in DC. He has been in DC for many administrations and yet has very little accomplishments to show for. He should write a book about his own failing and why he was hired by Trump? who recommended him? what is his credentials?
                     Which foreign policies of the past did he supported? like the Iraq war where thousands of American soldiers died for nothing.

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                        Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        I agree with your analogy of Bolton. He wrote the book to make some cash. he was a swamp monster for a very long time, and he knew his time was over.

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                           crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           More analysis of Trump, from a Republican:
                           
                           "Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
                           
                           "When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
                           "It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."

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                              jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Wow, that is some diatribe.
                              If what you say is true, he must be an idiot, a dunce, a moron and incompetent to do anything and a corrupt individual...right?
                              
                              How do you explain all the accomplishments he did in 3.5 short years?
                              was it just luck? or he had help?
                              or he stumbled upon all these good fortune?
                              If you don't know of any accomplishments, then who is biased?
                              If you do, explain how that jives with your original assumptions of Trump?

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                              Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              He has my vote hands down. We have two to choose from only one, unfortunately, has a working brain. Sad choice, but once again a choice must be made... Trump 2020
                              
                              Oh, and he has not brought us socialism... and lots of silly...

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                              Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Crank,
                              
                              It's interesting how you left out the name of the person who said these things.  In is none other than Steve Schmidt
                              
                              Steve Schmidt is knowm by Republicans as a RINO (Republican in Name Only).  He's NEVER been a supporter of President Donald Trump.  He's attached to other RINO Republicans such as Lamar Alexander, Arnold Schwarzenegger as well as John McCain. 
                              
                              "a lifelong Republican. He worked for Lamar Alexander's 2000 presidential campaign. He worked on Capitol Hill for Republicans. He served as the communications director of the House GOP's campaign arm. He helped shepherd Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, to the California governorship. He managed McCain's campaign."
                              
                              https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics … index.html
                              
                              Steve Schmidt is the problem with Republican party.  He should simply start identifying himself as a Democrat, it would make more sense.
                              
                              As far as I'm concerned...nothing to see here.

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                     crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Why believe Bolton? Because his assessment is backed up by similar assessments of Trump from other people who have worked for him. It's called a preponderance of the evidence.
                     
                     If it was just Michael Cohen saying these things, I wouldn't give it much thought, but it's not just Cohen. It's everybody.

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                        Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Oh well, one vote. Brain over no-brain...Law and order over silliness. I stand with law and order.

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                     Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     SharleeO, I agreed completely, yet giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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            jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I am sure there is some truth to all these people...but then again every politician have made them gaffs. What about Joe Biden the king of gaffs?

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               crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Would you knowingly vote for a man who didn't know Finland was not part of Russia?

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                  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  That by itself does not disqualify anyone from being President.
                  Presidents have foreign policy advisors...
                  I vote for someone who is most qualified. Between Trump and Biden, it is not even close.

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                     crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     So you're voting for Biden? You may not agree with him, but he's clearly more qualified. I think a qualification is having at least a cursory knowledge of global politics and geography.

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                        Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Joe Biden is clearly senile. Plus his record in Washington shows he did nothing but collect his paycheck and pursue females with nice smelling hair. Although I guess one could call him a perfect puppet.  Feed him a line and hope he can get out a sentence or two that makes sense. It's discussing the Dems would even use him as a vessel of sorts. YUCK. I would think his wife would have enough respect for him to stop this kind of ploy.
                        
                        Qualified? You love to construct lists, please list some of Biden's accomplishments. Hey, the election will be here before we know it, time to promote some of Biden's accomplishments. Other than him obtaining high paying jobs for his son in China and Ukraine, etc...

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                           crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           What point would there be to posting that list? I can easily post 100 things Biden has worked on or done while being a politician. You would dismiss every one of them. I could also post 100 lies that Donald Trump has pushed. You would dismiss every one of them. Doesn't seem like a good use of my time.

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                              Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              I agree it would not be a good use of your time. His agenda is flowery and been around for 75 years. After much research, I could find not one accomplishment he has made in his time in Washington. Not one.And what about his mentation? Please read the link an article by one of your Bibles... It's a bleak synopsis of Joe's life and his lack of doing anything. he accomplished nothing.
                              
                              https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … ign-121422

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                     peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     hahaha. Get real Jack. You may expect a bit of general knowledge of the world if you want to go for President! Is that too much to ask for? If a president didn't know where Abuja lies, then ok, I can dig that. But Finland should be in the general knowledge of the world bag.

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                        crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        If you met a person on the street who told you that Finland was a part of Russia, you wouldn't think that person very smart.

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                           peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           It's a sad thing that you don't become one of the most powerful men/women on earth by intelligence or study. The only thing you really need is money and tons of it.

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                              crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              No kidding. Even the thing he's supposed to be good at, business, has been a failure. Without our bankruptcy laws, nobody would ever have heard of Donald Trump.

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                                 peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 Well, he was good at selling a book if I remember....The Art of the Deal or something....The Stange thing is that if he hadn't done anything at all with daddy's money he would have been much richer than he is today. So far for being a businessman.

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                        Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Peterstreep, if an American politician or presidential candidate cannot conform to their grass root, and mastered such, it makes no sense to think of countries and cities outside the United States. Their general knowledge should be about America. Look at it this way. It is China that is addressing her covid-19 problems and not America. But America, is lagging behind China in the same issue. I hope you got my point.

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                           peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorry, no I didn’t exactly understood the point you where trying to make. It’s about basic knowledge, like knowing a Christmas tree is a pine tree, or The UK is an island. To be the president of the US is a world job, so you should know something about it’s geography.

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                              Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Peterstreep, okay world georgraphy here. Abuja(very recent on the world map) as a city and capital of Nigeria. Okrika, Bonny, Brass, has been on the world map for nearly 800 years. Can any American presidential candidate locate these? They deal with America.

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                                 peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 There is a difference here. And you know it. First, the ties between the US and Europe are stronger, then the ties between the US and Africa. Secondly, Finland is a country, Abuja a city. I would forgive a president of the US if he didn't know where Helsinki was. But a country is a different thing. It's like saying Nigeria is a part of South-Africa.

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                              Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Peterstreep. I can understand you. Why not try to undestand mine? Okay basic world geoqgrphy. Abuja, a city and capital. This has been recently on the map. Okrika, Bonny, Brass has been on the world map for over 800 years. And America has deal with them for those years. Sorry if I am getting extreme. Can any American presidential candidates locate these?

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                                 peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 As I said, there is a difference between the name of a country and the name of a town. A president does not deal with towns or cities. A president deals with countries.

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                              Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Peterstreep, okay. Okrika. Bonny. Brass. Unlike Abuja, which is relative recent on the world map, these has been cite for 800 years. Can any American president candidate dig? Or Mali, Shanghai(not China), and Benin. I am sorry if I got you confuse.

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         Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Jackclee, politics aside. I can agreed with you.

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      peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      What do you think of these claims?
      
      Have you read the book? I think Bolton is a very intelligent man. And this is a super oversimplifying the book. I can't imagine Bolton saying "Trump thought Venezuela was part of the U.S. and thought invading it would be fun.". That's not how he talks. He is far more diplomatic than that.

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         Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Peterstreep, welcome home and thank you. Cranka, here good food over to you. And thanks too.

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         Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Peterstreep, I agreed. The man in the street knows how Trump talk. It is shame for Bolton to claim low for Trump.

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            peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I meant, Bolton is not talking like that, he is far more diplomatic than that. Trump has no diplomatic skills at all. Sorry for the misunderstanding

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Once again you post a list of unsubstantiated and unproven allegations about the President. This time from an employee who was fired due to not having the same vision for foreign policy. He is a well-known warmonger. He also had a long history of being let's say "let go" from one job after another. 
      
      He should be made to prove his allegations. It would seem to me if all this was true he should have come forward (as the Dems are now saying) and testified under oath at the impeachment fiasco.
      
      I certainly may have taken his allegations more seriously if he was under oath and under penalty of prosecution if he lied. But, he is a politician to smart to lie under oath...
      
      A tell-all book by a career politician that has been chased out of one job after another holds no credibility. In my opinion, he is a washed-up politician trying to make some cash on the way out. he was a wannabe, that just never made it in Washinton.
      
      But I realize it's good Gruel for some that like to sink their teeth into unproven accusations. Trump claims none of it is true. That leaves the ball in Bolton's court to prove it.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton

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         crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         You are very confused about what constitutes substantiation. If you are a primary source, then you are substantiating the claim. Bolton is relaying information about events where he was present. He is not relaying events as a secondary source.
         
         The essence of his claims are backed up by a mountain of similar claims from people also with first-hand knowledge of Trump's behavior: John Kelley, James Mattis, Rex Tillerson, Anthony Scaramucci, and many, many others.
         
         But your conclusion is that, to a person, they are all lying.
         
         I take it you are saying that they are all lying.

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            Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            No, I am in no way confused. Once again you post a list of unsubstantiated and unproven allegations about the President. Trump denies all of the allegations.  I was pretty clear in my thoughts.
            
            It's you that is very confused. One must prove allegations otherwise it's his word against Trump. If he has someone to verify his allegations it would certainly bode better for Bolton.
            
            I have heard the above persons make derogatory statements in regard to the president, none have verified Bolton's allegations.
            
            I have no reason to question any of that you made mention in regards to their personal opinion of the president's character.  But that was all that was shared opinions of his character. They certainly have a right to their opinions. And none of them made allegations as Bolton did.

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      peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I stumbled upon an interesting podcast about Bolton's book.
      How damaging is John Bolton's scathing account of Donald Trump's presidency?

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         Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         And yet he proceeded to get so many things done that other presidents could not find the guts to do.

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Sharlee0, it is true and characteristic of all presidents. Barak Obama did something George Bush would not do. "Change." No outgoing president can leave an office of no job to the incoming president. The office is dynamic.

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   These are unsubstantiated and unproven allegations from an employee who was fired.  I say take it with a grain of salt and nothing more.  I'm not gullible enough to believe such unproven things.
   
   Of course, the left did believe the Russian dossier...so I guess that says all that needs to be said.

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      crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      So you think they are all lies? Same thing with the allegations from James Mattis and John Kelley? At least those guys were military. Does that make their allegations more believable?
      
      Also, what would constitute substantiation for you? Another witness? A tape? Don't James Mattis and Kelley corroborate the nature of these allegations?

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         Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Crank,
         
         You are always reasonable.
         
         I dismiss this like I dismiss the women who accused Biden of sexual assault.  None of them pursued legal remedies, so it was just talk.
         
         James Mattis has a long history of having a war of words with President Donald Trump.  John Kelly is another former employee, chief of staff, who was fired.  Another disgruntled employee.  What is surprising about this?
         
         These are hardly unbiased sources.
         
         Most people can see the things contained in Bolton's book are designed to sell book.  Plain and simple. 
         
         If someone came forward with such allegations and, unlike Bolton, didn't have a financial benefit from making them...it may get attention.
         
         If someone came forward who did not have a long standing grudge against President Donald Trump such as James Mattis and John Kelly, it may get attention.
         
         If someone came forward who didn't benefit from these bogus accusations...it may get attention.  If more than one person came forward with documentation, a tape or more...it may get attention.
         
         There have been a Mount Everest of lies told about President Trump...this book appears to me to be just some more of the same. 
         
         So, right now, there is only a man fired from his job who is writing things to sell books and get back at his former employer.  There are people with personal grudges against President Donald Trump trying to validate it.
         
         So, as far as I'm concerned, it's much about nothing.

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            jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            You make some good points, but the bottom line is with all these people, why didn't they say anything while in office?
            Such hypocrites...
            There is no accountability in DC.
            It has been politicized to no end.
            Even the so called "whistleblower" has been bastardized.
            The whistleblower law was instituted to put a spotlight on corruption in high places.
            When used against Trump, it was contorted by those involved.
            Who can trust the system now?

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            crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            There is a mountain of evidence about President Trump, corroborated by many, many people.
            
            But what you are saying, Mike, is that any claim by any former employee of any person is a lie, even when that claim is corroborated by other people - if they are all former employees, then they have an axe to grind and are lying.

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               Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Crank,
               
               Can you provide any proof that these people actually corroborated Bolton's claims?
               
               I've not found any.

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Readmike, you're welcomed.

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      peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Mike, how do you know these are unproven allegations?
      If I look at Boltons record and the one of Trump, then for sure Trump's list of lies are longer then that of Bolton.
      Not that I like Bolton, not at all. Not that I trust him, not at all. But I'm sure that Bolton with his years of politics knows what he can say, and what he can't. And he is not stupid. So he won't claim things, he can't back up.
      
      The list of crankalicious is very simplistic, and I doubt Bolton would have said things this way. But well, Trump himself is also using simplistic language in his tweets. It's fashion I guess...

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         Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Like an attorney once told me "Just because you say it's so, doesn't make it so, I need proof."
         
         "So he won't claim things, he can't back up."
         
         I think this is a very naive statement.  I think it is obvious Bolton's motivation is to sell books. He's not going to try to back up anything he claims.  It wouldn't help him sell books.
         
         I know what lies people believe President Donald Trump have said but they are dwarfed by the mountain of lies told about him.

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            peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            If you need proof, I guess you have to read the book.
            Bolton doesn’t need to sell books, he has a massive income. The money he makes from the book is not on the scale of Game of Thrones or Harry Potter. I don't think money was the motivation for writing the book.
            And why wouldn’t backing up claims not helping his book sell?
            If you give a lecture about your book, you automatically back up the statements you’ve made in the book. Backing up claims helps selling the book.
            Yes of course there are more people telling lies about Donald Trump then Donald Trump is telling lies. That’s a mathematical fact. Just as there are more people eating fish and chips then Trump himself can eat fish and chips.

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               Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               "Bolton doesn’t need to sell books, he has a massive income."
               
               I guess you've never been around wealthy people.  Trust me when I tell you, there is no such thing in their minds as too much money or having enough money. 
               
               "If you give a lecture about your book, you automatically back up the statements you’ve made in the book."
               
               I don't necessarily agree with this at all.  Again, all we have is his interpretation of things.
               
               I do appreciate your response.

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                  peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Bolton is a strategist. And the reason for Bolton to write this book surely was not money. My guess is that writing this book was to discredit Trump, far more than making money. You can argue if you like this reason, but it's a more plausible reason then money to me.
                  I don't like Bolton, and for me, sacking Bolton was one of the best things Trump has done during his time in office.
                  And I haven't read the book, like most people here. So in a way, it's a pretty hot air discussion we are having here together. ;-)
                  
                  
                  I do appreciate your response.
                  Likewise, we may have our differences in opinion sometimes, but hack, that's the spice of life.

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                     jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Rush Limbaugh has a great take on all this...these Washington insiders who are against Trump.
                     His point, summarized here, is that Trump is an outsider who came from no where and without any political experience to speak of, won the Presidency in his first attempt. This is heresy in the eyes of all the politicians and pundits and consultants...talking heads.
                     They must stop Trump anyway they can for self preservation as a group.
                     Trump has exposed their corruption and more so their incompetence in getting any thing done. They have their protocols and double speak and it just hasn't worked well for America and average Americans.
                     If a Trump can be elected and accomplish things that were stagnant for decades, it makes them look really bad. Hence, they must make him a one term President so that no one else will attempt it again.
                     It is a cynical view but there is much truth to it.
                     The insiders, from both parties, have a great gig. They get paid and they pit Americans against each other every election cycle and they win regardless who is in power. These are "swamp" that Trump refers to.
                     They need to go so that America can be great again.

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               Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

               "If you need proof, I guess you have to read the book.
               Bolton doesn’t need to sell books, he has a passive income. "
               
               Our politicains earn small saleraies.
               
               Twenty-one White House employees tied for the highest salaries at $179,700. These staff members include Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs John R. Bolton.
               
               Out of all Bolton's jobs, his last provided the best salary.
               https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/29/these-a … house.html

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   Kenna McHughposted 4 years ago

   Did you read the book?

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Kenna, that's a good question. Reading the entire book is more important than copying an extract. I take it one should give the story the benefit of the doubt.

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      crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I know for a fact that if I read the book fully and provide my analysis, nobody who is a Trump supporter will care one iota.

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         Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Cranka, then who care for the brief submission here? Thanks.

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         Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         "I know for a fact that if I read the book fully and provide my analysis, nobody who is a Trump supporter will care one iota."
         
         I agree with you.
         
         I do believe the liberals would be very supportive and it may get quite a few hits on the internet.

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   emgeposted 4 years ago

   I don't know what to make of Bolton's book. I have not read it but a lot of salacious excerpts are doing the rounds. While there may be some element of truth in what Bolton rights but in some cases, it does look that the US President can't be that foolish. I will have to wait until I read the book myself.

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      jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      You are doing the right way. Knowing what I know about Trump, he is not a politician or someone who is skilled in diplomacy. He often say what is on his mind or make a joke or say something exaggerated...
      These officials are not used to that kind of candidness.
      They are judging Trump based on their past experiences...which may not apply here.
      The bottom line is Trump gets things done. For example, he said he was going to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and when he got into office, he did it. Over the objections of all experts of the MiddleEast.
      As it turned out, Trump was right and nothing bad happened...just a few protests quickly forgotten.
      That is thinking out of the box and trying a new direction. These diplomats and experts are inbred and accept the status quo and nothing gets accomplished and they seem to be satisfied...

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         Sychophantasticposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         You are so right! There is so much Trump has done to make our country great again. And he's recently noted that Obama committed treason. I wonder if Trump will be the first President to have his predecessor executed. Isn't that the punishment for treason?

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