Mayor Jonh Antaramian Trump Don't Come To Kenosha - Why?

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   Sharlee01posted 3 years ago

   
   and President Trump announced he will be traveling to Kenosha, Wis. on Tuesday to survey the damage from last week's protests in response to the police shooting of Jacob Blake. Yesterday the city's Democratic mayor, John Antaramian put out a statement ---
   
   "Realistically, from our perspective, our preference would have been for him not to be coming at this point,"  "All presidents are always welcome and campaign issues are always going on. But it would have been, I think, better had he waited to have for another time to come."
   
   Law and order has emerged as a dominant theme of his reelection bid as of last week when the President spoke loudly about it throughout the RNC convention. The President from the night Geoge Floyd died at the hands of the police has been denouncing police brutality as well as the riots that have proceeded to last all summer in Democrat cities. He has offered help from the Federal Government, from the first riots that occurred, and almost daily reiterates that the Government is on the side of bringing peace to the communities that have had to live with the violence and the aftermath that the violence that is left in its wake.
   
   What is also clear the media, as well as Joe Biden, have only as of last week due to the spotlight that was put on the violence at the RNC convention has now come out to try to turn the tables on President Trump. Claiming he set the stage, the temperature for the unrest and violence... Up until last week, the subject of the riots was passed over as peaceful protests or blaming rightwing groups for causing unrest and violence.
   
   The fact is Joe Biden, failed to address "rioters and criminals spreading mayhem in Democrat-run cities. Until now, until the Democratic party have realized President Trump has exposed the facts---
   
   The President has stated he is going to Kenosha to show support to the citizens, and law enforcement.  The Democratic  Mayor of Kenosha is clearly in my opinion politicking, not thinking of the people of Kenosha, but of the upcoming election. What may appear to some of the citizens as a caring president coming to support American's in crisis?
   
   The Dems have had years and a few Democratic Presidents to make things better when it comes to making changes in law enforcement in these Democratic cities. They have and have had the power to make a change, and facts show have not... It's not up to the president for how individual state Governors and Mayor's to change police policying policies.  That's the job of the folks that citizens have voted in.  It has become very clear many of the cities that are experiencing violence today, are Democratic cities. So, I ask, why at this point in so many years are BLM and many black citizens blaming the current president for the horrible unrest, the unrest that has been around for many years?
   
   Perhaps it's time to start looking at why the problems of law enforcement still exist in the Democratic cities.  Maybe even stop blaming anyone else but whose fault it is that changes have not been made in law enforcement. The blame can factually be directed at the  GOVERNORS and MAYORS of your cities... The very ones you blindly vote in time after time, after time. Seem you get exactly what you vote for. 
   
   To sum up -- In my view, the Democrats play a great blame game, very easily stirring up a good old uproar. This kind of ploy is on page one of their playbook.  However, they never put forth any solutions. That's on page two, razzle-dazzle em...    Alway, screaming at anyone other than themselves playing that good old dependable blame game. (page three)  And yes, they have been able to conduct this kind of politicking for many, many years --- now the only ones in an uproar are them. Trying to pull out all stop a president that has accomplished many things they have not and made it all look so easy. They dress Joe up in his little blue blazer set up the cameras and instruct him to blame Trump, and yes after 101 takes, and three months denounce the violence. Joe produces a statement. 
   
   The playbook is old, and it just does not provide the results it has in the past. Why? One word Trump.
   
   Thoughts---

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I continued to be endlessly annoyed at the Right as to their constant mention of "Democratic Controlled" cities.
      
      I thought that the concept was addled on it face and, you know, it is.
      
      According to this chart 35 of the largest 50 cities in the country have Democratic mayors. The largest 10 with 9 out of 10 mayors being Democratic.
      
      The conservatives are often intellectually dishonest and skew data for their own benefit, but once you look behind "the curtain" it all becomes perfectly clear.
      
      Diverse groups of people are more likely to be open minded progressive types and are more likely to live in LA over Mayberry, and they also tend to vote Democratic.
      
      Big cities by very definition are going to have bigger problems than small cities, is that not a reasonable deduction?
      
      When 70 to 75 percent of major urban areas have other than Republican mayors, then statistically speaking virtually all major cities out there have Democratic mayors, so the distinctions the GOP and Trump continue to make are bogus. Where you have GOP mayors, with the noted exception Miami, they are all relatively smaller Metropolises. What is Tulsa OK or Virginia Beach VA, when compared with Chicago, LA, New York or even Seattle?
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of … ted_States
      
      It is unfortunate that Trump is not welcome, a lot of it is for the same reason the Sioux Tribe said he was not welcome to visit there a month or two ago. He is seen as the behind the scenes support and fomenting entity regarding the issues at hand, as always. He would have a antagonistic and polarizing effect on at least one side of the tragedy in Kenosha.

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         Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Not sure President Trump is not welcome. I have not heard a word from the people of Kenosha. It will be interesting to see if his plane is met, and some do welcome him. He is the President of all Americans's not just the liberal-minded.
         
         I would assure you are not the only one that is "annoyed" at the fact that Democratic cities are being highlighted as they are...  They would rather not talk about it, as the media and Joe Biden did for many months now.   I have a view, you have yours. My view was put forward in a very clear way in my opening of this thread. And I can assure you there are many that share my view, more each day.
         
         Why did I point out the fact that the recent riots are taking place in Democrat-run cities? Because that is a fact, and I am discussing violent riots. I am not discussing  I am not considering any other cities, only the ones that are having problems right now... Have you noted a Republican city that we are having riots in this summer? I am not skewing the conversation, I am stating a fact. This summer we have riots in several Democrat cities, and they are being run by Mayors and Governors that for their own reasons do not want to restore law and order. I can't assume I know why?
         
         I realize it is true and historic that large cities have more violence, but it is also true they are Democratic cities.
         
         I can't even comprehend why anyone can justify this violence that has been occurring in these Democratic cities. I just heard Biden today say "it's your country president Trump your the president and we don't feel safe in your country..." No Joe, it's Democrats that don't feel safe this summer in their cities... The rest of us Joe, are doing fine, sitting it out watching and wondering about the Democrats that do live in these cities, and what they are really thinking about who they voted
         to represent them, and the fact their cities, are unsafe and have taken more economic turmoil. 
         
         Not so sure the Dems ploy to let these rioters run wild will work out too well for them at the polls.

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I am sure, Sharlee, that Trump will be welcome by all who support him and that will be adequate.
            
            I appreciate your view and no doubt that many have it, that is how Trump got elected in the first place. But, there are many that think as I do and seek a more moderate course.
            
            What is a Republican city? Is it one where the Mayor is Republican? What about city councils, etc. Mayors do not have absolute control over the municipal government.
            
            There are practically no major American cities that have a Republican Mayor. These incidents are associated with big cities and big city police departments. Republican mayors can be found in Mayberry, but can you imagine Barney Fife shooting a man 7 times in the back? Not a pretty thought picture.
            
            It is the large city itself that is the source of violence and contention, whether they have Democrat mayors or not is irrelevant. The GOP is conveniently off the hook because the kind of diverse urbane people that live in prominently metropolitan areas don't support Republicans generally.
            
            Living in Denver a few years ago, the Mayoralty was consistently filled with elected Democrat mayors for the thirty years that I was there. Colorado Springs is a backwater conservative town, considerably less populated than Denver metro and does not count.
            
            There has been riots but hardly a conflagration that the Conservatives would like to make this all appear. I need to check how many deaths were the result of the "riots" and who were actually responsible.
            
            There has been plenty of responsible voices from the Democratic Party that while supporting protests and free speech condemn rioting and the associated mayhem.

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         Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Annoyed or not it is factual.
         
         These Democrat Mayors (and some Governors) spurn help when Trump offers it.
         
         They ridicule him, openly espouse their distaste for him.
         
         They allow entire blocks of their cities to be taken over by rioters (Seattle is a prime example of how out of control some of these Democratic politicians have allowed things to get out of control, Portland is another prime example).
         
         These are Democrat politicians put in place by voters who often themselves have radical views of the world. 
         
         De Blasio, Mayor of NY, is another prime example.  First he ignores the virus even as Trump is cutting off travel from China, then he is shutting down his city and firing thousands of police officers as riots take hold of his streets.
         
         It is these Democrat Mayors that are making these decisions, and allowing what is going on... no one else.  Not Trump, not Republicans, Democrat Mayors and Councils in Democrat majority cities.
         
         
         
         Replace conservative with left-wing and I agree.  There is no more dishonest propaganda going right now than what we get from the likes of CNN and MSNBC that literally call riots peaceful, and understandable, and they are still pushing the Trump is a Russian conspirator story.

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            "These are Democrat politicians put in place by voters who often themselves have radical views of the world. "
            
            So true Ken
            Makes one wonder know that they have violence in their streets, do they feel the same? Are they going to be willing to stand for their convictions?  One never knows... All might be Rosey at the local coffee house until they realize one day it's not there, and feel lucky they were not there when the crowd burned it down. Reality can really be unpleasant.
            
            I think I hit a nerve with my post...  A fact that needed to be pointed out, way over due.

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            They spurn help because the Trump approach simply exacerbates the problem and the people on the front line at the municipal and state levels understand and are closer to the problem than Trump.
            
            If it is not your view, Ken does it become "radical"?
            
            As for your last paragraph, let's not forget Fox.....
            
            What makes you continue to believe that Trump is a pure as wind driven snow?

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               Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               What is "the Trump approach"?
               
               What does Trump being less than perfect have to do with lies being made by the likes of CNN and MSNBC, where they say they have proof that Trump is a traitor and Russian puppet?
               
               Where CNN and MSNBC say rioters are "peaceful protesters" and looting and assaulting others is "understandable and acceptable"?
               
               Where is Tulsi Gabbard?
               
               Where is Elizabeth Warren?
               
               Where are the people who stood for change, that had a track record that proved they would really fight for what they believed in?
               
               They have been cast aside or silenced.
               
               What you have, what you are supporting is one step worse than Trump.
               
               You are supporting the corrupt cabal, the corporate stooges and foreign sell-outs that could care less about the American people and have proven that with their ACTIONS for the last 30 years as they have allowed our Industrial Base to be wiped out, our Medical costs to skyrocket as they support Insurance and Big Pharma and give us the ACA which only doubled everyone's costs that was forced to use it.
               
               That's all that Biden and Harris truly represent... a return back to the terrible trade deals and policies that made Trump so appealing to so many in the first place.
               
               Vote Trump... break the cabal of corruption once and for all... get these relics of traitorous intent out of DC for good.... the likes of Pelosi and Biden need to be swept out of DC forever in order for new ideas and new voices to take hold in the Democratic Party.

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  +1

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         GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I will trust your "cities" research Cred, and just ask a couple seat-of-the-pants' questions that I think bear on you implied conclusions.
         
         If true that larger cities have more diverse, (your implication seems to be more progressive-leaning), populations, would that also equate to larger poor populations? If so, would those larger poor populations be more progressive-leaning, (aka Democrats), in favor of support programs, (welfare, etc.)?
         
         If larger cities' problems are larger, how does that equate to a lack of solutions? It seems to me it just means the problems are harder to tackle, but not that they are insurmountable. Do you see evidence that the leaders of these larger cities have tried new and larger solutions? My thought is that they have just pandered to their populations in order to get elected, (or re-elected).
         
         Do any of the remaining 15 largest cities with Republican leaders have the same currently-topical problems that the Democrat-led cities have? I haven't looked, so that is not a rhetorical question.
         
         Does your research show any of the largest cities trying the solutions that appear to be working for smaller cities?
         
         Have you checked to see if there are any 'tax-base' comparisons between the large and small cities? My perception is that the larger cities have a larger citizen tax burden—so they appear to be getting more per capita money to work on their problems. If that is true, then wouldn't that make solutions to those "larger problems" more attainable—if proper solutions were tried, instead of the same ol' same ol' throw money at it' solutions?
         
         There are more questions about your perspective of this problem, but I think those few are enough to contradict your thought that the charge is just an "addled" Conservative claim.
         
         GA

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            GA,
            
            Well i still think that the idea of associating municipal strife with Democratic mayors is simplistic and for the most part a red herring.
            Without getting into a lot more depth, it was easy to dismiss this endless conservative assertion.
            
            It is not just about poor people in urban areas, there are plenty of examples of rural poverty and destitution.
            
            Look at the National Democratic Party, far more culturally diverse than the relatively homogeneous GOP. There no reason to believe that a microcosm such as a large municipal area would not reflect such populations and subsequently, party affiliation.
            
            We may both have to dig deeper.....
            
            Yes, you are right, while the problems may not be insurmountable they are still much more challenging than that of smaller cities. Who can compare Chicago with a Tulsa, OK, in regard to municipal problems?
            
            I can't speak to any specific efforts of any large municipal mayoralty, but pandering is not new and Democratic mayors are not the first to have invented this in the political milieu. 
            
            The thing is that where Republicans are mayors amounts to considerably smaller cities and towns, so we compare apples and oranges. If I want to compare this in all fairness, the only GOP run mayorship in a comparably large city may be in either San Diego and Miami.
            
            This has delved into questions that I did not anticipate the need to answer. I just refute the simplistic as knowing any rational explanation for violent confrontation in our major cities is more involved than just the fact they have a Democrat as mayor.

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               Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan continues to be lambasted for a June 11 interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo, during which she suggested the occupied protest around the city’s east police precinct could simply be a “summer of love.”
               
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               After being tear-gassed when he joined a crowd protesting police brutality, the mayor of Portland said he “saw nothing that provoked this response” – even as rioters set the federal courthouse ablaze.
               
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               Mayor Bill de Blasio cuts $1B from New York City police budget for 2021 following coronavirus and BLM protests
               
               The cuts were described as not going far enough by some activists, and come in the face of calls to defund the police.
               
               The cutbacks have already begun, with hundreds of force reductions and the cancellation of the July class of more than 1,000 new recruits.
               
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               These people don't belong running cities, they don't belong running anything of any importance at all, they are complete idiots allowing for the destruction of their cities.  And they are Democrats... one and all.

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Probably installed by THEM.

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      IslandBitesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That Kool-Aid was strong.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Is Trump an evil force in your mind, IslandBites?
         Could you explain why?

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            IslandBitesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            "An evil force"?
            
            No.

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Then what sort of a force/influence? Why the hate?

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                  IslandBitesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  A negative one. And I dont hate Trump.

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     why negative?

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Always a few words meant to bait. But the bait is old, dead. And just does not get a response. Hopefully, you don't jump on the bait. Hopefully, keep the thread open to discussion. I don't think we will have many debates on the  "summer of love". It's just not really debatable.

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         Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Always a couple of silly words. Why bother posting? no really...

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

   THEY are behind it.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

   Is Trump good or bad in your mind, Credence?
   Are his intentions for the life of this nation and the people, or for the death of this nation and the people?

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I would say that Trump is inadequate as President.
      
      I really don't know what his intentions are, it depends on what your idea of the life of the nation is.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

   ... debating and discussing as opposed to commenting.
   A forum is for the purpose of debating/discussing only.
   Not for standing on soap boxes and spouting, (as I am guilty of.)
   Not baiting
   Not insulting
   Not trolling
   
   Okay.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

   In the interest of discussing and debating, I believe that the hatred of Trump is the root cause of the downfall of the nation. It is being inspired by forces outside of the United States. I suspect the globalists, which by now, is regarded as a conspiracy theory.
   
   So to discuss, how accurate is this accusation/suspicion. Perhaps it is not a conspiracy theory, but a reality which we must deal with. How can we deal with such a force which apparently is backed by a huge amount of money and therefore power.
   
   If this force wants our demise so they can take over, Hatred of Trump is their means. Is this a reasonable idea and suspicion or not?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Why else would Trump be unwelcome to FIX things in Kenosha, Wisconsin? You yourself said, "In one word, Trump."
      How can we be so stupid as to fall for hatred of Trump,
      I wonder.

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