Would a Trump Presidency Be an Embarrassment for the United States and the Republican Party?
Trump has been a Democrat most of his life. He brags that he can buy politicians, having given millions to Hillary's campaign and well as her Foundation. He scammed thousands of people out of millions of dollars through Trump University. The UK can't stand him. Muslims despise him. Blacks don't trust him. Most of his voters are blue collar, White Democrats and Independents with whom he has apparently touched a nerve (They feel disenfranchised) His lack of knowledge about foreign policy, and most policies for that matter is next to nil. But people defend him. Why?
Yes it would be. I hope the Republican have to play the hand they dealt themselves after allowing bad players in their game . The World will want a Democrat.
Full disclosure: I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a Republican.
An embarrassment? Maybe. I still don't think Trump is what he says he is. He's a socially liberal, somewhat economic conservative who is a little short of foreign policy gravitas. Unfortunately, race has become a central issue because of his immigration statements. That's an embarrassment.
Although I don't think they are the primary driver of his campaign, the media has certainly played a part in it. Trump-Hillary is a dream matchup; a political MMA for the ages. It's entertainment. All they need is a weigh-in HRC will be portrayed as a grandma and Trump as the misogynist playing to the old white guy voter.
Trump is a bad player so is Cruz trump is more Independent than Bernie The only Democrat in the race now is Hillary The World knows she should win but, the World can't vote for her. After what the POTUS dealt with the last 7 years she is fearless.
Both parties have failed the country from the 70s till now. What is the purpose of having the Hatfield and McCoys be our congress. If congress was a game, it would be tic tac toe, and that game can't be won.
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A Trump Presidency, an Embarrassment for the United States? Well let's look at exactly what that could mean. I mean what does it take to embarrass this country? Obama's failed presidency? Could any presidency be as much of an embarrassment to the US than President Obama? Forget the myriad of embarrassments he has provided from bowing to dictators to President Obama's salute with a latte in his hand, incredibly disrespectful to the Marines. hmmm, has he embarrassed the Democrat Party?
A common theme that runs through President Obama's statements is the idea the United States must atone for its past policies. President Obama has sought to apologize for the actions of his own country when addressing a foreign audience. The President has already apologized for this country to nearly 3 billion people across Europe, the Muslim world, and the Americas.
The 10 most significant apologies by the President of the United States in his first four months of office. (www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/ … superpower)
1. Apology to France and Europe ("America Has Shown Arrogance")
2. Apology to the Muslim World ("We Have Not Been Perfect")
3. Apology to the Summit of the Americas ("At Times We Sought to Dictate Our Terms")
4. Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders ("Some Restoration of America's Standing in the World")
5. Apology for the War on Terror ("We Went off Course")
6. Apology for Guantanamo in France ("Sacrificing Your Values")
7. Apology before the Turkish Parliament ("Our Own Darker Periods in Our History")
8. Apology for U.S. Policy toward the Americas ("The United States Has Not Pursued and Sustained Engagement with Our Neighbors")
9. Apology for the Mistakes of the CIA ("Potentially We've Made Some Mistakes")
10. Apology for Guantanamo in Washington ("A Rallying Cry for Our Enemies")
Does anyone think Trump would go on an apology tour to the world?
Just what can anyone imagine Trump could do that would be anywhere near as embarrassing as the Obama presidency? My point is sane people are sick of the double standards, the lies, and the cover ups, all compliments of the Democrat party. We know how and why they want to embarrass the United States and although Trump isn't my pick for president, I can't imagine anything he could do or would do that could be even close to the embarrassment this country has suffered under President Obama, sHrilLIARy Clinton and the rest of the Democrat cabal. You can thank President Obama for giving us Donald Trump. Just electing sHrilLIARy would be the greatest embarrassment imaginable.
A little perspective is in order to answer this (I might add, very good) question, don't you think?
The most recent national poll shows Hiliary and Trump a toss up.You can't put trust in polls this far out from the election especially while a primary is still underway. January 1980 Carter led Reagan by 30 pts, Carter still up by 8 in May.
We can thank the Tea Party and the obstruction of the Republican majority in the house and senate for Donald and Ted. Not one of the ten out of context group of words spoken by President Obama were an apology or an embarrassment they were facts.
Come on, the democrats did the same thing when they were the minority group in congress. Neither party has moved the country forward, and their Hatfield vs McCoy rivalry put the US in decline since the 70s, it continues today. History is proof
Junko,as I said,sane people are sick of the double standards,the lies,& the cover ups,all compliments of the Democrat party. Read the article(link I provided)those ten apologies came from, it explains what an embarrassment Obama has been
TSAD you come on and meet me half way Democrats have never disrespected and embarrassed a Republican President in Washington and on the world stage since 1970 as Republicans has done Obama. History is proof we agree. Bush was the Commander and Chief
Junko I don't know where you've been?Dems have never disrespected a Republican Pres?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WJ03isLxjk. As far as Obama disrespect is concerned, THAT IS when it should be said they were just pointing out the facts.
TSAD Dems nor REP has ever been so disrespected on the world stage blame it on the internet and new tech Obama's treatment was as unique to US politics as US Slavery was to the world stage compared to the World History of Slavery Not to mention Racis
Republicans are just as controversial in the office as Democrats are; and each president - no matter which side they are on - bring their own embarrassments, depending. Some have been more embarrassing than others. Boy Bush far out-Trumps anyone.
Bush isn't president Catherine - deflecting from Obama the failure again? What's up TSAD....
Obama is an embarrassment. I just don't see how anyone with any sense could defend him anymore. He doesn't even hide what he is anymore and we will never recover from this president I feel sure! Really what hope is there but a businessman?
Tsad. A valid list of bloopers by BHO, my fine Sir. You have paid attention. This may be only scratching the surface & he still has time to disgrace us further. Amazing, isn't it?
Trump is brilliant , he has played the media to giving him more air time then any other person running. I would rather have better choices but if its Trump vs Hillary, it has to be Trump. Plus his ego is so big he won't allow himself to fail
Hi Patrick, No one is really sure what to expect with Trump, but you make an interesting point about his ego not allowing him to fail. Thanks for commenting.
Patrick,I tend to agree with u but Trump's big ego can only make him"try"to not allow himself to fail. When ego's overrule sound intellect&sound judgement bad things do happen.There is a saying "Pride goeth before the fall" for a reason
Right, Tsad. Also, a plethora of Trump businesses have failed miserably. But who knows, maybe he would find it embarrassing to fail in the White House. However, his huge ego has me worried. Just look at BHO, whose ego knows no bounds whatsoever.
I know, to claim ego as some sort of asset is playing with fire. Humility is a foundation for character, Ego not so much.Humility goeth before the fall? Never heard of that phrase!
T, I saw a video by Andew Klaven about Obama's apologizing, and it is hilarious. "America does not apologize," it is called. On Youtube. BTW, I love your meme!!! Hilarious!
Yes, but not as much as Ted Cruz--the party's true lunatic. Like all celebrities Trump has a stage persona and a private life. He's obviously got the pulse of what followers in his party want to hear. Because he's a climate change denier (he says), I can't support him. Aside from that, I think the press and the population are focusing too much on his more-sensational and offensive rhetoric than on other things he says he'll do as president in terms of infrastructure improvements. The plans he mentioned on high-speed rail alone are groundbreaking. And as far as his offensive comments go, actions speak louder than words. Presidents and presidential candidates all do the offensive things Trump talks about why coyly paying lip service to the public. People don't trust politicians anymore. At least with Trump people have an idea of what they are getting.
Because he's become the embodiment of opposition to the authoritarian left which seeks to create a victimhood hierarchy that is an inverse of the 1950s social one in the name of fairness, the social justice warriors adamantly opposed to freedom of speech and belief, people who scream the science is settled while altering data to fit their narrative and promotion of narrative as more important than obvious reality.
Social justice warrior "narratives" trumping both facts and logic are also a PR campaign, backed by religious-degree of fervor
Speaky Ingy, Tamara.....what are you saying?? Are you a Trump supporter? He won't make good on any of his promises, because that is not what he does. Talk is cheap.
Cruz is about finished - maybe Trump will put him on the Supreme Court and his Constitutional understanding will benefit the nation for decades
Misfit...it is clear the Twerpie Generation who lived their lives in Daycare know believe they are the Founts of all Knowledge. Savvydating is a perfect example of someone who knows so very little.
I've lived with The Donald in the Media for 3 decades because in the NY/NJ Metro area, never a day goes by when he isn't mugging for cameras. Don't try to tell me who and what The Donald is. Taxpayers foot the bill for his defunct casinos. FinCEN?
Ewent, you excel at leveling personal insults at people posting here. How come? You're a grown up (I presume), so these insults are unnecessary and they take away from whatever it is you're trying to say.
The only reason some tender little shoots can't handle the truth is because truth IS an insult to their less than genuine natures. Sorry but I know what I am saying about Donald Trump. I also know why some on this thread dish it out but can't take it
Shirley Pogue, I dreamed of you last night. You were killed in a car accident. In fact , you were decapitated. Dr Mapipa came and sewed your head back on. Unfortunately you were still very dead.
Yes. A lot of people want Trump based on his honesty, but his opinion and beliefs are terrible! Having someone who is an awful businessman, a racist and sexist representing the United States is definitely an embarrassment to all of us.
Hi Ben. Problem is, people mistake his non-politically correct stance as honesty, but Trump has a history of deceit. Just Google Trump's lies, Trump Univetdity, Trump taxes. You will see.
Exactly! People love his "honesty", but he just appealing to the demographic. I certainly don't believe him, but sadly, a lot of people do
I'm doing my best to encourage people to look at his business record. Trump has scammed so very many people out of millions! It's incredible to me that his voters are fine with overlooking these things about him. Yep, he knows how to market himself.
I can see you are fully plugged in to what the media (AKA Propaganda) tells you. Try doing your own research, even check out a couple old youtube videos of Trump if nothing else... maybe it will give you some idea of who he really is.
Plugged into the leftist media? I don't think so. I've left a number of links throughout. Take a look at them, Ken. I've done my research. Trump is doing well because he has plugged into the anger of white Americans who are not concerned about policy
Try googling Trump Successes and get the other side of the opinion scale - yes, success is an opinionated world. Try googling Obama failures and you'll get a list miles long.
Only time will tell! Nobody really knows the answer to this.
I don't know about the embarrassment part. What I do know is that I don't trust this clown. Yes, I said clown. He's been a successful business man, but that doesn't mean he'd be a good president. Many things he's said are just un-freakin' believable. Unbelievable in part because, like it or not, there is some degree of decency expected, some degree of respect for others, and Donald doesn't demonstrate these things. I don't believe Trump understands the seriousness of the office he's vying for. Most of the others that have run or are running this time around do, I think, understand it. I voted for Cruz in the primary, but now I see that was a mistake. In the fall, my vote will go to some deserving third party candidate - someone who has nothing to do with either of the 2 major partys. I say let them all FRY.
Good answer. But is a third party realistic? Why not the other two? There's something to be said for being a Super-lawyer (Cruz) since they're peer reviewed. And what about Kasich's positive record in Ohio, and his stance against Planned Parenthood?
Hx,u may be right about Trump,then u may be wrong.BUT WE KNOW Democrats hold NO"degree of decency"for the office,forget Obama,look at howSlickWillie revered?the oval office&Hiliary's motto"whoever lies most wins."Wish a 3rd party could win.
Hxprof is right. Trump is a vulgar man. Vulgarity is unacceptable in anyone, particularly someone who wishes to become the President of our great nation. Never mind the Democrats. They are no excuse for our choosing a "clown" as Commander in Chief.
No, a third party isn't realistic. However, I refuse to choose between bad and bad...I've had it. I voted for Cruz in the primary, but I see now that was a mistake. Kasich is a RINO, a moderate left of center establishment stooge.
Agreed,Trump is all that,but it's obvious only he has a path to 1237 delegates.If not hopefully his nomination can be avoided but if he wins I'd gladly bet on the chance he(who is anti-establishment) won't be as bad as a Hiliary presidency.
TSAD, I'm betting that a Trump presidency will be just as bad as a Clinton presidency, but for far different reasons. Anyway, I'll not choose between bad and bad again; that's part of how we got to where we are.
Hxprof, I don't think Kasich is a RINO. Every time he gets bad press, I do some research, only to find nothing to corroborate that title. I don't see him as a stooge at all, frankly.
Well, I see that some of his ideas are good ideas, BUT, his ties to Washington establishment will get in the way of what he says he wants to accomplish. Besides that, he's an absolute wimp on the border and illegal immigration.
HX, Kasich knows it is not realistic to round up 11 million people and send them back. His sounder solution is to have them register and pay a fine, rather than break up 2-3 generations, plus he does want to seal the border & send those people aw
Savvy: Rubio had the same kind of thinking that John does, and that's why I didn't vote for him. Both Trump and Cruz have hit the nail on the head, IMO, when it comes to illegal immigration and securing the border. Sadly, I won't vote for either.
Now that's an excellent job for Trump. A clown at a circus. I think Trump would make a very funny clown! He's fully qualified. He does not even need a red nose. ROFL!
Why do R's want to fight a woman's right to choose or to deny birth control to them? Men shouldn't be interfering in family matters, but they need viagra.. A choice of abortion is not easy, women have been doing it all thru history.
I only mentioned Planned Parenthood because Hx called Kasich a RINO, which he is not.
I think the very saddest thing is he is no worse than the rest. As you, I used to be a Democrat until they started destroying our country. Hillary really should be in jail (although most are sure the famous czar we have in power now will pardon her) and there is the possibility she could still end up there so why would even those who can't help but believe the liar who let four Americans die waste their vote on her? Deceit? She is the top of that list they all are on!
So really it is only Trump and Cruz to choose from and although Carly makes him look better I really think the American people do not want anyone out of Washington to be in office!
Yes Trump could be an embarrassment but if he really does what he says he will, who cares! We are most so tired of political correctness and he is saying what so many of us think, that is why he is getting by with his coarse ways! They are none perfect but if he will give us what we want we can overlook manners! We want our country back and we want murderers we are supporting out of it. Obama administration (with Hillary at his back & would continue) has been responsible for the release of over 70,000 illegal criminals in this country! Why would a president do that? He is out to destroy us, we know it and we know Hillary is no better and would sell us to the highest bidder!
Would Cruz do all Trump has promised? Trump is an embarrassment sometimes but many have hope in him being the only salvation for a country most Democrats can't even admit is going under without a life jacket!
Jackie, that's a pretty big risk. Trump lies as often as Hillary. Google Trump's lies. And don't forget that he's a scammer. (see Trump University) Just because he's "outside" doesn't make him safer. Plus, he has no clue about foreign policy, etc
I think he would have those near him as all new Presidents to lead him how to do things and if he doesn't bring his own pen as Obama did and Hillary has promised to do then he can't be anything but an improvement.
Jackie, I would love to share your optimism, but Trump's business practices have come into question for good reason. He's in litigation now because he scammed millions of dollars out of people through Trump "University" among other things.
If all presidents are liars and tend to do the opposite of what they claimed they would, should we try electing someone who is honest and claims they will make things worse? What is insanity again?
Jackie - Trump has voters who haven't voted in years (10% of his at one count) for the very reasons you have stated, i.e. "things couldn't get worse, so let's take a chance on a change for the better." Trump is more than the "Washington Post"' admits
Jackie, that would mean you left the Democratic Party prior to 1968, when they still had power to affect change w/o help of Rs. (Back then a reasonable part of Rs were still fromParty of Lincoln. Now they are all Ds) (Trump IS embarrassing us Now)
I don't believe Trump would be anymore of an embarrassment than any of the other candidates running for office. I believe he is a brash, arrogant, in-your-face guy who may be just what this country needs to shake up the status quo. So many people are sick of the good old boys in Washington... Democrats and Republicans alike! He may be lacking in foreign diplomacy (and tact) but I do think that he is an excellent businessman AND this country needs to be run like a business in order to prosper.
What's really worse? A loud-mouth but experienced businessman with countless connections to both politics and business OR an experienced politician (Hillary) who continues to lie to the American people day in and day out in addition to compromising our country's security at the highest level?
Trump has played hard ball with his own businesses and, while he has had flops, he obviously knows how to make money and influence people or he wouldn't be where he is today. Hillary is gambling time and time again with the safety and well-being of our servicemen and our country!! I'm not sure how she can even be running for the highest office in our country when she is still under federal investigation for her absolutely horrifying breech of national security! She may be the more politically savvy of the two but I would not vote for her if she was the ONLY candidate running.... ever!
Sandi, the problem is, Trump is a male Hillary. He's a scammer. There are much more decent, reputable businessmen out there. He isn't one of them. He has lied repeatedly. Here is one of many examples:
Sandi, I've watched Trump from the beginning, and he's always come across as a loose cannon. I'm sick of the Washington scum also, but this guy will bring woe upon us....he's no better than Hillary.
In fact, Trump has praised Hillary and has contributed money toward Pelosi. He's admits to his alignment with the Democratic platform. Here's an interview:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles … ocrat.html
This is something I've pointed out to friends of mine that are pro-Trump...he's an opportunist, not a conservative - he holds many liberal positions. Yes, he's an outsider, BUT, if he's a loser of an outsider (and he is) then were asking for trouble
Absolutely, Hxprof. All the red flags were there for Obama as well, yet most everyone ignored his history. And now the Republicans, who should know better, are doing the same thing with Donald. We're just asking for trouble. Drives me crazy.
An old saying... "politics makes strange bedfellows"!!!...and they don't get much stranger than what we are now seeing in our country. Sad but true!!
All politicians lie thru their teeth to our faces every day. The GOP is as guilty as Dems. If Trump can learn NOT to be so damn spontaneous with his mouth, he might do okay. At least Hillary knows how to do the dance. Trump may alientate us, more.
Stating that all politicians lie is a cop-out. The truth is that some politicians are better than others, while some, like Hillary and Trump, are thoroughly corrupt. We know these things from studying their history.
Its a cop-out? LoL! I'd guess that you somehow have more faith in politicians than I do. Then again, I'm one of those people who has pretty much lost faith in everything. Glad to see some people still have some.
Savvy - tell us all the about Trump's history of corruptness in politics....
I have, RJ., but you don't bother to read the factual, historical evidence I have provided numerous times. Not surprising, as that is what you always do.
Sandi, Trump already is worse, by an order of Magnitude and getting worse.
Turmp is an unpredictable wild card who is already a worldwide embarrassment to the United States. Cruz is also an embarrassment to the United States who, predictably, would result in disaster for our country.
He has already been an embarrassment for the United States and the Republican Party - its a little scary; but I think the entire situation is a sign of the times. Our entire society is sick and deeply divided - and is it my imagination, or has it all gotten so much worse since the information age took hold? I mean, there were divisions and heated debates, before - it just seems like things are so much more heated and hyped, now.
I think it would be an embarrassment - for all of us, because we let things get this far and didn't start acting like a nation of responsible grownups, earlier.
I agree. That being said, Obama's whining has taken race relations back a good 20 years, hence the rise of Trump who appeals to angry white voters fed up with having their hands are tied behind their backs. But Trump hasn't the finesse to solve this.
Obama certainly hasn't helped, much. But, he is also in that office for the same reasons that Trump has the potential to get in there - basically because of previous political backlash of the former admin. I wish we didn't have political parties, ha!
Lol. Well, we are still a Republic. The people have more power than they know. I truly believe that. Problem is, we get lazy and blame others instead of taking the reins and driving our political machine.
I agree, we have more power than we know; and we can do so much more than we think - especially if we work together.
Working together is the challenge, isn't it? Here is a link for you or anyone interested in how the delegate process works. Our votes do count despite what some say.
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/lessons … llege.html
Trump will be President - like it or not. He might be unpolished as a politician, but Hillary's record will doom her.
What, exactly, does Bush have to do with any of this?
It's what they do---blame Bush for everything so that they can ignore the corrupt history behind the Clinton's and the current corruption of Obama---the smug president who would-be-King.
Bush is the designated whipping-boy & scapegoat.
Right. It's called not having to think or take personal responsibility. It's easier that way, isn't it. BTW, haven't you also blamed Bush??
The only thing I blame GWB for is orchestrating & covering up 9/11 with his evil-family members and Dick Cheney for their Zionistic masters in The Illuminati. He also knows BHO was born in Kenya just like Freemason Paul Ryan knows.
I think you made a smart article supporting Trump , sure gets a lot of attention . My Opinion to this question is, No one will ever be of a more Embarrassment as a leader as Trump .
I'm not supporting him, ella11. Rather, I am ringing the alarm bells.
That's the funny part Savvy... for many who despise Trump, anything that isn't flat out rude and derogatory comments against him they think is for him. There are some scary people in the world. But Trump really isn't one of them.
Trump has a certain brilliance of tapping into people'e emotions. But haven't some other politicians who ended up doing no good - not going to name names. He is easy to like and support. But be cautious - you have been warned.
Exactly the opposite - Trump is a genius who cares about America. The establishment (both sides) care about themselves. His foreign policy speeches were excellent. His immigration policy excellent. His "take charge" attitude reminds me of Ike. Progressivism and Liberalism are killing this nation. Globalism is destroying our sovereignty. President Trump will make people accountable and he'll clean house with the bloodsuckers taking our government for a ride. Haters gonna hate, but the gravy train stops here.
Trump's latest foreign policy speech was naive, but at least he didn't move his eyes too much when he read from the TelePrompTer. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/analyzin … cy-speech/
That's all you got? A Teleprompter rip? Look around, even people in the GOP who loathe Trump said it was a good pair of speeches.
False. I supplied a link. Foreign policy experts unequivocally state that his speeches on foreign policy are naive. Trump does not understand foreign policy at all.
I am trying to reply but I can't get back up onto my chair. Just laughing far too hard at the moment. Ha...
If he's a genius, he is a pretty irresponsible one. He was forced to close the Taj in NJ due to that FinCEN lawsuit of $2 million for laundering money to terrorists, leaving thousands unemployed and businesses in AC closing. So please..enough BS.
I, as a European, hold Ike in memory with affection. I take issue with this comparing him with the likes of Trump. Ike was a strong and Honorable Man. Upstanding, Caring Individual. Trump would not be fit to kiss the ground Ike walked on.
While I have come to recently disagree with many of Ike's foreign policy decisions, you are nevertheless absolutely right, John.
Trump is not just a bull in a china shop, he is a cannonball that's just been launched.
Wait until he ends up cutting off your Social Security and Medicare, which he will probably do. But, you don't want to be on the gravy train, anyway.
It's all due to the reptilian part of the brain which likes to give into the very lowest of "standards" simply because it's easy. It's the part that finds violence/bullying/porn appealing. It likes to kill. It doesn't have a conscience.
The reptilian brain wants to eat it's own species, take first place all the time at the feeding trough, takes down anyone it can, likes to roll in it's own feces and generally feed it's ego at the expense of everyone else.
Having such a "lizard" as president would certainly be a huge embarrassment to the USA.
It also reveals a fundamental philosophical clash between ultra conservatives and reality. For example, climate change can't be real because it doesn't make corporations money. Example two, races can't be equal so it's OK to destroy others etc.
Interestingly it also reveals the moral "poverty of big money" because big money does not bring wisdom; it brings the opposite torpor of gross stupidity. "He must be smart look how rich he is!" Look at Bernie Madoff who was once hailed an economic genius.
The higher (human) brain is the part interested in ideals, love and compassion.
No he would not be the biggest embarrassment this country has ever had in the white house. Andrew Johnson only had a 3rd grade education before taking over. He was racist, democrat, and pro slavery right after the civil war. He was so disliked that the radical republicans tried to impeach him were only one vote shy. He weaken the presedency for probably 50 years after words.
Trump is a bit boorish and riding a cult of personality but he isen't the worst person to have ever seek that office.
Jackson studied law, and became a lawyer. Your synopsis has some inaccuracies. In any event, the point is that nominating "someone who is not as bad" is not a good justification for looking the other way...
I said Johnson not Jackson, Johnson followed Lincoln after the civil war
savvydating...Do yourself a favor. Stop threatening me. I don't fall for that bullying. Nothing I have posted is untrue. Or, is that why you started this thread to support some back room right wing agenda?
Another false statement, Eleanor. I did not threaten you. I told you what the rules are at HP, and that I have flagged you. That is the truth. I may delete this comment after a time. Your broken record routine is getting old.
Funny how someone shows up name calling,blanketing populations of people with bigoted characterizations of them &then has the nerve to point a finger at you who merely states the facts. Leave her comments Savvy, so everyone "has her number"
Thank you, Tsad. I deleted one just now. It was the same old thing. We'll see. You think she'd appreciate the fact that I'm not a Trump fan. LOL.
Actually Ewent, savvy conspired with a few other of us right wingers to put up this question so that a collection of us right wingers would join in the fun. So, just as you say, it's a "back room right wing agenda". Say that 5 times really fast.
That savvydating has to "look up " Johnson speaks volumes of why it so many narrow minded righties are "ignernt" and why the better educated have no patience for such "ignernce."
As to their religious virtue, I don't buy it. The backward righties.
Actually Ewent a lot of Americans don't know the differences anymore it's sad that this country gotten that way. However you spreading hatred and being hateful does not convince people of your views. Do yourself a favor back off politics for a while
Well, we haven't got much of a choice, do we? Vote for a possible thief (Hillary) or would u rather have a communist who has invited Russia to hack into US emails?
The guy is a nutbar -> Going to rip up trade agreements with other countries because every one of them is a bad deal? Oh sweetie, hate to tell you this but you just pissed off and insulted every country that has a signed agreement with the US. That is no way to try to gain respect and create a working relationship with anyone. I think we learned that in kindergarten -> did you miss that class?
Not sure if you are referring to me as "sweetie" or Trump as "sweetie. I am clearly not a Trump supporter, as you can see from my numerous posts.
And that promise to rip up all these trade agreements & "force" other countries to give us better deals is an elementary school attitude. Further, Trump can't follow through! He'd have a shot at helping w/better attitude, but his attitude stink
Savvydating isn't very savvy about facts. She is a lover of ultra con rhetoric she cannot ever prove with legal documents verifying what she posts. Anyone can dredge up the mud she slings.
I think yes, it will be an embarrassment for the US and for the Republican Party. The whole world is eagerly waiting to see that who will get nomination from the Republican Party for the US President Election 2016. If it is Trump, it will be disastrous for the whole world. Already Pope said that he cannot be a Christian and the Muslim world will not welcome him warmly.
Right. He has to work with the Middle East. That's just the way it is.
Who cares if foreigners - especially militant Muslims don't like him? They hate America already due to Obamas meddling and the rise of the Brotherhood because Obama pulled our troops out
In a recent comment here, you suggested we should be isolationists. I was addressing that position of yours. It is common knowledge that good foreign policy entails working with nations. If we are distrusted by our allies, even more trouble arises.
Because he's says what most people want to say, but he would not be good for a president, no moral values.
And thieving Hillary would be better? Are you able to tell me why?
Nobody said Hillary would be better. Hillary failed as Secretary of State, as you well know. The point is that two wrong candidates are still two wrong candidates no matter how many excuses anyone makes for them.
That's it savvy, I hear this ALL the time..."well, it's either Trump or Clinton". Not for me. I'll vote so I can sleep at night - not voting for one of 2 unfit persons - my conscience will be clear when I vote 3rd party.
I hear you Hxprof. My conscience feels the same way. Trump is as much an "insider" as Hillary. In fact, his isolationist views are left of hers. A vote for him is basically a vote for her. I won't be a part of that.
Is he a representative of the voters? If that's how Americans think then what's wrong with it? Morality is not part of politics or leadership in the real world
Morality should be important. In fact, it is very important. You have just described what is wrong with Hillary and Trump. Maybe you would be hsppier living in Putin's Russia, where the people are repressed. Trump loves Putin, by the way.
Politics has become such a circus that I do not believe he would be an embarrassment to the United States. He is business-saavy and that is what politics has become - a business. Based on our choices for this up-coming election, we don't have a lot of good choices, but I will vote for him. Or write myself in. Not sure how that is going to end up.
Good answer - I agree we need to run America like a business instead of a charity
Yes, Trump knows how to go bankrupt with the best of them, after all he has lots of practice. Is that what he would do for America as well?
RS - what successful country has ever been run like a business? None,. bc it doesn't work that way.
My Eso,Lincoln went bankrupt,Ulysses S. Grant went bankrupt after leaving office,Thomas Jefferson filed bankruptcy several times & after leaving office,William McKinley went bankrupt as a gov'nr won WhiteHouse 3yrs later.DT's mean nothing
Yoda, it is not clear to me what your point is; but Jen implies that being business-savvy somehow makes Trump the better candidate ... it doesn't necessarily. My point is that business-savvy people don't go BK for strategic reasons, as Trump claims.
ME, if you don't get the point you are choosing to be blind because the point is plain as day to everyone. And his business savvy refers to his success not his use of bankruptcy so all you are doing is putting words in Jen's mouth.
Exactly how am I being "blind" Yoda? He is at best a hit-and-miss success as a real estate developer. I don't want a hit and miss President who would bankrupt America like he has with his own companies many times, destroying lives in process.
We are already nearly bankrupt thanks to the last president and "give everyone what they want politicians"! How about trying a non-politician for a change?
It would be different Demas if Trump actually knew how to lead a country or was at least willing 2 learn & 1 1/2 years of him insulting/lying his way through this election cycle has proven him a failure at both. Your Ma or Pa could do a better j
ME,How ar u choosing to be blind?Yoda's obvious point is many good presidents filed bankruptcy Lincoln,Grant,Jefferson,McKinley so the obvious point u choose 2 b blind 2 is bankruptcy isn't a measure of how good a president Trump might be.
It is not me being obtuse. See http://www.kansasjustice.com/bankruptcy … ankruptcy/
Trump says he is a brilliant business man yet he strategically went BK 4 times, Your examples went BK out of necessity.
Donald Trump is outspoken and sometimes abusive but people will still defend him because he is something different. They are tired of the politicians and all their lies. Donald Trump seems to answer to no one. He does not have experience in politics but he is a change.
That's why people fell for Obama---he promised change. The only difference is that Trump takes power through brashness whereas Obama is slick. Nevertheless, O. rode roughshod over Congress, effectively making himself King. Trump will do the same.
Will they also like it when he does to them what he did to all those employees he unemployed at the Taj Mahal in NJ? If you right wingers don't stop with your unsubstantiated garbage, all you do is make bigger fools of yourselves than you are.
Ewant, You have made at least a dozen comments here, mostly attacking me and trying to undermine my good name. Consider yourself flagged. All of your statements about me are false. That's called libel, and that's against the law.
savvydating...See folks? Disagree with the winger control freaks and they threaten you. Demand they prove what they post and they can't. Nothing enlightening on this threads. Just a bunch of Haterade alkies.
A Trump presidency would be a complete and total disaster. That is, in fact, the plan.
The plan?Maybe,but how would a businessman who spent his life making deals,deals that benefit&promote him primarily,benefit from making himself the embarrassment of a nation,a legacy of"disaster"as president?His plan?I doubt that very much.
HI Tsad's... You're right. I deleted my own comment because it was lame. This time around, Trump is "in it to win it." As for disaster, we just don't know. At least he is finally getting some conservative endorsements. That is encouraging.
Well my comment was aimed at Joshua.Just wondered if he thought this out or maybe, just maybe he is the one who may need to wake up. Guess we will see.
I don't think that is "the plan." My hope, Tsad, is that Trump comes to understand the actual benefits of true conservatism---as opposed to, and over, partisan talking points.
I think hedid what he thought he had to do to win the primary.Now he knows to moderate to win the election,he'll do whatever he thinks he has to to win,he's not an ideologue&has to work with a R congress to get anything done,he'l lean right
Indeed, Trump will lean right...and he has already shown significant signs of doing that. If he is sincere, that's a good thing. If not, we're all in trouble. So....we shall see.
Watching this from afar Trump is whirring up a frenzy of unsaid sadness upset and resentment within the people. While that is good in the sense of giving voice to those that don't have a voice, Trump is being arrogantly reckless with the hearts and minds of the people. INMHO Trump would be a worry for the globe.The world needs peaceful and negotiatry leaders.
Yes, he would be, but the people voting for him don't see him that way: They see Donald Trump as a clown. They support him not because they like his policies, but because he's funny and is the complete opposite of what you imagine a political candidate to be. The TRULY funny thing is I don't think Donald Trump sees this as a joke, nor is he believing his own hype. Trump is riding the wave of our media-soaked society, where nothing is taken seriously and its citizens sit desensitized before Youtube and Cable TV. This is what the man does, after all. HE IS NOT STUPID. He's a genius at marketing himself and at riding something until it can't support him anymore, like those companies that bankrupted (under him). He's taking advantage of that fact that nobody is taking him seriously. The biggest embarrassment would actually be if the Republican Party continued to let themselves get "trumped" by Donald, right as he struts into the White House.
Zeron87, that's just it. Donald doesn't believe his own hype. He actually has some progressive ideals. But he is a marketing genius. The media is playing right into his hands. He may win. There are a lot of angry voters who don't care about policies.
If you want to know why Trump will NEVER be president, Google the FinCEN lawsuit from the U.S. Treasury against Trump for laundering money to terrorists via his Middle Eastern high rollers at the Trump Taj Majahl in my state.
I think Trump is a crook and probably has dealings with the mafia somehow. Are you rich? You work hard. Trump schemes -- he doesn't work. I don't know of anyone who is that filthy rich without breaking the law somehow.
Given that the Democratic candidate is going to be Hillary Clinton, the answer to this question is self evident. Can we do better as a nation?
In Clinton, we have a liar, a partisan political insider, a defender of Bill Clinton, a failed record as Secretary of State, a recipient of big donors on wall street and foreign nationals...
Trump, like him or not, is a product of the current "reality TV" culture that values fame over substance.
We get the government we deserve and right now, the choices are slim and we are in for a rough ride next four years.
Yep, the people have spoken during two primary selections, and the people have chosen poorly. A liar and a man without substance - good analysis Jack Lee.
Yes, an excellent analysis. The following link gives factual information about Trump's unethical business practices.
http://www.listmyfive.com/d21b4645/The- … -President
Savvy, I read through material on the link, and that's some interesting stuff. Even more of a reason (if it was needed) to rule him out as a legit candidate.
Oh god the fact that this is the best answer has confirmed by suspicion and fear that this website has a conservative majority. save me
Jack referred to two candidates---one who is a pretend conservative and one who is not at all. I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but take heart, there are plenty of liberals on this site. More than you can imagine.
Maybe you think Trump isn't a liar? Oh no? Check out the lies he told to the state of NY back in the 80s to get that Brooklyn Navy Yard deal. As for your stupid MANIST remark about Hillary, try again. Provide legal documents of Hillary's lies, Liar.
Calm down, Eleanor. I see you haven't even bothered to read our comments---at all. As for Hillary, we will leave it up to the FBI to provide "legal documents." And they will. Jack, Hx and I do not approve of Trump. Read before making assumptions, OK?
I often wonder why it is some right wingers have such dense brains. Those of us who don't live in DogPatch USA and aren't Bible Thumpers, ProBirthers, Bigots and blockheads, can spot a winger for miles just by their posts. Haterade Alkies.
Trump insults people for no reason. It seems he enjoys it. He appeals to the people because he is different from what we have. Right now Daffy Duck could run for president and he would get elected because he would be something different.
According to 1st Amendment Rights to free speech, only wingers with narrow minds feel the need to delete truth and facts they are too afraid to mentally process. If you have to delete things in life you don't like, paranoia much?
Oh Ewent. There you go again. I'm not deleting---I'm flagging you because personal attacks are against HP rules.
Ewent,you wouldn't know a conservative if one bit you on the arse!Your characterizations of"right wingers"are bigoted&total lies,u use derisive language in order to anger or intimidate while all u are doing is demonstrating how pathetic u r.
U only cheat yourself by censoring opinions that don't jive with your own. But go ahead and build your wall. It is only there that happiness will never find you.
Ronnie, you make me tired. If that were true, half the statements here would be missing. As I said, I deleted Tsad's comments as well as yours, yesterday, due to the bickering between you guys. Now, let's focus on the subject of Trump, alright?
If the "changes" Pres. B.H. Obama promised are the changes he ordered, we were fooled twice. Mrs. Clinton's promises now include Senator Sanders' promises and she cannot deliver all of those, even by executive orders. I want real changes by 2020.
We have already endured seven years of embarrassments., so we are experienced, if more enduring should be required.
If we are to teach the Congress and the Executive that the American people have limits to what we will complacently endure, there is no better time than the present.
"More of the same?" I think not, and I am not alone in saying so.
Yes. Although I think 'embarrassment' is the wrong word. I think it goes much deeper than feeling discomfort over a social situation. He would damage the reputation of our country, a kind of damage that is not easily repaired. A leader who not only has weak policy, but is openly racist and sexist, is one of the worst people to represent our nation on the global stage.
I totally agree. Who the people elect and why says a lot about our country. Obama was elected because of previous major GOP screwups; and now Trump is a response to that. Apparently, middle ground is not something anyone is interested in finding.
The most openly racist President and staff has been Obama - his divisionary tactics are causing a pendulum effect - let's be honest here - we are getting Trump because you elected Obama - politics always swing both ways
You blame Obama for everything don't you? But the fact is that the US economy was on its knees. Of course all of the Republican ultraCon states never noticed. Check the GAO.gov site and you see EVERY GOP has the highest unemployed and welfare.
RS, A black person cannot be racist. Racism requires a racist system in conjunction with a bigoted individual. Bigotry or dislike alone do not fit the definition. Challenging racism is not a racist act. What overt racist act is Obama guilty of?
"A black person cannot be racist." Anything you say after that irrational statement can not be considered to be rational discourse, It's obvious you live by made up rules in your fantasy world of hatred.
Racism is a sender that requires a receiver, whereas bigotry can exist independently. The dominant race cannot experience a systemic racism that itself has created. Thus, racism cannot exist in a minority, as there is no receiver.
Racist= a person who believes that a certain human race is superior to any or all others. A person in a minority can absolutely be a racist, whether there's systemic racism or not. Bigot=a person intolerant of differing beliefs, creeds, opinions.
Hxprof, So-called black racism is like shooting blanks at targets who duck and dodge but are never hit. A complete reversal of history is required for whites to experience racism. Bigotry is not racism. The bigot cannot accept the truth I deliver.
Friends, don't waste your time arguing with an irrational person and his oxy"moronic" "make believe - reality."
Ronnie, bigots ARE racists IF one of the targets of the bigot is race; bigots and racists aren't the same if the bigot doesn't target race as part of his/her bigotry.
Hx,Some R and some Rn't. Eurocentricity notwithstanding, it is impossible for whites to feel the sting of racism in this country. Consequently, to suggest that someone like Obama can be racist is like suggesting a transexual is the same as a woman.
The reputation of our country is already in the toilet and if we allow politics to continue as it has for decades now, my children won't live to see any significant change in their world.
How we are perceived by the general population is not necessarily how we are perceived by world leaders. One thing I do know is that the entire world has become less safe and less reputable due to Obama & Clinton's hands-off policies.
The truth and nothing but the truth is the world has become less safe and the the American people less secure because of the hands off policies of the Republican controlled House and Senate. Governmentlessness has been on Capitol Hill since the 2010
Junko, that statement makes zero sense. It's as if you're just making things up to pass the time. But I'll give you your free speech.
To say my statement makes zero sense is easy as lying every day in this forum for weeks. You have a right to be wrong but not to lie when you know you are lying I just wanted to say what you already know is the truth, write on some people love a lie
It won't be, it will be the best thing that has happened to this country since Reagan saved the country from the abyss.
Sometimes you have to shove aside politics and just put someone into office who will get the job done, get the economy going again, and say America is great.
Then when that person is gone, people can get back to squabbling over petty, ignorant issues, like who is on the 2 dollar bill... or what type of t-shirt is considered offensive. And all the other freedom infringing topics that people like to turn into a political hot topic.
Right now, America needs to do a little reverse course from all these wonderful trade agreements allowing companies to flee our nation, and allowing other nations to run billions in trade deficit with us. We need someone who will focus on the economy, not on an apology tour when he gets into office.
Ken, you might want to read the link I left on Jack's answer. I understand one thing quite well. This election is not about policy, it's about people being mad as hell. For that reason Trump will likely win, but mark my words, he isn't who he says...
Its not about mad, or hate, nor liberal or socialist or progressive or conservative (well not for the adults, maybe for kids without jobs and real world experience) ... its fear, fear of the jobs loss, rising costs, rising taxes, the economy matters.
The economy does matter, which is why I am leery of Trump. He's claimed bankruptcy so many times, it's not even funny, and he has bankrupted his investors. The majority of Trump supporters are angry. Obama's whining has given rise to great resentment
You see it that way because you are looking for things to support your opinion and attack the opponent. But to the vast majority it is meaningless, he is worth billions, he has skyscrapers with his name, tv shows... he embodies economic success.
Nope. See the link. Do some more research. Nearly all of his businesses have failed. He's merely learned how to walk away with investors money. He's a scam artist. He knows nothing about growing an economy.
Savvy, I read your link, and the links for the References. Listen, the man owns buildings and businesses all over the place, has his name everywhere... if he wasn't smart, if he didn't know how to play the game, this wouldn't be the case. He's Smart
Ken, I agree that he is smart. He knows about marketing. My concern is that he has too many progressive leanings. He has been a quasi-Republican since 2012. I don't think he believes his own hype. I do think he will likely win anyway.
This election will definitely be interesting since both Hillary and Trump supporters cross into each others party lines. It is almost impossible to see what kind of voters are supporting who. It would be nice if the hype would die down - it helps not
Ken - you are right on the money. Too much of the anti-Trump sentiment comes from people who fear him upsetting the status-quo. The man is a success plain and simple (4 failed business out of hundreds gets him attacked.)
MISFIT, Veterans, patriots, & most regular white-guys will vote for birther-Trump. Gays, illegal-aliens and women who don't want to believe abortion is murder will vote for Mrs. Clinton.
We don't fear him. We think he's a marketing genius who is also a corrupt man---not to mention he has praised Hillary and has, himself, many progressive ideals. Just watch.
Anyone who reads this thread is about to be converted to Savvydating's religious...by typical middle age FORCE if necessary. She forgets she doesn't pay nearly the taxes the rest of us do.
Trump is not a safe pair of hands in regards to the economy. He inherited millions of dollars and went bankcrupt after that. He would've been better off putting his money in the bank. He is a risky rogue businessman.
You cannot possibly believe anything ever embarrasses the Republicans. Not when you had Jason Chaffetz doctoring a Planned Parenthood video and Trey Gowdy editing Hillary's emails to get rid of her.
As for Trump, he is already an embarrassment to our allies offshore. The message Trump sends to our partners in foreign trade is one of Trump Isolationism. That ought to put a real dent in our international trade. Think about it. He hastes Hispanics? That means no trade with any country in Mexico, South or Central America and there goes our allies in Spain and Portugal who are of Hispanic origin. Not to mention the entire Arab world he also hates. Not to mention the mess he will cause with Canada over building a wall around the entire USA. Yep, just what you want in a Republican...a dope.
That is true. If we elect Trump, we're saying that we agree with his rhetoric - plus, the way he does that is scary. He's a businessman and a marketing person - but he does not represent the majority of American sentiments. How can we vote for him?
The PP video was not doctored. It was edited, like all media, to get to the salient points. The entire video was made easily available to those who preferred to wade thru all the other chit chat. Your 1st paragraph is wrong. The 2nd, quite relevant.
You want proof the PP video was doctored? And using the excuse that it was "edited" proves that Chaffetz doctored it. Some reason it could be shown in its truest form? Your entire post is wrong. Here is a CNN link that proves. http://www.cnn.com/201
Hillary's email scandal is a non-issue for a lot of us. We trust politicians to keep sensitive material under wraps - whether they leak things via talking or email, both are bad. That doesn't typically happen via email - at least they can be traced.
I think you're a judgemental know-it-all who reminds me an awful lot of Trump and his supporters: narrow-minded, selfish bulldozers who will do nothing but divide this country, further. That is the end-goal and you're doing it right.
Trusting Clinton is just as bad as trusting Trump - no way around it. They're both awful.
Polarized viewpoint of a hardcore Liberal - want to play tit for tat? Trump is against illegal immigration, yet you call it hating Hispanics. He's against Muslim terrorism - name calling only makes you a hypocrite.
Savvydating has NO idea what she is talking about. I live in NJ where Trump has (had) two casinos. Again, check out the FinCEN fine he got for money laundering to terrorists. He was warned three times to stop. Women like savvydating pretend knowledge
The PP video was doctored? Okay, chickens have lips! But really, anyone who listens to the evidence (don't have to watch the video) and is completely honest with themselves, has to come to the conclusion that the PP video/audio is real.
Thank you, Hxprof. I appreciate your comment. You hit the nail on the head. It 's all a matter of, if one is "completely honest with themselves."
The truth is that one cannot "doctor" an interview like that.
Voters like Trump because he speaks what is on his mind. He appears strong and he taps their anger, hatred and fear.
Trump has been a phenomenal candidate who consistently knocked each of the other sixteen candidates out of the primaries. He is smart, clever and quickwitted.
Trump appears to be more interested in entertaining his audience with everything including bragging about himself, complaining about others and mocking and insulting anyone he pleases.
Trump refuses to act Presidential because acting Presidential will not draw large crowds. Trump will do absolutely anything to remain in the spotight; including inciting violence.
I do not like Trump. He advocates violating the first amendment to the US Constitution, he displays no allegiance to the Republican Party and he has already violated the President's oath of office to preserve protect and defend the US Consitution; Specifically the freedom to worship as one pleases.
Amen. What you said, John. An insightful answer. You won't get any argument from me. Trump is anything but Presidential.
Trump didn't consistently knock out anyone.From the start he could never get more than 35% of the vote which left the anti Trump vote, 60 - 70% divided among so called "conservatives" candidates who therefore effectively beat themselves.
Had the candidates been selfless &true to their alleged cause,"conservatism,"they'd have united behind 1 candidate early &Trump would have gone nowhere fast but none of them were willing to put America first so they deserve to be losers.
Yep. And the rest of us, who planned to vote for a true conservative, are now stuck with a divided GOP and a future president we didn't want---well, at least in my case, I am not reconciled to him.
Donald Trump has exposed the true face of America. His overt racism, or xenophobia, (whichever you prefer) is no more repulsive than the silent majority of Americans who have reaped the benefits of U.S. imperialism for nearly 250 years.
TSAD, I think the Republican candidates failed to represent their constituents. In the primary debates, the candidates should have to answer questions from the voters; not from the moderator.
To be honest, I can't see him being more of an embarrassment than Obama. This Harvard graduate is quoted as saying he visited 57 states during his campaign. He mispronounced the word corpsman three times in the same speech. In front of reporters and cameras joked about the pastry chef putting crack cocaine in his pies to make them so addictive. His hot mic comments are off the charts, and let us not forget his already historical comment, "If you like your insurance you can keep it." However, Obama is not the blame for his lack of savvy sophistication, or his questionable education, it is the people of this country who don't even know the name of our first president. And yet they could probably tell you what Beyoncé had for breakfast. One fact is true about the Donald, most people don't hold him responsible for the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi.
Trump his risen because Obama has exacerbated economic and racial tensions. And unfortunately, Dems are not concerned about Benghazi. Now enters Trump, who promises "change." However, Trump is feeding the anger and adding fuel to the fire. Not good.
Well said Patty.Trump,if elected,would never make any of those embarrassing,dastardly mistakes(like Obama's apology tour)Could he be worse?I sincerely doubt anyone could be more embarrassing than Obama,our first & probably last black Pres.
What is really confounding about BHO is that he repeatly in his younger days proudly proclaimed "I was born in Kenya".
SD, Hyperbole seems to be a common ingredient in these threads. Please explain how you feel Obama has exacerbated racial tension, aside from the fact that the election of a black president infuriated racists. Who is the architect of systemic racism?
Obama has used law enforcement as a scapegoat for racial tensions, thus creating greater racial division. His constant speeches about racial injustice has given rise to the militant, Black Lives Matter. Obama is a product of his mentor, J. Wright.
I see you feel racial injustice should not be discussed, especially when that injustice is perpetrated by the police. The killing of unarmed blacks, including children, was the catalyst for BLM. The cops are killing whites with impunity as well.
False. Race should be discussed, which is why I brought up the subject. What we need to discuss is that many of those officers who killed blacks were themselves Black. Were they racist or did they fear for their lives? No one talks about that.
So Ronnie,the cops are racist not only towards blacks but also whites?See my friends you can't discuss things with an irrational person.Welcome to"Ronnie'sWorld"where a black man can't be a racist but the cops shoot everyone with impunity!
9 times out of 10 it's not about fear. It's about power and a need to control. Add to that the fact that many areas won't hire cops with an IQ over 127 and you have a recipe for disaster. If they're so afraid perhaps they should flip hamburgers.
I do not advocate unwarranted violence against minority's or anyone else. That is absolutely wrong. What I am saying is that police officers need to make quick judgements based upon the presents level of danger. Sometimes that involves shooting.
Understood. But video footage reveals deadly force was not necessary in a majority of cases. I have worked with these personality types in the military. They are sadists who enjoy hurting people. I have witnessed this on numerous occasions.
Hi savvy. My point has nothing to do with what Trump stands for politically or how he has struck a nerve with people. My point is made in my first sentence. Most Democrats don't see Obama as one of the most embarrassing Presidents in history as I do.
I see. Thank you for clarifying, Patty. Indeed, Obama has been embarrassing. I did not mean to undermine your comment. I apologize if I seemed to overlook your point.
Thank you Savvy. I enjoy reading your comments. You seem to be quite fair and respectful and I admire you for that.
Having just joined a couple days ago, I'll have to accept that this thread is part of my orientation, I suppose. (?) Quite a spirited debate to say the least. Opposing sides exchanging furiously, proving only that you can argue, spin facts, throw out opinions and prove little to the "other" side. Sounds like "Politics!"
It should be most entertaining to return here in November when all is said and done, don't you think? Who will gloat and who will eat crow and in the end, will everyone accept that it simply doesn't matter what "we" think? All this explosion for naught.
Something stood out to me in an ironic sort of way. Anyone who is concerned with potential "embarrassment" created by a President has obviously not paid the least bit of attention to the past 4 or 5 Presidencies. Each SuperPrez has had his share of shame!
Furthermore, I'm afraid that if "vulgarity" offends an individual or injures one's fragile psyche & senses, that individual should have zero involvement in discussing politicians in general, the single-most "vulgar" group of Americans existing. ALL of them. Should a sane person care to argue this, I suggest they wait until the comatose condition passes.
This is fine entertainment.
Jarrod - You're correct that it's rare that something is proven to the "other side". Regards embarrassment in the oval office, of course previous presidents have been embarrassing. Perhaps what's important here is a matter of degree?
Hxprof....Indeed, Sir. And the "matter of degree," depends upon the matter of perception and opinion~~and the world continues to spin while we all hang on!
Maybe I'm a left-winger but I think it's already been decided by our government who will become president. It will be Hillary. We had a black man and next is a woman. After that? Maybe Chinese?
Yes, I believe his personality is too volatile for a President, and he never gives details about policy, I truly believe he doesn't understand that he will have to get his plans through the 60 congressional votes, or how the system works at all.
He has good business skills, and this could be a plus as he re- negotiates trade deals and rebuilds our infrastructure. But his quickness to say he would use nukes is scary, and he insults too many people.
Hillary has been through the mill about Benghazi and they can't find anything on her. It's all stuff egged on by people in their bubble on Fox News. Obama did a lot of good things, He lessened unemployment. The R's can't take Obamacare away from people and leave them with nothing. They have nothing to replace it with. He got legislation passed for the LGBT community, so nobody gets hung like Matthew Shepard. We can't just kick millions of Hispanic people out of the country. It seems old, white men are afraid of the changed demographics of the country as it is now, and want to go back to the 1950s. It's too late for that. And all the gerrymandering they do to make their white voting blocks can't help them anymore, they get smaller and smaller. Whites will shortly be the minority group in the US, whether we like it or not. You can't go back, only forward. And we don't need a crybaby who calls everyone names.
I think we need more than 2 parties. At least Hillary has relationships with R's and can make deals with them, the way things used to be done. Nobody in the R party wants to endorce Trump, he's such a loose cannon.
It would be nice if politicians could just move on and focus on the future.
Yep. But Clinton hates Republicans and Trump hates everyone who disagrees with him. Neither seem to have the temperament to move forward that I can see. Jean, I wish I could be more optimistic about either candidate, but I feel like we're doomed.
I believe Hillary will fail to work with a Republican Congress just as The President did since the 2010 midterms.If Hillary don't win in congress also, she lost. Coming out the gate. Obama had 2 years before total obstruction. She will have none.
Reading about so much election fraud all seemingly in Hillary's favor. She's already been chosen. We don't have to worry about Trump. We do need to worry about the criminal Clinton's being placed back into the presidency, tho. A search of "Clinton Crimes" is beyond enlightening. It's frightening.
A ham sandwich can get indicted in some states. Most prosecutors don't even let juries decide, they "suggest" what the outcome should be. The law is corrupt like everything else.
U think Trump U is scandalous?10 Dem debates not 1 Q on this http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president … lion-back/
All politicians are lazy crooks who want to sit on their butts and run their mouths and lie. You just have to try to choose the one who lies the least.
To those disenfranchised democrats (and many republicans) Trump represents the simple answer. Immigration problems = build a wall. Can’t afford it = we make Mexico pay for it. Trouble with some radical parts of Islam = ban all Muslims from entering the country. Simple answers for complex problems. Life lived like a sitcom with all problems solved in a 22-minute show (not counting commercials). Of course if our (as in many western countries not just America) past performance in simple answers is any clue, simple answers don’t work.
Mexico can’t afford the wall and even if they could they will not pay for it. Cutting off trade with Mexico not force them to build the wall but could force them to turning to other countries with deeper pockets like China. Maybe China will build the wall?
We need the good will with the Muslim population of the world so treating all Muslims like they were all possible terrorists (as in banning from entering the country) will only work against us.
People defend him because they want that simple answer, so defending him is in fact defending themselves (and they like to Vote). Life becomes a reality show. The reality is that a country is not a company. Being A CEO is not the same thing being president. An outsider President much like Trump would be will not have the fundamental connections inside politics to “get r done.” The established Republicans hate Trump almost as much as the established Democrats do. I wonder how many cabinet people he will fire in his first 4 years?
As for your question most people outside of America do not see our leaders they see our Media and if our TV shows, movies, and music doesn’t embarrass you then you wouldn’t worry about him.
Perfect answer. Good analogy about 22 minute reality shows. Working with the leaders of countries takes great finesse and time. Trump's solutions are nonsensical and will only exacerbate tensions. That being said, Obama spent too much time on Iran.
Our President has been apologizing to the world for America's sins for eight years now, from our mishandling of illegal Mexicans to our misunderstanding of what Islam stands for, and everything is still a mess. Maybe it's time for some simplicity.
Simplicity is never simple.
We have had 8,16,24 ok a lot of years of simple answers with no real solutions. Who knows maybe some problems may not have an American solution?
As Usually, we have to see one actor ''Candidate''. He is using the offensive way against Muslims & immigrants knowing that he will not succeed on his campaign. As well chances will go to Hillary who in her turn also hates muslims. But if somebody hates other, do you think he will announce this anywhere? Ofcorse no. Also I want to mention that USA is the land of immigrants. & if you Trump says that Muslims are terrorists. At least Muslims didn't kill the Indians to live in America. The history tell not me.
Hammam, Trump has shown great insensitivity to all minorities, which is unacceptable. He should understand that he has to work with the leaders of all nations, including Muslim nations. That being said, he has been too generous with Iran.
Yes, they killed over 100 million of my people; raped, pillaged and stole all the best land and resources. From our perspective, terrorism started here on this continent with the European Invasion, and the introduction of Christianity.
There weren't 100 million here for them to kill. That guesstimate is no longer accurate. But at any rate, go talk to those who killed many Indians....we didn't do it.
I warned you, this is what you get when you enter "Ronnie's world" of hatred, and irrational make believe. Keep going on with him and it will get worse. All I can say is nobody better give him a gun.
TSAD, I understand. It's difficult to simply watch him post so much misinformation without stating the truth. He can do whatever he wants with it then - which he will as you say!
I thought Ronnie was a white guy. But let the record stand that, again, I despise Obama's handling of Iran and that I believe he underestimates the danger of terrorism by radical Islam.
I know HX, I've been there with him, it's fruitless to even try. Savvy did you see this? http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … competence
Hxprof, The Nazis claimed the Jewish Holocaust also never happened. Your strawman doesn't work here.This generation simply enjoys the fruit of a stolen continent, while maintaining the lie that the progeny of colonialism is the beacon of freedom.
From, the get-go, I knew this Iran deal was BS. Not surprised to hear about the Obama lies from the article. In fact, I asked a Q&A re: Iran talks with Iranian President Hassan Rouhan. HP deleted it after I had already received 9 comments. Go fig
Yes Hammam Zaati. You are correct on all counts. The only terrorists my people saw had white faces and were waving European, and American flags.
I have to say this when he first started it was entertainment so this shows a lot about our nation and what they are looking for. I think that it would be a horrible idea. He is a total embarrassment and he will only make things worse and not better. When you are trying to gain respect from other countries you need to work with them not make it a war.
We cannot go to war with China or any other country because they will wipe us off the map. If he would study is history and see how these other countries are formed and what they can do he would know that. We can't afford to make other countries mad or even try and cut them off. I swear China would buy us out if all of this was a business thing. We owe them so much money it's not even real.
Oh, and on another note how can he sit and say immigration is wrong when he profits from it every single day. He has a company in China right now, so how is his way good when he is profiting. In my opinion, he is saying screw America and keep the rich people rich.
This guy has no sense of what it is like to have nothing and work pay check to pay check. He thinks a small loan is a million dollars, I mean come on now. Republicans made sure that he got this far because they didn't take him down in the beginning because everyone wanted to be entertained. I have to say this is what is wrong with America today with all of this reality tv B.S people are treating this election as a game.
Now it is up to the democrats to come after him full force especially when he is trying to bring up Bill Clinton and what he did when he was in office, well let's see Donald you have been married three times, have five kids by them all and one child, you barely claim so I think that he can take several seats because since Bernie won't be up my money is on Clinton and if Donald does win I hope he gets himself impeached since he wants to run off at the mouth.
I have read all about Mr. Trump and nothing of it has been good at all. He tried to say Obama wasn't even born here like who hires people to interfere in someone else's life? Who mixes up September 11th with 7/11?
I do have the notion to say if you think you can do better then step up to the plate.
On a side note: People don't know how things work in the White House you can't just pass bills all willy nilly you have to go through the Senate and if the Senate won't work with you then your screwed. You can say you want to do something but it is not up to you.
LLugo...valid points. But keep in mind that neither will Hillary work with a Republican congress. She will take her cue from Obama and veto every bill they try to pass. Either way, we are in for a rough four years. Thanks for commenting.
Yeah true but they did not treat him right either and some of those bills were kinda bad. You know I keep saying it but it is a keep rich people rich and us middle and low class still pay higher taxes and make nothing. America has gone.
Here is the truth, no one truly knows a person unless you live with them 24/7. If the camera is rolling then the subject is acting. We might think we know everything about a person however, I find that people never cease to amaze me.
I'm in Australia and here we find the situation kind of amusing. Trump has proven that if an American celebrity decides to get involved in politics they can very quickly leverage their super large following.
I mean we live in a celebrity obsessed world. They have millions of fans who love them, incredible wealth and considerable sway over the media. They're basically political powerhouses. Most of them are also super clever and talented to reach the position they have.
What is also important to note here is that most celebrities are liberal Democrats. So now that Trump has successfully turned American politics into a big reality TV show what is going to happen next? Well I think it is time to roll out more celebrities. Lady Gaga, Moby, Nicki Minaj - I would love to see these guys get involved.
Well all we can draw from the situation is that Trump has changed American politics for good. And for those of us here in Australia it is potentially going to start getting more amusing to watch.
Hello from Ohio (the American state that is round at both ends and hi in the middle)
President Reagan was also an actor and to many he was either one of our greatest presidents of either the 20th century or at least the 1980’s.
Scott... Pretty much why I used the word "embarrassing." But Australia can afford to laugh. Not so much with many other nations.
Blechht! But you're right, Reagan was one. Because he didn't know politics, but was just a figurehead, he let others completely dismantle our middle class protections. Subsequent leaders have made it worse. Now the oligarchy thrives.
Reagan knew politics and had ample experience. He wasn't an actor one day and a president the next. He also knew how to work with Congress.
Ah yes, I forgot he was governor of California for awhile.
Here is the reason: Americans are sick and tired of political correctness. The middle class is getting "screwed" and those are the very people who do most of the work in this country and who pay the taxes. They see the country going in the wrong direction and they want to turn it around and go in the other direction.
That is exactly right, yecall. Trump has addressed this issue and touched a raw nerve. That is why he is popular with the middle class.
Bernie Sanders has also, which is why he's popular with the middle class. The media makes it look like only young people, but I know lots of older people who are solidly behind Bernie, donating to and even working on his campaign.
Our choice of a leader or a president epitomizes our mindset, principles, and the real person on our inside that is not evident to other people. Our chosen one goes on to champion our values, ideals, plans, ideologies and the way forward.
If Americans see themselves in Trump, they will definitely elect him. We will thereafter have a better spectacle of what kind of a person an American is when Trump sits in the White House. Hahahaha
The GOP already embarrassed itself when it failed to be an opposition party. At least this guy will fight. John Boener was the wimp we lost confidence in.
William...Trump is a fighter. I guess we're all trying to figure out what he will fight for.
I have to disagree. The GOP should not be an opposition party, but a party that represents its members. To be a republican does not mean you have to be against the democrats. It’s not an either or situation.
If your party is representing its members who oppose liberal policies (which the republican members do) then they must oppose those policies.In many respects Republican leadership rolled over against the wishes of their constituents.
We need to be a party of action rather than reaction. The best defense is a good offence (I think, as a Browns fan I don’t know what either looks like).
That's calling a spade a spade! lol ESPN thinks the Browns will suck for many years to come. Mike your Browns fan experience is of some use. if we keep the Republican establishment in there odds are so will the Republicans (suck that is)
Really! Comparing a horribly led, clueless, directionless organization like that to the browns is just mean
I didn't, I compared what ESPN said about the Browns (which sounds alot like what you said about the Bowns) to the Republican establishment. :-)
;-) at this point I have more hope for the clowns I mean Browns than the GOP. Maybe they are having the convention in Cleveland so they can feel at home in a place use to disappointment.
When ESPN trashes the Browns like that it's probably the bottom for them,let's hope. Republicans not so much u are right their decades of hypocrisy in office has caught up with them(and us),they went south when Reagan was out of office
Hi savvydating! How's it going?
You know, every Republican who enters the Presidential race and tries to come off as "dynamic," in one way or another, are trying to capture Ronald Reagan's fire. They want to be seen as "Reaganesque." But there are one or two things that "the Gipper's" would-be imitators misunderstand about him.
One Sunday I was watching C-Span's American History TV; it was a program that talked about a cross-section of U.S. Presidents. A panel of historians were talking about this.
At one point one of the scholars was asked what Ronald Reagan might think about Donald Trump's candidacy. Now, generally, scholars do not like "what-if" speculation; however the scholar ventured to say that he thought Reagan would be appalled.
Here we come to what many of his would-be imitators misunderstand about him. This historian said that Ronald Reagan actually had respect for the office of the Presidency of the United States. He did not think he could start right at the top, without ever having served in office at some other capacity in preparation.
Ronald Reagan was, as you know, governor of California for eight years. This historian believes that Reagan would have been appalled at Trump's arrogance, not feeling that he needed to prepare himself, somehow, work his way up, to a certain extent, in politics.
The other thing that more and more scholars are saying, about how Reagan is misunderstood is this: His would-be imitators mistake the Gipper's simple statement of core beliefs as a kind of license to be ignorant of policy. His would-be imitators seem to think that by simply aping Reagan's speaking style, they can grab his lightning.
But Reagan had given himself a political education. He is purported to have been widely read. He had been active in Republican politics for years before he ran for governor. He had honed his views on policy during his years as host of a political radio program.
Therefore, people misunderstand Reagan's governing approach. Its not that he had people around him to do all the work. It is rather that his views had been so clear and concrete that, though he left the details of policy implementation to his people, his people knew exactly what he wanted, if that makes sense---so that the government could "run on automatic," while this man, who was over 70, after all, could take naps.
My point is this: Trump's candidacy may very well be an embarrassment to the legacy of Ronald Reagan, which he is trying to tap into.
Hi Winged...Thanks for reminding us that Reagan was not an actor one day and the U.S. president the next. In fairness, I don't see where Trump is tapping in to Reagan-speak, but maybe he should. LOL. But no question regarding T's lack of experience.
How many Mark Burnses are volunteering. I'm sure he isn't the only opportunist in the game.
Trump will be an embarrassment and failure and Hillary will be an annoyance and a failure!
I thought about not voting, but then I realized that we're also voting for Senate seats, etc. The poster above might get Trump all the male votes. LOL.
If you are a Christian you know that people can change. There are other members of Trump's family and they are outstanding, as is Malina who at one point in her life was simply doing what other models do. She wasn't making porn movies as you imply.
I don't think that was the implication, Demas---certainly not in my mind.
Yes Annsalo, they're both awful candidates. Sadly, what we're hearing is this: Well, Clinton may be bad, but Trump will be worse; or well, Trump may be bad but Clinton will be worse. Neither argument works for me - either will be a disaster.
"The convention miscalled modesty has no standard, and cannot have one, because it is opposed to nature and reason, and is therefore an artificiality and subject to anybody's whim, anybody's diseased caprice."~Mark Twain~ I hope 1st Family r nudists!
Nudism is a very liberal idea and would be cool for a 1st family (not sure I want to see The Donald, though).
HxProf - I am 1 am many (more than 70% of Ds) who r voting 4 HRC bc I like her policies. Her true personal foibles r politically ubiquitous
Why is everybody so obsessed with the personalities of these candidates?Trump's character flaws come nowhere near HRC's criminal mind but their policies are all that matters.HRC's will bankrupt us&enslave us to global rule&a left wing SC.
Think of California's recall of Grey Davis. There was a candidate by the name of McClintock who knew the issues inside and out... needed no "advisors" to guide him. Principle simply couldn't beat persona, though, and the Scwartz was swept into office
What amazes me is that nobody seems to mind Bathhouse Barry Obama's momma WAS a pornstar and his nanny was a tranny called "Evie". www.ObamasRealFather.com
You are so hung up on Obama. I bet the past eight years have been hell for you; and this new election - no matter who wins - will be quite a relief. No more black guy with a funny name or a strong mom who kept him fed. Neat.
The past eight years have been hell ...for blacks! The "black" (actually biracial) man in office has done absolutely nothing for blacks whose statistics in every arena are worse than ever according to the gov't run by the "black" President.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121199/Obama … aign=tiles
Taze, here's who likes PBO
18 - 29 yr old-61%
ME you just gave me a list of the most uninformed people in the US. And what does that have to do with the fact he has done nothing but make it worse for blacks and fan racism. Really your rebuttals are specious, as usual.
Demas, As a Christian I do know anybody can change. I don't see Donald Trump doing that or attempting to. As you know, Christians should study and pursue holiness. It ain't happening for the Donald! Yes, I would consider his kids.
Taze, just because 91% of blacks disagree with you, doesn't make them uninformed, it makes you uniformed since all you do is sound like a broken record with no facts to back up your misinformation.
Does91%of blacks like Obama mean they disagree with the factual evidence he(and the democrat party)have done nothing for blacks or is it more likely they are blind or don't even know the facts? UNINFORMED! or else O zombies who don't care
No, it means your supposed facts are wrong and are simply false hyperbole.
I knew u'd say that because your specious answers leave u nowhere else to go.Obama's gov't statistics are wrong? Read & weepME http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … dent-obama
Kenyan-born, gay, commie, Moslem Obama's momma WAS a pornstar & his nanny WAS a tranny called "Evie". www.obamasrealfather.com
Wow Kevin,listened to the interview of Obama's brother,honestly if I compare him&his body language(what he says and how he says it)to Obama's there is no doubt this is an honest man,we know first hand Obama is not.Why DNA test not done?
yes, it is an embarrassment for the US.because how he has been making a statement about the different issue. It is very shameful.
Every presidency there is something that can potentially be an embarrassment to the US. They are people, the presidents are. Yes, there is the potential for embarrassment. Luckily those embarrassing moments are mostly fleeting. If Trump is the president, I will honor him the same way I did Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama. Give his the respect of the office whether the man is respectable or not and pray that God will put the right people in his path to keep the nation running.
Never. I feel anyone with five minutes to spend can see how unqualified and not genuine he is. Pick a stance he has right now- I guarantee you it has changed at least once in the past week, month or few years. Pro abortion, pro gun control, pro Putin. We can't afford to be governed by someone who lacks the skill to form a sound opinion and who changes his opinion based on the polls. Clinton isn't a perfect choice but regardless of your opinions of her- she has the experience and the steadfastness we need. This isn't a better of two evils year. Its between a person with decades of highly qualified experience or the village idiot.
As a voter with a completely Republican track record, I'm embarrassed of him. I literally haven't told anyone outside my family that I'm planning on voting for him. There is zero chance I would ever vote for Hillary Clinton even though her opposition is this obnoxious jerk. And in my opinion, voting third party just hurts the party you would normally support. I'm voting for Trump in hopes that he'll [mostly] toe the party line.
It greatly saddens me that I can't throw my full support behind my candidate. I'm usually *happy* to reveal for whom I'll be voting. He will be an embarrassment to this country because of the way he talks about some of its citizens.
Another problem, though, is the division. Conservatives and liberals are very very opposed, and anti Trump protesters are violent and out of control. So I'm also legitimately a little bit afraid to share with people my candidate.
He has good intentions but he is not going to make America great again. We are too far gone. Many people are putting their trust in this man and they are going to be very disappointed. My trust is in God alone and no one else. The book of Revelation in the Bible is very clear about what is coming and no President will change that. Again, no one will make America great again.
Why the assumption that Hillary will win the Democratic nomination? . . . Oh, this topic was posted 5 weeks ago. At that time it was the assumption, because the mainstream media was depicting it that way, and Hillary's been trying to act that way with the Democratic Party's official backing. But Bernie Sanders is still going strong and is now trumping Trump in every way. His rallies attract more voters, he's still getting money, and he's been winning the last several primaries. The media is finally starting to take him seriously. And Trump is afraid to debate him in California, because it would turn the attention from Hillary to Bernie - who is a more difficult, smarter, and politically savvy opponent and whose supporters cross party lines.
Would Trump be an embarrassment? I think his election would scare a helluva lot of people, both here and abroad. He would become an embarrassment only in that his rhetoric would quickly not match what actually happens. There would be too many in Congress he would offend with his rhetoric and his assumption that he could bully Congress into doing what he wants them to do. I think they would freeze a wall against him and he would end up not getting anything done. He can make promises right now, because he doesn't have to contend with Congress or the courts. But if he became President, the controls would kick in and he'd have to deal with them. Then he'd have to learn what he doesn't know about diplomacy and negotiating with others to get what he wants, i.e. he'd have to learn how the government really works.
I didn't make that assumption at all, WG. My question pertains to Trump. But yes, diplomacy is everything in World politics. On the other hand, Obama had no idea how to work with Congress either. Thus, he abused his Executive powers.
I know you didn't make that assumption, savvy. Your "best" commenter did. Guess I should have used his name. Anyway Obama actually had more of an idea than Trump does, considering he was a state senator for 7 years and a U.S. Senator for 4 years.
Three years in the U.S. Senate, but I get your gist. Still, Obama is an elitist who could not work with Congress despite his experience. I'm not saying Trump could do better. I am deeply concerned about "The Donald."
Do you think it's possible that rather than learning how government works that Trump would pitch a fit, moan, appeal to his base and use executive actions to get things done - which his base would LOVE, becoming a sort of dictator?
Pretty much, Hxprof. Trump just doesn't seem interested in learning anything about government. I assume he will listen to those who know, but I have the fear that using executive action will appeal to him.
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