BLM and Proud Boys

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   These groups met and discussed views, in Utah. They then held a joint press conference noting they had more in common than not.
   
   https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/ … trump.html
   
   Kind of flies in the face of the narrative on the left. I hope to hear more of the ends willing to open a constructive dialogue.

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      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      What little I know or understand about the Proud Boys indicates that the label (white supremacists) the left has applied to them is completely false.  Hard to imagine a white supremacist group with 20% or so of the group not being white.

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I believe the new definition of "white supremacist" is conservative.

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            wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Either that or the left has decided that anyone they don't like, or that doesn't put blacks above everyone else, is a "white supremacist".  The definition doesn't seem to be white people that want the nation only for themselves and think of themselves as better than anyone else.

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               Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I waa just listening to a segment this morning on Trump's coronavirus and the left not only celebrating but saying he deserves it.
               
               One more example, in my mind, of their cultish behavior. I can't count how many evangelical Christians have claimed others 'deserved, and brought on themselves' calamities.
               
               I'm sorry to watch our society so brainwashed.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  My son once tripped om a toy when he got up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. This was after he told me he would pick up his toys before going to sleep. He fell and hit his funny bone, awakening the entire household with his screams. I felt great empathy for his pain. I also explained that it was a direct result of his own actions.
                  
                  He was nine years old, but he understood and certainly did not think I was the childish one.
                  
                  I am not happy Trump is sick. His illness is a direct result of his own actions, though. Not only that, his actions have endangered others. There is absolutely nothing childish or cultish about stating the truth.

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                     Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     There is something very cultish about claiming someone is responsible for getting sick. I had a husband die once. Loved the evangelicals always asking what he did sinful that brought it on.
                     
                     Cult members never understand their behavior is a direct result of brain washing until after they are rescued.

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                        PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        So, the conservative mantra of personal responsibility does not apply to wearing a mask and social distancing to avoid contracting COViD-19 and/or infecting others with COVID-19?

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                           Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           I wear a mask because I understand that wearing a mask helps protects you, if I have covid and don't know it, from me. It provides minimal protection for me from you, if you have no mask on
                           
                           Trump is the most tested person in the world, yet comes into contact with tens of hundreds more people than the average citizen. People have gotten sick, who follow any suggested protocols diligently. If I remember correctly, the PM of England wore a mask, but caught it.
                           
                           I'm sorry. Blaming someone for catching something like this is a holier than thou cultish thought process. Or holier than thou cultish lack of one.

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                              PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              I don't think "blame" has the same connotation as "responsibility." I have not used the word "blame." That is your word, because you are trying very hard to make me the bad guy for stating the obvious truth, while attempting to absolve Trump of his responsibility.

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                                 Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 If you have interpreted my remarks as an attempt to make you the badguy, I assure you that is completely off base.
                                 
                                 I disagree with you. Only on the left does disagreement cause the other person to be the bad guy.

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                                    PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    "I'm sorry. Blaming someone for catching something like this is a holier than thou cultish thought process. Or holier than thou cultish lack of one."
                                    
                                    Okay, LtL, I'll take your word for it that you are not trying to turn me, or more accurately your euphemism for me, "the left," into the bad guy.

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                                    Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    "Only on the left does disagreement cause the other person to be the bad guy"
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                                    I have seen that phenomenon more than once emanating from the Right..

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                                       Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                       If you notice, 'the right' doesn't reference baskets of deplorable and such language to refer to those who don't vote right.
                                       
                                       If the shoe fits, they should wear it proudly. I see the shoe. I won't pretend it doesn't fit the foot

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     we all have to get the germ. That he got it, is OKAY!
                     
                     (-unless the antibodies don't last ... then we have a problem.)
                     
                     
                     The best thing in the world is that Trump got the germ.
                     For him to fight it and beat it might be the key for the rest of us in successfully dealing with it. Masks are not going to work, hand washing is not going to work, eye goggles is not going to work, washing off all our purchases is not going to work.
                     
                     oh. this is off topic.
                     
                     Proud Boys are probably just trying to counter Antifa.

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                        PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Herd immunity would require 60 to 80% of the population to have antibodies and be immune to the virus. Experts say, at current death rates, this would result in over two million deaths.
                        
                        Acceptable to you?

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                           Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           How do the experts know that fact?
                           
                           The germ was designed.
                           The germ is a weapon.
                           It just really stinks ...
                           to high heaven.
                           
                           and no.

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   GA Andersonposted 4 years ago

   "There is absolutely nothing childish or cultish about stating the truth."
   
   No there is not. I think this truth is hard to deny. Someone at some event, (the Rose Graden ceremony seems a prime culprit), must have had a heavy viral load. A mask on that person would have mitigated that viral spread.
   
   Just as a bit of speculation; considering that the Republican Senators and Representative—that have now tested positive— that were at the Rose Garden ceremony probably weren't in the debate prep room, I am speculating that it started at the Rose Garden ceremony, and then someone from there was in the debate prep room and spread it to Pres. Trump.  But . . . even though the spate of recent positive tests announcements point the finger at the nomination announcement ceremony, that is just a speculative guess.
   
   GA

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