What is happening to our country?

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   jackclee lmposted 4 years ago

   I can't believe for the first time in my life, I see a Washington DC boarding up before a presidential election. Why?

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      jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 069157002/

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         jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Why can't people be civil and accept the will of the people expressed by our election?

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            Kayode Doyakposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            What makes you think they can’t? Sure they can, these riots and vandals are not interested in civility under any circumstances but not because they can’t be civil. They are nothing but thugs and anarchists whose purpose is to create havoc and their motivation has nothing to do with accepting or rejecting the will of the people. They are useful idiots being used by evil forces arrayed against America.

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            wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            We as a nation have embraced the quaint concept that violence is not only acceptable but actually encouraged; witness Portland and Seattle as just two examples.
            
            In addition, we have set aside the old concept of cooperation to achieve a result wherein no one gets all they want but everyone can live with it.  Instead we simply keep working, chipping away, at what we don't like and never accept any results but that which gives us everything and no one else anything.  Witness the decades long struggle to ban gun ownership, to ban abortions, to teach religious beliefs as "science" in schools.
            
            Compromise is a dirty word, and if it takes violence to avoid such a drastic and evil thing, then violence it is.

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            Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Accepting the will of the electorate in 2016 does not mean that political opponents are not obligated to lawfully dissent.
            
            The Rightwinger had started their  "Tea Party's, etc. in protest to Barack Obama virtually on day one of his administration.
            
            I can accept the will of the majority of voters, which Trump did not receive, by the way, but I don't have to like it and can express that displeasure "peacefully".

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               jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I agree with you. but then, can you address my observation about the boarding up of businesses...ahead of this election? What is that all about?

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                  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  We have had a lot of protests or riots if you will over events that have occurred this year. I think that these so called preparations are extreme and not warranted, whether Trump or Biden wins.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Hmm.  Does that mean that if Trump wins legally and constitutionally, but loses according to rules you set up without regard to the law, that you will join the rioters burning cities in "peaceful protests"?

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                  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  That is IF Trump wins legally and Constitutionally.
                  
                  I am more afraid of the paramilitary, rightwing, gunslinging buffoons that will use 2nd Amendment remedies as a response to a Biden win. That concerns me even more.
                  
                  I did not say anything about my participating in riots and raucous protests.
                  
                  But I will do everything legally and within my power to vote and advocate  against the Rightwingers and their candidates. My raison d'etre.

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                     wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Sorry, I took your quote marks wrong. 'I don't have to like it and can express that displeasure "peacefully"' - with the word in quotes, I assumed you meant the new definition of "peaceful": destroy as much as possible before the city shuts me down.
                     
                     I also assumed that the "will of the voters" (popular vote) took precedence over the Constitution and law from the way it was worded.  Again, sorry.

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                     Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     There are two things I would like to bet on. One, of Biden, loses, we will have epic riots  If Trump loses we will have no riots...

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                        jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Agree 100%.

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                        Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't know, Sharlee, a Trump loss may well mean reprisal from those loathsome right wing militia types, suggesting possible insurrection or an otherwise treasonous course. Compared with that response, anything from the left would be Romper Room in comparison.

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                           Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           I can only give my view --- I think if Trump wins and the left comes out to riot they will be met by the right. The riots will be epic. The right is no longer going to step back if Trump wins and let his second term be delegitimized once again by sore losers. 
                           
                           If Biden wins we won't see any form of riots unless Trump contests it, and then riots will occur, and both will show up.
                           
                           The right will not sit back any more than the left.  Human nature...and actually fair play. Do you think no one should stop left protesters when they become violent?  My common sense tells me these fools will come up against opposition if they start burning and looting this time around.

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                              Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              As long as the election and outcomes are clear and undisputed, there should be no issues, any more than there were immediately after Jan 20, 2017.
                              
                              Republicans tend to think that riots and non-violent protests are one in the same. No one is going to certify that even if Trump wins, protests against him will not continue, just as long as it is without violence and property desercration. Much like that  international woman's march that took place days after Trump was inaugurated.

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                                 Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 Again discriminatory views... WOW, You seem to be an expert on what republicans think. This is in some respects is as discriminatory as if I would say all blacks tend to think riots and non-violent protests are the same... It's clear you have very little respect for Republican's intelligence.
                                 
                                 Do you think buildings are being boarded today in many cities because peaceful protests are bringing exs[ected? I would think these business owners are expecting riots. And if Trump wins -- they won't be disappointed.. Your "peaceful protester will come out in droves".

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                                 wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 It looks like you are in a minority when you think there won't be riots over the election.  The news tonight shows cities all over the country boarding up in preparation for just that event.
                                 
                                 It has become all too popular to have riots, and whether they begin, or are intended to be, non-violent the reality is that almost every "protest" turns violent any more.  When we have riots that last for months it says a lot about the possibility of "peaceful" protests from the left.

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                                    Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    I don't think that the protests are about Trump more than they are about specific incidents
                                    
                                    I am still watching out for your bugaloo, proud boys and QAnon whom I doubt will take a Trump defeat sitting down.

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                                       wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                       Absolutely they were seldom about Trump.  That will change if he is elected.  Or if he challenges the vote count.  Or if he is in the White House one day past the vote, not withstanding that he is still President.
                                       
                                       Oh, I don't discount riots by the right, either, but it IS the far left that has created so many of those this year.  As far as I have heard there hasn't been a single one from the right that wasn't incited by the left (not that that is an excuse to riot).  But none of those "peaceful protests" from the right have turned into a destructive rampage of burning and looting.  That belongs exclusively (as far as I recall) to the left.

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               jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               credence, the TEA party was a peaceful grass-root movement. Yes, they were against Obama but not because of his skin color but because of his tax and spend policy that put us in deeper debt, doubling our national debt to $20 trillion by the time he left office.
               This new movement on the left by Antifa and BLM is not peaceful.

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                  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Of course, they were against his skin color and his not being white, otherwise I would have heard about all this stuff during Clinton and earlier Democrat administrations.
                  
                  I don't care for rightwing politics nor their complaints and misinterpretations which carries little or no weight with me as a matter of course.
                  
                  Otherwise you and I can disagree about virtually everything you have said.
                  
                  Sorry....

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               Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Are you really comparing the tea party to antifa and the riots?
               
               Hilarious.

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                  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Right wing goons strike again, what is this about?
                  
                  
                  https://news.yahoo.com/us-election-bide … 28851.html

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                     Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     I had relatives who were tea party. You implies the tea party is violent, like antifa. They aren't violent, they were just feed up with the government and supported the agenda of the tea party. By voting.
                     
                     I didn't read your article but, the right consistently denounces the far right, I have yet to see the left do anything but pander to rioters, looters and the like.
                     
                     I always say conservatives are too busy working, too independent thinking and too peace loving to gather together and cause trouble. When they do gather together to protest they make certain the area they protest in isn't burned and trashed, isn't looted, isn't torn down. They respect others. The left has lost the ability to understand how civil society works.

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                        wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        "I have yet to see the left do anything but pander to rioters, looters and the like."
                        
                        Good point.  When they don't get what they want, the far left turns to violence and the more moderate left gives them what they want.  This makes the moderate left look the same as the radicals...because when they give in they ARE the far left.

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                        Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        "I always say conservatives are too busy working, too independent thinking and too peace loving to gather together and cause trouble. When they do gather together to protest they make certain the area they protest in isn't burned and trashed, isn't looted, isn't torn down. They respect others. The left has lost the ability to understand how civil society works."
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                        I would not say that and I most strongly disagree.....
                        
                        We will just have to wait and see, won't we?

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            Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Because the ideologies of American's have split. No one wins with this form of a split.  And in my view, this will get worse before it gets better.

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      It is apparent many in America have embraced violent protesting. The long summer of love is evidence of that.  So, buckle up if Trump wins we will see much more of what we put up with all summer. Let's just hope they stay in Dem cities as they did last summer.  If Biden wins we will have little protesting if any. Conservatives don't go low. Just my opinion

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Sign of more to come. This election is one of the most important elections we have ever had. And you ask why, just think of the riots we witnessed all year, and every time policemen shoot someone in the line of duty looters take to the streets, and police are told to stand down in  Dem cities. The cities that are boarding up well need to, there will be riots and looting if Trump wins. Hopefully, Trump wins and we won't have to put up with this lawlessness to much longer.

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