Police Violence in Rock Hill, South Carolina

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  1. crankalicious profile image89
    crankaliciousposted 2 years ago

    This is not going to be a popular post with some liberals, but I'm going to post it anyway.

    My comments are in reference to this incident of police brutality:

    https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/broth … MFR7G37DM/

    If we're going to have both good police conduct and good protection against criminals and criminal behavior, we need to have honest conversations about incidents like this one. While I'm making assumptions about the reporting of this incident and assuming that the reports of interactions between the men who were arrested and the police are accurate.

    Right now, we can clearly see that the pressure being put on police is causing serious problems. Violence is up as is the incidents of police quitting. Police morale is way down. That doesn't excuse bad behavior, but it also means that when somebody commits a crime or has a gun in his or her car and then interferes with a police officer's ability to secure that weapon, there has to be a pretty serious amount of latitude given to the police.

    While that doesn't mean you get to beat the crap out of people AFTER you've secured things because you're pissed, there has to be some level of understanding and police reform advocates have to give police a break in instances like this one.

    The suspect's brother interfered with the police. The driver was a known felon and there were drugs and a weapon in the car. This both supports the notion that pulling people over for minor traffic violations is not safe for anyone, but the police have a right to a secure area when the people involved are known to be felons and have weapons.

    Could the police use less force? Sure, but it's reasonable to assume they felt there was a possibility either man could be armed.

    My point here is that reasonable people need to denounce any actions that would cause a normal person to react defensively. I can't imagine anyone, knowing that you have two people with felony records, drugs, and guns, wouldn't be a bit cautious given one mistake could mean your life.

    1. Credence2 profile image78
      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So, Crank

      Why would you assume that liberally oriented people are unreasonable and would be upset if events otherwise proceeded correctly?

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      "The Rock Hill Police Department Violent Crimes Unit and agents with the Department of Homeland Security were conducting a surveillance operation and saw Ricky Price, a known offender, drive a Ford Mustang on Dave Lyle Boulevard. Ricky Price made an illegal turn and unlawfully changed lanes, which led to a traffic stop at the gas station on Willowbrook Avenue, police stated in a news release.

      Price was talking with his brother on a cellphone in the car at the time of the stop, police said.

      A K-9 unit was called to the scene to investigate the car for narcotics, because of past encounters police have had with Ricky Price, Rock Hill police said."
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      There was probable cause for detaining Ricky based upon his erratic driving and his violation of traffic laws, that can expected in the case of anyone.

      How do we get from the traffic stop to the K-9 dogs and the searches? Do officer's have probable cause to search based on Ricky's previous run in with the law that has been documented and available to officers on the spot? Were they convictions, that allow police to go beyond procedures applicable in this case of a traffic stop? I have heard of the preemptive approach with those on parole, but the offenders know that they are on a tight leash already.

      If there were a legal basis to search the car, then I otherwise find that Ricky and his brother were treated appropriately by police.

      However, if the K-9 identified the car for drugs, that would be probable cause or at a minimum, reasonable suspicion that when combined with Ricky's record would justify a search. I could live with that.

      This guy, Ricky, is a bum. But I don't like cowboys and hold law enforcement to the use of proper procedures regarding accosting, arrests and searches. It takes the wind from the sails of all those that want to protest that the police acted improperly.

      1. crankalicious profile image89
        crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        The incident has already caused protests and it weakens any arguments against true police brutality.

        What I'm saying is that there needs to be a clear delineation between what constitutes real police brutality and incidents like this where the police have probably cause to be concerned and use any means necessary to make sure the suspects are secured.

        I'm glad your perception is similar to mine that protesting this as police brutality weakens the arguments against police reform.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Please check put these links it is a list with their names and faes and how they were killed in the line of duty. Please note these stats are for 2021.

      Gunfire 28 killed ---https://www.odmp.org/search?cause=Gunfire&from=2021&to=2021&filter=nok9&o=

      Vehicular assault  12 killed ---   https://www.odmp.org/search?cause=Vehic … ilter=nok9

      Struck by vehicle  10 killed ---https://www.odmp.org/search?cause=Struck+by+vehicle&from=2021&to=2021&filter=nok9

      2 stabbed and killed -- https://www.odmp.org/search?cause=Stabb … ilter=nok9

      Please note on the Home page you can add any year to check the death toll of officers.  https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2021

      Make one wonder why anyone would want to be a police officer in today's society.

      1. crankalicious profile image89
        crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I don't know why anyone would want to be an officer. It's a dangerous, thankless job.

        We need to stop lumping all police into one category. People on both the left and right need to call out true abuse when they witness it and call out wrong accusations of police brutality when it's called for.

        There also have to be honest conversations about the origins of policing in this country that don't involve vilifying police officers.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I so  agree...

        2. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Problem is that it seems that lots of people deny that police should ever cause any harm to anyone, regardless of circumstances.

          Whether that comes only, or primarily, from criminals is unknown.

  2. Rupert Taylor profile image96
    Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

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