Slavery - More are Enslaved Today than at any time in History

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   Ken Burgessposted 3 years ago

   40 million people are estimated to be trapped in modern slavery worldwide:
   
   1 in 4 are children.
   
   Almost three quarters (71%) are women and girls.
   
   The data, released during a United Nations General Assembly back in 2017, showed that more than 40 million people around the world were victims of modern slavery in 2016. The ILO have also released a companion estimate of child labor, which confirms that about 152 million children, aged between 5 and 17, were subject to child labor worldwide.
   
   https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/cou … today.html
   
   https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-tod … n-slavery/
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbNpzOvRDac

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That's correct, from visiting 5 continents. Covid will add a hell of alot more, if people don't wake up.

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Amen Castle, sad but true!
         
         It's sad, horrific, heart-wrenching....but no one really wants to talk about this Ken, 2021 has been devoted to bringing down the United States of America and Western culture in general and to attacking, insulting, belittling, (whatever it takes) into complete and total submission - those who dare stand, in defense!

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            stand! In defense!
            
            Be brave and get a shield to defend against the onslaught of words
            ... used like bullets.
            
            What is that shield? Discernment of what is true and factual vs what is lies, lies and more lies.
            
            Detective work!

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            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Yes my health is my last defence and end of game. If I don't to it well, no more games to play.
            
            They can steal and cheap every else. They are not allowed to be my body snatcher.

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      CHRIS57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Certainly a sad story. Every country contributes its (lack of) responsibility to this problem, those on the consuming side and those on the slave labor side.
      
      In my country and the EU we have first efforts to overcome this problem. Already for many years many products must be labled to allow costumers to choose.
      
      For food it is ingredients (with health focus)
      For kitchen equipment and electronics it is energy consumption (reduce energy useage),
      just to mention some examples.
      
      And now for clothes, garments, shoes it will be: Certified exclusion on child labor.
      
      I am not sure if and how that could be enforced by any means. But it is worth a try.
      
      May be it only makes consumers feel less guilty, and doesn´t do a thing in the child labor countries. We shall see. At least it will make the ultra cheap stuff more expensive. I don´t think that high price clothes from Armani, Gucci, Chanel use slave labor.
      
      How is the US handling this issue?

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Not very well! Too many in the U.S. are consumed…make that hellbent on destroying the Country they deem unworthy of existence. They can’t be bothered with petty, little things like modern day slavery.
         Churches and a few private companies are invested in doing the work which needs to be done.

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Where do you get the idea that those that you say are hellbent on destroying America are comfortable with modern day slavery? I don't care for the concept whether it is modern day or otherwise.
            
            The problem is not the country, but the people within it  having the intent of lying about its actual history, covering up grievous wrongs and errors.
            
            I cannot undue an heinous American past and no one expects that we can correct what had happen, just don't lie to me about its true nature. It is the paramount expression of disrespect. I still do have to explain aspects of American history to my nieces and nephews emphasizing both the positives and negatives of that history.

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      This is a lways a tragedy, now as it was in the past. And it can neither be justified or mitigated in either time frame.

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   The only lies circulating, are in Dem/progressive/leftist circles. We all know that the United States of America didn't invent slavery, but ended it long, long ago!
   We all know a certain party, the Republican Party came into existence to insure that it was ended.
   We all know that a certain Republican President was born... to see that it ended.
   We all know that he was assassinated for it!!
   We also know who made up the KKK...the Democratic Party.
   We all know who created Jim Crow laws...the Democratic Party.
   We all know that both blacks and whites owned slaves, (just depended on who had the most money) Kamala knows!!!
   Is that what you tell your nieces and nephews?
   If not, you are lying to them.

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      But it still existed here with horrendous after effects for the enslaved and their decendents.
      
      A certain anti-slavery Republican president in the quest to maintain the union expunged slavery in America as part of the plan. Lincoln, regardless, deserved a great deal of credit and I give it where it is due. Lincoln was assassinated from a supporter of a vengeful South.
      
      
      I am aware of the Democrat party political position in the 19th century relative to today, but the table has turned as to the here and now. I will tell them about that, too.
      
      It is BS about Blacks owning slaves as it is nothing more than an infitessimal aberration.
      
      I am not going to pay attention to the right wing lies that the Civil War began just because the two sides could not decide as to where to draw the the Mason Dixon line.
      
      THAT is what I am going to tell them.
      
      What does Kamela have to do with this

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   Yes, he was assassinated by a Democrat, Democrats are at the root of all evil, but go ahead, stay on that Dem plantation. Kamala Harris has family that were slaveowners, you didn't know that?

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      abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      p.s. for the record, there's a lot of Republicans today, RINOS, which aren't much better. Abe would be ashamed of their pushover, weak-spined, wobbly-kneed ways, allowing this Country to be seized, overrun by anti-America types. It disgusts me as much as the Dem Party does.

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         Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         In my opinion, Abe would be embarrassed by what the Republican Party has de-evolved to........
         
         What is anti-American? Does that mean I am suppose to overlook error in the conduct of its history?

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Did you know since Lincolns assassination. The US or US corp for corporations. Has been under marshial law since and 97% of the time in war since independence. Meaning they need to produce a major war every year.
      A president can not be of a country mainly of a corporation. US is a corporation with over worked slaves and a fake democracy. With a quarter of the total world prisoners and half of the worlds offensive war budget. US was great for me, until GW Bush kick me out, because I refused him a war sculpture. Happy in Canada anyways.

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         Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Castle...
         
         I have had more than a passing thought of visiting Canada for an extended period for an examination of the possibility of moving there. But family obligations and my wife bonding attachment to semi to tropical climates prevents it.
         
         I had a bang up time in Montreal, almost 35 years ago. Such and interesting meld of the French language and culture with the rest of English speaking Canada. I regret that I have not the opportunity to return.

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I don't agree with your complete and total dis of the U.S , but I do agree that the D.C. establishment (swamp) wants and needs us to be at war. It is why Trump was so hated and had to he stopped, he doesn't concur.

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Funny, AB, I say the same about Republicans and all that standard claptrap about "plantations" and such. You folks are so adamant about not being held accountable for events that occurred over 150 years ago, why should I come after Kamela?
      
      It wasn't Kamela and her family that were responsible for a century of Jim Crow afterwards, it was the conservatives, regardless of their label at the time, Democrat or Republican.
      
      Senator Byrd was a member of the KKK, but he stayed with the Democratic Party and supported its progressive agenda and did not turncoat to republicans like so many other Southern senators during the 1960s and 70s, well in line with the Southern strategy.
      
      Kamela today is exemplary, while today's Republicans are anything but, in my opinion.

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         Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I think this is the point where there will never be... never be on my behalf anyways, agreement.
         
         What happened 150 years ago, I don't care, I don't want to hear about... you never dealt with it, no one alive did, its as ancient history as what happened to Jesus Christ.
         
         Where we could find ground for agreement, was what was still very much part of our society in the 60s.  People are alive from then, I was alive then, and segregation and discrimination from those times should be addressed, and perhaps even restitution for those who can prove they lived through it, or are immediate descendants, is warranted.
         
         But any rational and realistic resolvement of these matters will never occur, they are politicized in the extreme here in America, heck they have been incorporated into corporate ad campaigns, the last thing those who are profiting from this angst in our society want is a resolution to it.
         
         This is neither here nor there, to the intent of this thread, which is the GROWING problem of slavery in our world today.

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            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            It's true to live in the now is best. History was written by the winners, and people at the highest power need slaves, to to hold their possession of control. Slavery is at it highest level ever historically right now.
            
            This may sound silly, yet the covid I feel will change history drastically and profoundly. It will expose the monetary currency, bankers and Government as harmful. I sense the individualism will grow roots rapidly. As more discover independence and possibly more countries rather than one world order which is being heavily pressured and abused right now worldwide.

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I am listening, Ken
            
            We know that nothing can be done about events that occurred in this country a century and half ago. I just ask that the truth about the why, how and wherefore of those events not be distorted.
            
            We can begin regarding rational resolvement with acknowledging the truth about the institution and its true nature. We can start there.
            
            We also know that this society would never even discuss reparations, so why go there?
            
            Just like you, I am outraged about the prevalence of slavery in the world, today.

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            CHRIS57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            ...This is neither here nor there, to the intent of this thread, which is the GROWING problem of slavery in our world today....
            
            Well said.
            
            As a foreigner (well not quite, with my life experience in the USA), as a foreigner i am quite lost with this partisan bashing. Does it really matter what happened 150 years ago and the Jim Crow law and how Reps and Dems switched sides over time with respect to modern day slavery?
            
            In the link that Ken provided, you find a good description and definition of modern day slavery:
            - human trafficking,
            - forced labour through threat of punishment,
            - debt bondet labor, people trapped in poverty,
            - descent based slavery, people treated as property in more archaic systems,
            - child slavery, deprivation of childrens rights and forced labour,
            - forced marriage,
            - i would add: passport withdrawal, has the historic consequence of being locked in one location and beíng at mercy of local authorities.
            
            I don´t know how much of these definitions contribute how much to the 40 millions in question. But i think some part of it you find in any country. I am definitely sure about human trafficking, that is everywhere.
            
            I assume the predominant form of modern slavery is child work. And this issue should be tackled first.

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               Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               There are people in this thread that have initially compared the international problem with those associated with our national grievances. I was obligated to comment.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  With Over 100 countries in covid lockdowns, this is by far, from my experienced in the modern industrial countries. Greatest slavery in my lifetime. One third of established small business have gone under and on evey level hurt except the wealthy doing record profits. People are deeply effected or harmed greater than the harm from covid.
                  When One old grandma dies, we are all enslaved at home. The odd country imprisons unvaccinated people.

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            abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Ken, I wasn't going off on some wild tangent, I promise. It does all go hand in hand. Modern day slavery is very real, but like so many things, it doesn't get the focus it deserves, the action it requires, because too many people (at least here in this Country) are either living in the past or being guilted into returning to it... to change things we have no power to change. It has become such an obsession that everything else is being ignored and this Country is coming apart over it!
            
            I'm sorry for my part in getting off topic.

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               Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               It is part of the problem in today's world, it is hard to address the issues of the day when so many are determined to look back... and not just back to within their/our lifetimes where wrongs occurred, but centuries ago.
               
               We see this in the "guilt driven" viewpoint on Climate Change issues, the blame is always on North America and Europe who were "historically" the makers of the most Carbon.
               
               But that has nothing to do with today's reality, where China produces more greenhouse gas than the entire developed world combined, a report by Rhodium Group showed China emitted about 30 percent the world's total greenhouse gases in 2019.
               
               The past has nothing to do with the fact that Brazil is setting records for the amount of deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon, with 519 square miles (1,345 square kilometers) cleared every month.  The Amazon is supposedly the World's lungs, well we won't have any lungs left in just a few short years... yet no one is bothering to raise the alarm and demand global action.
               
               Same for slavery, we want to look back and talk about righting wrongs from hundreds of years ago, we want to villainize people today based on race, for what occurred in past generations... while ignoring the fact that entire societies today, entire regions of the world, are enslaved... the people oppressed, raped, murdered, put into 'work camps' by the millions.
               
               There is something seriously wrong with how America, the MSM, our Universities, our politicians are focusing the Nation's interests today... we are ignoring the world burning around us, while we focus on past wrongs of long ago ages, or worse, look for insult and injury in every statement.
               
               We want to force everyone to get a vaccine, even as newfound evidence shows it has no effect against the Delta variant, even as evidence mounts that boys under the age of 24 can have severe negative reactions to it.
               
               I look at what our "leadership", be they politicians or educated elites... today America's "educated elite" are often neither educated nor elite. As American academia has increasingly become an ideological monolith.
               
               Our educated elites, like our politicians, are deeply flawed, so bound to their ideologies that facts and truth can have no place in their reality.  Many aren’t truly educated, nor are they particularly elite, except in social and economic status. They’ve developed an arrogant ignorance that makes them impervious to additional learning and traditional wisdom.  So long as they espouse the correct ideology however, they are lauded as brilliant intellectuals.
               
               In less than 100 years, we replaced a system based on race/birth with a fairer system based on talent/ability. We opened up the universities and the highest positions in the workplace to women and minorities.
               
               University attendance surged, creating the most educated generation in history, 60% of current graduates of higher learning are women, not men.
               
               We became socially conscious and committed to ending bigotry with anti-racist/sexist messaging everywhere we look today.
               
               You’d think all this would have made the U.S. the best governed nation in history. Instead, inequality rose. Faith in institutions plummeted. Social trust declined, Civic unity fragmented. The federal government became dysfunctional and society bitterly divided.  We are a people completely delusional, self-absorbed and looking back at past wrongs rather than looking around at what is going on in today's world and trying to address current issues.
               
               Slavery today is a growing problem, Deforestation is a growing problem, corporate greed and governmental overreach is a growing problem (both represented well in today's pandemic)... who benefits on focusing Americans on the wrongs of the past and pushing racial divide?

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                  abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Hear, hear!

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                  CHRIS57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  It is not necessarily bad to look back at history. The issue only arises if people only look at the past as the conservation of a certain status quo.
                  
                  This is not what we should back for. It is the change dynamics that should be looked at. These dynamics actually teach us and prepare us for the future.
                  
                  One example: You rightly point out that currently China is responsible for 30% of CO2 and greenhouse gases. Certainly so, but what is important is to look at how this CO2 output is reduced in relative terms to GDP. And that development does not paint a bleak future.
                  
                  People have little in their cognitive toolbox to detect changes. Not for the good and not for the bad. And most are totally lost if those changes have  exponential characteristics. This makes people very sceptical to findings of those who are able to open the cognitive toolbox (call it science, call them scientists). Want an example for exponential change: Covid19
                  
                  My point: If you look back, look and analyse change. "Back then things were better" is only a reflection on a certain status quo and good for nothing to evaluate the future.
                  
                  Modern day slavery has its most prominent reflection in child labour. And child labour is based on economics. Change the economic situation and you change the child labour situation.
                  
                  A much harder nut to crack is "descent based slavery". What about the Cast system in India, what about the role of women in Islam societies (not all. but some). What has changed in the past centuries? Not much. So this is not actually modern day slavery, it has been there forever??

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         You seem so sharp, but are dead wrong Cred.

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree on these points...

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