Why is Sweden doing better with the pandemic than other countries?

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  1. Readmikenow profile image94
    Readmikenowposted 14 months ago

    Sweden continues to tout some of the lowest COVID infection rates we've seen, despite minimum public activity restrictions, unlike those we've seen at home in the U.S., but will our authoritarian officials ever acknowledge it?

    The Swedish government's decision to keep the country operating with minimum disruption received immense backlash from COVID extremists across the spectrum during the early days of the pandemic.

    Schools and businesses remained open. Tourists were (and still are) welcomed. Masks aren't even recommended -- let alone required.

    https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/graphs-swed … e-results/

    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Generally Scandinavia is the best area for a good lifestyle in the world. Finland voted as the best country to live with Norway second and Denmark third. Find them wiser in their ways of thinking even better than my own country Canada, that's become more communists like, over Covid.

      Notice even the top ten per capita athletes in the world. Come from countries under 10 million populations. Its over centralized countries or corporations have become deeply corrupted for most part, as largest corporations require slaves.

      Also no lockdown and less required masks countries that have less covid deaths . Large corporations created a new world order that is not substantially and lacking balance.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image82
      Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      The stats tell all. They handled COVID as it should have been handled in my view with minimum mitigations They sought not to stop the spread but slow the spread without draconian mitigations,  Sweden's response planed and was less invasive than many other countries, with no general lockdown. It focused on more sensible mitigation that worked in slowing, but not stopping the spread. They had no problems with overpopulated hospitals and fewer deaths than many countries that used very stricken mitigations.   Physical distancing was recommended in public spaces, and mandatory in bars, restaurants, and special events.  Visits to nursing facilities were banned. Kindergartens and schools for children up to 16 stayed open but closed for older children for the first three months of the pandemic. There were no enforced quarantines for infected households or geographical regions, and facemasks were not recommended outside or inside if one could comfortably distance. Sweden built a slow herd with the least damage to their society.  They kept a calm society that kept their heads under pressure, pulled together and it has paid off.

      In my view, they followed the true science of how to crush a virus.

    3. CHRIS57 profile image61
      CHRIS57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I don´t quite understand where you want to get with this discussion.

      At best, the Swedish performance during the 18 months of the pandemic is an example on how poorly the pandemic management was implemented in the USA.

      What good did restrictions, lockdowns, you name it do, if the population adjusted case count was still the same in the USA as in Sweden with much milder restrictions? And the fatality count was even lower in Sweden than in the US, but that i would attribute to the much better health care system in Sweden.

      To understand how much harm the Swedish pandemic management did, you have to compare to peer Scandinavian countries, or Germany, or Austria, or Switzerland. Excess deaths are much lower, almost a magnitude lower in said countries than in Sweden.

      Please allow me to be provocative: Where is the point you want to make? That Americans should be as disciplined as Swedish folks are? That Americans do the right thing by themselves? Apparently the Swedish do, but the Americans?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Personal, I would have prefer to catch covid. Rather than a year and a half of hell on every level. My great immune system would do far far better than all the flu death seasons of 6 decades in Canada. Then could have traveled to my work international and visit love ones and serveral other things.

        All the Freedom Sweden had, I wish we had that in Canada. Sweden covid deaths put them in the better half of countries in Europe. Nathanville said Sweden is ranked 39th worst country in the world for covid deaths. Fail to mention Sweden was better than 150 other countries death toll per capita.

        Better to risk covid than all the rocketing ....
        Hyper inflation
        Domino monotary collapse
        Suicides
        Poverty,
        Wife beating
        Anti social anxiety every step
        Mental disorder doctors
        Waiting to death, in hospitals
        Heart and cancer axam by phone
        Homelessness
        Covid mean gain 19 Pounds
        Rec centre closed,
        Poor Olympics and sports dullness without fans
        Ultimate fear mongering
        Nursing home deaths by isolation
        Sex with double masks on.
        Butt plug for Covid farts
        Suffering toxic masks
        Rise crime everywhere
        Invasion privacy and arrests
        World largest protest very little seen or heard.
        BS , lying, Slander damaging  people reputation, just for being unvaccinated.
        Character assassination,
        Told by Government what work you can and can't do Malicious gossip
        Smear campaigning on-line Bullying
        Governments interference Totally crippled entertainment, art and culture industry
        Backbiting, lies, slur  Immediate false, accusation Mudslinging.
        Bad-mouthing, then patting each other on the back for it.
        Indecency and harmful

        1. Miebakagh57 profile image70
          Miebakagh57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          I doubt if you would prefer to take a shot of the covid virus, than to brag about the strenght of your immune system.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            That is the greatest different between someone who detox their body, treat food as God's and home they live in. Plus practice building their immune system on travel to 5 Continents
            Vs
            Most everyone force to stay at home where the air quality is 9 times more toxic than outside. The GMO foods and all toxic products makes them sicker and weaker by corperatism brain washing.

            Hey the concept of JC used his mouth and got angered at the money changer, also help the poor and sick. This Is the same aim, I'm proud to be on. When it comes to this, would be happy to have the largest mouth in the world!!!

            https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as … -1.6129371

            1. CHRIS57 profile image61
              CHRIS57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              How do you ... practice building their immune system on travel to 5 Continents ...?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Traveled over a 100 countries. One example, I've built 5 tiny houses in the tropical jungles where whole town had malaria. The great immune system is the greatest defense, knew of a cannibis that works for malaria
                With the exception of tuberculosis, malaria kills more people than any other communicable disease in the world. Approximately 300–500 million. What Covid 4 million,? Nothing.

                1. CHRIS57 profile image61
                  CHRIS57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  For Malaria you probably mixed "cases" with "death".  The numbers i found for deaths is roughly 10% of Covid19 per year.
                  Malaria is flourishing, where poverty and malnutrition is encountered. May be there your sturdy immune system will help.

                  With effective vaccines available, other deadly infectuous diseases were eradicated: TBC and smallpox, for example. Should make you think that vaccines are something good.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Taking the history of Covid deaths of 4.2 millions.  Malaria would be roughly 100 times greater deaths in its total history. Even the recent years malaria is higher than Covid  deaths .


                    Full year 2020 of death by Covid is under 2 million.

                    2,million ÷
                    7,800,00,0000 world population would
                    0.0002.
                    With rapid rise 2021 could be 0.05 or at worst 1%.

                    Where and what year was 10% Covid deaths? That would be nearly twice the deaths than the Spanish flu at its peak year.

                    If this was true, I would kayak to a few Pacific ocean islands countries. Where there is no Covid deaths. After Gates says it's going to get 10 times worst, meaning end of human kind. Then would come back with a working  super immune system and own the planet.

            2. Miebakagh57 profile image70
              Miebakagh57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Where does that take us to here in this discussion?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Immune systems vs vaccines. There is a dozen things kill us greater than Covid. Covid worldwide mortality rate death of 0.005. We don't force everyone in the world to stand on our heads. It takes a great propreganda machine to do this.
                Like comparing 8 deaths a year by sharks, to a year to masquitoes 2.7 millions.

                1. Miebakagh57 profile image70
                  Miebakagh57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  World mortality rate of covid19 is given as 3.0 and 4.0. The mean then would have been 3.5.                                       However, Singapoor is the only country in the world with the lowest morttality rate. And this is given as 0.005.                                    But for you, Castlepaloma, to take this figure distort it, and say that it is the world low mortality rate per covid is very misleading.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Singapore is not the lowest for Covid deaths.
                    PACIFIC ISLANDS: The largest cluster of countries without the coronavirus is in the South Pacific. Tonga, Kiribati, Samoa, Micronesia and Tuvalu are among the small island nations yet to report a single case.

                    Are you saying in one year of Covid deaths globally there is as high as 4% of the world has died of Covid.
                    Only full year of Covid death is 2020 under 2 million.

                    Take 2,million ÷
                    7,800,00,0000 world population would get
                    0.0002.  of the world population die of Covid.
                    Most stats report mortality death rate by full year.

      2. Readmikenow profile image94
        Readmikenowposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        It appears that countries with little or no lockdowns did better than those who had excessive lockdowns.

        "Strict lockdown countries like Spain and Belgium? They had excess mortality rates of 18.1 percent and 16.2 percent respectively.

        "Twenty-one of the 30 countries with available statistics had higher excess mortality than Sweden," the wire service reported. However, there is a bit of bad news for Sweden.

        "Sweden did much worse than its Nordic neighbours, with Denmark registering just 1.5% excess mortality and Finland 1.0%. Norway had no excess mortality at all in 2020,"

        It appears two weeks ago Sweden started to record zero deaths from Covid.

    4. Ken Burgess profile image84
      Ken Burgessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Lets just put the truth out there...

      This isn't a Pandemic.

      By definition, a true pandemic causes a high degree of mortality (death).

      A pandemic is when something like 30% of the population is dying from some infectious disease... this virus is fatal to less than .02% of people under the age of 45.

      People OVER 45 are at risk...but they are at risk from just about everything... and I'm saying that being someone over 45.  The older you get, the less capable you are of recovering from any serious injury, infection or disease.

      A CDC (who gave them power to dictate anything in America?) lockdown is Un-Constitutional.  A perpetual "State of Emergency" is just another road to Tyranny... this is how we lose all our rights and freedoms, and how they do away with the Middle Class in America.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        The wealthy secret society must be having laughing fits. From all over the outrageous things they get us to do and the world masses. And laughing all the way to the bank. Mean wail they are exposuring themselves.

      2. CHRIS57 profile image61
        CHRIS57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

        A quick look at the definition and history of pandemics will easily show that the Covid19 virus caused a real pandemic.
        In fact there was only the Spanish flu that overtook Covid19 with more deaths from world population in adjusted figures.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic
        Yes - it is a pandemic.

        If people in general don´t accept that old and young live together, then we will have generational struggles on which generation causes problems for some other generations.

        With Covid, the question is: Will the younger be willing to protect the older by getting vaccinated?

        With Climate the question is: Will the older be willing to potentially sacrifice some of the hard earning living standards (energy consuming) to protect the future environment for the younger?

        This is not about individual freedom, individual sacrifices, it is a generational issue. I would state that those societies who are willing to accept this generational aspect are better prepared on the long run. Possibly Sweden is accepting this.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Why are we not sacrificing our energy into pandemic of Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) are the leading cause of death globally. An estimated 17.9 million people died from CVDs in 2019, representing 32% of all global deaths. Of these deaths, 85% were due to heart attack and stroke.

          Covid 0.05 hardly worth all the fear mongering.

          Some debate cancer is worst  due faster grower than heart disease.

          The Spanish flu was 5.26 mortality deaths for its time. Now that is a pandemic, the Covid is propreganda wars.

          1. CHRIS57 profile image61
            CHRIS57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            By definition a pandemic is related to contageous diseases. CVD´s are not contageous - thus no pandemia. Same with cancer - evem though widespread, no pandemia.

            When we talk about influenca virus pandemics, the Spanish flu outnumbers all others including the Covid19 pandemia, killing some 50 mill. worldwide in less time than Covid. 50 mill. in 1920 is the equivalent to 200 mill. in 2021, roughly.

            Humans die from all kinds of diseases. It only gets problematic if some strong interference is taking place. During the period of Saddam Hussein in Irak, the major cause of death was CVD, as expected everywhere on our planet. That changed after the invasion, then major cause became war/ civil war related violence. I suppose it is the same in Afghanistan.

            We can discuss a lot about the health of mankind. Sweden had tried to protect the elederly and vulnerable and let the virus run wild everywhere else. Nothing to object to this approach, except: nowhere in the world any country succeded in keeping the virus away from nursing homes or elderly in general. That was the major miscalculation of the Swedish.

            There was one way to comfort and dampen the inevitable spreading to the vulnerable a little bit: Keep active cases low - and that required restrictions, lockdowns and discipline of the people.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              It the same group of people that created the world war 2 and middle East wars and using Covid as a bio weapons for power and control today. Just taken it to a higher level world wide.

              Their numbers make no sense. Yet I'm cheering them on. There is too many weak people we must be depopulated for a better quality of life. In order for us unvaccinated people who ace their bio organism practice to live in love and peace.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                From Ron Paul

                America Masks are just  psychological a form of manipulation. Many reputable physicians
                And scientist have said they are worthless and potential harmful. Lockdowns are meant to condition people to obey without question. A Nation of people who of people who just do what they are told by the experts. Is a Nation ripe of decency and force into tyranny.

                1. CHRIS57 profile image61
                  CHRIS57posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  I watched an interview with one of those scientists. He questioned the effectiveness of masks. Among his arguments he explained that everybody could see that uselessness to prevent aerosol spreading by wearing a mask with glasses and having breath vapor condensating on the glasses, this supposedly prooving that aerosols run out free.

                  My immediate thought: Wait a minute, this does only show that breath goes 5 cm with mask and not 100 cm (without mask).
                  I am no doctor, but i am an engineer with a major in fluid dynamics. I think i know how gas and liquid fluids move and distribute. And if i can debunk this argument easily, then how much worth is this whole discussion.

                  Some see masks as a political expression. Doesn´t make sense. I use a surgical mask in these Corona times. If there was a aerosol distribution problem, then why do surgeons use the same masks in every day, totally unpolitical, live safing operations?

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Doctors and nurses throw out their masks continuely, almost  after every contact.
                    The adverage public drags their maybe Covid in  their masks around for a month. Not design to work 8 hour days. Fresh oxygen is very important for our immune systems.

                    Masks promote fear like the old bank robberies or fear of doctors.
                    Fear is even more harmful to our immune systems.

  2. CHRIS57 profile image61
    CHRIS57posted 14 months ago

    May be i am wrong, but i always thought that an immune system has to be preconditioned, in other words it has to learn how to tackle foreign objects like a virus or a germ.

    How do you do so? I understand it helps if kids dig in the ground, get dirty ... I also understand that getting dirty from the mud of 5 continents will provide further protection. But i don´t understand how that will fight off something like Malaria or other infectious diseases when no protective mechanism inside your body is ready to fight, because rubbing your nose in the dirt doesn´t help.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUlo

      May this help about super germs like Covid. Germ warfare.

  3. CHRIS57 profile image61
    CHRIS57posted 14 months ago

    Ok, other sites and sources say 725.000 to 1.100.000 mosquito borne disease related deaths/year. Among those a fraction is attributed to Malaria. Probably boils down to the numbers i mentioned earlier. Covid is a different beast than Malaria, but who cares, your immune system will battle any of them diseases. Mine does not, i better got a shot, when available.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Immunity to the coronavirus remains a mystery. Scientists are trying to crack the case.

      Must be the first case in human history nobody can figure out. Except Governments, bankster, pharmaceutical, high technology and us throwing all our money and resources at.

  4. Valeant profile image88
    Valeantposted 14 months ago

    Sweden, population 10.23 million.  Covid deaths: 14,657

    Comparable countries:
    Finland, half of Sweden's population at 5.518 million.  Covid deaths:  985
    Norway, also half of Sweden's population at 5.38 million.  Covid deaths:  804

    Maybe 7x the death rate of neighboring countries is seen as better to some.  Not to me.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Didn't say Sweden was one best records for Covid death. Just the better half of Europe. Where ever there is less population usually the Covid death are better per capita. A few parts in the Pacific ocean countries have no cases of Covid.

 
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