Is Anarchism Politics?

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   Nathanvilleposted 3 years ago

   There is only one anarchist who I personally know (not mentioning any names his username begins with the word ‘castle’) and yesterday he wrote on one of my forums, to quote:-
   
   “Whatever the Government says to do, I do the opposite. No politicians make very little sense. I base my life on good sense because I'm an anarchist.”
   
   Anarchism is a philosophy that I can’t fathom or understand, so I would like to have a better understanding of what makes them tick?

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      tsmogposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      From what I understand at this time an anarchist is agaist any heirarchy. So, in essence a utopian society. In one way it is an oxymoron since to not have any heiarchy means there can't be a leader or leadership. Thus, no followers.

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         Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks, for you insight; so if I understand correctly, anarchists don't believe in law and order, so if they had their way their actions would bring about chaos rather than the utopian society they strive for?

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            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Found your utopia yet?
            
            Anarchist make simply rules for anyone can follow. Been to a few anarchist communities in North America and found they were the most organized, non violence, and most loving human being I've ever known.

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               Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Actually Castlepaloma I do have my utopia, in the loose sense; I’m retired on a good pension, I own my own house, I lead a stress free life spending my spare time doing things I want to do such as grow my own fresh organic fruit and veg in our back garden, and be constructive in my workshop (DIY); and now the pandemic is over in the UK we’re back to taking three holidays (week long vacations) a year, and day trips, to places where we want to go for R&R (rest and relaxation) e.g. sun bathing on the beach, touring ancient monuments and castles, and visiting wildlife sanctuaries etc.  What more do I want or need out of life; the answer is nothing, because I’ve got what I worked for all my life.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Now your job is spending wasted energy of fear mongering of a small nasty flu vaccines.

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     - well, he's volunteering. He is doing his part in saving us from killing each other with our very breaths.
                     I guess we should be thanking him.

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                     Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     No more than you are fear mongering, trying to discourage other people from getting the vaccination.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        Frankly, I am for depopulations of the mass psychosis of people lo the world. By the billionaires who never stop of ways of killing people. Only thing, my family souls are not for sale. I don't force anyone into anything or anyhow like your greedy masters. Also will not attempt fearing anyone into anything. Just presenting ideas that work well for us locally in hopes for global. .No use, only when the masses get sick and tired of their assume masters will positive things will change.

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                           Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           You’ve got a long wait then Castlepaloma, no one forces me into anything because there are no greedy masters trying to depopulate the world; that’s just phoney that you’ve been fed by your anarchist masters like Jeff Berwick.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              At least 2 to four years more of vaccines genocides before the people wake up.

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                                 Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 Sorry Castlepaloma, but you’re going to be disappointed because the vaccines are saving lives; so the world disorder that you and your fellow anarchists are waiting for isn’t going to happen.

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            tsmogposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I think you are right in a sense with the reading I have done since replying earlier. Law and Order's legitimacy is because its authority is from the state. They believe the state represents power and authority, which is true, and is an oppressor. It doesn't matter if the state is given power through the people such as seen with the Declaration of Independence and Constitution in the U.S or a monarchy.
            
            Back to the question of the OP; "Is Anarchism Politics?" It isn't politics, but it is in politics. There is discussion that any dissent of the state is anarchism at work. So, today, in the U.S. Republicans can be seen as anarchists while the state is the Democrats power structure of the state seen with control of two branches of government. Or, the BLM movement against the racist white power structure can be seen as anarchist. Or, the Qanon followers are anarchist. Even vegans against any form of an animal product. In essence we all may have some of the philosophical qualities of anarchism when we oppose an authority with power seen as oppressing, which can spill into politics. Why even the rebellious two year old or teenager.
            
            However, I may have that wrong while still reading. Currently I am reading an article Anarchism at Stanford University. So, far just skimmed looking at the Politics portion of it.

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Libertarian is the closest. Politics forum used by anarchist.

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               Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks tsmog.  Wow, that’s a perspective I hadn’t considered; that’ll give me something to mull over for a while.  You’re certainly studying an interesting (integral) topic; and I look forward to reading more of your knowledge and wisdom in due course.
               
               Thanks again for your insights.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Ha ha

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmm.. Hidden my name so well.
      
      Basic anarchist is basically stands for arch where no person is below me or above me. Systems centralized are most extreme at that, also greater than any other time, in my lifetime.
      
      Don't like labels although if someone calls me an atheist it's acceptable. Good sense is not based any group ego or continue us against them.

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      Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Within the structures that are able to exist outside of anarchism, sure, anarchism is able to be political. However, if anarchy had its way, it is nothing more than a social system of complete voluntary freedom. By its own definition anarchism cannot be political, and this is because politics requires coercion, force, and other factors that go against anarchism. 
      
      I also don't care what that individual claims they are, because their arguments regularly show a strict adherence to rigid ideals. Anarchism is all about anti-coercion, but the so-called anarchist would gladly force those in power out by way of spreading misinformation, or perhaps even something along the lines of a government coup. An anarchist can exist at the individual level, and only purely if they live completely outside of society without interacting.
      
      I've come to find that most self-proclaimed anarchists are so militantly against any form of current government and governing choices that they have no one else to identify with, and so they choose, "anarchy," as a title. These same individuals also seem to always lose traction in public discourse, because the in-fighting from a disdain of authority always leads to failure.
      
      This is, of course, a subjective take on the matter based in my experience and cannot accurately measure things other than what I've observed on the surface.

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         The circle of anarchist that I know of, run them like a family and govern as such. The world is my family. Very much into social society and the greatest entrenure I know of. The wealthy powers to be want exclusive powers of Government. They don't mask or distance or lockdown that's their double standard. All I want like them is privately to my work and physical body choices.

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            CHRIS57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Be careful using "family" in context to anarchy.
            
            A family is always structured hierarchically. One name and all stand behind this name. Relations are bidirectional. Obey to the head of the family and expect to be taken care and assisted in your needs.
            
            Where does anarchy fit in?

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Second most important thing in a person life is family after ones self. Most of one self is a individual independent happiness Destiny come from self. About 35% happiness come inheritance and tree of family.
               
               About 10% uncontrolable are situation like living Iraq or US or some dictatorship one can avoid, yet most do not. Right now it's.  COVID 19 mark of the beast. Mass psychosis plandemic worst than any natural disaster reaching far greater places than anytime in human history.
               
               Individualism anarchist is what we were born as and always will be.
               Not born as salvery from dictatorship.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  https://youtu.be/4d5HQxRbcQQ
                  Mass psychosis of the covaid cult

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                     Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     The main star of the video is Jeff Berwick, a millionaire and a Canadian Anarcho-capitalist activist, who’s currently plugging his latest book “The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire”; so it’s not what I would call a reliable source of information.

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            Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            What?

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         Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Kyler, very informative; it given me plenty of ‘food for thought’ to chew over.
         
         I’m guessing, from what you say, that’s why Castlepaloma lives off grid in a small isolated community in a remote part of Canada?

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            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I've been connecting with Jeff for the last 10 years.
            Everything he has said and predicted has come true. He is an example of someone in a state of well being and very informed.
            
            Cities are far more dangerous and full of illness greater than anytime ever before.
            My family and I have designed and fully prepared to stay unvaccinated.

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               Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Don’t exaggerate Castlepaloma, the ‘Wild West’ in America from 1607 to 1920 wasn’t exactly a picnic; and cities in Britain during the early Victorian period, especially London was far more dangerous and full of illness far greater than today’s urban life - If you’re going to make a claim, then at least be factual about it.
               
               Yep, I know that you have no intention of being vaccinated; that’s your choice if you want to gamble with your life and take the risk.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Not talking about odd horrible hot spot of destruction and disaster in history.
                  
                  No time in  human history such combined fear, suicide, poverty, job lost, home slavery, isolation, stolen freedom, world dictatorship, protesters, stopped travel, care for love ones, conflicting worldwide, wealthy record profits making and so on and horrified stories. Towards more cities and to more places over one single thing. That ever has cause so fast rapid depression and waste of energy over more BS on so little deaths in entire human history
                  
                  Name one single Thing?
                  Like comparing sharks deaths to masquitoes deaths.

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                     Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Castlepaloma, you're obviously not familiar with British Victorian History, everything you describe was far worse then than now:-
                     
                     •    Common deadly disease in Victorian Britain included consumption, BT, Cholera, Typhoid, Smallpox and Scarlet Fever. 
                     
                     •    Child mortality in Victorian Britain was 33%.
                     
                     •    Suicides reached its peak in Britain in 1988, not now as you would like to believe.
                     
                     •    Poverty was far greater in Britain prior to the establishment of the Welfare State in 1948.
                     
                     •    Unemployment in Britain was at its height in the ‘Great Depression’ in the 1930; currently, now that life is returning to normal in Britain, post pandemic, unemployment is actually very low; just 4.8%.
                     
                     •    With the equality laws, and emancipation, Home slavery is largely a thing of the past, no longer is the wife the slave to the kitchen like there were pre-war (2nd world war); in actual fact in our home, since my retirement, I’ve become the househusband, I’m the one who does all the cleaning and cooking; and I enjoy it.
                     
                     •    You’re the one in isolation, because that’s what you’ve chosen; while now in Britain (post pandemic) I am now socialising again, getting out and about and meeting friends again.
                     
                     •    Yep, international travel is currently restricted, while we still have a worldwide pandemic; but things are easing across Europe, and increasingly the UK is putting more countries on the green list e.g. unrestricted travel if vaccinated or negative covid test within previous 48 hours.
                     
                     •    In England, with all covid restrictions having been abolished as from 19th July, relatives can once again freely visit their loved ones in care homes.
                     
                     •    What do you mean by “conflicting worldwide”?
                     
                     •    “Wealthy record profits” is all part of your conspiracy theory that Bill Gates and the 1% wealthiest people are using the pandemic to orchestrate world control; that I take with ‘a pinch of salt’.
                     
                     •    Yep, the horrified stories of the death and devastation caused by covid is abound, you only need to look at countries like Brazil and India to see that. 
                     
                     •    And I wouldn’t call 4.37 million covid related deaths “so little deaths”; to me that death toll is a tragedy.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        Still way all over the map with hot spots and dates of horrified events and places over on single thing like Covid.
                        
                        A close maybe loosely was the British Empire of control reaching to 90% of the planet at one time.
                        
                        Nothing like pro fake wrestling tag team of wealthy megalomaniacs ever assembled. No time in history has a wealthy club has ever spread so much control and fear to every human  being and so rapidly the the owners of Covid world order normal in every continent. The 9/11 was a very weak attempt in comparison

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                           Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Yeah, there are hot spots around the world; it’s not called a pandemic for nothing.
                           
                           I wish you wouldn’t be so sloppy with your research.  FYI the British Empire’s control never reached 90% of the planet; at its height the British Empire reached 25% of the world’s land mass, and 23% of the world’s population.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              Even today about Queen has 6.6 billion acres of land, one-sixth of the earth's land surface.
                              
                              They didn't own just controled one time 90% of the earth. In Canada courtrooms often enough people are fighting her Majesty Queen.

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                                 Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 Castlepaloma, sorry to disappoint you but the 6.6 billion acres that you claim is land owned by the Queen is part of conspiracy theory that was created in the ‘Insider’ publication on the 18th March 2011; so it’s all fabricated lies.
                                 
                                 In Actual fact, if you do your research properly you’d learn that the Queen only owns land consisting of around 106,000 hectares (263,000 acres) mostly across the UK, only these days.
                                 
                                 In fact, for your information, contrary to your claims in previous debates on this subject, the Queen does not have any control or reap any personal revenue from the land she owns.
                                 
                                 All the lands she owns belongs to ‘The Crown Estate’ which was established in 1760 by King George III when he handed all his wealth and debts to Parliament in exchange for an annual income paid by Parliament, as a way of getting out of debt and avoiding the embarrassment of debt.
                                 
                                 Since that time the Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown' e.g. it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne.  However, it is not the private property of the monarch, and it cannot be sold by the monarch, nor do revenues from it belong to the monarch.
                                 
                                 The Government also does not own The Crown Estate.  It is managed by an independent organisation, established by statute, headed by a Board (also known as The Crown Estate Commissioners) and the surplus revenue from the estate is paid each year to the Treasury for the benefit of the nation's finances.
                                 
                                 I don’t know where you get the idea that the British Empire once owned 90% of the earth; I guess another conspiracy theory that you’ve bought into.  But please ‘fact check’ your claims and no more conspiracy theories please.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        A 4.3 million drop in the bucket of deaths worldwide.
                        
                        A 0.005 drop of sky is falling chicken Little running around with his head cut off fear mongering. Only to harm the immune system in order to depopulate earth and make a great of deal of wealthy world record profits.
                        I feel so sorry I can't give more of my soul to the government God's and their wealthy sponsors.
                        ...,......not lol.

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                           Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorry Castlepaloma but I don’t take the death of 4.37 million people (to date and still rising) as lightly as you do; which is why I support the covid vaccinations, which can saves lives, and is saving lives.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              I take 10 other higher death annual rate viruses or disease much more seriously.
                              
                              Big Pharma, will be so happy a-s bs to steal you money.
                              
                              The Mexican President is on to them.

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                                 Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 Sorry Castlepaloma but as usual, you are wrong.  In the UK in 2020 Covid was the leading cause of death.
                                 
                                 In 2020 the 5 leading causes of deaths in England and Wales, in percentage of all deaths registered were:-
                                 
                                 •    Covid = 12.1% of all deaths (73,766 deaths)
                                 •    Dementia and Alzheimer = 11.5% of all deaths (70.047 deaths)
                                 •    Ischaemic Heart diseases = 9.2% of all deaths (55,807 deaths)
                                 •    Cerebrovascular diseases = 4.9% of all deaths (29,737 deaths)
                                 •    Malignant Neoplasm of Trachea, Bronchus and Lung = 4.7% of all deaths (28,745 deaths)
                                 
                                 Also, as usual you totally ignore the fact that the AstraZeneca Oxford University vaccine, which is the prime covid vaccine used in the UK, is being sold at cost (at just $4 per dose), so FYI the British AstraZeneca Pharmaceutical is NOT making any money on the vaccine, and it’s not costing me anything because the vaccines are given to the public free.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        Have to hand it to Nathan, your well trained by your real owners.
                        Such as Greatest plan yet, I've seen for depopulations the earth and to clean up the environment . Also  pharmaceutical frauds is making a  killing and Banks hiding the currency collapse worldwide shell game.
                        The State gets to play God, in between. Collecting social security from 95% over 50 age covid deaths.
                        
                        What's wrong with any of this anyways?
                        Win win for all our owners and we get nothing and we will be happy..
                        
                        Sheep dogs barking madd at their shleeps. Foxes guarding the hen houses. Many chicken littles running around yelling the COVID IS FALLING!!!
                        
                        That is no way, I would run a beautiful and organic farm.

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            Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            His personal reasons for the things he does are inconsistent, so I wouldn't even want to speculate as to the motivations behind them. All I know is that it would have to be a very loose, edgy interpretation of anarchism to be considered anarchism.

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               Nathanvilleposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks Kyler, I understand, that makes sense.

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