Is Anarchism Politics?

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  1. Nathanville profile image91
    Nathanvilleposted 13 months ago

    There is only one anarchist who I personally know (not mentioning any names his username begins with the word ‘castle’) and yesterday he wrote on one of my forums, to quote:-

    “Whatever the Government says to do, I do the opposite. No politicians make very little sense. I base my life on good sense because I'm an anarchist.”

    Anarchism is a philosophy that I can’t fathom or understand, so I would like to have a better understanding of what makes them tick?

    1. tsmog profile image79
      tsmogposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      From what I understand at this time an anarchist is agaist any heirarchy. So, in essence a utopian society. In one way it is an oxymoron since to not have any heiarchy means there can't be a leader or leadership. Thus, no followers.

      1. Nathanville profile image91
        Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Thanks, for you insight; so if I understand correctly, anarchists don't believe in law and order, so if they had their way their actions would bring about chaos rather than the utopian society they strive for?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Found your utopia yet?

          Anarchist make simply rules for anyone can follow. Been to a few anarchist communities in North America and found they were the most organized, non violence, and most loving human being I've ever known.

          1. Nathanville profile image91
            Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Actually Castlepaloma I do have my utopia, in the loose sense; I’m retired on a good pension, I own my own house, I lead a stress free life spending my spare time doing things I want to do such as grow my own fresh organic fruit and veg in our back garden, and be constructive in my workshop (DIY); and now the pandemic is over in the UK we’re back to taking three holidays (week long vacations) a year, and day trips, to places where we want to go for R&R (rest and relaxation) e.g. sun bathing on the beach, touring ancient monuments and castles, and visiting wildlife sanctuaries etc.  What more do I want or need out of life; the answer is nothing, because I’ve got what I worked for all my life.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Now your job is spending wasted energy of fear mongering of a small nasty flu vaccines.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
                Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                - well, he's volunteering. He is doing his part in saving us from killing each other with our very breaths.
                I guess we should be thanking him.

              2. Nathanville profile image91
                Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                No more than you are fear mongering, trying to discourage other people from getting the vaccination.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Frankly, I am for depopulations of the mass psychosis of people lo the world. By the billionaires who never stop of ways of killing people. Only thing, my family souls are not for sale. I don't force anyone into anything or anyhow like your greedy masters. Also will not attempt fearing anyone into anything. Just presenting ideas that work well for us locally in hopes for global. .No use, only when the masses get sick and tired of their assume masters will positive things will change.

                  1. Nathanville profile image91
                    Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    You’ve got a long wait then Castlepaloma, no one forces me into anything because there are no greedy masters trying to depopulate the world; that’s just phoney that you’ve been fed by your anarchist masters like Jeff Berwick.

        2. tsmog profile image79
          tsmogposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I think you are right in a sense with the reading I have done since replying earlier. Law and Order's legitimacy is because its authority is from the state. They believe the state represents power and authority, which is true, and is an oppressor. It doesn't matter if the state is given power through the people such as seen with the Declaration of Independence and Constitution in the U.S or a monarchy.

          Back to the question of the OP; "Is Anarchism Politics?" It isn't politics, but it is in politics. There is discussion that any dissent of the state is anarchism at work. So, today, in the U.S. Republicans can be seen as anarchists while the state is the Democrats power structure of the state seen with control of two branches of government. Or, the BLM movement against the racist white power structure can be seen as anarchist. Or, the Qanon followers are anarchist. Even vegans against any form of an animal product. In essence we all may have some of the philosophical qualities of anarchism when we oppose an authority with power seen as oppressing, which can spill into politics. Why even the rebellious two year old or teenager.

          However, I may have that wrong while still reading. Currently I am reading an article Anarchism at Stanford University. So, far just skimmed looking at the Politics portion of it.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Libertarian is the closest. Politics forum used by anarchist.

          2. Nathanville profile image91
            Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks tsmog.  Wow, that’s a perspective I hadn’t considered; that’ll give me something to mull over for a while.  You’re certainly studying an interesting (integral) topic; and I look forward to reading more of your knowledge and wisdom in due course.

            Thanks again for your insights.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Ha ha

    2. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Hmmm.. Hidden my name so well.

      Basic anarchist is basically stands for arch where no person is below me or above me. Systems centralized are most extreme at that, also greater than any other time, in my lifetime.

      Don't like labels although if someone calls me an atheist it's acceptable. Good sense is not based any group ego or continue us against them.

    3. Kyler J Falk profile image89
      Kyler J Falkposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Within the structures that are able to exist outside of anarchism, sure, anarchism is able to be political. However, if anarchy had its way, it is nothing more than a social system of complete voluntary freedom. By its own definition anarchism cannot be political, and this is because politics requires coercion, force, and other factors that go against anarchism. 

      I also don't care what that individual claims they are, because their arguments regularly show a strict adherence to rigid ideals. Anarchism is all about anti-coercion, but the so-called anarchist would gladly force those in power out by way of spreading misinformation, or perhaps even something along the lines of a government coup. An anarchist can exist at the individual level, and only purely if they live completely outside of society without interacting.

      I've come to find that most self-proclaimed anarchists are so militantly against any form of current government and governing choices that they have no one else to identify with, and so they choose, "anarchy," as a title. These same individuals also seem to always lose traction in public discourse, because the in-fighting from a disdain of authority always leads to failure.

      This is, of course, a subjective take on the matter based in my experience and cannot accurately measure things other than what I've observed on the surface.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        The circle of anarchist that I know of, run them like a family and govern as such. The world is my family. Very much into social society and the greatest entrenure I know of. The wealthy powers to be want exclusive powers of Government. They don't mask or distance or lockdown that's their double standard. All I want like them is privately to my work and physical body choices.

        1. CHRIS57 profile image61
          CHRIS57posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Be careful using "family" in context to anarchy.

          A family is always structured hierarchically. One name and all stand behind this name. Relations are bidirectional. Obey to the head of the family and expect to be taken care and assisted in your needs.

          Where does anarchy fit in?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Second most important thing in a person life is family after ones self. Most of one self is a individual independent happiness Destiny come from self. About 35% happiness come inheritance and tree of family.

            About 10% uncontrolable are situation like living Iraq or US or some dictatorship one can avoid, yet most do not. Right now it's.  COVID 19 mark of the beast. Mass psychosis plandemic worst than any natural disaster reaching far greater places than anytime in human history.

            Individualism anarchist is what we were born as and always will be.
            Not born as salvery from dictatorship.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              https://youtu.be/4d5HQxRbcQQ
              Mass psychosis of the covaid cult

              1. Nathanville profile image91
                Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                The main star of the video is Jeff Berwick, a millionaire and a Canadian Anarcho-capitalist activist, who’s currently plugging his latest book “The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire”; so it’s not what I would call a reliable source of information.

        2. Kyler J Falk profile image89
          Kyler J Falkposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          What?

      2. Nathanville profile image91
        Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Thanks Kyler, very informative; it given me plenty of ‘food for thought’ to chew over.

        I’m guessing, from what you say, that’s why Castlepaloma lives off grid in a small isolated community in a remote part of Canada?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I've been connecting with Jeff for the last 10 years.
          Everything he has said and predicted has come true. He is an example of someone in a state of well being and very informed.

          Cities are far more dangerous and full of illness greater than anytime ever before.
          My family and I have designed and fully prepared to stay unvaccinated.

          1. Nathanville profile image91
            Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Don’t exaggerate Castlepaloma, the ‘Wild West’ in America from 1607 to 1920 wasn’t exactly a picnic; and cities in Britain during the early Victorian period, especially London was far more dangerous and full of illness far greater than today’s urban life - If you’re going to make a claim, then at least be factual about it.

            Yep, I know that you have no intention of being vaccinated; that’s your choice if you want to gamble with your life and take the risk.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Not talking about odd horrible hot spot of destruction and disaster in history.

              No time in  human history such combined fear, suicide, poverty, job lost, home slavery, isolation, stolen freedom, world dictatorship, protesters, stopped travel, care for love ones, conflicting worldwide, wealthy record profits making and so on and horrified stories. Towards more cities and to more places over one single thing. That ever has cause so fast rapid depression and waste of energy over more BS on so little deaths in entire human history

              Name one single Thing?
              Like comparing sharks deaths to masquitoes deaths.

              1. Nathanville profile image91
                Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Castlepaloma, you're obviously not familiar with British Victorian History, everything you describe was far worse then than now:-

                •    Common deadly disease in Victorian Britain included consumption, BT, Cholera, Typhoid, Smallpox and Scarlet Fever. 

                •    Child mortality in Victorian Britain was 33%.

                •    Suicides reached its peak in Britain in 1988, not now as you would like to believe.

                •    Poverty was far greater in Britain prior to the establishment of the Welfare State in 1948.

                •    Unemployment in Britain was at its height in the ‘Great Depression’ in the 1930; currently, now that life is returning to normal in Britain, post pandemic, unemployment is actually very low; just 4.8%.

                •    With the equality laws, and emancipation, Home slavery is largely a thing of the past, no longer is the wife the slave to the kitchen like there were pre-war (2nd world war); in actual fact in our home, since my retirement, I’ve become the househusband, I’m the one who does all the cleaning and cooking; and I enjoy it.

                •    You’re the one in isolation, because that’s what you’ve chosen; while now in Britain (post pandemic) I am now socialising again, getting out and about and meeting friends again.

                •    Yep, international travel is currently restricted, while we still have a worldwide pandemic; but things are easing across Europe, and increasingly the UK is putting more countries on the green list e.g. unrestricted travel if vaccinated or negative covid test within previous 48 hours.

                •    In England, with all covid restrictions having been abolished as from 19th July, relatives can once again freely visit their loved ones in care homes.

                •    What do you mean by “conflicting worldwide”?

                •    “Wealthy record profits” is all part of your conspiracy theory that Bill Gates and the 1% wealthiest people are using the pandemic to orchestrate world control; that I take with ‘a pinch of salt’.

                •    Yep, the horrified stories of the death and devastation caused by covid is abound, you only need to look at countries like Brazil and India to see that. 

                •    And I wouldn’t call 4.37 million covid related deaths “so little deaths”; to me that death toll is a tragedy.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Still way all over the map with hot spots and dates of horrified events and places over on single thing like Covid.

                  A close maybe loosely was the British Empire of control reaching to 90% of the planet at one time.

                  Nothing like pro fake wrestling tag team of wealthy megalomaniacs ever assembled. No time in history has a wealthy club has ever spread so much control and fear to every human  being and so rapidly the the owners of Covid world order normal in every continent. The 9/11 was a very weak attempt in comparison

                  1. Nathanville profile image91
                    Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Yeah, there are hot spots around the world; it’s not called a pandemic for nothing.

                    I wish you wouldn’t be so sloppy with your research.  FYI the British Empire’s control never reached 90% of the planet; at its height the British Empire reached 25% of the world’s land mass, and 23% of the world’s population.

                2. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  A 4.3 million drop in the bucket of deaths worldwide.

                  A 0.005 drop of sky is falling chicken Little running around with his head cut off fear mongering. Only to harm the immune system in order to depopulate earth and make a great of deal of wealthy world record profits.
                  I feel so sorry I can't give more of my soul to the government God's and their wealthy sponsors.
                  ...,......not lol.

                  1. Nathanville profile image91
                    Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Sorry Castlepaloma but I don’t take the death of 4.37 million people (to date and still rising) as lightly as you do; which is why I support the covid vaccinations, which can saves lives, and is saving lives.

                3. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Have to hand it to Nathan, your well trained by your real owners.
                  Such as Greatest plan yet, I've seen for depopulations the earth and to clean up the environment . Also  pharmaceutical frauds is making a  killing and Banks hiding the currency collapse worldwide shell game.
                  The State gets to play God, in between. Collecting social security from 95% over 50 age covid deaths.

                  What's wrong with any of this anyways?
                  Win win for all our owners and we get nothing and we will be happy..

                  Sheep dogs barking madd at their shleeps. Foxes guarding the hen houses. Many chicken littles running around yelling the COVID IS FALLING!!!

                  That is no way, I would run a beautiful and organic farm.

        2. Kyler J Falk profile image89
          Kyler J Falkposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          His personal reasons for the things he does are inconsistent, so I wouldn't even want to speculate as to the motivations behind them. All I know is that it would have to be a very loose, edgy interpretation of anarchism to be considered anarchism.

          1. Nathanville profile image91
            Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks Kyler, I understand, that makes sense.

 
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