Canada Has Ruled, the people lose

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   By daring to take a stand against ridiculous COVID restrictions, via Government mandates, these truckers and all who support them, are being DEALT WITH...and we go about our day, as if it could never happen there, nor here in the States.
   This is what happens when you put Dictators in charge, you get Totalitarian government.
   Thoughts?
   https://twitter.com/KWaggonerADF/status … forms.html
   

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      Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I think it shows what can be done in today's world of digital assets and banking.
      
      I think you are correct, it can happen to anyone, the government can empty bank accounts seize assets, but this is nothing new really...
      
      What is new is that the governments of the "West" are becoming more restrictive, totalitarian, hostile towards the people they are meant to be serving.

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         GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I followed the link, and one comment spoke to your point:
         
         "This is damaging beyond what they see. Who's going to trust leaving their money in a bank now?
         
         no matter what side you're on."
         
         I think it is the last thought that is the most dangerous: no matter what side you are on.
         
         I bet the cryptocurrency guys are having a party. They could do something like financial `speakeasies' ;-)
         
         GA
         
         GA

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            abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Something has got to give GA, before everything caves!

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               Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               The Trucking revolt is just one issue among a world full of them.
               
               Some of the latest headlines:
               
               Biden braces Americans for higher energy prices if Russia invades Ukraine  *Those higher prices are coming after mid-terms anyways.
               
               Hezbollah leader boasts of drones, precision-guided missile technology
               
               UN: Yemen war escalating
               
               As Oil Nears $100, Saudis Snub U.S., Stick to Russian Pact
               
               Decade-High Food Prices Drive Poverty and Unrest in Africa
               
               Taiwan Says Chinese Mystery Plane Might Have Been Testing Defenses
               
               'Freedom convoy': Covid protests held in France and Netherlands
               
               Decision on Iran nuclear deal days away

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                  abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  No doubt, It's ugly out there Ken.
                  I have a bad feeling that things are going to escalate and get real ugly, real fast in Canada {perhaps as soon as tomorrow!} Trudeau will not back down and I can't see the truckers backing down at this point. Why would they, when nothing is being lifted...only piled upon!?
                  Doubtful it will be any better in the States, once the convoy gets under way, we will find out, when the rubber meets the road, so to speak!

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      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I have a hard time being very sympathetic to the truckers, not when they have caused harm into the millions (billions?) of dollars and directly damaged millions of people.  I don't see a lot of difference between shutting down commerce and peoples jobs and burning down public buildings.  Both directly impact both people and pocketbooks.

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Must disagree, "harm" and "damage" were done long before these truckers had their fill and took this stand,
         (BTW, cannot wait for the FreedomConvoy2022 to start in the U.S. on March 1st, it IS about time!)
         We must not be silent. If we do not stand up to abuses of power...such as this...there will be nothing left, worth standing up for!

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         This kind emergency act would also apply to Martin Luther King or Milk gay protest.
         
         Interesting that Trudeau Dad, set up the last emergency of terrorism
         The Front de libération du Québec was a militant Quebec separatist group. Founded in the early 1960s with the aim of establishing an independent and socialist Quebec through violent means, the FLQ was considered a terrorist group by the Canadian government. Justin Trudeau FLQ attempt to out vote Quebec to separate from Canada came close 50 to 49 votes. Justin is twice a traitor to Canadians. Justin doesn't respect his Dad nor brother and his mother suffered from mental illness for most of her life. He has many family issues.
         The other two emergence act was world war 1 and 2. Hardly Compares to the Canada Day holiday times ten with bouncy Ball slides, feeding free to everyone including homeless. The police chief retired and the unvaccinated police and many of the military are now on the freedom convoy side.
         Ottawa podcast was shown clearly every ethics group is there, no violence, no Confederate or Nazi false flags that where put there by plants on the first day. Only horn were too much and trucker stop that. The tyrant won the bridge boarder battle. Yet the freedom convoy will win the war. Just like Gandhi did peacefully with the British tyrant under of 600 years of their fire and wrath.

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            abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            From all that I have seen, this is a peaceful protest; like minded, hard-working lovers of freedom in solidarity, standing up to the big bullies that choose to Rule over people's lives...rather than lead!
            The majority, here in the States, admire the stand they've taken. Those that have a problem with it are people that are perfectly okay with Rulers and Dictators, they are the people that put a Trudeau, a Biden, into office in the first place.
            (although I do remember that Canada had elected a Conservative, but mysterious votes/calculations, gave it to Trudeau) Sounds familiar!!! 
            These are the people that are perfectly okay with it, when {these so-called leaders} refer to any one who doesn't fall in line AS TOLD, as racists and misogynists....the fringe! It's a pattern, it's what the left does!
            I have a whole new admiration for Canada, I am praying for the safety of these brave individuals!

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            MLK spent weeks blocking international access?  Same for access to major cities and emergency vehicles?
            
            News to me.

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               There is difference trucker convoy groups across the country.Ottawa is different than the  Border bridge crossing. Normal laws stopped the truckers blockage. Emergency act was triggered by bouncy castles and love fest in Ottawa.

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      lovetherainposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      It could easily happen anywhere
      
      Yes, even in the US
      
      We are not immune to public laziness, cowardice and stupidity
      
      Look who we voted into office

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Amen and hear, hear!
         This peaceful protest came on the heels of such mayhem and destruction at the hands of BLM and ANTIFA and other true fringe groups. It went on and on and on, resulting in looted and often closed down businesses, destroyed property, even DEATH! But, we weren't to question, we were to sit idly by and let it play out....let them get it out of their systems, even if that meant someone would end up dead in the end! Because the type of Government both Canada and the U.S. have {present day} is all about weakening our resolve and our spirit! They loved it when people were turning on their neighbors, they CAN'T HAVE people standing together with their neighbors, their co-workers, etc., holding the line against tyrannical government!!!
         
         Hardworking, typically law-abiding Canadians who have had their fill of government overreach, with families and pets in tow, MUST be made an example of!
         Truckers here in the States, have already been warned!!
         We are to pretend that nothing else has ever happened in the West, other than Jan 6 and the Canadian convoy.
         Heck yeah "even in the US", because we are be obedient, silent little sheep, good subjects, etc. People in Canada now know! Americans better get a clue and quick!

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            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            What Government can't stand most are People Uniting together. It's the job of banks and state to own us.

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      snakeslaneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Canadians, and the Canadian government are debating this issue as we speak, and many are against the invoking of the Emergency Measures Act.
      Having said that, you have clearly failed to grasp the seriousness of the situation brought about by the so called ‘Freedom  Convoy’. I suggest you do your research. Perhaps this short clip from yesterday’s parliamentary debate will give you some inkling as to what we are dealing with here in Canada.
      
      https://twitter.com/leahgazan/status/14 … 16641?s=21

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I have an "inkling" alright. Based on the words and actions of your Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister....they are wannabe Dictators!
         Time to get beyond inklings and get a clue, before it's too late for you and your countrymen!

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            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            https://www.pugetsoundradio.com/2022/01 … -cabinets/
            
            Trudeau was making me deeply concern and often talking about WEF and where we own nothing and will be happy.
            
            Now this actor/puppet has shown his true colors to the world. He won't get to destroy much longer or keep abusing Canadians.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      First of all, this does not shock me. When a government feels it has the power to force a citizen to put something into their body that they do not want --- it's not such a far jump to freezing their bank accounts.
      
      It also seems many in our society approve of this type of governing, and have no problem with such punishment for anyone who gets out of line.
      
      At any rate, hopefully, the trucker will strike. In my view, this would be very effective to bring most citizens back down to the reality that some of us are not willing to buy into totalitarian leaders.
      
      Hopefully, the truckers don't give up the good fight.

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Truth, Sharlee. I think many of us had this guy's {Trudeau's} number long ago. He has the perfect mix of ego, narcissism and power and he can't help himself.
         
         It will be interesting to see how the Biden administration handles it when the freedom convoy gets underway here in the States.
         
         I don't think they know the meaning of giving up!!
         
         Godspeed Truckers!

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      Fayetteville Fayeposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Lol also what happens when you put dictators in charge
      
      https://twitter.com/juliekhirota/status … JcAH1ueQOw
      
      Happened to be just a couple tweets below what you posted.

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Vanity Fair? Come on, you can do better than that.
         We definitely needed an adult to do something during that timeframe. Antifa and BLM were burning down federal buildings, looting businesses and worse, many people died at their hands and leftist, pathetic, so-called leaders watched it happen and did nothing.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      United States truckers are following the lead of Canadian truckers. They are on the move, honking their horns, fired up for freedom!
      Freedom is more than a desire, it's an inherent need and freedom lovers all across the world are making that perfectly clear to all who seek to rob it from them!
      God Bless Ukraine!
      God bless these truckers!
      
      
      https://youtu.be/ZEcul475J00

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   Exactly Ken and yet, no one is talking about it!
   But then, if you don't listen to talk radio or read the New York Post or tune into something besides CNN, how could you know to talk about it?

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   Readmikenowposted 3 years ago

   I admire the truckers.  They are putting their livelihoods on the line for something they believe in.  This could have ended quickly if their Prime Minister Trudeau would have met with them and listened to their concerns.  These are hard-working blue-collar workers.  They pay taxes and were responsible for saving Canada during the pandemic by hauling things that were needed.  Then, they are treated like obnoxious children to be tossed aside and ignored when they have concerns.
   
   The Canadian Prime Minister and their liberals caused this to happen.  The only way to get attention was to block those bridges.  They are making a stand against government overreach.
   
   These are brave and determined individuals willing to sacrifice for the betterment of their country.  They are more dedicated to their country than any liberal politician serving in their parliament.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Good morning Mike, I was just responding to Castle with pretty much this same message!
      
      "They are more dedicated to their country than any liberal politician serving in their parliament."
      Amen and hear, hear!!

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Trudeau under the terrorism act is there no aiding the funding and not even crypto currency. They will take away their drivers license and insurance. Now their children can be taken away from their parents. No gasoline or food and protester can be fined up to $100,000. so on and so on. We are talking Canadian, not Taliban.
      
      Miiddle east where millions of poor people and mostly woman and children were killed and thousands of Americans troops. Now the war is at our homefront. Wail it's always about money and power from centralist and bankster running the show and all wars.
      
      According to Trudeau( just this one guy.) by the emergency act anti vaxxers are extremist Terrorist, women haters, racist, homophobic, Islamophobia so on and so on, We are talking about Canadian here, where 50% of Canadain approve of the freedom convoy and only 18% of the liberal cabinet approve of Trudeau. Who is fringe minority?
      
      Looks like it's the biggest news worldwide with freedom convoys happening also worldwide all showing Canadian flags too. Our Canadiian flags are on hockey stick here. New Zealand have Rigby players doing loud ritual dance. Every country will have their thing. Thanks, Trudeau for bringing the world together again. Sorry folks,  only belong to the the optimist club.

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      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "This could have ended quickly if their Prime Minister Trudeau would have met with them and listened to their concerns."
      
      That little phrase, "listen to their concerns" has come to actually mean "do whatever they want" or "capitulate to their demands".  You can be assured that Trudeau knew their concerns.  And the concerns of the rest of the population as well.  He just didn't agree that "their concerns" took priority over everything else.

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         Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         There seems to be an increasing inability for compromise.
         
         Between nations, between parties, between the people and their government.
         
         Mandates are one example.
         
         Refusing to negotiate with Russia (telling the Russians we will give you nothing you ask and we will not recognize Crimea is not negotiations).
         
         "Revolts" are not isolated to Canada, or France (yellow vests), these are dangerous times when governments fail to negotiate with their own people, let alone nations that seem to be priming for war.

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Hard to compromise over mandates.  Either a very large portion of the country gets vaccinated or not.  If not, vaccinations will not combat a pandemic, only individual illness.
            
            Without a mandate, then, the "war" on the pandemic will be lost (IMO it will be lost anyway through mutation).  Any "compromise" for healthy people at all will result in the loss of the "war" (not vaccinating for those that cannot will still allow the fight).
            
            Again, "negotiations" with people has come to mean nothing more than "Do what I want you to".  Ukraine, for instance, means "Russia shall control what Ukraine can do", without compromise.

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               Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               The realities of this "Pandemic" is that it has become a political tool.
               
               The Super Bowl was a good example, a hundred thousand people packed together, there seem to be two conflicting realities.
               
               The second issue is how a virus works through the population, scientific and historic precedence, it gets weaker over time and people develop resistance to it.
               
               This is what happened to the Flu... no one mandates we get Flu shots (hospitals do and I think this is wrong, as they know these vaccines are only 10% effective at best)... this is what has happened to Covid, despite any fearmongering stories propagated by our media.
               
               We are in dangerous times, you may not know who Victor Davis Hanson is, or you may disagree with his viewpoints, but in regards to today I think he makes many valid points in the link below:
               
               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdkca09EHRI

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         wilderness?
         Here's my take; Trudeau has no intentions of addressing their concerns, but not for the reasons you've stated.
         He doesn't give a damn about their concerns; he may have praised them at one time, but they were never worthy of anything more...not from him! His words and actions prove my take.

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         snakeslaneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you. It is good to see a voice of reason in this thread. It’s clear to me by the comments posted here that people have not done their research, and have absolutely no grasp of the damage done by the so called ‘Freedom Convoy’ that held our nation’s capital hostage for three weeks, and shut down borders and critical supply routes in three Provinces.

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            abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Understanding what tyranny looks like and calling attention to it, can't be considered "a voice of reason"?
            Holding on to freedom isn't a simple task and sometimes it gets very ugly. These truckers and their supporters are calling attention to it!
            I admire them in their efforts and whatever direction Canada goes from this point, these protesters will be able to look in the mirror and look their children in the eye, because they dared to do something!

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

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                  abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I wonder if I could learn to drive a semi in my older age?
                  I'd be in the middle of it.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     I've learned in Ottawa from the 100s of podcaster which shine the light of reality on the properganda machine of politics and media.
                     
                     I've picked up a podcast kit for promoting my products of healthy food , freedom, affordable housing and artist veiws.
                     
                     Overworked , risky and driving corporation products around doesn't appeal to me so much.
                     Although I'm glad they did it and nobody else could have pull this mandate freedom off. Rather than a house of cards, ready for a diaper change, telling us what we must do. Being energy vampires beyond words.

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   Kenna McHughposted 3 years ago

   This is not good, and I imagine the legal system, such as attorneys, will step in and prevent this from happening. It will take time and money to correct this tyranny, but it needs to be done.
   
   My husband is a trucker, so I have some insight into this industry. It's a powerful and vital industry. They keep society running, shipping goods to every business you can imagine.
   
   Again, this is not good and is not for the people. The only way we can correct our governments is to change the people, not the government.

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Just have the Government running the small stuff, not owning our lives and bodies. Everything that is alterative is becoming illegal like medicines. Our holistic methods of medicine works in a way of an once of medicine rather than a pound of cure. Like comparing a superior immune system to guinea pig experiment vaccine that no health organizing can prove works.

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         wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Should government keep the roads clear of drunk drivers?  Parked cars?  Freeways clear of bicycles or parents with baby strollers? 
         
         Should government keep roadways clear of parked trucks, intentionally blocking roadways from use by anyone else?

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            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I've talked about some kind of world war three coming on this site, the last tens years. Ive been Prepare for it with eco off grid living. green community. So I don't have do front line crushed. I'm the second line of defense. The truckers stopped the horn and they are legally there to protest. Trudeau keeps provoking violence from anyone and the crowd keep telling them to stand down. They are not harming anyone or wavimg flase Nazi flags. Trudeau is the fattest liar ever.
            
            And most significantly, if you resist taking the vaccines, you are that most felonious and vile of human beings; you are Justin Trudeau’s villain of the moment: an anti-vaxxer. I'm not anti anything, yet tyrants must be removed from owning our bodies and spirit. It's completely unacceptable to be anti me from anyone even the the tyrant king of Canada. Just one guy is on the wrong side of the law and wrong side of history.

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               wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               From your reply I assume you think it is fine if someone intentionally blocks international access, blocks access to cities and blocks emergency vehicle operation.
               
               Is that only when they cause is just in your eyes, or is it for everyone, including "protests" that you find obnoxious or just plain wrong?  Is it fine to picnic on the freeway, shutting it down, perhaps in protest against eating meat?  Would it be fine to party and dance alcohol free in the streets in front of fire stations to protest the use of alcohol?  Just as important, is it fine to do these things for, say, 30 days (and nights) at a stretch?
               
               Or is it only those causes that you approve of?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm saying, it's not my style because I always think ahead with plans A,B and C . So Nobody can steal or murders my work, art lifestyle and physical health and so nobody owns me.
                  
                  What ever these truckers are doing to the Government and public. The protester have shown a far greater happiness hugging , kissing and loving each other again than I've ever seen in Canada. With a few sad sour puss on the side. The Government has done 10 time worst tyranny to Canadian. Two years of  Mass suicides , homelessness , increase crimes, poverty, social separation and discrimination far greater than ever I've Experienced in my life history in Canada, Enough is enough of this  horrible suffering.

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                     wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Most people are happy when they get what they want.  Not sure that the "means justifies the methods" is a good rule to live by though.  In fact I'm darn sure it is not a good rule to live by.
                     
                     Saw on the news that those truckers have cost people over $300,000,000 in direct costs and more than that in indirect costs such as people losing the livelihood because of those yahoos.

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                        abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        What is the price tag for freedom?

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                           abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           In 2013, Trudeau stated that he admires China's dictatorship.
                           Apparently!!!
                           But, don't dare take a stand to keep your Country from becoming China-like...it might inconvenience someone!

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                           wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Blood.  Sometimes our own, sometimes that of others.  Hopefully not the blood of those that have no stake in our contest - when that happens it is called "terrorism".

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                              abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              In 2013, Trudeau stated that he admires China's dictatorship.
                              Apparently!!!
                              But, don't dare take a stand to keep your Country from becoming China-like...it might inconvenience someone or worse, your might get labeled!

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                                 wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 You might at that.  You might get the label of "anarchist" where you get to ignore existing laws and simply do as you wish whether it harms others or not.
                                 
                                 In the topic case, there are relatively simple laws concerning the use of roads.  Laws that were completely flouted, resulting in great harm to people of another country that have no stake in the argument. 
                                 
                                 The question becomes, in my mind, are we a country of law and order or a country where you are allowed to do as you please because you feel your cause is just?  Whether others agree or not, you feel it is and thus are not subject to the law.
                                 
                                 Like it or not, that is the root of so called "civil disobedience" and has caused enormous harm to huge numbers of people over the years.  While we lay back and ignore it in favor of enforcing the same laws on others.

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                                    abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                    Not as much harm as ruthless dictators.

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                           Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           The price for North Americains body, freedom and soul ' Only cost $300,000,000. That is billions times better deal than when the American natives sold Manhattan for $24.
                           
                           The whole Trudeau family has a  history of a whole deep relationships with communism Tyrants  from China to Cuba and a mystery father. I don't expect the emergency  act has any merit from a mass of deadly forces from bouncy castles, love fest, and the happiest group of Canadian I've ever seen in my life.
                           
                           Trudeau won the battle of the main boarder bridge, far from winning the war.
                           Now bring in the killer clowns. lol.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Amen Kenna, it is not good! These mandates need to end, enough already!
      I worry about what is going to happen next, when neither side is ready to budge. It has remained a peaceful protest {in every sense of the phrase} and if Police go in too aggressively it could get ugly, fast!
      Thanks to your husband, please let him know how appreciated he is.

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   Definitely with overreaching, tyrannical Government, that's the case. Elections have serious consequences.

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   True colors on display throughout the Country.
   This is messed up, I am running out of descriptions.
   
   https://www.rt.com/news/550048-ottawa-m … ll-trucks/

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Trudeau plans is to make this emergency act permanent.  I hope he gets tared and feathed and thrown into a funny farm. Then not sent back to his three kids, unless his behavior changes or a cured from being a tyrant

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