Hey, Have What's Happening At The Border? Nothing Good

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image89
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago


    "With all of America's other pressing problems, we may want to keep an eye on what is going on at our southern border. In April  2022 we had once again a record-breaking number of encounters 234,000. It is expected that for May we will far surpass April's numbers.  https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sout … _entity=en

    Rep. Buddy Carter, R-Ga., unpacked his visit to the southern border, emphasizing the ongoing crisis the Biden administration is "ignoring." On "Fox & Friends Weekend," Carter urged President Biden to take action to "turn off the tap" flooding the southern border and American communities.

    "REP BUDDY CARTER: Well, unfortunately, I was hoping that I would see improvements, but I didn't see any improvement whatsoever. Still overcrowding. Still, the Border Patrol agents are overwhelmed. One of them described it as being like working with a bucket in front of a fire hydrant. Don't send anymore buckets. Turn off the tap! That's what needs to happen. But instead, the Biden administration are just enabling this by essentially ignoring the situation. As we all know, Joe Biden has never been to the border, not as a vice president, not as a senator, not as president. And he doesn't understand. He hasn't seen what I've seen and what others who have been down to the border have seen. And that is really one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world right now. "
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/bidens-bo … ddy-carter

    So, while we are diverted to the problem of  Roe v Wade being overturned and the need for new gun reform, we have heard little about what is going on at the southern border.  I wonder what effect the influx of migrants will do on our ever-rising inflation?

    Any concerns?

    1. Olealea profile image72
      Olealeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think all politicians like Joe Biden doesn't really care about the outside world.  They want to maintain their status with popularity. That's why they tend to do what the public wants them to do.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image89
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        You hit the nail on the head... Agree

    2. tsmog profile image84
      tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I have a great interest and concern of the border issue living only an hour drive from it here in the San Diego county area. We see on local news illegal immigration in the news, yet it is more by boat than over the wall. Rarely are there segments about crossing the border in Imperial county where the wall does not exist.

      I went on a look about for more info discovering a very interesting article about the illegal immigration problem. Interestingly it says there are two things occurring; Long waves transpiring over say ten years and short spikes we are encountering now. Those are coming from the Northern Triangle; Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.

      I found answers to questions and interestingly not what I thought they would be. For instance, one answer they share for the short spikes is:

      "Unlike the drivers of long-wave migration, however, many of the root causes of these short spikes can be directly addressed by U.S. policy. Risk and instability, not a generalized lack of opportunity, give rise to these sudden surges. The United States can therefore alleviate short-spike pressures by helping reduce the risk of weather shocks, food insecurity, and gang violence in Northern Triangle countries, whether through cooperating with governments in the region, directly assisting civil society, or partnering with international agencies and the private sector."

      That leaves me wondering if the Biden administration is seeking to address that or not with Harris supposedly taking the helm. I dun'no . . . Obviously, the border patrol is overwhelmed "Today" and not much Biden can do about that as I see it. But, he may be able to hinder the short spikes in the future, though most likely not stop them.

      I won't go into a lot of what it shared and offer the link. It may ask for your email address to finish reading the complete article as it did me. Yet, it was very much worth it. It is by Foreign Affairs June 7, 2021.

      https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles … t=20220604

  2. Stephen Tomkinson profile image90
    Stephen Tomkinsonposted 2 years ago

    You specifically mention inflation, Sharlee. Inflation is a complex phenomenon but I can't see an influx of migrants having any measurable effect.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The U.S. Border Patrol reported more than 1.6 million encounters with migrants along the U.S.-Mexico border in the 2021 fiscal year. Last month we had over 234,088 individual encounters.  And May is on its way to beating that record. 

      Here are a few highlights of the staggering costs that illegal immigration poses for the state, local, and federal budgets that will affect inflation, now, and in the coming months.  In short, illegal immigration burdens citizens, both native and immigrant, with immeasurable social and fiscal costs.

      Setting aside the legal and moral questions that shape immigration policy, a significant tax burden is imposed on citizens and legal immigrants tied to a leaky border.    Some immigrants pay taxes, but the costs of illegal immigration are comprehensive. Even after deducting what some pay in taxes paid by illegal immigrants, it is estimated that approximately 15.5 million illegal aliens reside within the United States, costing taxpayers approximately  $116  billion per year. The burden of taxes is Federal as well as the state.  About two-thirds of this amount is absorbed by local and state taxpayers, who are often the least unable to share the costs.

      One of the major drivers of the increasing costs is the 4.2 million children of migrants, who if born here, automatically become American citizens. Taxpayers are indeed on the hook for over $45 billion in state and federal education spending annually, not to mention the added burden of increased social welfare dollars. Much of the almost $30 billion in medical and assistance funding is sparked by the fact that noncitizen families in the United States are twice as likely to receive welfare payments than native-born families.

      A full half of noncitizens receive Medicaid, compared to 23 percent of native-born citizens, while almost half of noncitizens are on food stamps. Of particular concern is that noncitizens who stay in the long term are more likely to use these programs than those who just arrived. Half of the new noncitizens receive welfare, but the figure jumps to a stunning 70 percent among those who have been in the United States for more than 10 years.

    2. Olealea profile image72
      Olealeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Us is really having a hard time with a new president

  3. Stephen Tomkinson profile image90
    Stephen Tomkinsonposted 2 years ago

    Hi Sharlee,
    You quote some frightening figures that show that successive governments have thrown a lot of money at the border problem without getting anywhere near solving it.
    Now, I am not an economist and there will be more people on this forum that have a better grasp of economics than I do. But, as I understand it, government expenditure generally has little or no effect on inflation, unless that expenditure directly affects supply and demand.
    Imagine, if you will, that the government gives each citizen a voucher for a free case of beer. Everyone takes advantage of the offer and breweries can't keep up with the demand. As beer becomes hard to find, prices rise.
    It's hard for me to see how expenditure at the border and on immigrants - legal or otherwise - will add inflationary pressure to the economy.
    I am, of course, ready to learn if I am wrong.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your example of the beer is a good one, and reflects how inflation can happen.

      Extend that to illegal aliens being given money, food, housing and all the rest of it.  What happens when govt. gives them rent money?  They rent a house, driving up demand without any increase in supply.  That landlord now has additional money to buy a car with, driving up the cost of cars.  All very tiny, of course, but now multiply it by the 20 million or so illegals in the country.

      Any time govt. puts money into the country, without an equivalent increase in products/services you will see an increase in demand that is not met with an increase in supply.  Inflation is the inevitable result.

      Now if that govt. money was taken from a taxpayer, reducing that taxpayers ability to buy, then demand wouldn't rise.  But it isn't - it is taken by either simply "printing" more money or by borrowing, often from international sources.  Demand does rise, then, but not the supply of goods and services.

  4. Stephen Tomkinson profile image90
    Stephen Tomkinsonposted 2 years ago

    Wilderness, A good answer and clear. But doesn't your premise rather depend on 20 million being offered accommodation etcetera? How far is this true?
    The landlord buying a car might, in fact, drive down the unit cost of a car. Selling an extra car might increase supply to meet the extra demand.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How does selling a car provide another one to sell?  How does removing inventory somehow make another one?

      The point is that it doesn't; someone must make that other car.  Illegals consume far more resources than they produce, based on the monetary value of their consumption and production, leaving supply short. 

      Sharlee indicates that 70% of long term non-citizens (illegals) are on welfare of some sort; that means they are consuming more than they supply. 

      Keep in mind that the house example is but one example.  The same holds true for education, police, road maintenance, for everything purchased by government at all levels.  Illegal aliens do not even come close to providing new goods and services compared to what they consume.

  5. Stephen Tomkinson profile image90
    Stephen Tomkinsonposted 2 years ago

    Selling a car doesn't provide another car, of course, but it establishes a demand which is met by supply. The market then sets a price that balances supply and demand. When one of these two factors is out of kilter, inflation can result.
    Following the logic of your point, citizens such as children and pensioners represent non-productive inflationary pressure in the market. They don't.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Except that children get their money from parents...parents that are producers.  Similar for pensioners; their money comes from excess production in the past.

      But illegals do not produce as much as they consume, and govt. (handing money to them) does not take it from taxpayers but instead borrows it.  In that manner, money is injected into the economy but without equivalent production.

  6. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Remind us again which branch of government has the power to put forth immigration reform?

  7. Fayetteville Faye profile image61
    Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years ago

    if one is truly interested in immigration change, the appropriate measuring stick is not what President Biden has done  in 16 months  but what Congress has failed to do for decades: pass meaningful immigration reform. Democrats and Republicans repeatedly claim that the current immigration system is “broken” but have done absolutely nothing to fix it. 

    Immigration solutions need a long-term roadmap most appropriately developed  by Congress, not quick fixes by a president. For example, economic development and building political institutions in Central America that diminish migration pressure take time and congressional appropriations. Effective efforts cannot realistically be achieved in one year by a new president. 

    The bottom line is that the nation’s immigration issues can only be effectively addressed if Congress engages in the serious and difficult task of formulating long-term solutions and approaches that outlast any president. In a time of political polarization does anyone think that's possible?

    1. tsmog profile image84
      tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Here, Here!!!! Agreed, it is a congressional problem and always has been. As that article I linked to in another post says there are two distinct things happening; short spikes and long waves. Yet, the short spikes actually began months before we see the accounting of the spike. In other words a spike this month actually began months before and that is what needs to be studied for why.

      I'll post the article again to grasp the difference of short spikes and long waves. It did ask for an email address to read the whole article. They have not sent me any emails so far, yet I can always delete them if not interested.

      The Real Root Causes of America’s Border Crisis
      And How Biden Can Address Them

      By Foreign Affairs June 7, 2021
      https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles … t=20220604

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image76
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    What's this?

    "We, the Heads of State and Government and High Representatives, meeting in Morocco on 10 and 11 December 2018, reaffirming the New York Declaration for Refugees and Migrants and determined to make an important contribution to enhanced cooperation on international migration in all its dimensions, have adopted this Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration:
    1. This Global Compact rests on the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
    2. It also rests on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; the other core international human rights treaties1; the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, including the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons Especially Women and Children and the Protocol against the Smuggling of Migrants by Land, Sea and Air; the Slavery Convention and the Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade, and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery; the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change; the United Nations Convention to Combat Desertification; the Paris Agreement2; the International Labour Organization conventions on promoting decent work and labour migration3; as well as on the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development; the Addis Ababa Action Agenda; the Sendai Framework for Disaster Risk Reduction, and the New Urban Agenda."

    Read more:

    https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/sites/d … ration.pdf

  9. Sharlee01 profile image89
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

    In 2021, annual drug overdoses in the United States exceeded 100,000 for the first time ever. Fentanyl, which is manufactured in China and moved by the Mexican cartels, is now the leading cause of death for young Americans. U.S. Customs and Border Protection seized more than 10,000 pounds of fentanyl in FY 2021. 

    " At least 270,000 migrants have sneaked into the U.S. and burrowed into communities across the country so far this fiscal year, according to ..". https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … blic-safe/

    " CBP reports nearly half a million migrant encounters at the southern border in first quarter of new fiscal year"   https://www.borderreport.com/hot-topics … t-in-2022/

    "Unaccompanied Children

    Encounters of unaccompanied children along the southwest land border increased 21 percent, with 14,699 encounters in May compared with 12,180 in April. In May, the average number of unaccompanied children in CBP custody was 692 per day, compared with an average of 479 per day in April."
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-m … nal-update

    "The federal government expects a record surge of up to 161,000 unaccompanied minors to flood the US-Mexico border this year, according to a leaked report.

    “DHS projections call for approximately 148,000 and 161,000 [unaccompanied children] referrals to [Health and Human Services Office of Refugee Resettlement] this year,” according to an Interior Department projection obtained by the Washington Examiner.

    The report, dated January 2022, warned of “monthly projections exceeding those seen in FY 2021” — when a record-shattering 147,000 migrant children entered the US alone, without a parent or family member.

    US Customs and Border Patrol agents picked up more than 101,000 unaccompanied minors between October 2021 and May of this year, according to agency tallies — with four months still to go in the fiscal year ending September 30. The month-by-month totals in six out of those eight months have far exceeded the record numbers seen in the previous year.

    Most children who arrive alone at the border and enter the US illegally are shielded from deportation under the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act. They typically remain at HHS shelters until officials find an adult — usually a relative — in the US to take charge of their care.

    But the law has encouraged families to send kids on the dangerous journey alone, critics say, and has forced the Biden administration to scramble to safely house them.

    Biden was accused of hypocrisy when his administration reopened emergency housing facilities for migrant teens in early 2021, with some likening it to putting “kids in cages” — a policy he had denounced during the 2020 presidential campaign."
    https://nypost.com/2022/07/09/us-expect … ar-report/

    "Migrant encounters at southern border hit new record in May, as numbers keep rising
    There were 180,597 migrants encountered in May 2021 and 23,237 in May 2020"

    "The number of migrant encounters at the southern border hit a new record in May, with an overwhelming 239,416 encounters, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) announced late Wednesday -- just as officials fear that the already unprecedented numbers will keep rising through the summer months.

    The 239,416 migrant encounters eclipses the 180,597 encountered in May 2021 and the 23,237 encountered in May 2020. It is also higher than the 235,478 encountered in April 2022, which itself set a new record for encounters.

    The massive numbers came during a month in which the Biden administration sought to end expulsions under the Title 42 health order -- which were implemented during the Trump administration due to the COVID-19 pandemic and have been used to expel a majority of migrants at the border.

    The Biden administration was ultimately blocked by a federal judge from ending the order. Expulsions continued throughout May, although the percentage of those dipped -- with just 42% of those encountered expelled under the order. Of the migrants encountered, 55% of all single adults were expelled and just 17% of migrant families were expelled.

    Despite the fraction of the number of family units expelled, CBP Commissioner Chris Magnus said in a statement that: "Current restrictions at the U.S. border have not changed: single adults and families encountered at the Southwest Border will continue to be expelled, where appropriate, under Title 42."

    "As temperatures start to rise in the summer, human smugglers will continue to exploit vulnerable populations and recklessly endanger the lives of migrants for financial gain. The terrain along the Southwest Border is extreme, the summer heat is severe, and the miles of desert that migrants must hike after crossing the border are unforgiving," he said. "Our message to those who would try and gain illegal entry to the United States remains the same – don’t make the dangerous journey only to be sent back."

    Meanwhile, those numbers are just a snapshot of the crisis at the border, which has engulfed the administration since shortly after coming into office and that has overwhelmed Border Patrol agents – where morale is said to be at an all-time low.

    A high-level CBP source told Fox News that there have been 440,000 known gotaways since the fiscal year began in October -- with over 50,000 in May alone. Combined with the 400,000 known gotaways since the beginning of FY 2021, that means that more than 800,000 illegal immigrants have gotten past agents since October 2020 -- more than the entire population of Seattle.

    At the end of May, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas also urged migrants not to make the journey while conceding that agents were facing "historic" numbers at the border.

    "And numbers could rise further," Mayorkas said. "From confusion over recent court orders and as smuggle continue to peddle misinformation to make a profit: we are prepared."

    "The Biden administration is still looking to end the Title 42 health order, a move that many agents and officials believe will likely lead to a surge in the number of migrants coming to the border. However, administration officials have claimed that after a short-term surge, numbers would actually decrease over time once criminal penalties for illegal entry are reimposed and the administration shifts to expedited removal."
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/migran … record-may

    In my view, this is an unbelievable unexcitable situation, and all being underplayed and ignored by the Biden Bunch.

  10. Sharlee01 profile image89
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

    Massive group of hundreds of migrants streams across southern border as crisis intensifies
    There were more than 13,000 migrant crossings in Del Rio Sector in a seven-day period.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/massiv … ntensifies


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