The Making of a "Perfect Storm"

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   Credence2posted 15 months ago

   Righties and conservatives are so confident that the Democrat will have to endure a rout this fall. Not so fast, maybe not.
   
   I am hoping that the Supreme Court overturns Roe vs Wade just to witness the pandemonium, helter-skelter that will result between blue and red states over the rights of the residents of the latter in pursuing legal abortions within the former. The patchwork disasters and the implications surroundings women's rights within this society just might compel many to carefully consider who to vote for this fall.
   
   https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05 … ients.html
   
   
   Then there is double jeopardy. I am pretty confident that as a minimum, Trump, as a result of the J6 committee determination, will be barred from running for public office.
   So now, I will watch Republicans scramble to determine who will be their heir apparent in the face of its recently deposed king. Whose ring does his syncophants and understudies have to kiss now? In all the confusion, whatever influence that the GOP has now can be watered down to an innocuous level. Any more rabble rousing from Trump's advocates that crosses the line like it did on that January 6th day should and must be dealt with with the greatest severity.
   
   So, don't count your chickens quite yet, Rightwinger.
   
   Remember that you heard it here first from the 50,000 watt voice from the Left...

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      Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Can't afford chickens due to Biden's failing economy. I say the economy sinks the Dem's in the 2022 midterms and any candidate the Dem's run in 2024.

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         Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

         Very funny, thanks for your imput, Sharlee.  I guess we will
         find out which one of us eat crow, or is it chicken, this fall.

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      GA Andersonposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      I think I see your point; you want to ignite your base. That's understandable. But the zeal behind your word choices, ("pandemonium, helter-skelter ", Red states vs. Blue states, (a battle?)), implies a passion that is typically expressed in rhetoric of hyperbole, or even bombast.
      
      Generally, the intensive use of labels, (particularly ones intended to convey negative connotations), has also been noted as a 'check box' found in other matching 'hyperbolic' personality types. All in all, it fits with other determinations, (again, based on your word choice), regarding the validity of the emotional drive behind the zeal shown in the construction and word choices of the vehicle of your message. There is a shorter message available in those mentioned study determinations, but their application clearly shows the better choice for conveying this intended message.
      
      Considering that, I gave your questions, (rhetorical?), some deep contemplation, trying to find the balance between the message of the rhetoric and the more direct message of the 'thought'.
      
      As mentioned, contemplation of the word choices discerned two messages: the plain text message and the 'baggaged' text message. Your inclusion of so much 'baggaged' text in the construction of the real message of your conscious thought carried inflections that might also draw from the attributes of the original categorizations of hyperbole and bombast.
      
      Given those considerations and contemplations, It seems safe to say . . .
      
      Damn, are you still reading this jabber? I should have simply led with some advice: get some cute pool floaties for your arms. They will help you crest the coming Red wave.
      
      GA ;-)

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         Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

         Thank you for your reply.
         
         Of course, I want to ignite the base and remind the Right of the danger of overconfidence and not to ignore the fickle nature of the General electorate.
         
         We always speak in martial terms, that is where we are today. Red and Blue are hopelessly split with little if  anything that we have in common, not even the preservation of a Constitution/democratic based government... yes, there is a strong desire to dispense with the "Righties".
         
         A lot of jabber there, GA, just don't be so confident of the outcome just yet. I just might get to invite both you and Sharlee to a repast of raw crow without any condiments come November.
         
         I like hyperbole as it is great for giving a point just that much more emphasis, just as seasoning makes anything just that much more palatable.

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            GA Andersonposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Just like seasoning, you say? Too much seasoning can also do the opposite—make something unpalatable.
            
            However, putting my 'jabbering' aside, (it was intended to be semi-nonsensical), even if the results are only a high tide instead of a crashing wave, I think the majorities in both chambers will change.
            
            The news is telling me that at least a couple Trump-backed primary winners may backfire on Republicans because they are not the best General election choices. As you say, we'll see. I am leaning toward a trouncing.
            
            GA

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               tsmogposted 15 months agoin reply to this

               Personally I like a rub and a good tangy sauce on my ribs. What about you?

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                  GA Andersonposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  I knew it, you're a meat-eater, aren't you?
                  
                  GA

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                     Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

                     Ok, now you guys are getting off topic, but in all honesty a nice rack of baby backs would do fine for today.
                     
                     I will have to go and make that happen.

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                        tsmogposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                        I'm going to get a Lloyds pre-cooked rack this week with bar-b-q beans and mustard potato salad from the deli. M'm . . . M'm! A once in a great while treat and makes for two meals of delight.

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                           Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

                           Damn, TSmog, You need to be banned, what a mind picture you gave and I can taste it all now.

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                     tsmogposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                     Ha-Ha Yeah, I am a born and raised in America red blooded patriot that favors family bar-b-q's over the best dining experience in town. Ready for another brew?

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            Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Hey, if my prediction flops, I will be ready to offer up "I was so wrong" ten times, for the world to see. Without all the  ---" well this is what happened excuses".   How about you?

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               Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

               Okay, we will remind each other of this agreement. You can rest assured that I will "stand tall" when the time comes.

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            GA Andersonposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            You should qualify your "we." My "we" doesn't always speak in martial terms, (until those are the only remaining terms).
            
            My confidence feels appropriate. The historical trends, (as tsmog provided elsewhere), favor the Republicans. The ratios of seats not running again, and those marked as vulnerable, also favor the Republicans.
            
            Add to that the undeniable truth that when it comes to voters, 'all politics are local', and, that the topic is local elections, that those local voters are sure to be voting their pocketbook concerns, and, that even as they look for someone to vote for, they almost certainly already have someone to vote against, (that would be the current folks supposedly controlling things).
            
            I would add another thought. Your 'base' to energize is the left side of your party, your 'fringes' are already onboard ': girded for battle, just awaiting the nod to sally forth and smite the enemy.' I don't think the Republicans need to energize any 'base', you guys have already done that.
            
            And you will reinforce that Republican voter determination with whatever helter-skelter pandemoniums you create with your zeal for battle.
            
            And there you go, a rational reasoning without any hyperbole, ( ;-) ). I think it's gonna be bad bud. Also, you are welcome for my previous reply. I am glad that I could contribute. (*snert, snert . . . )
            
            GA

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               Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

               Mid terms has always favored the party out of power anyway, so I can only hope for an upset which may well not come.
               
               Women's rights and the integrity of the vote and of the Constitutional process may well amount to more than just fringe issues. Just let the Right double down on the outrageous and we can turn the plowshares into swords. People get pretty nervous when a political party takes their freedoms away, all other issues not withstanding.
               
               What happened in the 2020 Presidential contest and in the Georgia Senate races can happen again if the Right insists on going over the top and beyond. I am confident that they will activate the tripwire. They can't but do anything less. They will "screw the pooch", I am counting on it.

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                  GA Andersonposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm not betting against them screwing the pooch with some idiocy, but with the anticipated idiocy that is sure to be part of your pandemonium, I think the odds are in my favor.
                  
                  The women's Rights issue could be huge, after the Court's announcement. That could be where the Republicans might screw themselves via Red State legislative actions.
                  
                  GA

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                     Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

                     The woman's issue will be huge, just waiting for the Righties to step into the trap.
                     
                     I know that I wouldn't want to sit still while Rightwingers unjustifiably proscribe what should be within my own personal prerogative. I want to see that outrage express at the polls. If you consider that source of anger and distress pandemonium idiocy, and conservatives say that, then I say let's bring on some more.....
                     
                     After this, hopefully their next mission will be to repeal the 19th amendment.

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      tsmogposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Tick-tock the clock moves ever forward while change is always inevitable while at issue is both sides of the fence really want change badly. That said it is a historic trend that there will be a red wave with the current tide, so in the event there is no wave that means that change proved inevitable after all.
      
      An interesting article linked below one of many discussing the midterms put it succinctly and maybe eloquently; EGAD! What is key as I see it is which one has the greatest emotional impact on the voter to motivate them to vote, which is key. Speculation says there is suppose to be a greater turnout of young voters this midterms.
      
      Economy
      Guns
      Abortion
      Democracy
      
      Being a rookie at these things I think it is evident turnout will be the key and with EGAD on the table I have gut feeling it will be higher than tradition indicates. Maybe I got that wrong. Yet as I see it is a state by state thing and not a national thing like voting on a president. So, the get out the vote is a whole different matter especially with EGAD. Also a predictor may possibly be what is on the table for each state for getting out the vote. I know for myself I am paying more attention to my state than the nation at this time.
      
      Egad! It’s a guide to the 2022 midterms by Roll Call (June 15, 2022)
      https://rollcall.com/2022/06/15/egad-it … -midterms/
      
      Just for giggles below is what Ballotpedia says about the midterms
      
      United States Congress elections, 2022 by Ballotpedia
      https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_C … ions,_2022
      
      United States Senate elections, 2022 by Ballotpedia
      https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_S … ions,_2022

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 15 months ago

   I'm thinking overturning R v W will be a good thing too. It will force all the one issue voters who have contributed to the demise of public debate by not taking other issues as importantly as they should. Also, I have faith in the health care workers in this country who will find ways to help women in need. I've always believed the abortion issue would go away once a woman could take a pill in the privacy of her own home and not have to deal with anyone else on such a private issue.

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      Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Thanks, Kathleen, I concur.....
      
      There are many state legislatures that are working hard to thwart a woman's option of ending a pregnancy on their own thru self medication. The womb will become the property of the state, you are now a "quiverfull" as the women's desires and wishes are the last to be considered. Health care workers risk being subject to lawsuits if they are caught advising women on their best course of action in this matter, Red States are working on that as well.

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         gmwilliamsposted 15 months agoin reply to this

         People of progressive/humane/enlightened consciousness won't take this draconian, medieval, & atavistic overturning of Roe vs Wade passively.  They are going to protest.   The more retrogressive states will be the MOST AFFECTED by this draconian overturning.    More enlightened people in those retrogressive states will protest.

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   Credence2posted 15 months ago

   Just as I predicted, so let the revelry and rivalry begin......

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      Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Hopefully, we see peaceful protests. Peaceful protest always carries more weight on both sides.
      
      I think we will see peace.,and voices will be heard more loudly.

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         Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

         Yes, it will and should be peaceful, but it will be massive. They cannot help but to have political ramifications this fall. It is those ramifications that I await with baited breath.

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            Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Do you feel the march will be directed to take place in Washington?

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               Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

               They will be all over the country much in the style that it was immediately after Trump was elected, national and massive and you can expect quite a party in Washington as well.
               
               Even Trump feared the wrath of the women resulting from this decision and the adverse effects that it would have for Republicans in November.

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               gmwilliamsposted 15 months agoin reply to this

               DEFINITELY.

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            gmwilliamsposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            There WILL be ramifications.  Most people are pro-choice.  Alito & other conservatives are on THE WRONG SIDE of history regarding abortion.   Abortion is a NECESSARY part of healthcare.

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