Abortion vs. Inflation at the fore front of voters minds

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   tsmogposted 2 years ago

   Voters have a lot on their plate today. There will always be those who simply vote the party line. Will that be enough? What about the those who take the time to ponder? Elections are won on slimmer and slimmer margins.
   
   Inflation, abortion top campaign ad themes for third month in a row by News (Aug 4, 2022)
   https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ … -rcna41540
   
   Iowa Poll: How Republicans, Democrats view election issues like inflation, abortion by Des Moines Register (Jul 26, 2022)
   https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story … 118125002/
   
   Democrats hold slight edge over GOP, abortion more important to voters than inflation, poll shows by Fox News (July 28, 2022)
   https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democr … poll-shows
   
   Edit: Oops! Left the url's off, yet they are there now.
   
   Will gun rights break the tie?
   
   What about crime?

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      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As more and more people find themselves priced out of the rental (or purchase) market for homes I would expect inflation to become more and more important.
      
      Although the price of gas falling will offset that somewhat.

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         gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Of course, the issue of inflation is forefront on most people's minds.   The cost of living for many is becoming near prohibitive to the point of sheer agony.  People are concerned about inflation, not so much about abortion at this point.

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      GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I would channel James Carville and repeat: 'it's the economy, stupid.'
      
      I think it will be the usual 'kitchen table' issues; the economy, abortion, and crime. For the 'average' voter I think crime comes before abortion. I don't see a 'gun rights' issue getting much attention.
      
      GA

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         gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Oh yes, I omitted crime.   The crime rate is at a demonic level.   People are also concerned about the rising crime rate.

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      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      With women, particularly young ones, registering in record numbers, we cannot assume that the midterms will be just more business as usual. As to how much influence the GOP double down on the abortion rights issue will affect the outcome next November is nobody's guess. But there WILL be an affect perhaps to the point that the so called red wave will become a red herring instead. Economics comes and goes, but people get touchy when you threaten their rights.

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         Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Probably true, plenty of people will put emotional issues ahead of economy, especially those who have lived in the luxury of an economy where they never once worried about where the next meal would come from, or if they would have water or electricity.
         
         We have a very large number of privileged, pampered, well fed Americans that have never had a worry in the world when it comes to the basic necessities of life.  Heck, many Americans believe it is their right as an American to always be provided food, housing, electricity and water... and more every day believe they shouldn't have to work a day in their lives to have it provided to them.

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            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            But, Ken, my political and personal rights are not negotiable but sacrosanct. Individual Control of reproductive rights is not an emotional issue, it is quite rational and real.
            
            There is no need to trade the aspects of a good life in exchange for relinquishing rights and privileges. It is always easy to ask sacrifice from others as long as it is not me or you.
            
            We may have never had a worry in the world and we want to keep it that way. So, hands off basic rights and privileges afforded to all, if we want to maintain a society worth living in.
            
            Oddly enough, I have never met more than a handful of hobos and derelicts in my lifetime who can be characterized as aggressively lazy. But, I saw a lot more who work incessantly while continuing to lose ground financially. And I have witnessed this long before Biden took office.
            
            Imagine having to work 2 jobs while going to school? I m t people like this, such a scenario I not could imagine even during my most trying period of life.
            
            I would hardly call them lazy or pampered.

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            gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            +10000000000000, there are such people in my maternal extended family.

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         gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Credence2, economics is a very important issue.  Economics is a determinant as to whether one has choices to live a worry free life & a life of constant struggle or even penurious homelessness which is a bottomless hell.  Abortion, although an important issue, will be secondary after inflation & crime.

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            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            All the same, economics mean nothing to slaves.
            
            I did not say that the economic concerns would be supplanted with concerns over reproductive rights. I do say that these concerns are not merely "passing" and will have an effect on the choices to be made by key constituencies of the electorate next fall. We just don't know to what extent.

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      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It's hard to hide from inflation when one finds they are spending so much more on everything... When one fills up or pays utilities, not to mention food. I don't think many stand at that pump and think about abortion.
      
      I think people generally vote their pocketbook, many are just becoming jades to social problems altogether.   
      
      Abortion is an important issue --- In my view, it has been for decades many have become accustomed to the back and forth, and have become detached. By the election, the subject will be beaten to death, in my view,   many will be sick of hearing about it.  But, inflation will still be biting us in the butt.

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         Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         You may think that many will be sick of hearing about the issue of abortion but you haven't been living through the issue in a state that has totally taken away that freedom.  There's a palpable anger.

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         gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         The issue of inflation is far more important than abortion.   People want to live without constant financial worries.   Many people are losing financial ground because of inflation.

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            Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for your earlier replies to my comments.
            
            While inflation is far more serious than the issue of abortion, it is abortion that is a far easier topic to stir up a majority of women over.
            
            That Venus and Mars thing has some merit.
            
            If the economy tanks, if the dollar is replaced as the World's reserve, we will never recover as a nation.  Not in our lifetimes.  There would be skyrocketing energy and gas prices, shortages, empty shelves, crime and violence would become normal in all but the most elite neighborhoods.
            
            The issue of abortion being allowed to be decided by the states is meaningless in comparison.  It wasn't made illegal at the federal level it was just kicked to the States.
            
            That being said, the abortion issue will be a driving force for the women vote in 2022, unfortunately.
            
            Perhaps we should be glad for that, it means it will be less of an issue in 2024... if we have not destroyed our economy or civilization itself by that time... no matter what happens in the 2022 election, Biden will still be there prodding Putin into a Nuclear war.

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               Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               "The issue of abortion being allowed to be decided by the states is meaningless in comparison.  It wasn't made illegal at the federal level it was just kicked to the States"
               
               That is just why the GOP is in trouble, people are voting for those in their states to represent them at the federal level. This issue will have some effect in voter turn out and affiliation.
               
               We have been through economic challenges before, many times within my lifetime. We will recover and it is not the "sky is falling stuff" that conservatives make it out to be.
               
               I am from Earth, and neither of the other two planets are relevant.

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                  Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  You are wrong.
                  
                  Zelensky began telling the world he was taking back Crimea by force in March 2021.
                  
                  Putin spent a year warning anyone who would listen he would not accept that, nor would he accept Ukraine as a NATO member.
                  
                  Biden and his string pullers didn't care.  Blew him off, dared him.
                  
                  We now have a war.
                  
                  Putin said he would go Nuclear before he accepted defeat, before he allowed the West to win the war for Ukraine... the West is now fighting the war for Ukraine, and we all know it.
                  
                  Putin will turn western Ukraine into a nuclear wasteland before he lets Crimea go back to Ukraine.
                  
                  We have no business fighting this war... we have no moral high ground.
                  
                  If we were truly driven by morals we would have been fighting for the Mongols as China turned their entire population into slave labor and sex slaves.
                  
                  We would have stayed the course in Afghanistan rather than turn the country back over to the Taliban.
                  
                  We would have rebuilt Iraq rather than leave it to the Islamic Radicals and Iran to fight over.
                  
                  We are not helping Ukraine any more than we helped Syria, Libya or Iraq, all of those nations are shells of what they once were, their populace devastated their infrastructure destroyed.
                  
                  And now we are doing our best to bring about a nuclear war, and you are blind not to see it coming.

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                     Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     The war is its conduct is a different discussion, my comparison speaks of inflation verses reproductive rights in the minds of voters.
                     
                     So, do we back off and let Putin take what he wants in the Ukraine in part or total? Putin expressed interest in negotiating the release of the basketball player in an exchange and expressed a desire to work with the new American launch vehicles to alternate providing transportation to and from the International Space Station.. Those that plan to bring the world to its end through nuclear holocaust would not be interested in any negotiations with its greatest nemesis.

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                        Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        The basketball player, irrelevant.
                        
                        I am sure he was pursuing normal things prior to escalating the conflict and invading Ukraine.
                        
                        I am sure he will be pursuing normal things after he drops a small tactical nuke on Western Ukraine.
                        
                        This is why Biden is the worst if all Presidents to have in this situation.
                        
                        Biden is determined to win this war and get Putin, he has been a liability, his comments and efforts have only escalated matters... Biden is a deranged as___le and is more likely than any President in our lifetimes to lead us into a very avoidable war with no winners, only losers.

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                           Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                           I hear you, Ken. Why the delay, why hasn't Putin gone nuclear yet? This conflict has been going on for some time and the expected capitulation of the Ukrainians has not happened.
                           
                           What is your sane, rational solution to all of this? I don't know if Biden is trying to "win" the war over trying to keep Russia from subjugating the Ukraine in its entirety.
                           
                           From a geopolitical standpoint, considering all of our alliances and commitments, what would you do?

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                              Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                              What are the goals?
                              
                              What are the real goals?
                              
                              Did we want to bolster our allies dependence on America and spread our influence and alliances further?
                              
                              If that were the goal, we have achieved it, Sweden and Finland have joined NATO, something that would never have happened without this conflict, the EU is more allied to America and more willing to follow its lead than at anytime in the last three decades, since the dissolution of the USSR.
                              
                              Did we want to pry Ukraine out of the sphere of Russia's influence, greatly diminishing Russia's economic power while strengthening the West?"
                              
                              This has been accomplished, if an armistice which cedes Crimea (this is a MUST without which the war will not end until Putin is dead or we have taken Moscow) permanently to Russia and leaves the fate of the Donbas region to be negotiated, the rest of Ukraine, the breadbasket, would be fully Westernized and taken out of Russia's sphere.
                              
                              However if our goals were merely to use Ukraine as an excuse to engage Russia in a war, defeat it, and topple or kill Putin, so that we can insert a pro-Western puppet (IE - Zelensky) so that we can have control over the 40 trillion dollars worth of energy resources, strip China of its most valuable ally, and have access to military bases along China's northern border, then nothing has been accomplished yet.

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                                 Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                 I can see the sense behind some sort of armistice. Biden or any sane person can see no advantage in goading Russia toward war. I guess it is the same sort of foreign policy that we have always had since the Cold War began, the concept of containment. These are new times and perhaps we need to revisit and modify older concepts.
                                 
                                 Putin is biding his time waiting for the zeal and materiel support from the West to exhaust itself, then he will take what he wants from the Ukraine and it will become a fait accompli.
                                 
                                 No one wants to sit there and accomodate Russian aggression in the region without a response.

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                                    wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                    If you are right and Putin is biding his time, waiting for material from the west to run out, I doubt it will work.  Between the US and NATO there is zero doubt that Russia is out-produced many times over - all that is left is the will of the governments in question and I think fear will keep them going.

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                                       Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                       While we may have the materiel, but will the political will and expense involved in supporting the Ukraine stay at current levels?

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                                          Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                          If their goal is to topple/kill Putin and insert a regime more favorable to American interests, then yes, this will keep going.
                                          
                                          Since when does cost matter?  Since when does our government worry about economic consequences?  Since when does what the people think matter to those running the show in DC?
                                          
                                          Since we have departed from the Draft, they have engaged in military operations against at least a dozen other nations, never once worrying about or seeking the approval of the people for it. Biden will prove worse than Obama or Bush for that.

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      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Read this article today and thought of this thread, thought you might find it interesting:
      
      https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-groc … 59314.html
      
      Seems that inflation hasn't gotten to the point where it is significant enough to by a major political issue after all.

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         tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Ken! I found the article interesting, gave food for thought, and related to the two prong point of it being mainly grocery and fuel. Fuel being the top of the list as seen with the chart the top four are pretty much related to fuel cost. To me while I could be wrong is that fuel has risen significantly enough that even when it drops it will be remain high.

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   Ken Burgessposted 2 years ago

   I think the unasked question is at, or will be at, the forefront of Voter's minds come November 2022 and most certainly November 2024.
   
   To some the choice is merely choosing the Sane vs. the Insane.
   
   To others, the more religious minded, this is a choice between Evil vs. Good.
   
   To others still, this is a choice between Capitalism and Communism.
   
   All of these voters would be correct, because we are inevitably at a crossroads, in the midst of a cultural Civil War.
   
   We live in a world where we argue that validity of the category of sex exists, that you cannot define what is a woman, while at the same time insisting that a Supreme Court Judge be appointed specifically because of her sex and race.
   
   That in itself is a contradiction of beliefs fostered upon us by the very same people that argue and enforce both, it is fundamentally irredeemable, irrational to claim both beliefs at the same time.  That she is a woman, but is not a woman, because a woman cannot be defined, and therefore she is selected specifically because of her sex, which does not exist.
   
   With this rationality, you can claim that anything whatsoever is true, if you can claim that an individual is something and is not something simultaneously, you have departed from the sphere of reason and civil discourse, you are, in terms of the past, insane.
   
   I argue that the positions taken by the Democratic Party at large and specifically the Biden Administration, are so.
   
   Supporting a war against Russia, looking to overthrow Putin, at the very real threat of Nuclear War, is insane, irrational.
   
   Choosing a candidate based on sex and race, whether it be VP or Supreme Court, when the belief system you purport to support states that there is no sex, one cannot define male or female, is insane, irrational.
   
   Biden and the Democratic Party at large, have become deranged, degenerate, and look to foster their insanity not just on all Americans, but the entire world, as seen in their determination to pursue Russia's downfall even if it brings about WWIII or Nuclear devastation and the downfall of civilization.

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      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Great elucidation, Ken.

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   abwilliamsposted 2 years ago

   Yeah let's crash our economy and blow each other up...but God forbid we see babies as human, with a God-given RIGHT to life just like everyone else.
   At least the baby turtles and baby eagles are safe here in lala land!!
   For now!

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Excuse the rant, abwilliams, but you have sparked it.
      
      Its weird how they care AFTER having sex, not before.
      Why don't they care about " MY CHOICES and MY BODY" before sex?
      as in: The choice to prevent murdering a human fetus.
      
      I say let them kill their fetuses, but call it what it is and give them jail time.
      In a more enlightened society they would be given rehabilitation time.
      Rehab girls who do not know how to keep the nickel between their knees.
      And parents of the girls need to be held accountable to some degree as well. "Why did your daughter let a sperm enter her egg outside of marriage and a nest and without the dude loving her enough do the right thing?
      How did YOU contribute to her lack of ability to keep the nickel between her knees?"
      
      
      I mean, really, what does it take to keep that nickel in place?
      
      Let us explore that ability, shall we?
      
      Keep the knees together. Pretty hard to do, I suppose.
      But after the knees come apart a little for the "love of your life", they are going to come apart a lot for the abortion procedure.
      
      A stitch in time saves nine.

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