Ending Affirmative Action in College Admissions. It's about time.

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  1. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 2 years ago

    Affirmative action is nothing but reverse racism.  If affirmative action is used in college admission, it should also be used in sports.  Forget a players ability, being on the team should be determined like college admissions, based on your race.  It is time to get diversity in sports.

    "Supreme Court likely to ban affirmative action in college admissions, legal experts say
    The Supreme Court justices signaled during oral arguments that they are likely to bar the use of affirmative action in college admissions.

    After lengthy and heated oral arguments Monday, Supreme Court experts say the justices are likely to bar the use of affirmative action in college admissions.

    "This proved to be a full-contact oral argument for both the advocates and the justices," said George Washington University law professor and Fox News contributor Jonathan Turley. "The challengers clearly had a better day before the court."

    The court heard two similar cases on the use of race in college admissions at Harvard University and the University of North Carolina in a nearly five-hour session. An activist group called Students for Fair Admissions brought both cases, and seemed to have more justices on its side.

    "Chief Justice Roberts at points appeared to be losing his patience with Harvard's counsel Seth Waxman due to his combative style in oral argument," Turley added in an interview with Fox News Digital. "Waxman spoke over a number of justices who asked questions and did not appear responsive to direct questions from justices."

    In perhaps the most telling moments of the arguments, Harvard attorney Seth Waxman got into testy exchanges with Justice Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts in the span of a couple of minutes.

    Alito pressed Waxman on why it is that Asian American students regularly receive lower personal scores on their applications than other races. Waxman talked around the justice's questions, causing Alito to get frustrated with the lawyer.

    "I still haven't heard any explanation for the disparity between the personal scores that are given to Asians," Alito said.

    Waxman then got into a tense back-and-forth with Roberts. The justice asked why Waxman was downplaying race as a factor in admissions decisions, when according to Roberts it must have some impact, or else it would not be included.

    "Thankfully, Chief Justice Roberts appears to be the deciding vote in these cases, and he's on the side of legal equality rather than nebulous considerations of ‘equity’ and divisive racial spoils," Shapiro added. "Come June, the Court will help promote national unity and equal opportunity against the racialist balkanizers."

    University of Richmond Williams chair in law Carl Tobias agreed that the Supreme Court is likely to make significant changes on affirmative action.

    "It is treacherous to predict how the Justices will rule based on oral argument," Tobias said. "However, the jurisprudence, recent opinions, and the general skepticism about diversity expressed in the Monday argument of the 6-3 conservative majority suggest that the Court may significantly modify the 1978 precedent articulated in Baake and essentially reaffirmed by the 2003 opinion in the Grutter case."

    Judicial Crisis Network President Carrie Severino also said she hopes the court will block future uses of affirmative action.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/suprem … xperts-say

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps it is a policy whose time has past. Particularly, when I consider the concern of Asian groups, it is brought just that much more to attention.

      I don't want to revert to a society where based on economic realities, opportunity for higher learning is reserved only for rich white boys.....

      1. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I think the world is a very different place from where it was in the 1960s.

        1. wilderness profile image90
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          It certainly is!  Now there are grants, scholarships, free money everywhere to go to school.  And if that isn't enough anyone that wants to can get a loan...a loan that they can work to get someone else to pay for.

          For me and others from the 60's, however, we had to pay our own way.  Usually on minimum wage, which meant working 40 hours during school and 80 hours in the summer.

          1. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Some of us had to agree to go into the military after graduation to get our college funded.

            1. wilderness profile image90
              wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              My son went in, primarily to get the GI bill.  It was his method of paying for his school, and is far preferable to taking out hundreds of thousands in loans.

              1. DrMark1961 profile image99
                DrMark1961posted 24 months agoin reply to this

                At least it was preferable until Biden came along. Now the lesson is "borrow now, some politician will forgive your loan later".

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 24 months agoin reply to this

                  My husband also used the GI bill to get his degrees. He came back from Vietnam, and at 22 entered college. We also worked hard to put me and my two children through college.  So many unfilled jobs, I think it is possible to still work one's way through college.

                  1. wilderness profile image90
                    wildernessposted 24 months agoin reply to this

                    Of course it is.  It's true that colleges have created so many garbage classes that have to be paid for, and have become such hubs of entertainment rather than learning, that the costs have risen beyond anything reasonable for a center of learning.  But it is still possible, and doubly so with only small loans, grants, scholarships, etc.

                    Unfortunately that means one must work and that seems an anathema to so many young college students.  It's lots more fun to play.

              2. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 24 months agoin reply to this

                There is a downside.  It can also be pretty dangerous especially during times of war.  Trust me.

                1. wilderness profile image90
                  wildernessposted 24 months agoin reply to this

                  Yeah - he was in Afghanistan.  Came home in one piece though!

          2. abwilliams profile image68
            abwilliamsposted 24 months agoin reply to this

            The 70's and into the 80's as well. We paid our way! If we weren't as motivated as we probably should have been in high school and didn't receive a scholarship/grant...our part time high school jobs became full time jobs and we paid for night classes, a class or two or three at a time. That's what I did!
            My parents couldn't afford it and it wasn't even a consideration, to borrow money for schooling back then.
            So yeah, both affirmative action and school debt forgiveness are sore subjects for me!

            1. wilderness profile image90
              wildernessposted 24 months agoin reply to this

              No, my parents had 3 of us in school all at the same time - they certainly couldn't help much.

              Affirmative action, although not called that, was alive and well when I went, though.  One specific race (not black) had a bunch of kids in the school, all on a free ride.  Everything paid, teachers were not allowed to flunk them.  Out of the 50 kids, I doubt that more than 1 or 2 ever actually used their education.  Mostly because only one or two actually got an education - the rest were there for fun and games.  It didn't set well with a young man living on a box macaroni and cheese a day, working 40+ hours while taking 20+ credit hours.  Still doesn't, either.

              1. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 24 months agoin reply to this

                I had similar experiences.  I lost out on a job once because I was white.  When I was at college, there were some people who felt because of their skin color they could not be flunked in any class.  They were right.  Others of another skin color did get put on academic probation and told not to come back if they didn't improve their grades.

      2. GA Anderson profile image83
        GA Andersonposted 24 months agoin reply to this

        Your first thought reads like you're saying this issue didn't bother you when the discrimination was against white folks, but now that it's against Asians you have second thoughts.

        I agree that its time has passed, and that when Affirmative Action was decided the Court knew it wasn't right but was needed. Now, this Court is posed to prove, once more, that two wrongs don't make a right—even when our Supreme Court sanctions it. (hmm. this thought might have a Roe tie-in)

        GA

    2. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am so pleased to hear this. First, I feel our education system has been suffering for decades, due to affirmative action in education. It is time to make every attempt to admit fix our education system by giving those with the aptitude to do well in college, and strive when sent out into our society.

      We have no need to look any further than statistical stats, that affirmative action may not have been smart for our society as a whole.

      In the next breath, I feel opportunities must be put forth to make sure all children have an opportunity to get a good education that makes them ready to compete for their spot in college. It all should start on day one for children.

      1. wilderness profile image90
        wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        "It all should start on day one for children."...and their parents.  Children without parents supportive of education will not get a good education no matter where they live or what schools they attend.  Nor can it wait until "day one" of schooling; it needs to start years before the school is entered.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 24 months agoin reply to this

          I agree 100%.

  2. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 24 months ago

    I think academic acceptance should be the same as athletic acceptance.

    Only the best makes the best teams.

    Skin color does not determine your academic abilities.

    It also doesn't determine your athletic ability.

    If the left wants diversity, let us bring it into sports.  Why should someone's athletic ability determine if they make the team?  If diversity is so important let us work to have race be the determining factor for someone playing college basketball or hockey.  Who needs the best when you have diversity?

    If it doesn't apply in athletics, it shouldn't apply in the workforce or academia.

 
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