Ukraine Soldiers Training in Unites States??

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   Cristaleposted 23 months ago

   Is this Constitutionally right for the American people?
   Are we setting Ukraine up for failure?
   ...What is the hidden agenda?
   
   America needs to know!

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      Fayetteville Fayeposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I don't think it has anything to do with the Constitution.  By training them to use the weaponry we are supplying is setting them up for success not failure.

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      GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      America does know. The agenda is not hidden, it is simply in the shadow of presented public information.
      
      The agenda I see, and - since we did involve ourselves before the war started - support is that Ukraine is America's proxy against Russia's aggression, and America is the proxy for all Western nations.
      
      We are in it now, regardless of being right or wrong, so that agenda shouldn't be in the shadows, it should be owned by the Oval Office. because we have passed the point of stopping our military and economic support of Ukraine. Denying reality never turns out well.
      
      GA

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         Cristaleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

         Why don't these allied countries just jump into the war and fight with Ukraine? I understand we are helping them, but this will end in another world war eventually I believe.

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            Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            If this was to occur, Russia would then be justified in using nuclear weapons.   Russia has attacked no other country and therefor no other nation has a reason to join in the war with Ukraine.

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               Cristaleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

               That makes sense. So is it just a matter of time before the war spreads to other countries? Or will Russia win and that be the end?

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                  Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  If you've been following events, Russia is losing the war in Ukraine; Russia has outdated and unreliable equipment and weapons, and an untrained army - while the Ukraine's are being supplied with superior weapons from the West, and superior training of its troops.

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                     Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                     Russia is not taking bombing to their country. However, Ukraine is along with a death toll of civilians. Not sure one can call this a win?

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                        Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        Considering that Putin originally expected to take Ukraine in just a few days, and considering that large chunks of lands in the north and south, captured by Russia has now been re-taken by Ukraine; Russia is not wining. 
                        
                        If you're fighting for your life, and you hold an aggressor like Hitler or Putin at bay, with prospects of pushing them back then that is a win.
                        
                        England went through the same experience in world war two; Hitler bombing our cities night after night after night, killing thousands of British civilians; yet in spite of all the bombing, we stayed resolved, and we won the war.  Over the course of the war Hitler's bombs destroyed 2 million British homes - this is Bristol (where I live) after it was destroyed by bombing raids: https://youtu.be/vIVaXQu5LUI

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                           GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           The WWII analogy also came to mind for me, but was sure introducing it would sound hyperbolic. Making it to the point of bombing saved it.
                           
                           Take your 'bombing' example a step further with comparisons to our current support for Ukraine and our Lend-Lease program with the UK.
                           
                           GA

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                              Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              Yep, that seems to be pretty much spot on; a good comparison.

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                              Ken Burgessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              For a chuckle GA:
                              
                              https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-i … ces-2022-5
                              
                              A real evaluation of the war's current state:
                              
                              https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the- … or-russia/
                              
                              Beyond the impact this will have on Ukraine, Russia and the EU... I believe this will hasten the shift from America's role as "World Police" and move the world away from the Dollar as the "World's Reserve".
                              
                              Plenty of miscalculations in how this was going to play out, by both sides, Russia and America. 
                              
                              What those calling the shots in America did not foresee was how this would hasten the world's desire, from the EU to China, to move on from the Dollar as the defacto currency for the globe.
                              
                              On top of all the other wasted billions, getting involved in another conflict that is costing America hundreds of billions of dollars, as we were attempting to recover from the financial fiasco of created by the Pandemic and the trillions 'printed' and given away then... and getting in a pissing contest with OPEC/Saudi Arabia on top of all that... is pretty much economic suicide, its just going to take a while for it to hit us.

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                           Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           Nathan -     "If you're fighting for your life, and you hold an aggressor like Hitler or Putin at bay, with prospects of pushing them back then that is a win."
                           
                           It is for sure. a win.

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                              Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              Yep

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            GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            I think the current 'proxy' situation is the only thing that can stop this Russian aggression from becoming an official world war. If this effort to support Ukraine fails, a real world war seems very likely in the near future.
            
            GA

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               Cristaleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

               And I think it will fail unless Ukraine has a backup. Russia has a large army of troops who are already trained. Plus they are not stopping. Is this all for control of Ukraine? Why not just let them be in peace?

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                  Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  Much of Russia's army of troops are not trained, the are predominantly conscripts with little or no training, and little will to fight. 
                  
                  Besides, if you are familiar with Russian history, you would know that don't want to stop at Ukraine; at the very least they desire reclaiming their old 'empire' which is half of Europe; and ultimately world domination.
                  
                  So to stop them in their tracks now would make the world a safer place.

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                     Cristaleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                     Right. Agreed. So it will not stop until they overtake Ukraine. Is this connected to increasing gas prices here in America?

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                        Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        It will not stop unless/until Ukraine wins the war; which looks increasingly likely with the help that Ukraine is getting from the West.
                        
                        And yes, the increasing gas prices in Europe and in America is because of the war in Ukraine.

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                           Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           I look at the war in the United States press and also in the Ukrainian press. I have relatives who are still there as well as many friends.
                           
                           I have no idea how a nation the size of Russia can sustain the loss of over 100,000 soldiers and continue without feeling anger from their population.  This 100,000 has occurred in less than a year of fighting.
                           
                           To put things in perspective, The United States fought a war in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly 20 years.  The total soldiers killed during that time for the United States was approximately 6,500...in 20 years.
                           
                           Russia's population is around 143 million and the United States is 300 million
                           
                           I guess this explains why Russia is paying many mercenary groups to fight for them.
                           
                           There was a recent battle and the Ukrainians were fighting against the mercenary group called "The Wagners."  The mercenary group was starting to take over an important town.  The Ukrainians were retreating back to their defensive line. 
                           
                           The Russian commanders couldn't let the mercenary group get the glory for taking this town.  They told the mercenary group to pull back and had Russian army paratroopers come to the front to take over the town. A really stupid move.  The paratroopers had never been to this area and had to try and figure out a battle plan, etc.
                           
                           To make a long story short, this gave the Ukrainian army time to regroup and get more troops and equipment to the area. What could have been a major defeat for the Ukrainians turned out to be a defeat for the Russians.
                           Their regular army paratroopers were pushed completely away from the city and back to a defensive line several kilometers away.
                           
                           Things Russia is doing in this war make absolutely no sense at all.
                           This is just one story among many.

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                              Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              Does it worry you that Russia seems to be turning more to bomb than ground fighting?  It appears they have now turned to bombing civilians, and cities.

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                                 Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                 They have been bombing civilians for awhile.  My cousin was running a tractor in a field and watched the bombs dropping not too far away. What is sick is the Russian target civilians and think this will break Ukrainians resolve to fight the war. I can tell you, it only makes Ukrainians more determined.  It provides more motivation for the Ukrainian military to succeed.
                                 
                                 It does make me proud the Ukrainian military has not targeted Russian civilians.

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                                    Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                    I can see the Ukrainian citizens are not going to buckle, this shows a sheer form of love for the country that one does not really witness these days.
                                    
                                    It sickens me to see this prolonged war, with many civilians being killed in Ukraine. I have come to change my thoughts on this war in the last month. I think Nato needs to enter the war and push into Russia if need be. The world should not watch the killing of civilians period. It is very clear if the US and Nato enter this war with men and experiments Russia could be overrun and dealt with once and for all.
                                    
                                    Months ago, I did not feel this way. I do now, Russia is trying to kill and leave a scorched country. The world needs to take notice, and stop Russia, and be done with Putin. I would think the Russian people might even be pleased.

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                                       Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                       Yeah, I think you are right; if the world stops Russia then the Russian people would be pleased:  This British News broadcast from September gives a flavour of that:- https://youtu.be/bYrMbC8_UPE

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                              Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              From what you describe, and from what I see in these forums, I get the impression that the war in the British press is closer to what is being reported in Ukraine, than the USA press e.g. your coverage of ‘The Wagners’ was covered in some depth on the British TV news.
                              
                              I guess the main reason Putin is immune from the anger by the Russian people of the loss of so many Russian soldiers is largely because all news media in Russia is State Controlled, and the Russian people are supressed by the Russian regime? 
                              
                              Over the course of World War One, 880,000 British soldiers were killed in battle, 6% of the adult male population of Britain.

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      Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you for [posting this thread. It is a subject that may have fallen through the cracks. Although it is being covered slightly by the media, not enough.
      
      Americans should be kept abreast of this form of news.  Unfortunately, there is so much news, some do fall through the cracks, and many never are aware of what our Government is up to.
      
      The Ukraine war is one subject Americans should truely keep up on. This proxy war could lead to something bigger.

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   Nathanvilleposted 23 months ago

   How many Ukrainian solders are being trained in the USA?
   
   It’s not just the USA; since the summer, the UK has been training 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers in the UK every 120 days.
   
   Secret training of Ukrainian troops on big guns in UK:  https://youtu.be/sOJ5jbXQIa8
   
   And also, the UK will now be sending 14 Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine (the video states 10, but since broadcast the UK Government has clarified that it will be 14 tanks):  https://youtu.be/e4i1zYOn0vY
   
   Sending British tanks to Ukraine weakens UK forces, says UK Army's top general:  https://youtu.be/hj8PJOQQgRE

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      Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      You are absolutely right.
      
      The UK is training many Ukrainian soldiers. I would have to say many of the battlefield successes the Ukrainians have experienced have links to the training on equipment, tactics, etc. received from the UK. There has also been quite a bit of training done by the United States.  Both countries, as well as other countries around the world, have provided important military equipment.

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         Nathanvilleposted 23 months agoin reply to this

         Yep, the more support from other countries the better.

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      Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      This is good to hear. The UK is a nation that is well known for doing more than its part.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 23 months ago

   Foreign soldiers have trained in the U.S. since time immemorial. Ask anyone who has ever served in our military.

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