Chinese Balloon Enters US Airspace
After Chinese balloon enters US airspace, Biden secretary of state postpones trip to China
Blinken postpones trip to China after Republican lawmakers excoriated the Biden administration for appearing weak in response to suspected Chinese spy balloon.
Not much to say, because our government has no true idea what this balloon is doing over the US. In my view, This balloon should have never been allowed to pass into the US airspace.
Now, this is some scary sh---t. In my opinion, The Nation continues to flounder out of control.
Thoughts or excuses are welcome. I mean can anyone actually believe this can be explained away? My thoughts are, this balloon should have never been allowed to enter our airspace under any circumstances.
For facts being shared by the Pentagon Please check out Pentagon pressor --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCGL8TJhh6g&t=12sOr....extra eyes in the ongoing Biden documents search saga!?! ;-)
Or --- A suspected Chinese spy balloon was traveling over a number of sensitive sites in the US, a defense official has said, triggering speculation its location and route could be linked to Montana’s nuclear missile sites. https://fortune.com/2023/02/02/china-sp … ilo-field/
It had first flown over the Aleutian Islands, through Canada, and into Montana.
Montana has long been the location for some of the US’s nuclear arsenal and is home to one of three known A suspected Chinese spy balloon was traveling over a number of sensitive sites in the US, a defense official has said, triggering speculation its location and route could be linked to Montana’s nuclear missile sites.
A Pentagon official told a press briefing in Washington DC the suspected balloon had been spotted over Billings, Montana, on Wednesday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … -rcna68879
In my view, they can not take it down, they have no idea what is in the ballon. I mean one could only guess what could be in the ballon.
Seems that this balloon should have never been allowed into our airspace. Makes you really wonder about how the US airspace is monitored.
I mean we know how our border is monitored. I will say the pentagon briefing was pitiful... This is very scary and goes to show the world just how vulnerable our Country is.
We have a weak, confused feckless man in the White House, he is dangerous, and needs to be removed --- like yesterday!You mentioned that you wonder how our border is monitored. I wonder if you were being sarcastic, because it's obvious to me that our airspace is not monitored like it once was. Look we had a surprise attack at Pearl Harbor, we had our own planes attack us in 9/11. What is happening? People asleep at the wheel? We are so focused on arbitrary security, we are not focused on security coming from the outside.
Then there is the question of what is too much on our freedoms. they shot these balloons down without knowing what was in them. People all have different opinions, but you would think after something like
Covid 19 being let loose, they would be more careful. What if it was something more deadly those balloons were carrying? Am I being too paranoid?So pleased to see a new poster... Hope you will chime in again
I agree with all your thoughts. I have had every one of them. And throw in the fact that at one point the Pentagon (on tv) claimed they blocked the ballon from obtaining information --- and then a month later it was reported this was not true. They had the ability to derive information
and transmit it. So, it well appears we were lied to by the Pentagon.
Source of commits -- The Chinese spy balloon that flew across the U.S. was able to gather intelligence from several sensitive American military sites, despite the Biden administration's efforts to block it from doing so, according to two current senior U.S. officials and one former senior administration official.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … -rcna77155
I very much fear this Chinese balloon had a purpose, and completed that purpose. Not sure we will ever become aware of it.Now I might be sounding paranoid, but I am also thinking is this a scare tactic? to bring yet more control over us? Covid 19 did indeed kill a lot of people. I always believed from the beginning that it was let out on purpose. weapons of mass destruction, but just call me crazy if this wasn't the case. The fact is the world population and the resources that there are on earth are not enough apparently to help everyone and in the other countries where population is sky rocketing and in the U,S. its getting worse, the homeless and the sick. maybe they were looking for a way to get it under control. Now there are people still wearing masks and you hear of variants spreading still, but less. What is the next generation going to face? I'm in my fifties, likely won't be here but I'm still afraid for my children and grandchildren.
I too worry about the future. It clearly appears we are rushing at the speed of light into solar and wind power. Doing so by depleting the earth of the one thing that has been scientifically proven to clean our air -- tress. We are apparently also willing to deplete our water, due to the enormous amounts of water it takes to develop, batteries, and chips, and mine the minerals to support the manufacturing of batteries and chips.
And one can only imagine how rich and powerful those all will make
China.
We will not only not bring CO2 down, but we will also poison the earth and water we need to sustain life.
If we continue down this path, we will destroy the earth. And in my view, this is all being done for money... It has nothing to do with saving the earth from emmisions...
One only needs to turn to science to see where the earth will end up.I never looked at the scientific sign, but it makes sense. With that being said, if we lose our air, water, resources, why are they doing this? can''t be for money, because individually if you look at someone with money, true happiness doesn't come from it. Power over resources? Control? some narcissistic cook is looking to rule the world.
I agree. Just think of how many billionaires were made in the early '50s that invested in oil... That should tell us all something.
Poisoning the earth is what will occur with solar and wind, and we will actually end up with very little change to the CO2 levels.
However, the problems that occur with producing wind and solar are not being reported. Very hard to find the true science of what the New green road will offer us as a planet.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/i … materials.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestech … 1fe24f1750
Wind turbines as well as solar panels use huge batteries --- Batteries that are very caustic to produce, and we have no way to get rid of the spent batteries.
We will be creating huge amounts of polluters while cutting down forests to provide room for wind and solar farms.
We will be utilizing our lakes for water to produce Battieris and chips... All the problems are very clear, being ignored, and not widely talked about.The reporting that is one sided is something called P-hacking. I happened to just learn about that. Apparently the media is very adept at it.
"... the problems that occur with producing wind and solar are not being reported. Very hard to find the true science of what the New green road will offer us as a planet."
All this green energy they are pushing, they are saying it's better for the planet. I think about the electric cars. I just bought one, but maybe I should have thought better of it.
what is being used for the batteries and what has to be done? It takes energy to charge it, run it. I think they are talking about admissions going into the air if I'm correct. But I guess it's a trade off.
I agree, it's a serious matter!! Not making light of it, it's just necessary from time to time, for sanity's sake.
Oh, you are so right, if we did not laugh at much of what we are seeing out of this White House, we would be so scared.
I always ask, what's next? I am never far from witnessing a new problem that could have been averted. This man needs to be removed. In my view, he will soon have us in an open war with China.
The list of problems, serious problems Biden has caused is getting longer and longer. We the people" just sit by as if we are stupefied. I never thought the US would become this weakened. We are on our knees.I am not sure why so many Americans freak out over Russian aggression, but give China a pass!?!
China is the biggest threat to the U.S. at this moment in time, in my opinion.
All of this activity, whether Russia or China...happening within Biden's short time in office, on his watch!!!
You are right Sharlee, the longer he (or any similar mindset...or mind fog) is in office, the more dire our future!Yes, I had the same thought, China is a huge threat, and IMO, is growing more emboldened under this administration.
I think our society has been so dummied down, this mindset is clearly going to damage America as we know it. However, the ball is already rolling down a steep hill. If more don't become aware of the mess the Democrats have caused, we are in dire trouble, in my humble view.
We have a very small window at this point to stop the progression of socialism.
Do you realize, we have open borders, and now --- open airspace? Hopefully, more will come to see what is happening. I never in my years could have seen this coming, and in so few years we seem to be failing as a Nation.
Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Friday the "Biden administration's weakness is provocative" as it refuses to take down a Chinese spy balloon hovering over the U.S.
"When we realized the CCP was spying on Americans from their consulate in Houston, we shut it down," Pomeo tweeted Friday.
"The Biden administration's weakness is provocative. Xi Jinping and the CCP are growing bolder because of it. Shoot down the CCP's balloon safely, and demand answers from Xi."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mike-p … rovocativeOur defense department is currently maintaining that this balloon is not a threat and is monitoring it continuously. They say they are able to mitigate its surveillance capabilities and that it's capabilities aren't any better than what China already has on us. They have high altitude satellites on a lot of countries apparently and have for some time. They are also saying they are confident they can take this balloon down when it is not over apopulated areas as it is quite large. I'm fine and comfortable with our defense department handling this as they are not partisan hacks.
What is our do-nothing house up to? Passing a resolution denouncing socialism.... Yeah something we've all been waiting for. Anything that we can keep out of the hands of our inept Congress is probably wise.A foreign aircraft coming into American air space is not the job of congress to address. This is a job for the president and the pentagon.
Ya know, I think Congress needs to bring Biden upon impeachment for letting this even occur. This balloon could have been downed before it entered our airspace. He has clearly let China into our airspace, we have no idea what is in the balloon. The Pentagon briefing was reveling, and it is very clear they have no idea what is in or on that balloon.
So, I feel Biden needs to be impeached. This is a very serious issue, and he has put the nation in danger. Funny some don't seem to understand we have a big ass balloon traveling across the country -- we have no idea what this balloon is capable of.
My God, what in the world has happened to our society where anyone would not see this as a very big problem?
Job for the president, pentagon --- really it was the combination that let this balloon come into our airspace. So, no, in my view, Biden needs to be removed with good speed. He is so dangerous. Why the hell are more not seeing this?"My God, what in the world has happened to our society where anyone would not see this as a very big problem"
It's right where Progressives want and need it to be Sharlee, on shaky ground. Lovers of America are shaking their heads in disbelief, while doubters in and haters of - America buy into and pile on with the propaganda machine, which is currently thriving with all of the assistance it receives!!
Which leaves us all....... distracted!!!Okay, biden is impeached, it will not go anywhere in the Senate. We will still be stuck with biden. IF the senate convicts biden, and removes him from office, then we have K Harris aka the Cackling hen of the White House as president. The liberal racist cabal will rejoice in having a "woman of color" as president. It's obvious they don't care about competence. With biden in office or removed from office, our country is still in real trouble.
Seems that the GOP does not care about competence. What is with the woman and her Jewish Space lasers being risen to prominence within the House of Reps?
We are tired of the dog whistle white supremacist political attitude that so many of you go out your way to deny, but is quite evident your actions and behavior. They don't fool anybody, me included. She is the Vice President and regardless of her color and gender, it is her Constitutional duty to stand-in for the President.man you are really diverting. How about sharing an opinion on the Guy you have claimed you support, and the mess he has caused this time around?
It would appear you support open airspace. Because this is the issue. Biden let a Chinese cross into our airspace, and travel across our Nation.
I mean this is just a very clear fact. So why did your guy let the balloon cross into our Nation?
Why did he not bring it down over the ocean, we had a very long window to down that balloon.
What Next? Is this confused man going to let the second Chinese balloon enter our airspace?
Open borders, and now open airspace...Preach Shar, Amen and now that Communist China has all they need....FOR NOW....the okay finally comes to shoot it down!!!
Seems like it's a good time to dispose of it when no one will be harmed, right?? Apparently President Biden gave the Pentagon the go-ahead on Wednesday to shoot it down when safe do so. It seems pretty reasonable to me but let the firing squad of pathetic partisan politics commence on how President Biden could allow this thing to be shot down.
Please look at the map I offered... Wonder if the Pentagon wanted to down it near Alaska over the ocean. You know like they ended up doing after if collected all the information it set out to...
I in no respect can understand your thoughts on the problem.
Oh yes, and hallelujah! And now comes the making of the big pot of slop, the spin, the clumsy dance.
an example --- "Biden administration officials' claimed that Chinese surveillance balloons also briefly transited the continental U.S. at least three times during the Trump administration."
No name, no concrete statements that include a name of a human being with a face and name.
Trump, as well as Trump officials, have already claimed this is misinformation and never happen.
Trump offered a statement to clarify the accusation --- But Trump and top national security officials from his administration said that did not occur and criticized the Biden administration for spreading disinformation.
"This never happened. It would have never happened," Trump told Fox News Digital on Sunday morning, adding that Beijing "respected us greatly" under his leadership.
"It never happened with us under the Trump administration and if it did, we would have shot it down immediately," Trump said. "It's disinformation."
Congress needs to step up and get quickly to the bottom of these kinds of accusations, otherwise, we have liberals out there with this unproven statement that are willing to 100% buy-in and spread the BS -- for how long? Forever... LOL
Once again the Democrats spread information they have no proof of ever occurring. Yes, the dance begins...
The Pentagon in my view will not wear eggs on their faces. Biden had tossed smoke around them, Saying they told him not to shoot down the balloon --- I am very sure they did --- but after Biden refused to shoot the balloon down before ever getting into our airspace.
My thought leads me to believe he was briefed about this balloon for many weeks before it reached the US, and he did not deal with it or listen to the Pentagon's warnings that it needed to be shot down in areas it would have been vert safe to bring it down. This problem has all the markings of Biden's Buck short, day late. attitude.
I am very sure tomorrow we will see it all the fans. Several Republican Congresspersons have said they were never briefed on the situation and felt it was once again, like his document theft, he thought he could hide this breach to our national security. I my view, he is a dishonest, despicable human being.
What next?Well, Marco Rubio said yes.
"The difference is this. Are we aware? Have we seen the Chinese fly these balloons in the past? Yes. I think there’s even Twitter pictures of it flying at one point off the coast of the U.S. down south somewhere. The existence of the balloons is not a mystery to people in that field. What we’ve never seen, what is unprecedented, and whoever the source is at the Department of Defense would have to acknowledge what is unprecedented is a balloon flight that entered over Idaho, flew over Montana, over all these sensitive military installations, air force bases, ICBM fields, right across the middle of the country.
That has never happened before, that’s unprecedented. That it flew briefly over the continental U.S., that’s one thing. But what we saw this week is unprecedented."Always nice to see a new face, Chuck T., welcome to the insane asylum....
It is funny in light of your statement, that Biden is being now castrated for an event that occurred several times under the previous administration, right under its nose, I should add.
Yes, thank you... This statement does shed light on what I have gleaned from what the Pentagon and the defense department have shared.
"This is not the only PRC surveillance balloon operating in the Western Hemisphere. We assess that a balloon was observed transiting Central and South America, and that that is another PRC surveillance balloon. These balloons are all part of a PRC fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations, which have also violated the sovereignty of other countries.
These kinds of activities are often undertaken at the direction of the People's Liberation Army, or PLA. Over the past several years, Chinese balloons have previously been spotted over countries across five continents, including in East Asia, South Asia, and Europe. PRC intrusions violating our sovereignty and the sovereignty of other countries are unacceptable. We have notified the PRC about our actions and we are briefing allies and partners. "
Have you read the Pressor Gen Ryder gave on Friday? It's interesting. I found him honest but guarded. I see we share appreciating getting our hands on transcripts. I will share Gen Ryder's press conference.
Here is what Gen Ryder said about this kind of incident ever occurring in the US before on any other administration. I think you may see why I and not all that willing to believe the statement from the Biden administration on this type of problem occurring in the Trump administration. As you see he in no respect confirms the accusation.
Gen Ryder - "Q: And then a senior defense official yesterday said that similar incidents had happened under the previous administration, and yet some of those administration officials have come forward and said they're not familiar with it. Is there any way you could give us more details on when it's happened over — whether it was over the continental U.S. or over U.S. territories? Is that something you would potentially take to provide to the public more details about the extent that these things happen?
GEN. RYDER: Yes. So what I would tell you right now is that information is classified. I'm not able to provide it other than I can confirm that there have been other incidents where balloons did come CLOSE to or cross over U.S. territory."
Source https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript … -briefing/No, the administration of President Donald Trump was never made aware of a Chinese balloon over the United States.
"on Sunday, a senior administration official told Fox News Digital that "U.S. intelligence, not the Biden administration" assesses that "PRC (People's Republic of China) government surveillance balloons transited the continental U.S. briefly at least three times during the prior administration and once that we know of at the beginning of this administration, but never for this duration of time."
The official told Fox News that "this information was discovered after the [Trump] administration left."
"They went undetected," the official told Fox News Digital."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chines … n-officialOh my, this is getting more unbelievable every day. I hope Congress has a hearing on this entire issue. In my view, I feel this episode was inexcusable. And it sickens me to see anyone making light of this issue or having a "no big deal" attitude.
I feel this balloon could have had a destructive payload. As I have said before, this set a bad precedent and shows the world we are on a weekend state with this president in the White HouseDeleted
I am accustomed to our airspace being protected, and other countries respecting that we are a sovereign nation, and respecting that fact. Guess we look at the problem differently. I prefer our airspace to be respected as it has been for many decades.
So, What about this Sharlee, how does that figure in with the incessant Biden-bashing? Was it not a reasonable step to take the advice of his military advisors to assess the actual threat and ignore the conservatives and their armchair warriors? How is it that these “warriors” have access to information that the President does not?
“President Biden was briefed and he asked military to present options," a senior administration official told Newsweek on Thursday. "It was the strong recommendation by [Secretary of Defense Lloyd] Austin, Chairman [of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark] Milley, the Commander of Northern Command, not to take kinetic action because of risk to safety and security of the people on the ground. President Biden took that recommendation."
Mike went out of line with his last comment, am I free to respond?
My opinion is that Biden acted reasonably and with prudence.Did our military climb aboard and guarantee it will not, and cannot, dump a load of Anthrax over NYC as it crosses it?
Don't be ridiculous; it is not possible to assess any possible threat from that balloon unless it is grounded in one piece and thoroughly disassembled.That is not your call. So, you would say that the President was unwise to take advice from the military as to how to confront the threat?
Were you not the one that told me in another thread that decisions made by politicians regarding acceptable voter IDs were made behind closed doors and that my "fairness meter" cannot always apply? Consequentl, I am out of line criticizing the outcome. Such may well be the case concerning this balloon and whether it should been destroyed immediately or not. Regardless, you certainly reserve for yourself the option of criticizing Biden's decision. What is good for the goose is good for the gander, I always say.
So, do the Biden-bash, its the latest smash...Finally, you made a good one . . 'The Biden-bash, it's the latest smash'.
In having the luxury of only knowing what the media has presented, I think Pres. Biden got this one right. Maybe an examination of the wreckage will tell us more.
If the explanation that this was a political statement by China has any merit, I like our response. We didn't 'shoot from the hip', but we did shoot.
GAreally --- "That is not your call. So, you would say that the President was unwise to take advice from the military as to how to confront the threat?"
We had a freaken huge Chines aircraft Balloon that could have had literally anything, a load of sth-t, Nicear payload, a wonderful virus.. And you feel we were safer not to shoot it down over the Aleutian islands out in the ocean than letting this balloon travel over the US, and ultimately blowing it up in the Atlantic ocean?
One question --- How did what factually happen to make us safer?
And this Balloon was being watched for weeks... YA think the Pentagon did not brief Bden from the moment it was discovered? And ya think the pentagon suggested letting this balloon enter our airspace, and then our Continental United States? I really think the Pentagon will be called before congress, and give a very detailed account of what the president was told from day one to the day it was shot down. In my view, this was not in any respect what our Pentagon would have done from the get-go.And what were the Pentagon's recommendation to the President, did they recommend that he shoot it down immediately? Would shooting it down immediately pose a threat to anyone below in regards to contents unknown? Do you really know?
As you always say when it comes to defending that Boy Scout of yours, let's wait for the facts before we come to conclusions.We have absolutely no clue as to what the Pentagon advised on any given day the issue was occurring. We know what Biden said he said they advised on Wednesday. When the Balloon was in the Country for days. I would like to know what they advised when the Ballon was out in the ocean in our airspace as it approached the Aleutian islands.
"Was it not a reasonable step to take the advice of his military advisors to assess the actual threat and ignore the conservatives and their armchair warriors? How is it that these “warriors” have access to information that the President does not?"
Biden was careful to share what he was told Wednesday. Did he share what he was told in the month this balloon was being observed as it headed to our air space? Is it your thought that the Pentagon would have been up with letting this object into our airspace? And do you think the Pentagon if called before Congress (which they will) will actually say they told the president "just let this balloon come on in, and cross the
nation?
Republican congresspeople have been all over the tube stating they were not briefed on this national crisis and will be holding hearings, getting to what occured, and when, and yes who was responsible for letting a maneuverable balloon that we had no knowledge of it carried a
payload.
It well appears that yes the Pentagon did advise him to not shoot it down --- This was their advice after it was over the US. I want to hear what they told them many days before.
I say Biden knew about the balloon well before it reached our airspace. I want to hear what the Pentagon advises at that point.
This is all on Biden. He put our nation in danger in my view.Much speculation without supporting evidence from you, thus far.
Yes, this comment is ultimately my view. I gleaned my view from thus far the live Pentagon pressor, and a couple of words Biden offered on his way to the helicopter. Biden has not really given much in the way of pressors.
As I have mentioned I think we will learn a lot about this issue this week. In fact, I think tomorrow we will learn more.
It has become so apparent he is dangerous with this last mess he has gotten the US in. What more will he do? I feel the senate would dump him. I mean he is a huge dead weight that is unpredictable, and destructive. Can anyone really afford to support this very confused dangerous man?
I feel even before this, the Dems were distancing themselves. If the Senate needed to vote for impeachment now, I feel they would. Not sure any of them want to be associated with this kind of a mess... For God's sake he let a Chinese craft pass into our airspace, and then let it slowly pass over the country. I will not be surprised if the second balloon will be allowed in.
However, we do see he left the media truly selling a true bunch of BS to the Dems. And it's apparent many are so far gone --- they are ready for open airspace, as well as open airspace.
Let's look at one very clear fact --- a balloon that is being maneuvered by the Chinese entered our airspace and is traveling unfettered through the Nation.
The pentagon can dance as fast as they please to appease those that will look past that fact.
I ask, and ask it bluntly --- What is our do-nothing president, and his do-nothing administration in regard to a Chinese balloon that crossed into our airspace? What did they do to stop this balloon from entering our airspace?
Last I knew we were a sovereign Nation, our airspace was respected. Seems this administration sees things differently. I find this unexpectable.
You are diverting once again. This is not about Congress, this is about Biden, his administration, and our airspace being totally ignored by
China. The only thing Congress should be doing today is bringing impeachment charges against Biden for his inability to keep America safe from invaders of our airspace. So, yes, I am very disappointed in Congress.
Maybe you could offer an opinion on the subject at hand -- the Chinese ignoring our sovereign airspace. Do you also feel we should have open borders? Just curious. A yes/no answer will suffice.
So odd to see some letting the pure problem of China ignoring our airspace.Apparently this has happened before and I guess we hadn't heard about it? No one had seen it? But the gentleman conducting the Pentagon briefing clearly stated this happened in the previous administration. Additionally China is collecting information on us daily through satellites. I'm more comfortable with the Pentagon taking the lead on this and the president using their guidance. I do not feel that the Pentagon officials are partisan hacks plain and simple. I think people may be blowing this a bit out of proportion considering the fact that China has spy satellites over the United States now, in the past and will in the future. The Pentagon assured us that this balloon would be no more advanced than what they've already got aimed at us. As far as for blowing it up, I'll let the people who have the inside knowledge make that decision. Maybe they launched a balloon because they're satellite stopped working? Who knows, China isn't very cutting edge when it comes to technology. I've also read that there is currently another balloon over Latin America. I don't know maybe China has no control over these balloons whatsoever.
Tried of seeing and hearing this from the left media. --- "Apparently this has happened before and I guess we hadn't heard about it? "
The General that conducted the pressor was very careful not to give any details on when, where or even if the Chinese were allowed to cross into our airspace without being detoured and sent out quickly. So until you offer some quotes that actually factually say where, when, and the circumstances --- I consider your statement media fodder and the General's words twisted to suit what they fed up to a hungry audience.
I have offered the transcript to the latest Pentagon pressor. several times on this thread.
The president is the one to make the final decision. He has pretty much embarrassed the Pentagon, in my view. Hopefully, this was not their fault.
"I've also read that there is currently another balloon over Latin America. I don't know maybe China has no control over these balloons whatsoever."
So, although your view on this is just your view, we have been provided some facts on the matter of the maneuverability of the Chinese Balloon.
Genera Ryderl claimed at least twice at the pressor the balloon can be maneuvered. To quote Gen Ryder-
"Q: But is it — you say that it's moving eastward and it's over the continental U.S. It's change — it's not over Montana anymore. Is the Chinese government controlling the movement of the balloon, or is it just floating with air streams?
GEN. RYDER: -- Thanks, Jennifer. So I'm not going to go into any specific intelligence that we may have. Again, we know this is a Chinese balloon and that it has the ability to maneuver, but I'll just leave it at that."
You once again ignored the questions in my comment, and went off-subject Do you have any view in regard to what has factually occurred?
I ask, and ask it bluntly --- What did the president, and his administration do in regard to a Chinese balloon that crossed into our airspace? What did they do to stop this balloon from entering our airspace?
A clear fact is there is a balloon that is being maneuvered in some fashion, that has entered our airspace and is traveling unfettered through the Nation. Do you find this acceptable?
Maybe you could offer an opinion on the subject at hand -- the Chinese ignoring our sovereign airspace, and we were clearly put in danger by the fact Biden let this mess occur.
"Who knows, China isn't very cutting edge when it comes to technology. "
Really? I just hope the second balloon is not welcomed into our airspace. I certainly won't be surprised if it is. I mean how much more of an embarrassment could Biden cause America on the world stage?Advance to the 16:30 time frame of the press conference.
https://youtu.be/4r9wp3OZblI
My view is that any president faced with defense concerns should tried to any be guided by the Pentagon. It is my view that they are the experts. Yes, the president has the final word but I hope that they would all including President Biden understand their limitations of knowledge/skill in such an arena. I'm sure any president would probably have their own inclination toward certain actions they would like to take but I would like to believe that if those actions didn't square with the Pentagon they would be abandoned. I defer to The experts. While my electrician might have an idea what I should do with my plumbing, I prefer he'd stay out of it.
As far as President Biden "welcoming" a balloon into our airspace, I would like to think that he has been thoroughly briefed and guided by the Pentagon.I must question this --- "My view is that any president faced with defense concerns should tried to any be guided by the Pentagon."
We have no idea when Biden was first briefed about this balloon or how many times they offered advice, and did that advice change daily as it approved the no-return area that bit could safely bring it down.
Bide, as well as the Pentagon, were talking about a briefing on this last Wednesday. Jan. 28 The balloon entered U.S. airspace on Jan. 28 north of the Aleutian Islands in Alaska, according to a senior military official.
I am very sure the General Ryde will be called before Congress to ascertain every single briefing Biden was given and will need to provide what advice they offered him at each and every briefing.
gen Ryder did not bring anything up about how long the Pentagon was aware of the balloon in his pressors. He was very careful to be truthful but was not about to hang himself.
The entire story that this happened during the Trump administration has been shot down... By several of the Trump administration. As well as Trump put out a statement calling the Biden administration's accusations false. The Democrats are dirty and vile.
Not sure how anyone could minimize or defend this current issue. Biden put us all in a state of possible danger.
Okay, you've heard that "it's not a threat"?
Why is it here, over Montana, last I heard...why?
Is China feeling a little cocky perhaps? Why?Who knows? It's possible China is trying to probe and see how this administration will react to something like this. They're pushing us to see how we will respond? I don't think it's wise for a lot of ignorant, uneducated politicians speculating on this balloon. It's painful that a lot of these fools need to constantly make ill-informed commentary to gain political points.
A senior defense official said the U.S. did get fighter jets, including F-22s, ready to shoot down the balloon if ordered to by the White House. The Pentagon ultimately recommended against it, noting that even as the balloon was over a sparsely populated area of Montana, its size would create a debris field large enough that it could have put people at risk.
Maybe we can just let the Pentagon handle this? They would be the ones most equipped.
Also, during the Pentagon press briefing we were made aware that this was not the first time an event like this has occurred. Similar incidents had happened under the previous administration and we were made aware that those were classified. There have been other instances where balloons have crossed into our territory.If you watch the Pentagon press conference it was clearly stated that it happened in the last administration and comments wouldn't be made on it because it was classified.
Okay, what do they mean by "similar incidents?"
I'm sure if a balloon like this was seen over the United States during President Trump's administration, we would have heard about it. The mainstream press would have gone bonkers.
Why were they classified during the previous administration but not now?
This whole thing stinks in a big way.I have provided a link to the Pentagon briefing below. They have not fully admitted to when or where, or how far any Chinese craft has entered our airspace. In fact, the General that spoke at the presser was very careful when answering the several questions that pertain to China sending any craft into our airspace. . The transcript is a good tool to read what was said, and the context it was said. His words on the subject are clear.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript … -briefing/
I would think we will hear more on that very subject in the next few days.
"A senior defense official said the U.S. did get fighter jets, including F-22s, ready to shoot down the balloon if ordered to by the White House. The Pentagon ultimately recommended against it, noting that even as the balloon was over a sparsely populated area of Montana, its size would create a debris field large enough that it could have put people at risk."
Have you ever been to Montana? There are places in that state where there are no people for many hundreds of miles. It could have easily been shot down over an unpopulated area in that state.
This is propaganda pure and simple. I'm not gullible enough to buy into it.
Creates more suspicion about biden's relationship with the Chinese government.Again, the pentagon is putting out smoke... The balloon should have never been allowed in our airspace period... Come on let's look at the real problem, These fools for some unknown reason let this balloon pass into the US. And thus far we have no confirmation about this horrendous mistake.
The pentagon has not touched on why it was allowed to pass into the country. In fact, they have not made mention of why it was not shot down before it entered our airspace.
You are so correct this is all propaganda... smoke, a dance. And you can see even right here where the conversation is going...
The fact is our pentagon and President let this big-ass maneuverable Chinee balloon enter our airspace, they have zero ideas what is in this balloon or what it is capable of doing. The pentagon pressor gave no information in regards to any of that. The general was very careful to give very little information on the balloon itself.
I am with you, I am very much, and have been concerned over Biden's relationship with China. I have made no secret, I feel he is comprised on many levels. Congress needs to impeach him.
"I don't think it's wise for a lot of ignorant, uneducated politicians speculating on this balloon. It's painful that a lot of these fools need to constantly make ill-informed commentary to gain political points."
I was scanning the commentary once more and what really sticks out to me, which I didn't catch before...
You, Faye, are giving Communist China, who have plagued this Nation with fentanyl and COVID, and now have been caught RED- handed BLATANTLY spying on us, a pass!!
Your first instinct or intent is to condemn/bash/insult elected U.S. officials, who are actually concerned about China's intentions (unlike our inept, compromised, President) why?
Why do you automatically choose to go against the best interest of this Country? You do it repeatedly!
I am calling you out!
What's your game?!?
The very fact some are ignoring --- we are a sovereign nation we have airspace. China has not respected our airspace. They have entered our airspace with a maneuverable craft, that this President has given open permission (due to doing nothing before it entered, and now after it is in our airspace) to go and do what they may ---
My God this BS mindset has now become dangerous in my view. It is clear some feel this issue is no biggie. Just as many see our open borders as an issue.
It is interesting that those outside of power always know exactly what those in power should do in a given set of circumstances.
Transcript to Pentagon pressor Feb 3, 2023, This account from Pentagon Press Secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder provides the facts, as the General carefully answers questions.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript … -briefing/Chinese officials said the balloon drifted off course.
Should we just believe them?
"Okay, no problem ... and could you please get it back on whatever course it is supposed to be on ... lickity-split, as in pronto! Please?"IT has been confirmed by the Pentagon the balloon is being maneuvered by China.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript … -briefing/
Or...Jewish space lasers in there?
Faye, you have used this phrase before and AOC just used it on the House floor, in her most theatrical performance to date. It isn't funny when either of you use it. There is no evidence of MTG ever uttering these words.
Perhaps we can start another forum discussion, since this has absolutely nothing to do with Chinese surveillance/spy balloons, and you can prove me wrong?https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump … 9674a9afe6
She is the gift of crazy that never stops giving.
She was convinced a plane crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 either...I believe that you believe it, but you are just piling on, you haven't produced any evidence.
I suggest you read what she actually wrote on November 17, 2018.
The article you provided is way of base.
"Connecting a series of scattershot points, Greene suggested a bank controlled by the Rothschild family, who are Jewish, a utility company responsible for the fire and then-Gov. Jerry Brown had a compelling motive to spark the blaze: clearing the path for a high speed rail project Brown wanted. She also floated the possibility that the fires could have been started by “lasers or blue beams of light” shot down from space by allies of Brown who were said to be in the solar energy industry."
Okay, so, the truth of the matter is that she NEVER mentioned "Jewish Space Lasers." This was false narrative promoted by the lunatics on left BECAUSE the Rothchild Family...is Jewish. This is just a very pathetic attempt to take out of context something that she wrote.
Sorry, it was never spoken by MTG. That is a FACT. The link you provided proves it. Never believe anything posted by the Left-Wing, George Soros funded Media Matters. It is, always has been, and always will be, nothing but leftist propaganda.
Reminds me how they falsely accused the Florida law as being "Don't say Gay" bill, when there was no such thing in the bill. Nothing even close to it.You are diverting. this has nothing to do with MTG. This is about a president letting a maneuverable balloon that we have no idea what is in the balloon maneuver its way across our country.
This is about how we appear to the rest of our aviaries, and about the possible danger this ass clown of a president put our nation in danger.
You are absolutely right!
I challenge any and ALL on the left to provide a video of MTG saying these exact words. Not a low IQ left-wing political pundit providing their warped interpretation of things, MTG actually saying these words.
Waiting.I will not hijack this thread but she outlined her view on the lasers on Facebook which she has since deleted but it can still be found on Twitter . The AP link I added previously discusses mini of the crazy things she has said.
Canada didn’t shoot it down, either. They called the Chinese ambassador in, protested and discussed the situation, and did other things which they say that they are not at liberty to share with the public because they want to protect the country.
The Canadian report says that U.S. planes that explored it said there were no weapons on the outside, but there were high resolution cameras. It’s being described as a potential spy balloon.
When you don’t know the complete structure of the balloon and where the debris from an attack on it is going to fall, the discussion about attacking it is not as simple as some people may think.Absolutely correct in not knowing who it will fall on. Now that it is inside our borders, anyway; Who it would hit could have been established within very narrow margins of error in the 200 mile radius around the Aleutian islands. It should have been taken down there, doubly so as the rough track could have been projected with a fair accuracy. And if it could not then it is even more maneuverable than we have been led to believe.
Do you find it odd some can just ignore the fact that this balloon could have been downed before it came into America? Making ridiculous excuses to justify this dangerous issue?
We have no idea what is in this balloon or maybe we do, maybe China warned us of the payload, and who knows what could have occurred in the Chines possible bluff?
MY god, this has been scary and makes us look like complete fools around the world.I could not be taken down with impunity until it DID enter our airspace (or at least within 200 sea miles of our border).
But we had plenty of time during that period when it was over the Aleutians. Not sure why it wasn't done then.
"The Canadian report says that U.S. planes that explored it said there were no weapons on the outside, but there were high resolution cameras. It’s being described as a potential spy balloon."
Not to be rude, but could you offer a source for that comment?
Our Pentagon statements do not support that> They did Identify a "payload" was noted, but they did not confirm what the payload was.
."When you don’t know the complete structure of the balloon and where the debris from an attack on it is going to fall, the discussion about attacking it is not as simple as some people may think."
This makes good sense. However, the Balloon should have never been allowed into our airspace, where we ever had to consider debris falling over our Country. We are a sovereign Nation, countries must respect our airspace.
I am not acquainted with Canada's laws on airspace. It would appear you may have none, due to the Balloon being welcomed to enter and cross parts of your country, after calling the Chinese ambassador in, protesting, and discussing the situation.
Did Canada realize the balloon was coming in the days before it crossed into your country?The information comes from the CTV, a major television company in Canada.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada- … -1.6259770
Canada certainly has laws about its airspace. As I said in my first post, some of the information related to the balloon is being kept confidential. The balloon was highly unlikely to have been welcomed. The article inficates that Canada and the United States were working together on at least some aspects of the situation.
I just received a notification on my phone that the balloon has been shot down over the Atlantic Ocean. I haven't investigated this news yet.I felt Canada must have sovereign airspace. But I was not sure. I think we will hear a lot of information on the path of this balloon, and so much more about what they advised and when. I suspect they wanted to down it before it came into our airspace. I have listened to the Pentagon pressor a couple of times and read it on hardcopy. General Ryder was very careful in how he worded his answers to all questions.
Who's the head needs to roll on this one --- not sure as of yet. This was a very serious dangerous incident that could have been very tragic. It was not, but in my view, that should not even be part of the conversation.I agree that an investigation could be useful, but I think the situation went as well as possible.
The balloon entered the continent over part of Alaska and spent some time there. I don’t know how populated the area that it travelled through was. It then travelled through Canada and more of the United States.
The balloon couldn’t be shot down over an inhabited area because it may have killed people. It’s good that it was tracked and then eliminated over the Atlantic Ocean.
"This makes good sense. However, the Balloon should have never been allowed into our airspace, where we ever had to consider debris falling over our Country. We are a sovereign Nation, countries must respect our airspace"
How would this have been accomplished though? We didn't have the right to go into Canadian airspace and shoot it down?
I mean technically an object has to cross into your airspace before you're able to take action upon it correct?It crossed the Aleutians, a chain of islands off the coast of Alaska that are part of the US. Our airspace.
Not all of the Aleutian Islands belong to America. There is also a population there. Sparse I'm sure. I don't know the exact trajectory the balloon took but it could have been too close to Russian territorial Waters?
Do you need the miles around the Aleutian Islands that belong to America's airspace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defen … Z_2009.jpg
Please note the map that shows the path of the balloon. I would guess Canada would have pretty much felt better if we would have taken it down before they needed to have a big Chines aircraft with an unknown payload passing over their citizens. I guess we might hear more on the account this week.
Just three more buses with illegal immigrants! If we cannot prevent a balloon from illegally crossing our space, what are we to expect when it is not just a balloon?
That crossed my mine at two, we are up to four now...
This time I think Biden has the country in real trouble. I mean it's clear that we have a problem with China continuing to come at us with "Who knows what these objects are". We do know China is taunting Biden
I Have said from day one, this man is dangerous, the county of floundering it's on autopilot, and we are running out of fuel.
And American citizens appear like they are dazed, just not even thinking clearly. in my view, China is not showing this aggression for fun and games.
We need to have our gas stoves and our gas cars.
Electric cars will produce very bad pollution by way of the large cumbersome batteries which will be shoved somewhere into the earth after they are no longer chargeable.
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