Can We Say This is an Incitement of Violence Yet?

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   Valeantposted 13 months ago

   Trump between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m. last night:
   
   “What kind of person can charge another person, in this case a former president of the United States, who got more votes than any sitting president in history, and leading candidate (by far!) for the Republican Party nomination, with a crime, when it is known by all that NO crime has been committed, & also that potential death & destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our country?  Why & who would do such a thing? Only a degenerate psychopath that truely hates the USA!”
   
   Let alone posting this posting of himself with a baseball bat and Bragg in the next frame.
   
   
   
   In my view, he's giving his violent followers the justification to attack the people prosecuting him and using the violent imagery and language to program them.  How can people still support this lunatic?

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      "more votes"? He lost the popular vote twice. Once by three million and once by seven million. Does he not know there is such a thing as fact checker?

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         Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

         The key words in Trump's statement last night was "sitting president". The context was there, but I think most would see the comment as you did.
         
         "President Donald Trump has so far received 73.6 million popular votes in the 2020 election, surpassing the previous record set by President Barack Obama by more than 7 million, giving him the most votes of any sitting president in U.S. history.
         
         As of Thursday morning, Trump has received a total of 73,559,030 votes and counting, according to The New York Times.
         
         That number has set the record for the most votes ever received by a SITTING president, surpassing Obama's 65,915,795 popular votes in his 2012 incumbent victory against Republican challenger Mitt Romney."
         https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps- … ry-1548742
         
         We should all by now be aware of the final numbers Biden won by.
         
         It remains a record unbroken thus far.  It will be interesting to see if a sitting president can beat Trump's record.

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      wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      " How can people still support this lunatic?"
      
      Perhaps by shutting down their overactive imagination?

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         Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

         So you don't see dehumanizing language, violent word choices, and an image of Trump with a baseball bat opposite an image of the DA investigating him as incitement? 
         
         Another thing we can disagree on and very different realities we live in.

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         Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

         ROTFLMAO

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         Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

         Was this not an article that was posted at National File?  I don't think Trump put that image together, did he?  Did he share it somewhere? 
         
         I did not find the photo shared on Truth Social. I think most would be surprised to see what he posts on Truth. I don't think he is tweeting.
         
         I have read the statement (opening paragraph) you posted. But not sure he condoned the pic? 
         
         It certainly looks like he feels he committed no crime and is out there making that claim.

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            Coltonlarsen1975posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Trump posted it to his Truth Social.  Along with threatening death and destruction of he's indicted.  Just incredible

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               wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

               You mean the prophesy of destruction?  I didn't see any threat, just a prediction.  Although the bat was certainly out of line.

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                  Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Out of line.  Geesh.  Cannot even acknowledge that it was a pretty clear call to violence.
                  
                  Of course, in the minds of the far-right, I'm surprised they haven't come out with 'Trump shares excitement for upcoming opening day games with good friend Alvin Bragg.'

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                  Coltonlarsen1975posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  The man is dangerously unbalanced but is unfortunately the head of the Republican Party. It will be interesting to see how far he goes in inciting violence yet again and if any in the party have the cajones to take a stand against him.

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                     IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                     So are many of his blind followers.

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                     wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                     It will be even more interesting to see if, after 7 some years of effort and trying, Democrats finally find something to convict him of.
                     
                     Perhaps they can find a jaywalking ticket somewhere, right?

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                        Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        There's been plenty to convict him of.  Problem has been the spineless members of the GOP in Congress that rely on the base voters of Trump during his presidency during those four years.  And a base of voters that live in an alternate reality where they think Trump has not broken any laws.

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                           Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                           Val, Please clear something up for me, if you can. Where did you find the National File blurb and photo you used n your  OP?
                           
                           I have not located it n Truth Social, and I have not seen Trump tweet even though his account is open.  I am wondering if Trump shared the pic and blurb.

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                              Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                              The @realdonaldtrump on that post is from his Truth Social account.  He deleted the post after taking so much heat because of the content.

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                                 Coltonlarsen1975posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                                 Just long enough to get the message through to his rabid followers.

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               Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

               I have not located this National File pic and the blurb on Trump's Truth page.
               I am sure Val will clear up where he found it.  I trust his research.

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                  Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Trump did indeed re-post it to Truth Social after seeing it in the National File, but deleted it when he likely realized it was a clear threat and he was potentially adding a new crime to his legal woes in New York.

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                     Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                     Thank you for clarifying.

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      peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Didn't know he had a twitter account. Thought he was banned!

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         Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

         He has been reinstated, but I have not noted him using the account as of yet. Not sure if Trump posted this photo that started out at National File.

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            Coltonlarsen1975posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            He posted it on truth social . Doesn't matter where it came from . He liked it enough to repost it.  He's a sick man

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               peterstreepposted 13 months agoin reply to this

               He's not a sick man. He's a fascist in the true sense of the word. He is using all the philosophies of fascism. That's abundantly clear.
               I was just surprised to see his Twitter name. But apparently it was from Truth Social. (Only accepting one truth on social media, the Trump truth. - Did I mention fascism...)
               Thanks for clearing that up.

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      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Have there been any protests in regard to this issue as of yet?  I am still waiting to see if Braggs indicts Trump.  Can't figure out why the leak, and then no indictment. 
      
      It will be interesting to see where this all goes.

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         Coltonlarsen1975posted 13 months agoin reply to this

         What leak?? It was Trump who made  up the claim he would be indicted. He just threw it out there.

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            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            No, actually the report was leaked and reported first by  NBC.
            "March 17, 2023, 1:27 PM EDT
            By Jonathan Dienst
            Local, state and federal law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that former President Donald Trump will be indicted as early as next week, according to FIVE SENIOR OFFICIALS  familiar with the preparations. "
            
            "Law enforcement agencies are conducting preliminary security assessments, the officials said, and are discussing potential security plans in and around the Manhattan Criminal Court, at 100 Centre Street, in case Trump is charged in connection with an alleged hush money payment to Stormy Daniels and travels to New York to face any charges.
            
            The officials stress that the interagency conversations and planning are precautionary in nature because no charges have been filed. "
            https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … -rcna75493
            
            Trump came out on March 18, Saturday with his statement.
            https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- … 023-03-18/
            
            Your comment is based on misinformation or perhaps your view.

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               Coltonlarsen1975posted 13 months agoin reply to this

               Noting ever came from Bragg's office. Trump never cited a source.  He made it up so he could try and control the narrative.  He knew absolutely nothing and obviously he wasn't indicted Tuesday so it was all a bunch of speculative crap . Maybe  Trump shouldn't listen to unamed sources??

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                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, and neither should have NBC left the propaganda network... I note you disregarded my sources, the facts, and the dates. Can't blame you because much of the media nowadays is unreliable. They lie to suit a narrative.  However, the dates speak loudly to dispel your original comment that there were no leaks, and that "Trump made it up"...
                  
                  "COLTONLARSEN1975 WROTE:
                  What leak?? It was Trump who made up the claim he would be indicted. He just threw it out there."
                  
                     Not much more I can provide or am willing to. I proved my point with sources.
                  
                  You do realize the State Of New York has a sitting Grand Jury at this point still in session on this issue? I would think if this AG does not come up with a charge he will look pretty dam stupid.
                  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/23/nyre … delay.html

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   Valeantposted 13 months ago

   Apparently, some of the bomb threats are coming from Russian accounts.  Seems like the Russians are still working to protect their chosen one.
   https://www.law360.com/articles/1589920 … rump-probe
   
   And we've got the first death threat report as someone mailed a letter to Bragg.  Not surprising with the targeting Trump has been doing on social media.
   https://www.newsweek.com/alvin-bragg-th … on-1790254
   
   There seems to be a lot of domestic terrorism coming from those supporting Trump.  But those on the right here will continue to sweep the cause and effect under the rug.  Nothing to see for them.

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      wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      It has been shown, I believe, that Russia made feeble attempts to affect the election by providing bad information.
      
      Are you of the opinion that they have stopped, or do you believe (as I do) that they will never stop - that they will continue to manipulate our information (and our politics) at every opportunity?

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         Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

         Considering you always downplay what was actually done by the Russians, how to qualify the attempts will be something else we disagree on.  Of course the Russians will continue to manipulate our politics and the right will continue to deny that it is being done to help their side because it mirrors the type of government they truly wish existed in the United States.
         
         But as I figured, not even an acknowledgement of the death threat.

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            wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            As far as I know, Russia made a few posts on social media.  Hard to "downplay" that much further as a means to change an election.  It certainly doesn't come close to conducting a faux impeachment in an effort to do the same thing.
            
            Yeah, I saw the reference to a death threat, but as it didn't come from Trump I figured you wouldn't care.  Unless you're blaming Trump for the actions of an unknown idiot?  Is he also to blame for the hundreds of actual murders in our country every day?

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               Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

               Right, 'as far as you know' because you have never actually read the report about what was done, saying falsely that it's just 'a few posts on social media' over and over again in these threads.
               
               Trump has been running a negative and violent social media campaign for his followers against all the people investigating him for weeks now.  His language aims to dehumanize those people as a means of justification.  It is the same cause and effect we saw on January 6, when the FBI Office in Cincinnati was violently attacked directly after Trump attacked the FBI from his social media, when two of his supporters were arrested after planning to attack the Philadelphia vote counting center that Trump had been complaining about in the media, and when one of his most ardent supporters mailed pipe bombs to all the people Trump had been railing about in the media. 
               
               How many examples of Trump supporters attacking people directly after Trump attacks them on social media does it take before you see a pattern?  For many at this site, the answer is never because they always find a way to excuse the most obvious and damaging conduct by their side.  Even if it is a clear example of inciting domestic terrorism.  They are no longer rational.

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                  Coltonlarsen1975posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Trump is going in heavy and hard with the Soros links against Bragg.  This line of attack is an antisemitic dog whistle reference to conspiracy theories that wealthy Jews are secretly trying to buy elections. THIS Is how anti semitism takes root and spreads.  Not even sure there is  evidence that George Soros has donated to Bragg. Even if he did, so what?  How about the billions that flow to rightwingers from the Koch network?  ALL politicians have wealthy donors. 
                  Republicans aren't even trying to hide the whole international Jewish bankers, anti-Semitic trope anymore.  But Trump really went in for a racist two-fer didn't he?  Depicting the black prosecuter as an animal backed by the leader of a Jewish cabal.  Sickening. This is what we've come to expect from Trump. Blatant appeals to white supremacists

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                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Then what DID Russia do?  Did they modify the counting machines?  I mean, we know Russians gave a fake and false report to Democrats to use in the election, but what else?
                  
                  But I see, I think.  Someone else did something wrong, so it is Trump's fault...because he told them to "march peacefully".  Got it - all you have to do is change the meaning of his words and he is at fault.

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                     Valeantposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                     I mean maybe you've heard of the hack of the Democratic National Committee and the subsequent release of materials that happened right after any negative media coverage Trump got.  Last I knew, hacking someone's computer was illegal, but that didn't stop Trump from encouraging the Russians on public television from doing it.  Nor did it stop the Russians from releasing materials pertaining to down ballot races as well. 
                     
                     And no, it wasn't 'a few posts.'  470 fake Facebook accounts were created, where just six of them had content shared at least 340 million times.  And those figures do not even count the ones at Reddit, Tumblr, Pinterest, Vine, Medium, Google+, Instagram, and YouTube.
                     
                     Deny the ugly rhetoric from Trump against his opposition and the subsequent attacks by his supporters on those same people.  Denial of hard truths is something the right is great at.  The country is used to the right living in alternate realities.  It's why their hard-right candidates keep getting their butt's kicked in national elections.

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                        Kathleen Cochranposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                        " The country is used to the right living in alternate realities."
                        Valeant: What I've observed in 50 years of watching this country's political scene is that republicans have been so wrong about so much for so long, their biggest fear is that someone else might actually be right about anything. So they rail against them. It's why the issues that the majority of American agree on can't move forward.

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