Never Have I Seen A President Seek So To Dived And Spread Hate
Here once again Biden stands at a podium swings around his hands, and rants, seeking and appoint blame on American citizens, ultimately Republican citizens. Without cause, without proof of the motive of why or what possessed this nut job that attacked Paul Pelosi. Although in front of only a handful of people who attended this campaign gathering, his words were, in my view, uncalled for as well as inappropriate for a President. However, I am very accustomed to this form of campaigning from the left, it still remains so distasteful to me. Especially in light of the temperature of America today, he never misses an opportunity to awaken hate and point his base's displeasure in the direction of Republicans. Well, I shared, how about you?
President Biden on Friday called the attack on Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) husband at their San Francisco home “despicable” and suggested it was a natural progression from lies Republicans have spread about the 2020 election.
“This is despicable. There’s no place in America. There’s too much violence, political violence, too much hatred, too much vitriol,” Biden said at the start of remarks to Pennsylvania Democrats.
“And what makes us think that one party can talk about stolen elections, COVID being a hoax, that it’s all a bunch of lies, and it not affect people who may not be so well balanced,” Biden continued.
“What makes us think that it’s not going to corrode the political climate? Enough is enough is enough. Every person of good conscience needs to clearly and unambiguously stand up against violence in our politics, no matter what your politics are.”
Biden said he’d spoken with Pelosi and helped arrange for her to get back from Washington, D.C., to San Francisco. Paul Pelosi, 82, underwent surgery for a skull fracture and is expected to make a full recovery.
Police said earlier Friday that the suspect in the case violently assaulted Paul Pelosi around 2:30 a.m. Authorities arrived at the home for a “priority well-being check” and found the two men tussling over a hammer. The suspect then gained control of the hammer and used it to attack Pelosi.
The Speaker was not in San Francisco at the time, according to her spokesman Drew Hammill. U.S. Capitol Police said she was in Washington, D.C., with her protective detail.
Before the assault occurred, the man confronted Paul Pelosi and shouted, “Where is Nancy? Where is Nancy?” according to a source briefed on the attack.
Biden on Friday connected that phrase to the events of Jan. 6, 2021, when rioters stormed the Capitol and many sought Nancy Pelosi out.
The attack on Paul Pelosi is the latest instance of political violence that has been on the rise in the United States in recent years.
Hundreds of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 to try to stop the certification of Biden’s victory after then-President Trump and his allies had claimed for weeks that the 2020 election was rigged and fraudulent.
A man was arrested earlier in June outside of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s home while carrying zip ties and weapons. A month later, another gun-toting man was arrested and charged with making death threats outside the Seattle home of Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), a prominent liberal figure.
Then-Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.) was shot during a district event in Tucson, Ariz., more than a decade ago, while Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), the Republican whip, was similarly targeted by a lone gunman on a baseball field in Virginia in 2017. Both almost died.
Biden and White House aides have repeatedly condemned political violence, and several Republicans have condemned the attack on Paul Pelosi, including former Vice President Mike Pence, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel.
Vice President Harris, who was also in Pennsylvania on Friday, told reporters that the attack on Pelosi was “an act of extreme violence” and that elected leaders have a responsibility to condemn such acts.
“There’s absolutely room and it is important to have public discourse when there are disagreements about policy,” Harris said. “But what we’ve been seeing recently is so base in terms of the reducing it down to something that I think is beneath the dignity and the intelligence of the American people.”
https://www.aol.com/news/biden-connects … 57271.htmlThe blame is with those politicians that regularly amplify these crazy conspiracy theories. The blame is also with media that does the same thing. This guy apparently wrote about and believed many crazy conspiracies that have been talked about by a wide range of politicians.
In a personal blog that DePape maintained, posts include such topics as “Manipulation of History,” “Holohoax” and “It’s OK to be white.” He mentioned 4chan, a favorite message board of the far right. He posted videos about conspiracies involving COVID-19 vaccines and the war in Ukraine being a ploy for Jewish people to buy land.DePape posted frequently on social media, often making racist and rambling comments that included questioning the results of the 2020 election.
DePape’s screeds included posts about QAnon, an unfounded theory that former President Trump is at war with a cabal of Satan-worshipping elites who run a child sex ring and control the world. In an Aug. 23 entry titled “Q,” DePape wrote: “Either Q is Trump himself or Q is the deepstate moles within Trumps inner circle.”
This is all the typical trove of trash that politicians like Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert and many others spew. Green had previously stated, in a now deleted video, that Nancy Pelosi was guilty of treason and that treason is punishable by death. I don't know, what do we do with the conspiracy crew? It's undeniable that they are driving political violence with their crazy and hateful speech.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor … y-theoriesI'm not sure I agree with you, at least not totally. I'm sure the media, politicians and the like are playing a part in the political violence we're seeing, but that's only a small part of the story, IMO.
Instead I would put the majority of the blame on people and politicians that allow, encourage and even participate in violence in our country. In the riots we saw and continue to see. In the refusal to stop the flood over our southern border. In the refusal to maintain the law as written, choosing instead to "go soft" on crime with little but a wrist slap for most criminal actions.
It all comes home, starting with the riots that are always politically charged, and it's beginning to bite at the rich and powerful rather than just we deplorable peons in the street. Maybe they'll listen now, at least if they can quit blaming Trump for everything and accept some themselves.Uh huh, these Democrats will never accept the blame. They will find some way to blame the previous administration. The Trump blame will even be exacerbated. The hatred of Trump among these people is still present. Trump wasn't that bad. Trump wanted to improve America-Biden is putting America in a horrid state of disrepair.
Well of course! Satan is, obviously, responsible for all the ills and evil in the world...even if he changes his name to "Trump"!
Wilderness, why d'you connoted the name Trump with Satan? Why not Nancy Pelosi? Is Trump that bad as Satan?
Ask a Democrat, or any liberal. Trump IS Satan, or at least a good facsimile thereof. Certainly Satan is a better person than Trump is. Just ask any liberal.
Wilderness, the Liberals are 'yes', 'no', 'no' 'yes', or. 'don't know'. Democrates answer can be wholly 'yes'. My further question: are you a Dem or...?
It is my assessment that Wilderness sides with Trump. Just a guess, but that's what I am picking up anyway.
Actually, I just think he likes to come here to argue with people. Much of the time, he hasn't done a lick of research before chiming in on topics.
Hi Springboard, Wilderness has been a consistent presence in this forum for years, and I've come to appreciate his contributions. Despite reading through his posts, it's challenging to peg him into any specific political affiliation. What stands out to me is his remarkable common sense and intelligence. He doesn't engage in the typical partisan bickering that often plagues political discussions. Instead, Wilderness offers thought-provoking insights without resorting to divisive rhetoric.
What I admire most about Wilderness is his ability to stimulate meaningful discourse and leave us with plenty of food for thought. His communication style is effortless and engaging, making interactions with him a pleasure.
It is being reported that the man that attacked Paul Pelosi is mentally ill. I will keep my comment short, I disagree with the majority of what you shared. I find it disturbing that you feel you can assume why this disturbed mentally ill individual did what he did.
In my view, Biden" demeanor and words were very accusatory, and whoever wrote that speech succeeded, It offered feed, for those that thrive on hate. Maybe you need to consider his words more carefully.
And what's this? You attack Biden by accusing him of hate speech and at the same time you doubt the violent attack has a political motive.
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Anybody, no matter what political color should condemn such an attack without hesitation, buts or excuses."And what's this? You attack Biden by accusing him of hate speech and at the same time you doubt the violent attack has a political motive."
Please read my comments, you have clearly taken my words out of context. By no means did I doubt the violent attack. I clearly did not share my thoughts on the attack itself.
I certainly condemn violence, of any form. I also have read all that media has released on the man that attacked Paul Pelosi. Interviews with his friends, and people that knew him intimately, as well I have read what media has offered from his social media. It well appears this man is mentally ill. It is also obvious he had adverse political ideologies, that go from one end of the spectrum to the other.
I can respect your thoughts on this issue. My point, I did not offer my opinion on this man's motives, what caused him to commit this kind of violence, or my feelings about the crime.
I was pointing out, very clearly I might add, that the President of the United States stood at a podium and instead of using his words to calm the nation, took the opportunity to point a finger at a segment of Americans. ---
"This is despicable. There’s no place in America. There’s too much violence, political violence, too much hatred, too much vitriol,” Biden said at the start of remarks to Pennsylvania Democrats.
“And what makes us think that one party can talk about stolen elections, COVID being a hoax, that it’s all a bunch of lies, and it not affect people who may not be so well balanced,” Biden continued.
His very words could do the same... They stand to awaken the same form of an unbalanced person.
Biden took the opportunity to awaken anger on both sides. of a very divided America. This was my point. My OP had absolutely nothing to do with my feelings about violence, only about a man that stood at a podium and stoked anger. Most likely for political reasons.
Hopefully, this has clarified my OP and my view in regard to any form of violence.Isn't it time to forget political different points of view at a moment like this and strongly condemn political violence?
By talking more about Biden's reaction then the attempted murder you trivialize the act of violence. You find Biden's reaction towards violence more terrible than the violent attack itself.
But you go even further, you accuse Biden of hate speech and link it to the attempted murder of the husband of Pelosi. Making him accomplice.I am of my OP. I pointed out once again a man that jumps the gun to politics and does it in a most distasteful manner, he points a crowd in the direction of another crowd.
This was the subject of my OP. I was careful not to even mention my feelings about the Pelosi attack. Just a president that once again is taking advantage of a situation to stoke division and anger.
My feeling about the attack, I am very sorry for Mr. Pelosi, and his wife. I do not condone violence under any circumstances or make
excuses for it.
I did not trivialize the violence, I separated it from what I hoped to point out as a president that will take advantage of a situation to smear others, and inspire hate.
I will quote a statement that truely comes to the point of my OP.
"Isn't it time to forget political different points of view at a moment like this and strongly condemn political violence?" peterstreep
Too bad you could not get this statement to the President of The United States. It's very sad we have a president that takes every and all advantage to point out political differences.
I never trivialize violence, nor do I ignore any that spread hate and division, especially when it comes from the president of The US.Than let's say that your criticism about the President criticizing violence on politicians is bad timing!
Bad timing... Really? Is there ever a good or bad time for a President to stoke hate and violence toward a specific group? I hold home accountable for everything that comes put of his mouth.
We have a very confused president, once again witnessed due to his non-sensical words on Friday. Claiming once again his son was killed in Iraq, and that he personally spoke with the man that created insulin. The problem the man was dead before Biden was born. This is not his first confused thought in regard to recalling talking to dead men, and most likely won't be his last.
So, it's always questionable if Biden is responsible for what he says. Timing is the least of many Americans' problems with Biden, he is becoming more confused daily.
News Week
https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-gaffe-f … sm-1756156
What you have elucidated is so true. Biden acknowledged his division or rather hatred of those who are conservative/s/ Republicans, or even Liberals/Democrats who disagree with him. He even stated on a podcast station that if a member of a sociocultural group won't vote for him, that member isn't a member of that sociocultural group. He is the most divisive president ever. Not even Trump was that divisive.
He certainly is divisive. he has used this technique throughout his history in Washington, lying, making up stupid stories that he thinks one wants to hear and spreading anger pointing in any direction he thought would help him win in his time running for Senate, and in 2020.
I think citizens have long moved on from that kind of campaign.Sure. Trump put America and her people first. All others are secondary. Proof: he build a wall againrst illegal immigrants, that usual cause divisions. He even goes far as to check those coming in with passport and legal papers, who have divisive criminal bent.
And then there is this piece of work... Stoking hate, pointing blame at the Republican party.
"Clinton tweeted the link to that story along with the message: "The Republican Party and its mouthpieces now regularly spread hate and deranged conspiracy theories. It is shocking, but not surprising, that violence is the result. As citizens, we must hold them accountable for their words and the actions that follow."
But I guess old habits die hard, she just could not stop herself, it sort of seems to be like an addiction with some politicians.John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X
Ronald Reagan (failed attempt, barely)
I would say what we have seen recently is bad, but compared to what we saw from 1961-to-1981 this is not terribly bad... it could be a lot worse.On the contrary, in my humble opinion, the present times are worse and I am qualified to know something about it as having lived thru the 1961-1981 period.
As tumultuous as those times were, the foundation of our rule of law and Constitution were never tampered with. I say that with exception of a bubble or two, but we were generally moving forward, not backwards.
I watch Nisxon step down because of Watergate crimes in 1974, but today a man whose crime is greater by magnitudes than Nixon's is protected and even endorsed by one errant political party. While in 1974, Republicans told Nixon that he had to go. So much for decency and bipartisanship today which has gone by the wayside.
And yet it is well appropriate that the times began with Kennedy and ended with Reagan's first term.
Right now, the current contention and uncertainty rivals that of the Civil War era."I watch Nixon step down because of Watergate crimes in 1974, but today a man whose crime is greater by magnitudes than Nixon's is protected and even endorsed by one errant political party."
Good description of what the Democrats are doing with Uncle Joe.Late Richard Nixon, was a gentleman, playing politics fair and square. But today, it's had to find his type. And if they's any near that line or circle, could it be Trump, who at the end of his 4 years tenure resign to fate in a stolen election? God save America!
When Compared with Donald Trump, my golden retriever is more of a "gentleman". When Nixon got caught with his "hand in the cookie jar", he did the gentlemanly thing and stepped down. Trump is well aware of the fact that he lost the election. Why he continues to parade around saying otherwise and have so much of a cowardly Republican Party parrot him like a "Polly wants a cracker" is beyond me. A gentlemen, rather than create this falsehood and fantasy, would have stepped aside once it was determined that he in fact LOST.
If people have allowed themselves to become this daft in their heads, we are beyond saving, by anyone.
The issues surrounding Nixon and his removal, his stepping down, reflected upon a government where no one was the above the law. Both parties held to that belief back in those days, but now that very premise as the foundation of our society and government is at risk as never before.Credence2, then who's to blame? The Republcans or Democrates, or both? Grant the fact that Trump knew he lost the election, why is Biden, not carry the people along? Were these that really vote for him? I'm wondering.
Yes, I see your point. I have faith that a new administration could strat turning things around.
But the Republican candidates in this midterm, regularly spread conspiracy theory and debunked claims of a rigged 2020 election, it is their main talking point.
We must be watching different Republican candidates. Most pretty much stick to campaigning on current issues/problems. Most will not touch on the 2020 election and take care of how they answer questions about the 2020 election. I will give you most are promoting America first policies.
However, many of us appreciate that agenda.Nearly 6 in 10 Republican state legislature nominees in five key battleground states deny the results of the 2020 election, according to an analysis by a group tracking the races.
Of those 450 Republican nominees — including incumbents running for re-election and nonincumbents — in Nevada, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan and Minnesota, 58% of them have echoed Donald Trump's lies that the 2020 election was stolen from him.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/us-e … andidates/What I have seen, and I will admit I have not concentrated on many candidates. but those in my state. I have followed Lake, and she does feel there was fraud in the last election but claims time to move on from all the: "bullshit" as she put it.
Most, don't answer the question when asked.
I guess in a week we will know how these candidates do. It certainly will be interesting to see how each state votes.
Just as the Democrat candidates regularly deny any past voting fraud (except, of course, that done by Republicans) in the face of absolutely certainty there was some. As there has never been any Democrat fraud there is no reason for voting security, either.
Both of which are widely accepted to be false, but still spouted by Democrats everywhere.Is "some" enough to support a different outcome for the 2020 election that was official? As I said, you can't have millions of people casting ballots without any irregularities, but whatever irregularies there were would to be proven substantial enough to change the election outcome and no one has really proven that yet.
So, Republicans beyond fomenting the lie, clings to it. I really don't care about anything that they may think that they cannot prove."Is "some" enough to support a different outcome for the 2020 election that was official?"
I don't know. You don't know. And neither does anyone else, for no one will do an actual check on how people voted (I doubt such a things is possible anyway).
But the point was that Democrats are sure enough that there is no, and can be no, fraud that they fight tooth and nail against any effort to provide security for elections even they and everyone else knows there is some fraud. Makes a person just why that is.The first step in exposing their falsehoods and propaganda state has been ripped away.
Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter has already begun to expose how diabolical the efforts and collusion were.
There are plenty of reasons to question.I could make that case for every Presidential election we have had since 1789. Are unproven suspicions ground tombring the nature process to a halt. If it were, we would never be able to elect anyone.
Here - an example:
Georgia (I think) had an uproar over not allowing people near the voting line, with the reasoning "They're only handing out water!".
Now I see Arizona (again, I think) having real trouble with rough looking characters photographing voters and generally hanging out around the area.
Question; what is wrong with those chastising Georgia for not allowing people to harass voters? Are their memories so short they can't recall their history lessons of the mob controlling how people voted by manning the booths? Can they not connect the Arizona problem with what they are crying Georgia does not allow?
Apparently not. That's the type of think gets my goat; there are obvious and good reasons not to allow people to hang out around voters...but Democrats demand it happen anyway.There has been a lot of clarification in regards to this access to water issue in Georgia. I understand that authorities have been making water available and that it is unlawful by those outside of a certain perimeter to make it available. Yet, Atlanta is not Mayberry, there is an expectation that people waiting in lines several hours to vote, which does not happen in Mayberry, should have access to certain accommodation. Making available that most basic of supplement is aid and not harassment.
When I cast my ballot this coming Tuesday, I am prepared to offer a knuckle sandwich with all the fixings to the first unauthorized person (poll watcher) that dares to question or challenge me regarding my rights in any way.
Not only "greater by magnitudes" Dr. Mark, Uncle Joe & company need only to point in the other direction and their media and their minions are fast at work attempting to send "we the people" (aka: those who vote) off on wild goose chases.
Uncle Joe & company have no need to hide their crime and corruption, their media and their minions are on the scene, reporting for duty, on clean-up detail, so they don't have to!The left should never try to take the moral high ground. They simply do not and never have had it.
“Police Make Second Arrest in Brutal Beating of Rubio Canvasser; Victim Maintains Attack Was Politically Motivated”
“When a republican volunteer is savagely beaten the traditional media treats the victim as the criminal and the criminal as a nice young man who likes fishing & just made a mistake,” Rubio tweeted, noting reporting from the Miami Herald.
“Local media spent 2 days treating the GOP canvasser who was attacked as a criminal & denying the attack was politically motivated Now a second arrest, a police report & surveillance video shows how biased & irresponsible the narrative they were pushing was”
https://news.yahoo.com/police-second-ar … 36509.html
Guess what happens when the left doesn’t like the hat you’re wearing?
“Man who assaulted MAGA hat wearer in CA sentenced to 4 years in prison”
https://www.foxla.com/news/man-who-assa … -in-prison
“Skyrocketing number of violent attacks on Trump supporters in MAGA hats”
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/att … maga-hats/
Could it have anything to do with this?
“Biden Calls Trump and MAGA Supporters Semi-Fascists”
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/biden … d/1084851/
I could go on and on, but I think those on the left need to start looking in the mirror and actually see what is there.You weren't paying attention from 2016 to 2020. You just don't agree with him. That's not divisive. That's a difference of opinion.
Unfortunately we have quite a bit of disinformation about the attack on Mr Pelosi being spread by the right.
Even Elon Musk Musk retweeted (and then deleted) a link to a discredited right-wing article theorizing, with no evidence, that the assault was actually a drunk dispute with a male sex worker. That baseless conspiracy was echoed by Republican House member Representative Clay Higgins of Louisiana in a barely veiled tweet about drugs and nudity, which he later deleted.
Ted Cruz proclaimed as truth a conspiracy-raising post saying: "No one will ever know what happened in the attack, but it was not right-wing violence.". Really????
Before the attack, Republican Congressman Tom Emmer had tweeted video of himself at a firing range, and he had tweeted — quote — "Let's fire Pelosi."
All of this needs to stop and other Republicans need to stand up and speak up more strongly about this kind of rhetoric. Unfortunately the only ones speaking out are the ones labeled RINOS
Sadly, we have a number of people in this country who are so susceptible to the conspiracy theories and disinformation being put out by the far right and they jump into action. They're being mobilized by lies.
And this recent attack just continues to highlight how our political discourse continues to circle the drain. We will see if there is any bottom. There doesn’t appear to be with Republican folks like Kari Lake and Mr. Youngkin of Virginia using the attack as a punchline in a joke and getting hearty laughs. What have we become?. Cruelty really does seem to be the point.I'll just use the shooting of Steve Scalise as an example. There was a very strong and United condemnation across party lines. There were no conspiracy theories set forth and he certainly wasn't made to be the butt of democrat jokes to get laughs. Politics and politicians are turning people into some pretty sick individuals.
I think it best to wait for more information in regard to the attack, and police cam video. I did see photos last night on Fox of the bus this man lives in, and he had a Rainbow flag as well as a BLM banner. I have also read some of his ramblings on Social media and listened to interviews with his neighbors. I don't feel the witchhunt that left media is doing is very professional.
For me, I will wait and see what turns up Witchhunnt is ugly, and I put myself above that sort of mentality. This man seems very much disturbed, and most likely he is one of the million that we live in our society.
I will admit I just gazed over your comment, and I must say, for someone that won't admit to actually having a political party, You certainly dwell on Republicans, and seem to not discuss Democrats in any respect. Your comments are very telling, in my view.If I'm going to be on any "side" it's going to be very situationally specific and I'm going to look for what is right and what is moral. I could care less about being belonging to a party. It's groupthink cultishness in my book. I can make up my own mind about things.
And actually I did look to the Democrats for their response to a wacko shooting a republican politician and like I said I couldn't find any conspiracy theory that was put forward and I certainly didn't see anyone making Mr Scalise the butt of jokes. Like I said cruelty is the point
I don't have a problem with calling a spade a spade any day of the week.
If the Democrats response to a Republican being shot was the same as we are currently seeing I would call it just as sickening and despicable."If I'm going to be on any "side" it's going to be very situationally specific and I'm going to look for what is right and what is moral. I could care less about being belonging to a party. It's groupthink cultishness in my book. I can make up my own mind about things."
I am sure you can, but ya better read some of your posts, they do indicate a true dislike for Republicans, and I note you don't touch comments that point out wrongdoing by Democrats. Hey, this is just my candid view.
Here is how we are different --- I immediately felt that the Pelosi attack was a violent attack on one of our political representatives, I felt sick as we learned this man was mentally ill. I in no way assigned him to be anything but mentally ill. I chose to wait for more information on his motive. We have thus far had conflicting reports. I by no means was pulled into the media crap to point fingers to stoke anger. You see, this is the difference in a person joining into groupthink. Read your comments on this subject. You clearly share a view with CNN and MSN. At this point, Fox is supplying all the information on this man's social media, interviews with his acquaintances, and footage of the bus he lived in, facts that should be important to all. They are not joining the witchhunt of blame as CNN is doing.
I have not seen anyone making light of the violence, or the attack, only the comments to stoke hysteria to assign blame.
I think we have not heard enough about this crime or this clearly a mentally ill man.I have a real dislike for bad behavior. Laughing and making jokes about the attempted murder of an individual shows a lack of character. Honestly it's just cruel. If you would like I can post the videos of the jokes and the crowds laughing. They're easy to find as well as the other comments made by members of the Republican. I pretty much spelled it out in my first post. We have members of Congress spreading conspiracy theory. I really wasn't even beginning to tackle the subject of why or how this man was radicalized. I think my main point was the reaction to this man's attack.
I guess I have not witnessed what you are sharing. I have witnessed many making sarcastic remarks about the "left media" and the stories they have presented. But, I have not heard anyone making jokes about the actual attack. I would agree that would be unacceptable to me personally. I did see a quote from Lake --
“Nancy Pelosi, well, she’s got protection when she’s in D.C. — apparently her house doesn’t have a lot of protection.”
This was sarcastic, but it did not touch on the attack.
I must also mention I have witnessed Biden stoking anger. You might want to consider these statements come from both sides. And we have had many Republican Representatives, Supreme Court Justices, and general citizens our supporting their candidates attacked and hurt actually far worse than Pelosi.
Violent crime is rapid, and much of the crime is being perpetrated by mentally ill individuals. We need to stop pointing fingers.
The reaction to the attack was to immediately point at far-right Americans. This is what I saw in the first hours after the attack, and up to today. This is my view.
Dems are targeting Republicans for the Pelosi attack.
This to me is worse than Lake mentioning security at the Pelosi house. It is truely stoking anger in our direction. Their rhetoric as a rule is based on "hate republicans" .
"We must draw the straight lines that connect violent political rhetoric and violent acts," said Swalwell. "The Pelosi assailant’s Facebook page looks identical to the Facebook pages of Trump, [Georgia Rep. Marjorie] Taylor Greene, and [Colorado Rep. Lauren] Boebert. All three of them have glorified violence and [David] Depape acted on it."
This is not true in any sense. It is an out-and-out lie.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-b … osi-target
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/2 … l-00064117Well, in terms in MTG she did accuse Nancy Pelosi of treason and said that it was punishable by death. The video of her saying it to a crowd is still circulating and I know that I have posted a link here. This is someone that will take a leadership role in our government the Republicans gain an advantage. This woman doesn't belong in government to begin with. There needs to be responsibility with your words and then accountability also. People listen to this nonsense. Some of them even act upon it.
And Ms. Boebert has recently said this..“We know that we are in the last of the last days,” Boebert later added. “This is a time to know that you were called to be part of these last days. You get to have a role in ushering in the second coming of Jesus.”
She is talking about the end times and that is all about violence.Back to MTG. We are all aware of that statement, and many of her antics.
"This is someone that will take a leadership role in our government the Republicans gain an advantage. "
Again it seems you have an alliance with Demacrates, yet you have denied it over and over again. .
"This woman doesn't belong in government to begin with. There needs to be responsibility with your words and then accountability also. People listen to this nonsense. Some of them even act upon it."
My word? I never said she belong in Government one way or another. Just that I have one vote, and it's in Michigan. Not sure what words I said that you find nonsense? You are not either reading my words or you are taking them out of context. I am careful not to provoke violence and explain my thoughts carefully. I really find your comment odd.
As far as I see it, the people of Georgia will vote, their voice will be heard, and I will respect their decision and whoever they send to Washington.
.I think each state will speak loudly, and we are seeing record numbers in turn-out and mail-in ballots. Let's leave it up to the people to select their representatives. I don't care for many Democratic Congress persons, but I respect they were sent to Washington by a majority. I am very satisfied with our voting system.
I am not sure why you are so very upset over something you can not control. I don't care for MTG or Boebery. But it is apparent they were sent to Washington by a majority.I didn't mean you personally when I said words have meaning. It applies to our politicians, when they say someone has committed treason and it is an offensive punishable by death those words carry a lot of meaning to people. MTG needs to be responsible and held accountable for her words.
As far as belonging to a party, again I could care less. People just want to separate others often to tribes so they know who they can relate to and who they're supposed to have animosity toward I don't feel any of that. And I certainly don't feel like all Republicans are all Democrats are absolutely homogeneous. So much difference within each party. At any rate, who cares what political party a person belongs to? It's not some badge of honor.
Upset over something I can't control?? That is a whole basis of our government it's supposed to be for We the people. We do have control. It's just that it's grown into a cultish endeavor where politicians treat us like idiots. As long as they've got you locked into your box of fear they can feed you anything. We look ridiculously stupid as a nation. And that's red blue and everything in between. It's absolutely disgusting that a whole crop of conspiracy theory has arisen and been promoted by Republican politicians around the attempted murder of the speaker's husband. The fact that they throw all of that out there and expect that people will grab onto it and believe it is just incredible and says volumes about what they believe people's intelligence level really is."I didn't mean you personally when I said words have meaning. It applies to our politicians, when they say someone has committed treason and it is an offensive punishable by death those words carry a lot of meaning to people." I agree
" MTG needs to be responsible and held accountable for her words".
I agree
"As far as belonging to a party, again I could care less. People just want to separate others often to tribes so they know who they can relate to and who they're supposed to have animosity toward I don't feel any of that."
I am sorry, but in my view, people are in tribes or moving toward tribes.
" And I certainly don't feel like all Republicans are all Democrats are absolutely homogeneous." I feel very much the same.
"So much difference within each party. At any rate, who cares what political party a person belongs to? It's not some badge of honor."
It has or seems to have become important to stand for one's ideologies, which does in a way put one in a box.
"Upset over something I can't control?? That is a whole basis of our government it's supposed to be for We the people. We do have control."
We can have a voice if we chose to run for Government office, state or federal, or use our personal vote. So we disagree .
" It's just that it's grown into a cultish endeavor where politicians treat us like idiots. As long as they've got you locked into your box of fear they can feed you anything. "
I will agree that this administration has become something I could call a cult, and I feel them to be a threat, and I personally feel Biden and his administration do talk down to "we the people". It well appears many do not feel what I feel in that regard.
"We look ridiculously stupid as a nation." Very much agree
" It's absolutely disgusting that a whole crop of conspiracy theory has arisen and been promoted by Republican politicians around the attempted murder of the speaker's husband." I do not see this situation as you do. In my view, I see many are being inquisitive and pointing out some media discrepancies, and are curious for more clarity. Today's media has many citizens not believing what they hear, and it causes many to raise questions.
The fact that they throw all of that out there and expect that people will grab onto it and believe it is just incredible and says volumes about what they believe people's intelligence level really is.
Well, not really funny. I think the red boa thing is reminding some that saw Hunter's personal sex romp wear he wore a Boa. I am not appreciative of this kind of attempt at humor in any respect. I don't find either funny.
I found the 'open carry' one funny. It doesn't stand inspection but my gut response was an 'Oh no they didint. . . ' laugh. I'm still chuckling that it gets under the skin of some. ;-)
GAHey, I guess the open carry was funny. Actually so was Hunter's Red Boa flick, he should have won a "Porn Oscar". It was not intended to be funny, but it was. I guess I was just not up for Don Jr.'s humor today. Yeah, this carp can wear one's sense of humor down. It seems you took a hiatus. LOL
But now you got me really thinking about the tweets. And I did get to watch good old Hunter in his Red Boa, and I am chuckling at this moment. I need a drink!I was pretty much the same. The boa went over my head, but the open carry I got and found funny. At least I think I got it, and found what I got funny.
I thought it was funny because of the San Fransico connection. I understand that after 'inspection' the intended relationship was to the victim. I didn't need to go that far, the first chuckle was good enough for me.
GA
Some interesting things about this story.
1. David Depape was an illegal alien from Canada. He is not an American citizen. Why would he care about American politics?
2. David Depape lived in a run-down bus in Berkely. It has a gay pride flag on the front of it and a BLM flag on the back of it.
3. His neighbors and former girlfriend all believe he was mentally ill and a drug addict.
4. In the call to the police, Paul Pelosi refers to David Depape as a "friend."
5. The police body cam video of the incident was never released to the media. In all other high-profile cases, this has been done immediately.
6. A police report stated a person let them inside. This means there must have been a mystery 3rd party in the house. Why hasn't this person been identified?
The identity of this person is so upsetting even Politico denied its own story about a third person being in Pelosi's house. The third person was stated in a press conference.
7. Pelosi's house usually has security whether she's there or not, why was there no security at this time?
There is much more to this story than is being released to the public.
Any allegations of a connection between the actions of David Depape and the right or Republicans is simply and ignorant speculative fabrication of the facts.Thank you... It's shaping up to be a first-class witchhunt. The left eat up this kind of stuff, and they can over look all the true facts.
It doesn't really matter to me where he was born but the fact is that he was obviously radicalized by 4chan and other far right rabbit holes.
"he was obviously radicalized by 4chan and other far right rabbit holes."
Don't go there...it makes you look less than intelligent. There is no proof of this, there are only assumptions.
I don't think that Bernie Sanders is responsible for one of his supporters shooting congressman Steve Scalise.
I also don't believe that the left is responsible for the crazy person who went to Supreme Court Justice Brent Kavanaugh's home and threatened to kill him.
I could go on, but I hope you get the point.Thank you... However, some can totally ignore what makes them uncomfortable, or spin facts to keep alive a narrative.
I think both of you have mentioned corporate media such a CNN or whoever else but I go straight to the source which in this case was 4chan. Have either of you? Have you seen what this man has written?
Just an aside, I don't think I've ever quoted or used CNN as a sourceYes, I have seen (as I mentioned) what he has resented on social media, and as mentioned interviews with people that were his neighbor. And actually said they took him to be far left...Which I did not bring up not wanting to be judgemental in regard. is he a far-left nut or just a nut?
Did you read my comment? it seems my context was lost. You come at me acting as if I am ill-informed.
to repeat --- " At this point, Fox is supplying all the information on this man's social media, interviews with his acquaintances, and footage of the bus he lived in, facts that should be important to all. They are not joining the witchhunt of blame as CNN is doing."
This is my take on the situation. And it would be very hard to believe you get your news from anywhere but CNN and MSN, you have their talking point down pat.
Sharlee,
We are expected to believe that a man at 2 am in his underwear broke into the home of the speaker of the house. There is no mention of any alarms going off. Is it safe to assume a home that is this expensive has a security system? So, the underwear wearing man breaks into the extremely expensive home with no alarm going off that would alert police. He then goes up to the bedroom of Paul Pelosi. Somehow, Paul Pelosi in his underwear, and this man in his underwear, make it to the kitchen. Paul Pelosi then goes to the bathroom where he calls police and tells them someone is in his home named David and he is a friend. The police make a "wellness check" rather than respond to a call for some reason. At first the police say they were let in by a 3rd person. Then, quickly, say there was no third person. How then did they get in? The police never said the door was open. Paul Pelosi is then struggling with the attacker when the police arrive and was then hit with the hammer. The bad guy is taken into custody. The police have not released the video footage of their body camara. Why?
There are a lot of unanswered questions to this case.
People assume this guy was a right-wing extremist motivated by political rhetoric.
I assume there is something behind this attack because the facts just don't add up. The story doesn't make sense compared to what the left is claiming.I am with you, I have watched the story change several times. I think it is all very odd. I hope we get to see the police footage at this point. And I would assume this man that tracked Pelosi will have a trial, and we will hear all details from the police, and anyone else involved. Nothing adds up. As always we will need to wait and see more leak out, and I am sure lots will.
Federal charging document
The man accused of attacking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer told police he wanted to hold the Democratic leader hostage and “break her kneecaps” to show other members of Congress there were “consequences to actions,” authorities said Monday.
DePape told investigators he wanted to talk to Speaker Pelosi and viewed her as the “leader of the pack of lies told by the Democratic Party,” according to the eight-page complaint.
“If she were to tell DePape the ‘truth,’ he would let her go and if she ’lied,’ he was going to break her kneecaps,” the complaint alleges.
“By breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other members of Congress there were consequences to actions,” the complaint says DePape told investigators.
DePape also did not leave after Pelosi called 911, because he felt that “much like the American founding fathers with the British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender,” according to DePape’s statement to San Francisco police.As I shared here on HP, I have followed the story. I am aware of this document.
Not sure what you're getting at. but I most likely have been exposed to all the info you have. I don't condone violence, and it is clear they got the man that attacked Pelosi. I am very sorry that Pelosi was attacked.
Again, I have watched the story change several times on media reports. I think it is all very odd. I hope we get to see the police footage at this point. And I would assume this man that tracked Pelosi will have a trial, and we will hear all details from the police, and anyone else involved. Nothing adds up. As always we will need to wait and see more leak out, and I am sure lots will
I do think it best to wait until this man goes to trial for me to discuss all the facts. I don't think we have all the facts as of yet, either way. The document certainly does offer substantial facts, and there will be no trouble putting this man in prison for this crime unless he is found mentally ill.
When you look at pictures of the Pelosi house, there are many security camaras around the house. Where is the footage? Why isn't his mentioned? Sooo, many questions.
Why do we have to make a conspiracy out of everything, just absolutely everything??? When people don't like the optics of a situation or they feel it makes their tribe look bad somehow then it's turned into some sort of conspiracy. It's really getting crazy. It was the middle of the night, the man was sleeping.
I hope you realize I have a right to ask questions.
The facts presented don't equal the narrative that is being presented.
There are those of us who are dedicated to knowing the truth. Wanting to know the truth doesn't mean alleging a conspiracy. It means you want to know the truth.
It is the democrats and the left that seem afraid to discover the truth of this situation for some reason.I believe and trust in the investigators who were on the scene and who are handling the matter. I have no reason not to
I must bring up the last 5 years, all the lefty's conspiracies in regard to Trump, and just about anyone that he is acquainted with, including his children. My gosh, one could even call the Jan 6th has been turned into a huge conspiracy, for some...
I also have questions, and I do think we the people need transparency. It has now become political, which is unfortunate. So, yeah I want full transparency.
How in the world can you say he was radicalized? And if so, did his mental illness make him susceptible to all rhetoric? Is this man not a true example of the lack of recognition that we don't have help for our mentally ill?
He was most likely a man that picked up on any and all rhetoric. And the redirect stoked his anger, and he acted upon his anger.
It is the media, in my view that daily stokes this kind of anger, they feed up hate 24/7. Especially CNN and MSN. Their type of media is so dangerous I do feel, just due to the problems both are having keeping viewers that more Americans have turned away from these networks. In my view, this is a positive.Do we need people in Congress who spread conspiracy theory? Do we need people in government who make jokes about someone being attacked?
Like I said if I go back to when Mr scalise was shot I certainly didn't see any of this happening from the Democrats.
I note no not many are addressing my OP. It seems it has been buried and ignored... Perhaps my context was not clear enough.
I am very empathetic in regard to the Pelosi attack, and this kind of violence is unacceptable. However, the media has taken this attack down another path, which leads to blaming hateful rhetoric for Paul Pelosi's attack.
So. are Biden's words exempt? Are we to look the other way when a president stokes anger toward a segment of Americans?
What does it say about us, when we can ignore Biden's words?I think President Biden was calling out what is clear to most of us. Political discourse in our country has turned into hate and full of wild conspiracy theory. That has led to violence and will most likely continue to do so. We need to call out the facts that when we have politicians speaking in such an incendiary manner there will be consequences in real life.
You the President Biden who called half of the voters of the United States Fascists? He is such a hypocrite.
Nobody with any sense of reality can take that senile old fool serious on any level for anything.
He is a national embarrassment.When I listened to Biden's words I found they sought to vaguely send out a dog whistle, I feel he does this frequently. There was no question about who or what party Biden was referring to.
"This is despicable. There’s no place in America. There’s too much violence, political violence, too much hatred, too much vitriol,” Biden said at the start of remarks to Pennsylvania Democrats.
“And what makes us think that ONE PARTY can talk about stolen elections, COVID being a hoax, that it’s all a bunch of lies, and it not affect people who may not be so well balanced,” Biden continued.
As the president, he was hired to represent all people. he is very much correct there are Americans that do feel the election was fraudulent, and there are citizens that felt COVID was not represented with the full truth.
This is America, we have the right to disagree.
It appears I'm not the only one with questions about the security at the Pelosi household. Their former neighbors are also confused. I wonder if they are spreading a conspiracy theory.
"Nancy Pelosi's former neighbor questions why home invasion triggered no warning
Nancy Pelosi's former neighbor is questioning why a violent home invasion triggered no alarms – as security experts condemn the apparent ease with which David DePape broke in, and predict federal protections will be extended to her family.
Residents of tony Broadway Street in San Francisco are used to fleets of black SUVs surrounding the Speaker's red brick mansion 24/7, a heavy police response to any disturbances, and even their computers getting scrambled by alleged security measures to protect the nation's Number Three.
So when Marjorie Campbell read that her old neighbor had to call 911 himself while negotiating with a hammer-wielding madman, she was deeply perplexed.
'There were black cars outside that house, particularly up on Normandie Terrace, all of the time,' the 66-year-old, who lived opposite the Pelosis for a decade, told DailyMail.com.
'I don't distinguish between her being there and not being there. There were always multiple cars.'
Police statements and the criminal complaint against David DePape, 42, released Monday suggest that he broke in by smashing a back patio door. He confronted Paul Pelosi Sr., who phoned police and tried to talk down the crazed man. When cops burst in, DePape slugged Pelosi Sr. with a hammer.
'Everybody in the neighborhood had alarms on our windows,' the former neighbor said. 'So if glass smashed, an alarm went off. We all had alarms that had chimed if the door opened or closed.'"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/na … 341dfb772bHey. one thing that really stands out --- the guy that attacked Pelosi was severely mentally ill. And I can safely say San Fran does not give a shit about their mentally ill. They let them do just about anything on their streets, and even provide them their sidewalks to us as bathrooms and living spaces...
It would seem this far-left universe that is attached to the US needs to clean up the city, and stop promoting drug use, and crime. I would think many get hit with many objects in San Fran on a daily bases. Time for this city to clean up its problems, and start with its mentally ill. Looks like Democratic elites might want to realize a mentally ill person can show up in at their doors.
Hey just saying.MAGA, what the hell is wrong with you? Seriously.
An 82-year-old man sustains a skull fracture from a predawn home invasion, and you think it’s funny? Or that it’s fodder for another dumb@ss conspiracy theory?
What did you do with your humanity? Where did you mislay your souls? Have you no sense of decency at long last? One is tempted to say that in your response to the attack on Paul Pelosi, many of you on the political right have hit rock bottom. But your lot have a knack for excavating depths that would make the Mole Man think twice, so let’s just content ourselves with saying that you’ve struck a new low.
According to San Francisco Police, Pelosi was awakened before 2:30 in the morning by an intruder calling “Where’s Nancy?” Paul Pelosi managed to call 911 and police arrived to find him and another man struggling over a hammer, which the intruder snatched away and used to bash the speaker’s husband in the head.
One would think this would be a moment for you to set politics aside, to offer words of consolation, comfort and thanks that Pelosi is expected to make a full recovery. But one would be wrong. While some of you, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, former Vice President Mike Pence among them, offered well wishes, others were unable to clear even that low moral bar.
Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin could not resist telling an audience that they would send Pelosi back to California to join her husband. How Virginia voters are supposed to send a California representative anywhere, he did not say. In Arizona, gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake mocked that Pelosi’s home doesn’t have enough protection. And a clutch of conservative luminaries, Donald Trump Jr., Dinesh D’Souza and Elon Musk among them, promoted a bizarre viral theory that the attack was actually a fight between gay lovers.
So yeah, what is wrong with you? When did you run over your moral compass with a truck?
The question is not about politics. It’s about your demonization of political opponents. It’s about your lies of election skulduggery. It’s about your rejection of objective reality. It’s about your embrace of violent rhetoric and imagery, such that every other campaign commercial now co-stars a gun.
And it’s about how all that culminates in one of your followers invading Pelosi’s home. Meantime, others threaten violence against Democratic lawmakers like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Eric Swalwell and perceived GOP turncoats Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, one sent out mail bombs in 2018, and thousands stormed the Capitol in 2021.
Granted, the right has no monopoly on crazies. The 2017 shooting of Rep. Steve Scalise would refute any such claim. But let us not pretend the overwhelming bulk of the danger does not stem from conservatives. There is a reason the Department of Homeland Security lists the far right as the nation’s greatest domestic terror threat.
Yet you behave as if all this were some kind of game. You are sobered by nothing. You are dangerous brats who respect nothing, least of all the country you claim to love.
Was your home training that deficient? Did no one ever sit down with you and offer basic lessons in how to be human? Seriously, what’s your deal? When an unoffending 82-year-old man has his skull broken by anyone, much less by one of your true believers, the proper response is empathy, period.
Shame on you and heaven help us all..that that even needs to be said.
Commence the twisting yourself into pretzels to make this all okay. As I like to say, if brains were lard then y'all wouldn't have enough to grease a skillet.
https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn … 56592.htmlI guess you missed all the jokes made by the democrats when Steve Scalise was shot by a Bernie Sanders supporter.
Ocasio-Cortez Fans Joke About Assassinating Steve Scalise
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/t … ise-n62905
Nebraska Democratic Official Caught On Tape Wishing Steve Scalise Dead
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nebraska … 2c731bd189
As the old saying goes, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.One of these people was a volunteer and the other a "fan" of AOC. I'm talking about senators, governors and so forth.
Also in terms of the ridiculous conspiracy theories that are being spread:. the FBI complaint against Mr DePape quotes a witness as saying he was dressed "in all black" carrying a large black bag on his back.
Another claim seized on to support this narrative is that the two men knew each other before the attack and were friends.
Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene repeated the claim in a tweet yesterday. She claimed that Mr Pelosi was attacked by his friend. According to the FBI complaint, Paul Pelosi did not know Mr DePape.
Another rumour supporting the idea that the two men knew each other claimed that the shattered glass door of the house was broken from the inside, suggesting Mr Pelosi or a third person had let Mr DePape in.
The FBI complaint quotes Mr DePape as saying that he "broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer".
There is no evidence in any of the police accounts that a third person was either in the house or involved in the attack.
He also told police he was on a "suicide mission" and had planned to target more politicians, according to court documents prosecutors filed on Tuesday.
This nonsense and the penchant to contrive our own reality needs to stop.
Here's today's conspiracy or maybe it's ture? Body double?
#Trumpisdead is trending on TwitterThis is only one of many examples.
"Mandela Barnes Won’t Apologize for Mocking GOP Congressman Who Was Shot and Almost Killed"
In 2017, a progressive activist tried to assassinate Republican members of Congress when he opened fire at a baseball field in Alexandria, Va. Steve Scalise, the House GOP whip, was shot and nearly died. Mandela Barnes, the Democrats’ 2022 U.S. Senate candidate in Wisconsin, tweeted at the time that Scalise was “taking one for the team” by continuing to support the Second Amendment after the shooting. "
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/m … st-killed/
Again, democrats should not take the high road in this situation.
It is useless to point out that some of us do have questions. If you don't share their view, you get a long, pedestal rant. Note how some can pass over threads that share negative facts about this administration and Biden. They are blind to anything they don't want to hear. We have real problems in America, and they chose to completely ignore them, and make vague non-sensical excuses, most of the time what they picked up on CNN or MSN.
My gosh, there is a long list of citizens that were hurt and killed at the left's "Summer of Love", not to mention Rand Pauls's crazy leftest neighbor that beat him so badly he has to have a section of his lung removed. They can look past the really disgusting riots, beating, and burning of businesses.
Just ignore... it's too frustrating having any form of meaningful discussion with those that are not able to decipher common sense from rhetoric.Sharlee, that attack on Rand Paul was not politically motivated, so who is zooming who here?
Your side is quite adept at the art of spin, as a matter of fact, the left are amateurs in comparison...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kent … SKCN1PP0CAWell, you are correct. I did forget what we learned about Pauls's attack. Should have sighted Steve Scalise as a better example. I note you made no mention of the Summer of Love.
I just was a bit shocked by your thoughts on the Pelosi attack.
I respect your thoughts, but can't say as of yet that I share your thoughts on this one.I don't want to be dismissive, but.
450 politically motivated killings in the last decade, 75 percent rightwing oriented, 20 percent Islamic based and 4 percent leftwing. We can quibble over a detail or two but the overwhelming significance of this information can't really be spun away..... I am sure that The Dept. Of Homeland Security will verify these or very similar stats for me.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/brie … tings.html
When It comes to this stuff, magnitude matters.Slow down, did I share an opinion on what precipitated this man to attack Mr.Pelosi? Did I bring up his motive? I have not, I have been careful not to. I am just saying would it not be wise to just take in the facts that are being presented?
And I shed these facts, and some did not like that.
" And if one wants to just look at surface facts, such as his rants, one needs to look at all surface facts. The fact he lived in a bus with the Gay pride flag, and BLM banner, and one neighbor felt he was a leftist due to what she witnessed. "
Just saying, hey these are also facts... As are the stats you offered.
I gave a few things to think about. Trying to say, hey we just don't know this guy's motive or why he had it in for Nancy P.
It would appear you have made up your mind. That's cool with me. I am holding out a bit.
For someone supposedly so terribly unhinged, this DePape fellow parrots the rightwing playbook to a T.
Mental illness is always an excuse offered by the Right for assaults of this nature by their kind, is there some natural correlation?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/30/us/s … sband.htmlCred, did he or did he just suffer from mental illness? There certainly have been enough reports to indicate this man has a long history of mental illness. And if one wants to just look at surface facts, such as his rants, one needs to look at all surface facts. The fact he lived in a bus with the Gay pride flag, and BLM banner, and one neighbor felt he was a leftist due to what she witnessed. Which is her view from literally what
she saw. However, is she doing what it seems many are doing --- just overlooking that this man is mentally ill?
In my view, this attack was done by a man that is clearly mentally ill, and did the media influence him, maybe? But he also thought he talked to fairies, and was Jesus for some time. "Paul Pelosi’s alleged attacker David DePape had been ‘mentally ill for a long time,’ ex claims"
https://nypost.com/2022/10/30/paul-pelo … s-ex-says/
"The Futile Race to Label Paul Pelosi’s Attack" Common sense article.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu … s-attacker
I will predict he will be declared not fit to stand trial due to mental illness. Hold me to it.
I was sort of surprised to see this view from you. Thought you might wait until some of the dust would settle on this one.Mentally ill, probably yes but he sure did take a liking to your party's talking points. I'd say that his social media looked a whole lot like the leaders of your party. He was really echoing what you can see on the social media of the leaders of the maga faction stars such as Lauren bobert and Marjorie Taylor green along with others. All the lies, all the conspiracy all the misinformation all the time.
Did he like " my party"? As did the Democrat that shot and almost killed Steve Scalise.
It seems he liked whatever he grasped onto at a given time. Sort of the mindset of those that cling to group-type thinking.
I will say for the sake of sounding rude --- MTG and Bobert really seem to disturb you, they seem to have become an obsession... Got your drift, no need to repeat your displeasure to me in regard to the two. You are becoming so repetitive.
I have shared my opinion I think on both. Not sure we need to go on and on about these two.I think the issue is that elected officials should not be spreading lies, misinformation and conspiracy theory. They have a platform and a megaphone and in no way should they be allowed to use their office to spread this nonsense. BLM are not elected by anyone. And yes, the two that I have mentioned have spread all sorts of conspiracy theory about Mr Pelosi and many others. It's just really not helpful is it? Coming out and saying that he was hit by a hammer by his friend? No fact to back anything up but it was tweeted out to millions of people. I'd call that awfully irresponsible. Also, she is definitely one of the leaders of your party.
I don't recall Democrats making Steve scalise the butt of jokes and I don't remember conspiracy theory being spread around the circumstance of his shooting. I do remember Nancy Pelosi's speech and it was certainly free from any of that. I don't see many from your party who have offered anything in the way of real condolences except for the actual Republicans.
We can't allow elected politicians to lie like this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepMTG/statu … 0961619968Problem is that one politicians outright, bald faced lie is another's indisputable, uncontestable truth, given from the heavens. Personally, I think the only way to keep a politician from lying is to sew their mouth shut, and even then they might learn sign language or post on Twitter.
"I think the issue is that elected officials should not be spreading lies, misinformation and conspiracy theory. They have a platform and a megaphone and in no way should they be allowed to use their office to spread this nonsense."
So, what will you be doing about that? Thos is the point I had hope to make.
" BLM are not elected by anyone"
I shared the fact that this man had a BLM banner, so, I guess I can assume he was a left winger. NOT I don't think you understood my comment. Just pointing out that its nut job should not be labeled a right-wing nut. Get it? The media has already labeled him. I say wait a minute, he had a BLM banner.
Pretty much done with this subject, all have become repetitive. I don't tend to dwell on the same things being repeated.
MTG and Bobert really seem to disturb you, they seem to have become an obsession... Got your drift, no need to repeat your displeasure to me in regard to the two. You are becoming so repetitive.
Now, THAT is funny. LOLThose two and many others in the maga caucus our calls for serious alarm. It's beyond disturbing, actually it bewilders me that there isn't more outrage for these characters
Yes, I have needed in many cases to be repetitive, some just seem to need context gone over time and time again.
I get a bit tired of seeing the same sentiments being repeated over and over. By the way, if you followed the conversation you might understand my comment.
Can't elaborate I would get banned, and just don't fall into silly.I don't want to join the crew that frequently gets banned. I mean I am admittedly a Republican, and I try to stay on the high ground as much as possible and will continue to do.
Another one for your stupid list from Biden. Just heard him declare on TV news how wonderful it is to have high paying jobs and no one to fill them with.
Not only does it hurt business, it also drives the inflation we're suffering through. The man really needs to take economics 101 again."High-paying jobs and no one to fill them with". Wow-what a cheerleader. Unbelievable.
He needs to just forget about economics and get a Mr. Ice Cream maker.
What really surprises me, is that he is being let out of the White House and stuck in front of a podium. One literally doesn't know what he will say or do. I mean, he is truly doing those that are running in the Democratic party the shaft. He just gave a speech tonight and dwelled on all the rhetoric about Jan 6th, and the Pelosi attack, and tossed in all but the kitchen sink.Biden is beyond s---------d. I haven't seen such an incompetent in my life. Biden's elevator only goes to the lower floors so to speak. The Democratic Party is beyond ruined. Carter started the ruin of the Democratic Party & Obama further ruined the party. Now Biden is going to really sink the party. Democratic candidates are now more clueless than ever. Anyone who votes Democrat are living in Fantasyland or Delusionalland. Or just an automaton. Sharlee, there are those around. For the past 4-8 years, I have voted partially Republican because Republicans seem to be better material than the Demoncrats.
I agree with all you have shared. The Democratic party is off the rails, it does not resemble the party it once did. I think the Republicans are the way to go at this point. I don't see any one person I could consider in the Dem party in regard to voting, for president in 2024.
I am keeping faith that change will come, I think the right Congress could right the ship. And if they don't, we can start all over again.I'm an outsider. Voting in America elections is not my right, previlege, or priority. But whosever in the Democrate or Republican party, even an Independent, who can get the job done, let it be. God save America!
Unfortunately, it appears more and more likely that Trump will be running in 2024, and if he does he will capture the Republican nomination.
And if that comes to pass, we're going to see millions that will vote Democrat as the best of two poor choices.
Even if Trump did manage to capture the White House again (he won't) it would be over a totally broken Congress with neither side willing to help him.I don't think so. Not if its Biden vs Trump.
As bad as Trump is. Biden has lost the element of being the candidate of "Change" and of "Hope".
Biden is more of a lunatic than Trump ever was and people see this daily now, people see the inflation, the gas prices, they see progressive topics taking center stage (transgenders, child sex change) while true crisis are ignored.I don't see hardly anyone voting Biden as a viable possibility for President.
But I DO think they would vote for even Biden, as bad as he has been, as an alternative to Trump. There are millions and millions of Trump haters in this country; people to whom Trump is truly an alternative form of Satan himself. It won't matter if it costs the country, they will not put Trump in the White House again. "Better red than dead" has become "Better dead than Trump" to an awful lot of people.I think there may have been many Trump haters.
I think the economy and Biden's support of extreme positions make Trump look far better today than on election day 2020... While Biden looks far worse.
I think you would be surprised just how many people would swallow their dislike of Trump for a return to the 2019 economy and efforts on the border, against woke progressive efforts, etc.'real' Donald Trump is now a curse in the public view, but not in the minds of the millions. Seriously, if he decide to flow with the presidential ticket in 2024, all the best for him. And he'll beat old joe biden in the polls I bet. Critically, Pelosi, should be better retired, resigned, or dead prior to the Presidential Election...but I'm not wishing her or any person dead. That doesn't mean Trump couldn't win the election. He must because mother nature has reverse the curse in his favour. Pelosi, still in the Senate isn't longer an hindrance for Trump. She has failed twist in impeaching him, and getting Mike Pence to invoked amendment against him, and will fail again. The Satan mask behind Trump is just a concept. God, no less than a man will back Trump, come high or low water. I don't see my crystal ball failing me.
I think we will be able to see what the majority are feeling about the Democrats this Tues. And if Republicans sweep, and get to work on the promises they are making (even if stymied by the President's veto ) the general public will push in a Republican due to feeling change will come with the right President holding the pen.
I think both sides of Congress will realize American citizens are watching, and their jobs are truely on the line. If they don't finally realize Americans want change and are over all the BS, we will see many that have enjoyed their jobs will be booted next time around.
I am hopeful that we will see more crossing the aisle and working together.
In my view, Trump has Americans more attuned to keeping tabs on what is going on in Washington.
I have hopes Trump will not run, as I have shared many times, I feel he should not for the sake of the Republican party. I am on board with Trump's America first policies, but I want him to pass the baton to someone new that shares those policies. I feel if Trump were to run it will bring so many more problems than it would be worth.
To be truthful, I am hoping Desantis will win the primary. However, I will be voting Republican one way or the other. I want Democrats period.
Not so sure he pulled in Desantis as VP. I never say never. We can hope he will step aside for the good of the country.
I can't agree at this point millions would vote Democrat, the country is hurting too much, and people are feeling (in my opinion) the brunt of this administration (as they did in Obama's second term) most left ideologies, and many mistakes that have many very unhappy where they feel the country is headed.Is Governor DeSantis an election denier? That is the litmus test. I do not think that Mr. Trump would share a ticket with someone who doesn't share his love for conspiracy theory. Kari Lake would be his obvious choice. A divisive, conspiracy theorist who is an election denier and I believe a former Fox News broadcaster she is "Trump on heels." They are a match made in heaven. She is following his playbook word by word and that will not go unnoticed. In fact, Mr. Trump was recorded admonishing candidate Blake Masters because he needed to be more like Miss Lake. He meant pushing the stolen election narrative .
Aside from his meaningless culture wars, Mr DeSantis has a little more on the ball than the other two. I don't think Mr Trump is looking for ideas, he's looking for fealty and that's about it.I think you're right - Trump will not accept a VP that doesn't share the fantasy of a fraudulent election.
But if DeSantis doesn't agree there, what about taking the primary himself? I don't see DeSantis losing MAGA voters to a Democrat at all, and he wouldn't lose the votes that putting Trump on the ticket will.
I also agree that Trump wants fealty and little else. HE, and no one else, is running the show in his mind, and he doesn't need or want any help.I have never heard him deny the 2020 election. I did read an article that he felt Florida had a good voting system, and he created "Florida Office of Election Crimes and Security", and that they only found 20 crimes committed in the 2020 election. And that these persons were charged.
It is a third-degree felony punishable by up to a $5,000 fine and up to 5 years in prison in Florida,
I can share that my sister has lived in Florida for 35 years, she is a very devout Democrat and shared that she would be sick to lose Desantis as Governor, and would be voting for him if he runs a president. Her very first time crossing the line and voting Republican. He is well-loved in Florida. And she feels he did a wonderful job during COVID and has been one of the best Governors to run the state.
If I good wave a magic wand and pick the person to run in 2024, it would be Desantis. I do feel Trump was and could be a man I trust in the White House. I don't want to see all the vitriol that would go on for four more years. However, I will be voting Republican one way or the other. I want
to see America's first policies. I have admired Desantis's straightforward way of communicating, and I feel he has an abundance of common sense when solving problems. I also am on board with seeing a younger man as President.
I feel Trump should do the right thing, and not run, and support Desantis. Desantis is will carry on with the America first movement. I hope Trump will just pass on the gauntlet gracefully for the good of the country.DeSantis would make a good President.
But I don't think his campaign would survive Trump and the Democrats.
DeSantis is better than Trump and the Democrats.
He can articulate his points, he does not need to sling insults, he does not have an over-inflated ego, he has not been corrupted by decades of being in DC and he is not a multi-billionaire, his connection to common people and every day problems is real.Well he's already received a nickname from Mr Trump, "Ron de sanctimonious", so he's probably sunk at this point? The nickname seems to be the kiss of death.
I am pulling for Desantis, I have been watching him through my sisters' eyes. She has lived in Florida for many years and is a very liberal woman. Dyed in the wool type. She absolutely respects this man and claims she would vote for him if he makes the ticket.
I feel as you do he is articulate. I also feel he is transparent, uses comment sense, and seems to have a clear head for solving problems. These are all the character attributes I have come to look for when choosing a president. I will admit, I would be so pleased to see a young man in the White House.
I was hoping Trump would stand aside for the good of the Country. He must know that the powers that be will not stop going after him. He needs to step aside, and bring his base over to support Desantis. Desantis will bring America first policies to Washington. Time for Trump to stop the fight, and let Desantis take over.
I watched Trump's 2 hour Saturday rally, he all but said he was going to run. When he closed his speech and was doing his "Trump dance". they were playing "Hold On I'm Coming".
It certainly would be an epic primary fight if Trump versus Desantis...I may change my party affiliation just to be able to vote in the primaries for the 2024 election. As is, I cannot vote for either one of those in the primaries.
When I look think about the past two years under the Democratic party I will have no problem voting for any Republican. Voting for a change of party at this point is the only way I see a chance to stop what I see as a very left agenda, with more Government overreach. I think this administration is ruining America, and quickly. So, not much more for me to even consider, other than voting them out. I am not willing to gamble on the Democratic party after seeing what a mess they have made in the past two years.
I was very pleased with Trump's problem-solving, and I feel Desantis has proved himself as a problem-solver in Florida. I want a problem solver, so much to fix.While there are two more years to go, if I were to vote for a President tomorrow it would be a Republican one. Trump if necessary, a different person if someone else won the Republican nomination.
Personally, I do not see Trump winning the 2024 election. If he wins the Republican nomination there will be enough Republicans fleeing him to tip the scales to Democratic. Plus no Democrat will vote for him - the hate is too strong regardless of what the economy or anything else is doing.I am sharing your feelings at this time, I have doubts that Trump could win in 2024. I think Desantis would win, especially if Trump supported him.
However, I never say never when it comes to Trump. It is hard to tell how big his base is, and once again Americans are craving change. I think Biden has scared many with his "confused bull in a china shop".
But, a lot will depend on the upcoming year.Yes, a lot could change. Let conservatives take over Congress, and rein in many of Biden's excesses and idiocies and we could well see a Democrat for another 4 years. A scary though for the long run even though comforting right now.
I would think if a new Republican Congress would start addressing some of the problems we currently have, perhaps we could win over more independents, more women, and a few more minorities, I think it would depend on what the new congress decides to tackle. If they are what we know as the status quo, well I think that could mean some returning to the Democratic party.
I actually feel more than ever America wants change. Democrats do not offer change, they have no real agenda, nothing but pushing fear, and trying to control through fear.
Fantasyland? How's this for you?
GOP Congressman Dan Crenshaw says election deniers know they’re lying
The representative from Houston said fellow Republicans admitted behind closed doors that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen, and he warned that such messaging could dangerously mislead voters.
Members of Congress who contested the 2020 election results admitted behind closed doors that they know their cause is false, U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Houston, said on his podcast published Wednesday
“It was always a lie. The whole thing was always a lie. And it was a lie meant to rile people up,” Crenshaw said, deriding some of his peers as “political personalities” rather than “politicians.”
Do they think y'all are stupid or what??
Political personalities? I wholeheartedly agree with his depiction.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/11/04 … n-deniers/
Yes, he is mentally ill, but why does that illness always take the form of attacking a symbols and ideals of the political left? We can say that the men that slaughters dozens of innocents in Buffalo and ElPaso were mentally ill as well.
And I know that it happens on both sides, but for one side it is much more common.
“And what makes us think that one party can talk about stolen elections, COVID being a hoax, that it’s all a bunch of lies, and it not affect people who may not be so well balanced,” Biden continued.
“What makes us think that it’s not going to corrode the political climate? Enough is enough is enough. Every person of good conscience needs to clearly and unambiguously stand up against violence in our politics, no matter what your politics are.”
Circling back to your original post, I don't see anything divisive about this statement. Isn't he correct that some of these crazy statements continually made by the maga caucus get into the minds of certain people? If they believe these conspiracy theories then many of them also feel they need to take action. I would even guess that some feel they are being patriotic. The fact of the matter is we can't have a party that continues to be so disconnected from reality. Many of the maga midterm candidates have already refused to commit to accepting the results of their elections if not in their favor. This is delusional stuff"And what makes us think that one party can talk about stolen elections, COVID being a hoax, that it’s all a bunch of lies, and it not affect people who may not be so well balanced,” Biden continued."
He pointed out a segment of Americans very clearly, clearly saying what they believe are "lies" and that those lies in essence could affect the not so well balanced".
He completely disrespected many Americans' views, their thoughts. Because many do believe there was fraud in the 2020 election, and many did share a different opinion of all that was COVID.
The problem seems to be some Americans are not willing to realize many Americans
have the right to question, and voice opposite opinions than their own.
In my view, We do not need a President to point a finger at a group of Americans that do not agree with hi, period.“This is despicable. There’s no place in America. There’s too much violence, political violence, too much hatred, too much vitriol,” Biden said at the start of remarks to Pennsylvania Democrats.
This part? This doesn't change anything in my eyes. It was despicable and is despicable. I'm sure we will certainly see more people acting on statements from politicians. Statements that shouldn't be made in the first place but it's just an all-out free for all in this country to make up your own reality. We certainly need to have much higher standards for our politicians in this country.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden- … 022-11-05/
"Twitter laid off half its workforce on Friday but said cuts were smaller in the team responsible for preventing the spread of misinformation, as advertisers pulled spending amid concerns about content moderation.
Biden said at a fundraiser: "And now what are we all worried about: Elon Musk goes out and buys an outfit that sends - that spews lies all across the world... There’s no editors anymore in America. There’s no editors. How do we expect kids to be able to understand what is at stake?" Joe Biden
Not sure Biden checks his Twitter? His comments are now being fact-checked and frequently flagged with facts. He continues to just say anything that comes into his head. Hard to keep up with all his inappropriate statements.REVEALED: Whistleblower Says Joe Biden Was DIRECTLY INVOLVED With Son Hunter's 2012 Overseas Business Deal
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … af8ec0deb1It truely baffles me to see the amount of first-hand evidence on the Biden crime family being virtually ignored. Can you even imagine if this new whistleblower was giving this information about Trump and his Son?
I don't think anything will be done, the Government is too corrupt. I mean I think at this point we have a DOJ that will not even consider going after Joe Biden. In my view, we have a president that is severely compromised.Can we now apply the label of "Corruption Denier" to those who ignore this situation?
When the FBI raid Trump's home it's like letting the Criminals investigate the Victim.
I see your point, and it rings true to me. In my view, we have an FBI, and DOJ that has become a tool of the White House. They accuse, start investigations, and evidence becomes secondary to the accusations. This is not in any respect acceptable. It opens up a system that can condemn without cause, and slander and destroy lives. This is a practice of the Communist party adopted long ago. It is sad to see many Americans don't recognize how unfair this system is.
Are we saying all this about the FBI and investigative agencies being compromised because MAGA people can't accept the considerable possibility that Trump is guilty of more than a couple of serious crimes?
If Trump were in office, and the situations reversed would you say the same about our regulatory and law enforcement agencies?
This deep state stuff is just more GOP goulash for me.Gee, Trump was in office and it didn't stop those corrupt FBI criminals from investigating him
But when that corrupt filthy corrupt biden in office. they lick his buttHas the FBI changed at all from the administration of Mr Trump to President Biden?
No change. The top levels of the FBI were Marxist woke then just as they are Marxist woke now.
They hated Trump then as much as the hate him now. The see Trump as the enemy of the State and a threat to their Marxist agenda.He appointed the top levels though and as far as I know President Biden hasn't removed any of them. I'm not sure how the FBI could be any more Trump friendly at this point. And as far as the department of Justice goes, they have used all Trump appointed investigators for any thing they've done concerning Hunter Biden.
No changes, however, it appears that the department has been compromised for a long time by many that have become political.
"07.25.2022
Whistleblowers’ Reports Reveal Double Standard In Pursuit Of Politically Charged Investigations By Senior FBI, DOJ Officials
Tampering spanned multiple election cycles, infected investigative activity involving Hunter Biden
WASHINGTON – Multiple FBI whistleblowers, including those in senior positions, are raising the alarm about tampering by senior FBI and Justice Department officials in politically sensitive investigations ranging from election and campaign finance probes across multiple election cycles to investigative activity involving derogatory information on Hunter Biden’s financial and foreign business activities. The legally protected disclosures to Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) suggest a political double standard has influenced and infected decisions in matters of paramount public interest."
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/ne … -officialsI don't know who Mr grassley wants in there? It looks like the highest levels of the FBI are all Trump holdovers. If they are not to be trusted in terms of their investigations involving Mr Trump then they are not to be trusted in terms of their investigations involving Hunter Biden, correct?
It appears some of the whistleblowers according to Grassley are from senior positions. I feel these whistleblowers will be heard, and need to be heard in a public hearing. It appears the FBI has been compromised for many years and needs revamping from the top down if the agency is proven to become political at any level. I can't ignore the fact that they lied to the FISA court. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/ … the%20FBI.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/fbi- … -hurricane
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics … bi-conduct
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/11/79556648 … gn-adviser
“Multiple FBI whistleblowers, including those in senior positions” informed the Iowa Republican senator that “Washington Field Office assistant special agent in charge Timothy Thibault and other FBI officials … ‘falsely portray[ed] as disinformation evidence acquired from multiple sources that provided the FBI derogatory information related to Hunter Biden’s financial and foreign business activities, even though some of that information had already been or could be verified.’”
https://republicans-judiciary.house.gov … icization/
I would think this mess will be one of the first investigations we will see if the Republicans take the House. Grassley, I believe now 20 FBI agents are willing to give information about the Hunter Biden investigation. These agents have worked for many years for the FBI. Not sure why you think it important that they also were in the FBI under Trump. It well appears the FBI may have been compromised politically for many years.
They clearly were working to go after Trump from the moment he was in the primary into his presidency, and if the FBI whistleblowers are telling the truth many agents protect Hunter Biden and buried his investigation before the 2020 election.
I guess this will be a wait-and-see. I am sure there will be hearings on Grassley's accusations. He certainly is not about to give up on one.I'm just not understanding the logic that Mr Trump's own FBI would choose to go against him? Also, I'm hoping Mr. Grassley's constituents will vote him out and let him take a well-deserved retirement at his ripe old age of 90. Enough is enough already. I don't think the man sees clearly anymore.
I am not sure if you realize, No, the POTUS has the authority to fire anyone he wants at the FBI (or any other federal employee for that matter). I have never witnessed a president come into the office and fire FBI agents, other than a director, as many have done. Agents are to conduct themselves as non-political.
I am really for setting years an 8-year time limit on Congress, and an age limit. I think it would be a wonderful way to find individuals that are there to serve Americans and not possibly serve themselves. Grassley is working with Senator Johnson in regard to this investigation. Plus, I think this one is a gimmie if Republicans hold a majority. They will naturally be after Joe Biden through Hunter. To much smoke to not shine a light on Hunter and Joe.
I also strongly feel that those who sit in Congress as well as the President need to pass a cognitive test before they are allowed to run for office. It is clear we are having candidates slip through the cracks, and are not cognitively sound to be in Washington representing America.
More BS, I see?
Trump was in charge of the Executive Branch and by extension, the Attorney General's Office, yet under his watch and control all these agencies were scheming to get him? Yeah, right.
The law is the law and Trump does not get to make it.
These agencies are there to uphold the law and not to merely submit to Trumps every desire.The same FBI gave Hillary a pass when she had classified documents on her unsecure server on her home computer, not to mention all the State Department officals who sent her those classified documents/e-mails knowing her computer was unsecure.. How come they are not ALL in jail. Maybe becaue Hillary and those corrupt State Department officals were Marxist and woke enough to give them all a pass. Just like biden.
All of this was under obama's watch.
Marxist + Woke = Pass
I think I am saying it due to the lack of any form of Trump indictments. And the fact that the FBI before the 2020 election ignored Hunter's many problems that pointed to possible crimes. Not to mention the FBI lying to the FISA court a couple of times, and the investigation of Trump's connections with Russia, which fizzled out without any evidence. . I have come to feel the FBI is an extension of the White House and is protecting the Biden's, as is the DOJ. I mean it's time to get off the pot one might say in regard to all the Trump investigations.
I can't remember any evidence that Trump's DOJ was doing his bidding. I realize there were accusations that Trump did make requests of Barr, which Barr backed away from. But the FBI, I feel they were well compromised by the Democratic party, which has become evident with the many FBI agents leaking to Grassley. Lots of water under that bridge.
That I agree. The DOJ is a weak office with staff that are fully compromised.
I don't think this is a credible source whatsoever. It's a gossip site
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