Why Many Might Not Vote for Trump

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  1. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 6 weeks ago

    1.)  Corruption
       a.)  Trump just offered to sell policy to the oil industry for $1 billion
       b.)  Tried to blackmail a foreign country to get a fake investigation
       c.)  Tried to steal a presidential election with blatant lies
       d.)  Appointed family to government positions
       e.)  Used his position to enrich himself by overcharging secret service for protection
       f.)   Raked in millions from foreign dignitaries at his DC hotel
       g.)  Obstruction of Justice in both Russia Investigation and Documents case
       h.)  Campaign finance violations (NY case, sexual discrimination settlement case)

    2.)  Openly stating he wants to be a dictator and his right-wing allies have put an authoritarian plan in place called Project 2025

    3.)  Chaotic first term that saw only one major piece of legislation passed, a tax-cut for the rich that ballooned the national debt

    4.)  Mishandled the Covid crisis by removing critical scientists from China in 2018, lying to the American people about the dangers, and railing against the basic of public health preventions such as masks.  Refused to tell his supporters he got the vaccine.  Studies note that his actions alone contributed to over 200,000 American deaths

    5.)  Began his term with a 4.2% unemployment rate, ended with a 6.3% rate

    6.)  Set a one-term record for addition to the national debt at $7.8 trillion, a full 25% of the total in just four years

    7.)  Violated the basic human rights of children with his child-separation policy

    8.)  Coddled murderous authoritarians while alienating our allies

    9.)  Talked negatively about our troops and veterans on multiple occasions

    10.)  Did such a poor job that 40 of 44 cabinet members that have gone on record would not endorse a second term, including his Vice President

    11.)  Was found liable of sexually abusing a woman and then defaming her

    12.)  Claims responsibility for overturning Roe and removing a woman's right to body autonomy

    13.)  Trump is a climate change denialist

    14.)  People believe that Trump will remove the US from NATO

    15.)  The numerous acts of domestic terror that Trump has inspired with his violent rhetoric (January 6, FBI Cincy office, Cesar Sayoc, El Paso, Buffalo, Paul Pelosi)

    16.)  Uses openly racist rhetoric like Coco Chow and China Virus that has led to an increase in hate crime against Asian Americans

    17.)  Trump cannot accept reality that people don't like him and that he loses elections

    18.)  Trump's stance that he will pardon those who participated in January 6th

    19.)  Made the disastrous decision to free 5,000 Taliban fighters before we had evacuated the country.  Invited the Taliban to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

    20.)  Abandoned US allies in Turkey

    21.)  Promised that Mexico would pay for the wall, then used taxpayer money instead

    22.)  Failed to pass an infrastructure package during his four-year term

    Feel free to add your own reasons.

    1. Credence2 profile image77
      Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      An exhaustive list, Valeant. I think that there has been two standards of judgement, one for "Teflon Don" and the other for Joe Biden. Reality says that there was a BP and an AP, before and after pandemic period.

      The Rightwingers speak of the good old days prior to the Pandemic while Trump was merely basking under the glow of Obama's successful efforts to repair the economy. They unfairly apply a standard to Biden regarding this inflation as a result of economic forces after the Pandemic which was clearly the result of forces beyond his control. What would Trump do to stem the inflationary tide, what would he have done? He runs his mouth but I see no solutions other that to bash Biden.

      People that vote for Trump are not dealing with a person they are voting their most loathsome fears, insecurities and attitudes, akin to a foul draught from a slaughterhouse, it can never really be pinned down. Now that is the REAL candidate here, not Trump. Trump is just a symbol and you can never hold a symbol accountable. How could someone with such a poor performance rating upon his exit do so well in 2020?

      Trump is a ghost while Biden is just a man. It is all a "Ghost Story", Trump is not real.

      When it comes to Trump, people are not rational and they dont feel that they need to be. That is the true danger, and that is what Democrats have to realize and be prepared to overwhelm next November.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image75
        Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Sorry to disrupt this 'echo chamber' thread here...

        This election will not be about Trump's sins for the majority of voters.

        This election will be about who the People believe will do a better job of running the country, regardless of their personal flaws.

        This election will come down to the three legitimate options.

        RFK, Trump, Biden

        The Clintons had many flaws, some of which were documented in the media prior to his election... that also was a 3 horse race.

        Clinton won against Bush Sr. not because he was well known, or didn't have issues criminal and personal, but mostly because of what the People felt about Bush Sr ... 'Read My Lips - No New taxes' amongst other things.

        While this will be about Trump, for the politically active, and the nitty gritty facts about him, for most voters it will be about Trump, and how things were between 2016 - 2019... or... Pre-Pandemic.

        How they are in Biden's America today... on whatever issues matter to the individuals voting... inflation, migration, taxation... 

        Even people who vote primarily on Women's issues have a tough choice to make, supporting the guy who takes credit for kicking back Roe, or supporting the guy who made Trans men equitable to Women and essentially told women to suck it up and deal with it.

        Then there are the wars... kids these days are very concerned about the potential for WWIII, I know this is a very real concern for many of them, surprisingly so as I have come to find out.

        In that matter, Biden is considered a warmonger... and Trump anti-war.

        1. Valeant profile image85
          Valeantposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          'This election will not be about Trump's sins for the majority of voters....(like me).'  There, corrected it to make it believable.

          'While this will be about Trump, for the politically active, and the nitty gritty facts about him, for most voters (like me) it will be about Trump, and how things were between 2016 - 2019... or... Pre-Pandemic.'  Again, fixed it.  For the rest of us, we will judge Trump from 2017 to 2021 - his actual full term.  And when an actual crisis hit, he failed.  When that failure led to his denial of a second term, he refused to leave office and tried to litigate his way back into office.  When that failed, he tried to violate the law to do it.  Which is part of the reason that the sane former members of his cabinet refuse to endorse him for a second term.

          And nice false equivalency of trying to equate the loss of body autonomy, which literally endangers women's health, to Biden's support of the transgender community.

          Which war is the United States currently in?  Supporting allies is not war.  Nice try.  Biden made the hard choice to end our conflict in Afghanistan - that's hardly warmongering.  And before you try and use the loss of our brave troops for your political gain, both Biden and Trump have some culpability for the tragic loss of life on removing our people.

      2. Ken Burgess profile image75
        Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        This is very true, you have exhibited this to a degree.

        There are people devoted to a Party, 50+ million Democrats... and today rather than saying Republican I think it is fair to say Trump-supporters, that too is about 50+ million Americans.

        The rest are 'up for grabs' as they say.

        What I do not think matters to them, is the BS charges of corruption, treason, etc.  Biden is a pawn of China, his son's firm got billions from China, Biden and his son got millions from their dealings with Ukraine, Biden took sexual showers with his daughter, etc. etc.

        Trump conspired with Russia, he got a loan that was somehow fraudulent according to the NY court system, depending on what "side" you belong to, you either believe or disbelieve the noise.

        Those 'undecideds' are going to vote on things like Economy/Inflation, Gaza/Israel, Ukraine/Russia, Abortion, etc.

        They are going to compare where the Country was with Trump, Pre-Covid, as to where it is come October 2024.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          They are going to compare where the Country was with Trump, Pre-Covid, as to where it is come October 2024.

          Where we were at that point was what Obama left us with.  Trump did absolutely nothing that significantly impacted the economy or inflation in the short time before COVID hit. 

          If you compare key economic indicators from Barack Obama’s second term in office to the first three years of Trump’s time (that is, before the pandemic hit), the data show a continuation of trends, not a dramatic shift. It suggests Trump didn’t build something new; rather he inherited a pretty good situation.

          What did he leave us with?  A completely botched response to COVID and handling of pandemic.  Biden was handed a dumpster fire and has skillfully navigated the country through a recovery that has undeniably been the best in the world.

          The majority of Trump's " best people"  who served in his administration  seem to all agree on one thing...that he was an unstable ignoramus.

          1. Readmikenow profile image93
            Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Maybe we should simply compare inflation rates.

            Hint: It wasn't 9% when biden took office.

          2. Ken Burgess profile image75
            Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Voters aren't going to go through all that tap-dancing BS...

            Its very simple... and 98% of people are going to defer to the very simple...

            Was I better off 5 years ago with Trump before all the Pandemic lockdowns, forced vaccinations, DEI, lets start wars with everyone Biden Administration or not?

            Was it easier to buy gas and pay for groceries 5 years ago or not?

            So you have your voters that will vote Democrat no matter what, will ignore a recession, depression, world wide devastation... doesn't matter... they are voting Democrat and anything wrong is the fault of Trump/Republicans.

            Disregarding that 40ish percent... the rest are going to vote anything BUT Democrat in 2024.

  2. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 5 weeks ago

    Yeah, when there was another post in a different thread remembering how Trump created this great economy, I was like, sure, he did.  When he was sworn in, the unemployment rate was standing at 4.2% and had been declining from post-Bush highs of 10%.  Trump managed to bring it down another .7% to 3.5%, but ended his term at 6.3%.  Both Obama and Biden were better on job growth than Trump, even pre-pandemic.  All three have been good for the stock market. 

    Inflation was a global issue, a side effect from a recovery that saw thousands of businesses close and supply chains damaged.  Trump has stated that his solution to inflation is to 'drill, baby, drill.'  Well, drilling has never been higher than under Biden.  So, that solution is already being tried and not having much of an effect on lowering prices.

  3. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 5 weeks ago

    Plus, the constant lying and gross exaggeration to live in an alternate reality gets really tiresome to debunk.

    Taylor Swift with 73,000 people in attendance.
    https://hubstatic.com/17028376.jpg

    Donald Trump's Wildwood rally with 80,000 to 100,000 people in attendance (according to them).
    https://hubstatic.com/17028377.jpg

  4. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 5 weeks ago

    A very comprehensive list indeed.  Although it is probably been touched on, I would have to add to the list his abhorrent character. 
    From his juvenile name-calling to mocking a disabled reporter, insinuating the late John Dingell was looking up from hell, calling our veterans suckers and losers, using the Bible as a prop, defaming Shay Moss & Ruby Freeman and using Paul Pelosi as a punchline, he is loathsome.

    Republicans have historically portrayed themselves as the party of morals and family values, often claiming ownership of the high road.  The embrace of such a the despicable man is really quite something.  It is obvious that character no longer matters and as a result these folks have lost the ability to discuss values or morals in any credible manner.

    1. Valeant profile image85
      Valeantposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Plus, we're in the middle of a criminal trial where it's been exposed that Trump cheated on his current wife, by having a ten-month affair with one woman and a one-night stand with a porn star in another instance.  And if that wasn't bad enough, the second one - he told her that she reminded him of his daughter.  Ick.

  5. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 5 weeks ago

    They call it fighting, but what it really is, is childishness.  And they like it.

  6. Credence2 profile image77
    Credence2posted 5 weeks ago

    Our secret weapon?

    The amount of support that Nikki Haley has taken from Trump in what should have been a slam dunk for the sole candidate and ex-president, is a soft underbelly. Biden needs to exploit that. Trump, this insufferably stupid man and his ego, will never try to close the chasm with Haley supporters. Let's hope that he continues in this attitude. Many of the Trump doubters will come home in November, but not all of them. Those disaffected ones can help make the difference in outcome.

    Trump is already throwing bombs at RFK as the fruitcake appears to be attracting more GOP-Trump voters than Democrats. Trump will show his ass with his insults and attacks, perceptive people will pick it up. Democrats already know that RFK is no "Kennedy".  Trump already refers to the Kennedys as a bunch of lunatics. A well placed scalpel with well placed cuts by Biden and Democrats could prove strategic.

    The phony abortion issue and the Trump and MAGA shell game as to where they actually stand needs to be addressed in Biden ads. Trump and the GOP are all over the place with Trump's talk of state control up the point of their being able to tie women up by umbilical cords. This ambiguity can only be interpreted as a con and distraction from the GOP real objective. Independent women need to be made to understand that a lot more is at stake than the rising price of ground beef. Let the Democrats pull all stops and make the case, point blank with the kid gloves off.

    It turns out that Trump and MAGA may well be offering the very tools that they will use on themselves to facilitate their own demise. I won't get in the way....

  7. abwilliams profile image68
    abwilliamsposted 5 weeks ago

    "Keep in mind, in the long arch of history, good always prevails over evil.

    Pray like your life and our country depends on it, because it does."

    - General Michael Flynn

  8. Readmikenow profile image93
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    What is strange is that of May 13, 2024 President Donald Trump is leading biden.

    I suppose most Americans must see things a little different that the left.  If he was all that bad he shouldn't be so high in the polling.  I wonder why he is doing so well.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po … /national/

    1. Valeant profile image85
      Valeantposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Maybe because the right still thinks the polling is accurate.  When actual elections happen since Roe, Democrats have overperformed the polling by eight points.

      1. Readmikenow profile image93
        Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Ah, but that only happens in certain states.

        biden is very weak on the economy and securing border.  Two area where President Donald Trump excelled during his presidency.

        These are the two biggest issues on the minds of voters right now.

        1. Valeant profile image85
          Valeantposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Your voters.  Our voters believe democracy, women's rights, voting rights, and our allies are the biggest issues.  Plus, not having a president who is a convicted felon is pretty important.

          1. abwilliams profile image68
            abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Translates to:
            1) The right for anyone to vote as long as they vote along "Thee Party" lines.
            2) The unconditional sacrifice of tiny humans, under the guise of "women's health".
            3) Pretending the competition is a criminal so that "the big guy" is, at least, fairly appealing.

            1. Valeant profile image85
              Valeantposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              We all love it when the right tries, and fails, to invent things that other people mean in their posts.  It's usually a trainwreck, and this one did not disappoint.

              1. abwilliams profile image68
                abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Where am I wrong and I will correct it?

                1. Valeant profile image85
                  Valeantposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Would you?  Doubt it.  MAGA never thinks they are wrong after all.

                  But let's go down the radicalized-thinking portal we saw in that post and make equally extreme accusations...
                  1.)  MAGA wants to murder mothers who suffer complications during pregnancy, they are unworthy of continued life if they cannot birth healthy babies.  And sorry 13-year-old girl who has been raped, MAGA says you must endure more trauma and have your rapist's baby.
                  2.)  You cannot vote unless you vote in the approved MAGA way...in person only, only on one day, and you must provide three forms of ID with one being a birth certificate, fingerprints, and a blood sample.
                  3.)  According to MAGA, no MAGA can ever be guilty because all jury trials are rigged.  Even when a jury has multiple MAGA supporters on it and they still find a MAGA guilty based on the evidence.

                  Accurate?  Or can you see how you invented positions for me that just aren't true in any way, shape or form and went right to the extremes?

                  And for the record, no one cares who you vote for - just that you have access to exercise your right.  That position invention was such a blatant lie that I didn't really need to read any further.  It did show me how radical the thinking of the other party is though, that's for sure, to believe such obvious falsehoods about other people.

                  1. abwilliams profile image68
                    abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    So you don't want little humans aborted? Good, glad I was wrong about that.
                    Finger prints, blood samples, seriously? A photo I.D. will suffice.
                    I think you have voting mixed up with all that Biden wanted from us during the pandemic.

                  2. Readmikenow profile image93
                    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    "Accurate?"

                    No, I'd say it dwells within the realm of delusional.

            2. Ken Burgess profile image75
              Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              The interesting thing about 'Thee Party' supporters, is their people can break every rule and law in the book... and excuses are made. 

              The MSM sweeps their crimes under the rug, the FBI tries to make the evidence disappear and 'Thee Party' supporters know not to speak out. 

              Consider how little is discussed about the below:

              Left-wing "fact checkers" Snopes are now admitting that Ashley Biden's diary is verified after Ashley wrote a letter to the judge confirming the diary is hers and is real.

              You know, the diary that spoke about how her dad (ol'Joe) took *ahem* inappropriate showers with her.

              1. abwilliams profile image68
                abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Oh I am well aware Ken.....
                but, but Trump...
                SWEEP SWEEP!!

          2. Readmikenow profile image93
            Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Your voters don't care about competence when it comes to doing a job.

            The number of people who disapprove of biden's job performance is over 55% as of today and growing.

            https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/bi … al-rating/

            A man suffering cognitive decline who can't participate in a presidential debate and look so frail and old.  A man who prosecutors can't charge with a crime because he has been labeled as a forgetful old man.

            That is what you want to put on the country.

            1. Credence2 profile image77
              Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              "Your voters don't care about competence when it comes to doing a job."

              On the contrary, that is precisely why we don't vote for Trump, Mike.

              1. Readmikenow profile image93
                Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                If you say that is the reason you vote for biden, that speaks volumes about what you consider to be competent.

            2. Valeant profile image85
              Valeantposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Sure we do, we just think the people that surround Biden will be able to handle the issues that might come up with Biden's health.

              Got news for you, Sport.  Both men are suffering cognitive decline, and Biden has agreed to debate Trump, just not now.  And we've debunked your 'forgetful old man' BS with Hur's actual words from his interview.  Guess we'll add this to the list of realities that MAGA denies.

              As for approval, not sure replacing the guy with a 55% disapprove rating with the guy who left office with a 61% disapprove rating is really the best move.  That's what you want to put on the country.  Replacing bad with worse.

              1. Readmikenow profile image93
                Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                "we've debunked your 'forgetful old man' BS with Hur's actual words from his interview. "

                NO, you haven't.

                1. Valeant profile image85
                  Valeantposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Well, you put it in capital letters, so it must be true.

  9. abwilliams profile image68
    abwilliamsposted 5 weeks ago

    Not sure how those on the left will respond to your pondering...
    But I surmise, that not all Americans are onboard with the "transformation" begun by Obama/Biden and company. Some, never were and others that thought they were or might be - WEREN'T!

  10. Readmikenow profile image93
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    CNN host makes stark admission about Trump trial

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FfcsHwKGE

  11. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 5 weeks ago

    Anyone else wondering why Trump is trying to prop up Hannibal Lecter?  Is he trying to make cannibalism great again?

  12. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 5 weeks ago

    Here are some of the former Trump voters likely casting those protest votes in the primaries:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Rr8UhaZ9Y

    So many reasons that these Republicans list.  He's alienated so many people in so many ways.

  13. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 4 weeks ago

    More Republicans speaking out against the GOP in its current format:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohPRgw41iuQ

    1. Readmikenow profile image93
      Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Interesting how President Donald Trump continues to lead biden in the polls.

      As of today

      https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po … /national/

      1. tsmog profile image84
        tsmogposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        As an observation I find it interesting how close it is at this time. That poll you suggest has Trump with a 1.2% lead. The Hill Election Center has Trump up by 1%.

        According to the US Census 154.6 voters turned out to vote in 2020. That means using an average of 1.1% for Trump for the two polling sources only 1.7 million votes separate them. Enough, certainly, but offers uncertainty as I see it.

        Key of course is the swing states that apparently Trump is doing quite well. From the Morning Consult, which is a polling organization for today, May 22, their key takeaways on the swing states are next;

        ** Trump has an advantage over Biden in Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, while the two are tied in Nevada. The incumbent Democrat continues to hold a marginal lead in Michigan, maintaining his edge from April.

        ** When third-party contenders are included, the margins between Trump and Biden are nearly identical in all of those states except Nevada, where Trump’s advantage is a bit wider. Meanwhile, the leading third-party contender — independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — has seen his standing decline across the swing-state map since our tracking began in October.

        ** On tech policy, swing-state voters are raising concerns about artificial intelligence’s impact on their privacy.

        Interesting . . .

      2. Valeant profile image85
        Valeantposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        You keep leaning on the polls that have been off by, on average, eight points since Roe was overturned.  Good luck with that.

  14. Credence2 profile image77
    Credence2posted 4 weeks ago

    "Blame the other side for that which you are guilty and repeat the lie.” —

    Joseph Goebbels

    MAGA, does that sound familiar?

    1. Readmikenow profile image93
      Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Yes, it remind me of democrats and the left.

  15. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 4 weeks ago

    Biden got money?  There is zero proof of that, but plenty that goes directly against that claim.  MAGA lives in an alternate reality and I think that might be the decider for those up-for-grabs voters.  Do you trust a party that lives in their own false reality to run the country or one that is grounded to actual facts?  There's a clear separation there.

    And the thought that people need to give Trump some kind of exemption for Covid is ludicrous.  He was in charged and failed miserably during that crisis.  Many of his actions in the years leading up to it, helped facilitate the pandemic - such as removing key scientists from China in 2018.

    Listen to the many former Trump voters speaking out.  Many independent voters will likely vote based on the same ideas, that Trump is completely unfit for a return to office.  Pick your reason - attacking our troops, coddling dictators, openly aspiring to be a dictator, sexually abusing a woman, cheating on his current wife, fraud, self-dealing, a failure to get an endorsement from his previous cabinet members, terrible fiscal management, lying to the public during a national emergency, and the fact that he displayed a complete abandonment of democratic principles in trying to overturn a presidential election.

    Ken believes the issues he listed will frame the election.  However, there are character issues, women's rights issues, and democracy issues that are major concerns to as many Americans.  Let alone the possibility that people would ever elect a convicted felon to the highest office in the land.

    1. Credence2 profile image77
      Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Valeant, that is the rub isn't it? Is the American people's opinion of Joe Biden and his administration so dire that they would elect a convicted felon to the top job?

      No one would have believed this just 10 years ago. Have the people fallen so far? Has Trump's phony fireworks captivated so many?

      If Trump is convicted of a felony, that ought to put somewhat of a dent in his poll numbers?

  16. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 4 weeks ago

    Or we could be smart enough to understand when supply chains got damaged that led to that inflation.  But that might be asking too much of a certain segment of the population.

    1. Readmikenow profile image93
      Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      After three years and inflation has only increased for three year.  The supply chain is not the problem.

      1. tsmog profile image84
        tsmogposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Inflation has increased? Please explain. As I see it, not in defense of Biden, but it is the very fact that prices are high due to inflation no matter the direct inflationary cause. And, the corporations are not going to lower the prices. Is that greed or capitalism at work? I am willing to listen. I don't mind being told I don't understand or that I am an old fool.

        1. GA Anderson profile image88
          GA Andersonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Well, you're hanging around with a bunch of us old fools, so, if the shoe fits . . . ;-)

          To the point, and not making an argument, but is it fair to say it is the rate of inflation that is decreasing? Prices are still rising. Inflation is still increasing, just not as fast.

          GA

          1. tsmog profile image84
            tsmogposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Not being argumentative while not giving anything to Biden, but the fact is inflation at its peak in 2022 was 9.1%. Today it is 3.4%. So, seems it did come down. My information came from Fox Business News.

            The article in my view masks reality. It states inflation rose 20% since Biden took office. As I stated, prices rose with inflation and in some cases with a great leap while one ponders greed!! Or, price gouging. No sensible person believes once prices increased they will significantly come down. It just don't work that way. That is what we are suffering from, now, as I see it.

            I can play the blame game. I do blame Biden. Isn't that a natural inclination. He was in charge. The buck stops with him.

            Inflation is up 20% since Biden took office (May 20, 2024)
            https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/inf … ook-office

            Frankly, not being picky, I would like to see evidence that prices are still rising and inflation is still increasing significantly. I am in agreement fluctuations are occurring today just as Quantum Mechanics says everything is a wave with ups and downs.

            As said, I am willing to be educated and remove my 'perspective' no matter how ill-informed. I know one thing for damn sure tax cuts aren't going to lower inflation.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image75
              Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              Inflation is cumulative...

              At one time a year back the calculation was just over 30%.

              That was a more real figure which included things that are often left out.

              Energy is often left out of those calculations, the change in interest rates is often left out.  Interest rates make a major difference, as anyone buying a car or home that has to take out a loan to do so can tell you.

              People are struggling today, they are burning through retirement funds and other savings to get by... those that have used Credit Cards to survive 2023 are heading toward bankruptcy in 2024 as interest rates on credit cards are the highest they have ever been in history.

              Americans... those who live paycheck to paycheck survived 2023... they are going to find it harder to do so in 2024.

              And the government won't be there to catch them in a safety net... the Biden Administration is too busy worrying about making sure foreigners are flown in and taken care of, if a few Americans slip through the cracks and get added to the millions of homeless we already have... so be it.

              1. tsmog profile image84
                tsmogposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Thanks for the info, Ken.

            2. GA Anderson profile image88
              GA Andersonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              Maybe the point is no more than a semantics argument. Except for use as arguing 'fact' the difference doesn't seem to matter.

              The comment about prices still increasing (inflation?) but the rate of their rise, of the increase: 9% vs 3%, is declining. Inflation isn't as bad as it was, but it is still a real thing.

              For proof that prices are still rising just go to the grocery store a couple weeks in a row.

              At our age (my wife and I), our 'grocery list' is practically a 'standard bunch of items, as in most of the time I'm buying the same thing each time I go. Twice a week, every week. That's how I see the price increases.

              As a note, I was not pointing any fingers of blame, just arguing that inflation is still a thing.

              GA

              1. tsmog profile image84
                tsmogposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Thanks for the reply. I appreciate your position and thoughts!

              2. Ken Burgess profile image75
                Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                I'm by no means a brilliant economist, but I do take the time to listen to and/or read on occasion those who may be.

                Our government spends way more than it brings in...

                Another way of looking at it is they create or 'print money'...

                The more you create, the less each dollar is worth... this is like a hidden taxation, your savings is worth less, your stocks less, etc.

                This is why an Apple now costs $5 when not so long ago it cost 50 cents.

                Inflation may go down to 3% but it does not change the fact that an Apple now costs $5 rather than 50 cents.

                Inflation is another word for devaluation...

                1. GA Anderson profile image88
                  GA Andersonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  You're preaching to the choir again.  ;-)

                  Inflation is the immediate effect and barometer, devaluation is the cumulative effect and result.

                  GA

  17. IslandBites profile image90
    IslandBitesposted 4 weeks ago

    Haley says she will vote for Trump

    “As a voter, I put my priorities on a president who’s going to have the backs of our allies and hold our enemies to account, who would secure the border, no more excuses,” Haley, the former president’s ex-rival in the Republican presidential race, said at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank. “A president who would support capitalism and freedom, a president who understands we need less debt not more debt.”

    “Trump has not been perfect on these policies. I’ve made that clear, many, many times. But Biden has been a catastrophe. So, I will be voting for Trump,” she said.

    “Having said that, I stand by what I said in my suspension speech. Trump would be smart to reach out to the millions of people who voted for me and continue to support me, and not assume that they’re just going to be with him,” Haley added. “And I genuinely hope he does that.”


    Would they vote for him? I guess the majority will, party over country.



    Former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford (R) criticized ex-GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley’s recent announcement that she would vote for former President Trump in November.

    “Well, I’d say, in some ways, it’s to be expected,” Sanford responded to the news in an interview on “CNN NewsNight.” “And what I mean by that is, ambition kills off a lot of things.”

    “And what you have here is somebody obviously wanting to be relevant in 2028,” he added.

    In the interview Wednesday, Sanford told host Abby Phillip that Haley was also looking at what could benefit her political future, saying she is “absolutely putting ambition first.”

    “And she’s sort of doing the middle calculation, and the political calculation of ‘What will help me most if I wanna run again?’” Sanford, who has been an outspoken critic of the former president, said.

    Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), also called out Haley Wednesday for supporting her former rival, calling the decision “pathetic.”



    Another spineless politician.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image75
      Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      That is only your opinion/perception.

      Many will vote for Trump believing they are saving the country by doing so.

  18. Readmikenow profile image93
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    Interesting how President Donald Trump held a rally in the South Bronx.  It was expected to draw 3,500 people.  Over 25,000 showed up.  His popularity is growing everywhere.

    "Trump vows to 'save' deep-blue New York City in massive, historic Bronx rally

    NEW YORK – Former President Donald Trump has broken political norms by visiting one of the most deep-blue areas in New York City, a town not necessarily known for its kindness to Republicans.

    Trump rallied a crowd of what his campaign estimated to be 25,000 supporters at Crotona Park in the Bronx on Thursday, far more than the initial 3,500 it said were expected to attend. Those numbers appeared to also include those lined up outside the event – who waited hours for a shot at getting inside even after the event began.

    "I'm here tonight to declare we are going to turn New York City around, and we are going to turn it around very, very quickly," Trump said after taking the stage, vowing to bring back safety and better schools to the city. "We are going to make New York bigger, better and greater than ever before."

    Trump praised the history of New York, but lamented that it was "now a city in decline."

    "I've never seen it quite like this," he said, noting the violent crime taking place on subways and homeless encampments across the city.

    Trump went on to rail against President Biden, saying he wasn't "getting the job done" for the people of the Bronx, and that he was "grossly incompetent."

    "If a New Yorker can't save this city, no one can," Trump declared to loud cheers. "Who said we're not going to win New York?"

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- … ronx-rally

    Here is some video from the event.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-HgwaBKrDo

  19. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 4 weeks ago

    'Trump rallied a crowd of what his campaign estimated to be 25,000 supporters...'

    The same campaign that said there were 80,000-100,000 in Wildwood in a venue that holds 20,000 and was not even half full.  A couple thousand in the Bronx is what actual news services are reporting.  Stop believing the lies, man.

    1. Readmikenow profile image93
      Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      It is agreed that the venue was permitted to hold 3,500 people and many people waited outside the venue and couldn't get in.

      The fact that a Republican held a rally in the south Bronx and drew a large enthusiastic crowd is remarkable.  I've been to the south Bronx and know it is not a place where stereotypical Republican voters are found.

      I doubt biden could draw such a crowd.

      1. Valeant profile image85
        Valeantposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        It's a city of 1.4 million people.  People on Staten Island favor him, so to think he'd get a few thousand to come and see him in the Bronx, since this is one of the few times he's dared to do a rally in a large city where he's universally loathed, is not really the great achievement Trumpers are making it out to be.

        1. Readmikenow profile image93
          Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          CNN reporter struck by size of pro-Trump rally in 'one of the bluest counties in the entire country'

          CNN correspondent Kristen Holmes told anchor Anderson Cooper that she was surprised by the massive support the former President Trump drew at a rally in the Bronx on Thursday.

          "Certainly a bigger crowd than I think Democrats would like to see, particularly given this is one of the bluest counties in the entire country," Holmes said when asked what the energy was like at the rally.

          "I wasn't sure what to expect," she said.

          "I’ve gone to a lot of these rallies across the country, and there are often people who travel hundreds of miles to see Donald Trump and they’re not necessarily part of the community," she added. "However, one of the things that I found was that there were a lot of people here that were actually from the Bronx."

          Trump rallied a crowd of what his campaign estimated to be 25,000 supporters on Thursday, far more than the initial 3,500 it said were expected to attend. Those numbers appeared to also include those lined up outside the event – who waited hours for a shot at getting inside even after the event began.

          https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-repor … e-district

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            What is the capacity for that venue? And if he exceeded it was he fined?


            Edit
            "Trump requested an event permit for 3,500 people, according to The New York Times. On Thursday, 3,400 tickets had been issued for the rally, according to NYPD statements made to Raw Story. How many ticket holders showed up is unclear, but according to live aerial shots from ABC, Trump’s rally was confined to just one area of the palatial park: the amphitheater."

            The aerial photos look like there may be a thousand people there lol...


            https://hubstatic.com/17044045_f1024.jpg

          2. Valeant profile image85
            Valeantposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Again, reposting Trump's Campaign staff lies about the crowd size won't make it a reality.  Nor does a CNN reporter saying the turnout was 'bigger than Democrats would like to see' equate to that 25,000 figure.  Just deal with the fact that Trump's Campaign continues to lie to you instead of trying to convince the rest of us of those blatant lies.

            1. Readmikenow profile image93
              Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              I believe you have no proof it was NOT 25,000 people.

  20. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 4 weeks ago

    Trump's voters will change the four years ago to five.  It's how they are conditioned, to ignore anything he does that is a failure.  The rest of the country knows to evaluate a president by his entire term.  And those voters can look at the economy that existed before Trump, and the one that existed before Biden, to judge who has actually managed it well.

    They can also judge who they trust.  Does anyone outside the Trump cult actually trust Trump to be truthful with the American people?  He's a child that lies for his own benefit, to prop up his malignant narcissism in a way that lets himself think everyone actually likes him.  He's so easy to manipulate that it's dangerous for our country.

  21. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    "According to The New York Daily News, as Trump stood on stage at Crotona Park, he gladly introduced Sheff G and Sleepy Hallow, drill rappers who hail from Brooklyn. Last year, both men were reportedly indicted as part of an investigation into a vast murder conspiracy by two Brooklyn gangs, the 8 Trey Crips and 9 Ways."

    So this is Trump's idea of what wins the black vote? How insulting.  People accused of violent crimes appeal to Black voters?   In the very same rally he railed against the Manhattan district attorney who is prosecuting him for “letting violent crime run rampant all over our city.”

    And then he brings the criminals on stage LOL.

    Anyone remember when Trump called for the executions of the Central Park 5?  Taking out a full page newspaper ad... In case anyone is fuzzy on the details, they were all exonerated by DNA.

    1. Credence2 profile image77
      Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      It was a travesty that Trump never apologized for, yes, indeed, I remember

  22. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 3 weeks ago

    Pretty sure the Libertarians won't be voting for Trump in this election:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8gkY1k-Fz0

  23. Readmikenow profile image93
    Readmikenowposted 3 weeks ago

    Dems in full-blown ‘freakout’ over Biden
    One adviser to major Democratic donors keeps a running list of reasons Biden could lose.

    A pervasive sense of fear has settled in at the highest levels of the Democratic Party over President Joe Biden’s reelection prospects, even among officeholders and strategists who had previously expressed confidence about the coming battle with Donald Trump.

    All year, Democrats had been on a joyless and exhausting grind through the 2024 election. But now, nearly five months from the election, anxiety has morphed into palpable trepidation, according to more than a dozen party leaders and operatives. And the gap between what Democrats will say on TV or in print, and what they’ll text their friends, has only grown as worries have surged about Biden’s prospects.

    “You don’t want to be that guy who is on the record saying we’re doomed, or the campaign’s bad or Biden’s making mistakes. Nobody wants to be that guy,” said a Democratic operative in close touch with the White House and granted anonymity to speak freely.

    But Biden’s stubbornly poor polling and the stakes of the election “are creating the freakout,” he said.

    “This isn’t, ‘Oh my God, Mitt Romney might become president.’ It’s ‘Oh my God, the democracy might end.’”

    Despite everything, Trump is running ahead of Biden in most battleground states. He raised far more money in April, and the landscape may only become worse for Democrats, with Trump’s hush-money trial concluding and another — this one involving the president’s son — set to begin in Delaware.

    The concern has metastasized in recent days as Trump jaunted to some of the country’s most liberal territories, including New Jersey and New York, to woo Hispanic and Black voters as he boasted, improbably, that he would win in those areas.

    While he’s long lagged Biden in cash on hand, Trump’s fundraising outpaced the president’s by $25 million last month, and included a record-setting $50.5 million haul from an event in Palm Beach, Florida. One adviser to major Democratic Party donors provided a running list that has been shared with funders of nearly two dozen reasons why Biden could lose, ranging from immigration and high inflation to the president’s age, the unpopularity of Vice President Kamala Harris and the presence of third-party candidates like Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

    “Donors ask me on an hourly basis about what I think,” the adviser said, calling it “so much easier to show them, so while they read it, I can pour a drink.”

    The adviser added, “The list of why we ‘could’ win is so small I don’t even need to keep the list on my phone.”

    On the day after news broke that Biden had trailed Trump in fundraising last month, Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey raised the pressure on donors as she introduced the president to a crowd of 300.

    The cluster of fundraising events Biden attended in Boston that day were expected to bring in more than $6 million for his political operation. But Healey said that wasn’t good enough.

    “To those of you who opened up your wallets, thank you,” said Healey, a Democrat in her first term. “We’d like you to open them up a little bit more and to find more patriots — more patriots who believe in this country, who recognize and understand the challenge presented at this time.”

    Laughter rippled through the room. But Healey’s voice turned serious. With unusual urgency for Healey, the governor implored the room of high-dollar donors and local Democratic leaders to “think long and hard” about the stakes of the election.

    There have been few moments in Biden’s term as president that haven’t been second-guessed, and his aides have made sport of sneering at grim predictions, compiling dossiers of headlines and clips in which the president was underestimated. Biden campaign aides and allies point to some positive polls, including in the battlegrounds, and Trump’s comparative lack of campaigning and infrastructure in the key states, including staff, organizing programs and advertising.

    A Biden campaign adviser granted anonymity to speak freely stressed that the president’s team never made any indication that Trump’s hush-money trial would help — or hurt — him. Instead, the adviser contended that Trump will be forced to defend cutting back abortion rights, attacking democracy and advancing corporate interests as president.

    “Trump’s photo-ops and PR stunts may get under the skin of some very serious D.C. people as compelling campaigning, but they will do nothing to win over the voters that will decide this election,” Biden campaign spokesperson Kevin Munoz told POLITICO. “The work we do every day on the ground and on the airwaves in our battleground states — to talk about how President Biden is fighting for the middle class against the corporate greed that’s keeping prices high, and highlight Donald Trump’s anti-American campaign for revenge and retribution and abortion bans — is the work that will again secure us the White House.”

    Biden supporters who remain optimistic say they’d rather be him than Trump, before rallying around abortion and issues of reproductive rights, which Rep. Dan Kildee, a Michigan Democrat, called “a fundamental game-changer.”

    “We have to run a campaign, where honestly, we drive home the message that Donald Trump takes us back to the 19th century. Biden takes us further into the 21st century,” Kildee said.

    He did not remark on whether such a campaign is being run, or run to his satisfaction.

    “A lot can happen between now and then,” acknowledged Rep. Ann Kuster, a Democrat from New Hampshire, who is retiring after the fall election. She, too, pointed to eroding abortion rights under the conservative-led Supreme Court remade by Trump. “I know a significant number of voters are going to be motivated by the Dobbs decision.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/2 … n-00160047

    1. tsmog profile image84
      tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the link. It was much, much more easier to read at the online article than the above. Old guy stuff with no reading glasses.

      The article left me with more questions than conclusions. One was I wondered why the hell would Eric Trump waste his time in California. Does he think the state will turn Red this election cycle come Nov? I doubt it.

      FiveThirtyEight has Calif on May 28, at:

      Biden = 49.5%
      Trump = 29.6%
      Kennedy = 10.4%

      1. Readmikenow profile image93
        Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

        I agree that California is a lost cause.

        The good news is that so many people are leaving the state they are losing congressional seats.  Just like New York.

        1. tsmog profile image84
          tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          Agreed, I think it is a lost cause financially of least to invest too much money in proselytizing Californians. That is essentially is what it is as I see it. The demographics are:

          Democrats 47%
          Republicans 24%
          Independents 23%

          I would venture the propensity of the independent lean is toward Democrats.

          Yup, those exiting Calif is greater than entering in recent years. As a Californian I could rationalize it by saying quality over quantity. But, the bare bones fact it is too damn costly to live here now.

          But, Calif isn't the only state with an exodus from my poking about here and there. Matter of fact the North East has seen the greatest exodus of all four regions. The South has seen the greatest increase. It is economically motivated from my poking about.

          1. Readmikenow profile image93
            Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            The exodus is mostly from blue states to people relocating to red states.

  24. Ken Burgess profile image75
    Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks ago

    Its really disgusting that they try and call themselves patriots, when their beliefs are so anti-American, anti-America first and always above all others.

    They consider 'Democracy' the destruction of our Republic and subjugation of our Nation's citizens to higher International authorities.

  25. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 3 weeks ago

    The election hiring process, simplified...

    https://hubstatic.com/17048462.jpg

  26. Readmikenow profile image93
    Readmikenowposted 3 weeks ago

    As of today President Donald Trump continues to lead in the polls.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po … t-general/

    Many people will be voting for him.

  27. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago
  28. Readmikenow profile image93
    Readmikenowposted 2 weeks ago

    One meme I saw today said it all

    biden is at a podium and says, "What does it say about Republicans that there candidate is a convicted felon." 
    A reporter responds, "What does it say about democrats that their candidate is trailing in the polls to a convicted felon."

    This puts it in perspective.

    1. Valeant profile image85
      Valeantposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      'Their' candidate.

      And let's give it a week or two for the verdict to set in with the voters.  It's been less than a week.  Even when you go to that 538 polling link, at least half the polls have Biden now leading Trump.  When Trump gets sentenced, and if there's jail time, Biden will likely get another bump in the polls.

    2. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      Further perspective..

      "Hillary Clinton appears on the cusp of a potentially commanding victory over Donald Trump. New Associated Press-GfK poll released Wednesday finds the Democratic nominee has grabbed significant advantages over her Republican rival with just 12 days left before Election Day.

      Overall, the poll shows Clinton leading Trump nationally by a staggering 14 percentage points"

      LOL and I'm to believe polls conducted this far out from election day? Current polls are almost  all are in the margin of error.

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/c … poll-finds

  29. Readmikenow profile image93
    Readmikenowposted 2 weeks ago

    Some former 'Never Trump' voters now say they're backing GOP nominee after his conviction
    'I’m all in with the MAGA people, because this has to end,' a former Clinton voter told The Free Press

    A group of what's been described as "Never Trump" voters are suddenly backing the former president following last week's historic conviction.

    The Free Press spoke with several voters from across the country whose opinions were significantly impacted by the guilty verdict in the New York trial against former President Trump.

    Shaun Maguire, a Los Angeles-based venture capitalist and a former Hillary Clinton campaign donor, declared on social media that he donated $300,000 to the Trump campaign within an hour of the verdict, and wrote in an essay that "the double standards and lawfare that Trump has faced" "boiled my blood."

    He told The Free Press, "We were told that Donald Trump would be the end of democracy, but it turns out that lawfare tactics have been escalated by the Democrats and not by the Republicans. And so it’s from that backdrop that I believe the Republican Party is less of a danger to democracy than the Democratic Party right now."

    University of Chicago Law School lecturer Adam Mortara similarly donated $3,300 to the Trump campaign after not voting in 2020 and opposing him during the 2016 GOP primary, hoping a Trump victory would have a "deterrent effect" on weaponizing the legal system against political foes.

    "What’s gotten me off the sidelines is that if he does not win, and by a rather sizable margin, that will validate this type of weaponization of the judicial system in the future," Mortara told The Free Press. "Before, I would’ve said it’s not a danger to America if Joe Biden wins the election. Now, I kind of think it is."

    New Jersey marketing consultant Kate Nitti was described as a "lifelong Democrat" who began turning against her party when living in New York City following the COVID lockdowns, voting Republican for the first time in the 2021 mayoral race, followed by support for GOP hopeful Lee Zeldin in the 2022 gubernatorial race.

    While previously supporting Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s candidacy, the recent conviction may lead to her pulling the lever for Trump.

    "I’m no fan of Trump. That said, I have a huge problem with contorting the law or using prosecutorial authority in the name of ‘saving democracy,’ which has been the Democrats’ message for the past four years," Nitti said. "I still consider myself a liberal. I just don’t think Biden Democrats reflect what that used to mean."

    Jack MacGuire, a Texas-based travel consultant who voted for Clinton in the 2016 election and supported neither Trump nor Biden in 2020, says the trial "galvanized" him.

    "What happened has every level of corruption and deceit and a willingness to use whatever means necessary to stay in power. It just absolutely galvanized me to say enough is enough. I’m all in with the MAGA people, because this has to end," MacGuire told The Free Press.

    California-based guitar instructor and recording engineer Emery Barter was another "lifelong Democrat" who canvassed for Clinton in 2016 and voted for Biden in 2020, but "hyper-progressive policies" implemented in his hometown of Oakland has made him second-guess his support for Democrats and question the media's coverage of the political landscape.

    "I used to trust the media, but now I feel the media has drifted away from reporting the truth. I just feel everything is completely made up," Barter said.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-ne … conviction

    1. Ken Burgess profile image75
      Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      I think we will have a lot of that in the country.

      Especially with those that don't pay much attention to politics... and then they decide to do some research and find out what awful felon charges Trump was found guilty of... and when they realize what BS it is it will help them realize what is up.

      Like someone said on here... every Trump supporter from his Administration, those lawyers who defended him in the election fraud of 2020, etc. etc.  all have been found guilty of felonies since then.

      When that sinks in with people who can think for themselves... that is more telling than anything Trump alone was accused of.

      Amazingly... everyone that stood up for Trump has been persecuted by our 'Justice' system.

      1. Readmikenow profile image93
        Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        I think biden will be the first dictator to hold the office of president.

        He is the first and only president to convict his political rival of a contrived crime.  Most on the left don't comprehend convicting a person of a federal crime in a state court was unheard of until now. 

        I'm sure most of them don't realize how many aspects of this trial should be overturned on appeal.  Probably not in the state of new york as they've proven to have one of the most, if not the most, corrupt judicial system in the country.

        It certainly will be overturned when it reaches the federal appeal level.

        The entire case was bizarre.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image75
          Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          The entire case, as are all of them in NY, nothing more than Salem Witch Trials... they have their accused witch... whatever it takes to get the verdict and burn him at the stake is what will be done.

          Like stacking a Jury and then instructing them to find Trump guilty, and  who knows what was 'suggested' to them if they didn't.

          America may be the most corrupt Nation on the planet right now... that is saying a lot when you consider what they are competing against.

  30. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    Actually, half of the people that were listed were prosecuted under Trump's own term.  And I'm sure to people that think a fair election is important, like the 57% of Americans who think New York got the verdict right, breaking campaign finance laws to suppress damning information about one-night stands with a porn star and ten-month affairs on his current wife with playboy models needed to be held to account.

    And the lawyers that were found guilty have admitted they lied about the fraud in the 2020 election.  Shoot, one of the main reasons I'm voting for Biden is so I can see that D.C. trial happen and hear the evidence of what Trump illegally tried to do to end the peaceful transfer of power.  The documents case is a slam dunk as well and the only way to get accountability for his crimes there is to vote against Trump.

  31. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    And yet, the right has zero evidence that Joe Biden was directly involved in any Trump prosecution.  That is just their latest invention, like 2020 election fraud.

    Next, Trump was not convicted of a federal crime - that is an outright lie.  Something we wish the MAGA folk here would realize they are doing.  Trump was convicted of the state crime of business fraud.  Now, in New York, when that fraud was done to conceal a second crime, it elevates that state crime to a felony.  Unless the Supreme Court is going to say that kind of statute is unconstitutional, this appeal is dead on arrival.

  32. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    Brian Tyler Cohen and Tim Miller from the Bulwark talk about these very issues and call out the right for their 'wishcasting and bs.'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03aQk4upBmM

  33. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    Oh, yeah, the legal system has no more validity for the MAGA cult.  Nor do elections they lose.  When we say it's a cult of people living in an alternate reality, this is exactly what we mean.  I truly hope these people seek psychiatric help for their delusions.

    1. Readmikenow profile image93
      Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      Hush-money payments are not illegal. But the Manhattan District Attorney's Office alleges that President Donald Trump committed a crime by improperly recording the money with which he reimbursed Cohen as legal expenses. They further accuse him of falsifying the business records to conceal a second crime - a violation of state election law.

      THIS is just one area where the case falls a part.  New York state election law does not apply to national elections.  This is a federal case not a state case.

      Should we ignore the fact that the judge's daughter does fund-raising for democrats including biden and other top democrats? 

      Should we ignore the fact that bragg campaigned telling people he was going to "get" President Donald Tump?

      The entire case is a travesty of the legal system.

      1. Valeant profile image85
        Valeantposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        Yeah, if Trump used his own money, the payments would have been legal.  Running them through his business makes them business fraud.  Even you admit it was a reimbursement, and not for legal fees.  Doing so to hide those reimbursements from voters violates both state and federal campaign laws as it was done, according to three different testimonies, for the campaign.  Adding in tax burdens violates tax laws.  That's why the jury had options, because they did it in service of multiple other crimes.

        If you're going to ignore that Thomas' wife who assisted in tying to overturn the election and that Alito is flying the flags of insurrectionists, while ruling on the case of the top insurrectionist, then yeah, you need to ignore the part about the judge's daughter having a job in politics.  Hypocrisy point number one.

        And when Cohen admitted committing campaign crimes for Trump, a candidate has every right to state that he's going to enforce the law against all people when Trump was named as a co-conspirator in that conviction back in 2018.  Did you also ignore Trump when he, as candidate to be the person in charge of enforcing the laws of our country publicly stated he wanted to lock up his own political opponent in Hillary Clinton?  Or when candidate Trump thinks Biden should be imprisoned?  I bet you ate that up in 2016 and eat it up now.  Hypocrisy point number two.  And it gets so tiring pointing out to MAGA supporters the inconsistencies of their positions, and how they only want things to apply to others and not to their orange-jesus.

        The part that is a travesty to the system is that Trump supporters are publicly defending breaking campaign finance laws, adultery, and fraud.  That is about as unamerican as it gets to stand with the criminals and not the laws of the land.

        1. Readmikenow profile image93
          Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          "if Trump used his own money, the payments would have been legal.  Running them through his business makes them business fraud."

          If it's HIS company, it's HIS money.   

          "Trump when he, as candidate to be the person in charge of enforcing the laws of our country publicly stated he wanted to lock up his own political opponent in Hillary Clinton?"

          Lots of people wanted to lock up hillary clinton.  IF james comey had done his job as director of the FBI, she would have been locked up.  She committed so many crimes with that server it is hard to imagine.  Then she intentionally covered it up.  Many laws were broken by her.  comey never said she was innocent.  He stated she didn't have the "intent" to commit a crime.  Absolutely ridiculous. 

          I believe the travesty is how the legal system has been used by the democrat party for election interference. This case is so off-base and so convoluted it would have never been brought if President Donald Trump was not leading in the polls.

          Now, he is leading even more in the polls and setting records for campaign donations.

          This is going to come back in a big way to hurt the democrat party and it is just beginning.

      2. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        "Should we ignore the fact that the judge's daughter does fund-raising for democrats including biden and other top democrats? "

        What's the difference between  Mrs Alito's flying the flag upside down and an "appeal to heaven" flag, both of which has been seen as part of the maga movement and highly partisan, and the work Merchan's daughter??

        1. Readmikenow profile image93
          Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          I think the big difference is that Mrs. Alito is not working to fund Republican campaigns.  She actually has little or nothing to do with what is happening in the Republican party.

          I believe the issue with Mrs. Alito flying the flag upside down falls under the auspicious of free speech.

          Merchan's daughter is deeply involved in the workings and happenings in the democrat party.  The judge was also very active in democrat politics
          and had an obvious conflict of interest.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

            Flying these  flags implies particular beliefs.  Some say that Mrs. Alito's beliefs may not reflect those of her husband.  But at the same time want me to believe that judge Merchan and his daughter have the same beliefs.  What does her job or particular political beliefs have to do with her father's ability  to fairly preside over a case?   

            Following that line of reasoning, how then is it possible for Justice Alito to fairly hear cases related to the causes that flags flown by his wife represent?

            It seems as if some folks are trying to say that Alito doesn't need to recuse because his beliefs aren't necessarily those of his wife's but Merchan was unethical and should have recused because he and his daughter must share the same belief's. 

            Merchan consulted the states judicial ethics board and  the panel determined "the matter currently before the judge does not involve either the judge's relative or the relative's business, whether directly or indirectly".
             

            Yet it's ok for Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito to accept gifts from billionaire GOP donors?  Donors who later had business before the court?   The flags are sort of the least of it at this point with those two. 

            What politics has judge Merchan been involved in specifically?

            1. Readmikenow profile image93
              Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

              "What does her job or particular political beliefs have to do with her father's ability  to fairly preside over a case?"

              His daughter is making money off of a case that he is trying.  That is known as a conflict of interest.  I know the democrats have no problem with this since they see nothing wrong with hunter biden, but, it is a conflict of interest.   

              "it's ok for Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito to accept gifts from billionaire GOP donors?"

              ALL of the justices accept gifts from billionaire donors.  It is something that is common.

              1. Valeant profile image85
                Valeantposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                'ALL of the justices accept gifts from billionaire donors.  It is something that is common.'

                Another statement that just is not true in any way. 

                Now, if his daughter was trying the case, that would be a conflict of interest.  But he actually got this adjudicated through the ethics board before the trial, and the board found no conflict.  So, we can just chalk this up to another ruling that the MAGA folk just refuse to accept.

                1. Readmikenow profile image93
                  Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  'ALL of the justices accept gifts from billionaire donors.  It is something that is common.'

                  Another statement that just is not true in any way.

                  Really?

                  Supreme Court justices continue to rack up trips on private interest dime

                  Supreme Court justices continue to take trips across the globe on the dime of private individuals and other entities, raising questions about whether those sponsoring the trips could have influence over those serving on the high court.

                  The Supreme Court’s nine justices disclosed taking a combined 64 trips in 2018 in which various aspects such as transportation, food and lodging were reimbursed by others, according to annual financial disclosures released Thursday by the Office of Government Ethics.

                  Since 2004, when OpenSecrets first began tracking Supreme Court financial disclosure data, justices have disclosed taking 1,306 trips reimbursed by others.

                  Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg disclosed taking more trips than any other justice in 2018, totaling 14. She visited Tel Aviv, Israel where she was awarded a lifetime achievement award by the Genesis Prize Foundation. Shortly following the award ceremony, she disclosed being provided transportation, food and lodging as a tourist and guest of billionaire Israeli businessman Morris Kahn.

                  Companies spawned by Kahn have had had business before the Supreme Court before. The high court handed Amdocs Limited a win in November 2017 when it declined to take up a patent-related case.

                  The financial disclosures, which also reveal investments and other sources of income, offer vague information about reimbursements and gifts given to justices. They don’t include any estimated monetary value of the services provided, making it difficult to ascertain how much influence third parties could be garnering.

                  “Once again, the justices took dozens of trips across the country and around the world last year in which a third party paid for their dining, airfare and accommodations, with the public left in the dark about how lavish these trips may have been,” Gabe Roth, executive director of Fix the Court, an organization that aims to bring increased transparency to the Supreme Court, said in a statement on the disclosures.

                  Justice Stephen Breyer disclosed a dozen trips, three of which were supported by the wealthy Chicago-based Pritzker family. Breyer took two trips related to his position on the Pritzker Prize for Architecture jury, which honors architects each year. Breyer has served on the Pritzker jury since 2011 and became chair in 2018. He also disclosed taking a one-week trip to Ireland and Spain as part of the “Pritzker Fly-Around Program,” which paid for his transportation, lodging and meals. Breyer has taken 219 reimbursed trips since 2004, more than any other sitting justice.

                  Justice Samuel Alito disclosed six trips, including trips to Rome, Italy and Zurich, Switzerland for university conferences. Disclosing 13 trips, Justice Sonia Sotomayor traveled to a number of universities for award ceremonies and conferences. Among her seven disclosed trips, Justice Elena Kagan gave a number of speeches at universities.

                  New Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh each disclosed four trips. Gorsuch took a trip to Padua, Italy as part of a George Mason University educational program. He was the only justice to report a gift — a watercolor painting by Appeals Court Judge Terrence O’Brien valued at $1,000. Three of Kavanaugh’s trips were related to Federalist Society events.

                  Clarence Thomas took two paid-for trips, including one to the Texas chapter of the Federalist Society in Fort Worth, Texas. Chief Justice John Roberts also took two trips, during one of which he gave a lecture at the University of Minnesota Law School.

                  https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/0 … -up-trips/

                  The ethics board didn't actually list a ruling. 

                  This is what they said, “may continue to preside in the matter provided the judge believes he/she can be fair and impartial.”

                  They left it up to the judge to determine if he isn't biased. 

                  Fact, the judge presiding over the President Donald Trump's hush money trial made money off of the trial where her father was presiding as a judge.  His daughter's compensation will be directly impacted by the amount of money she raises.  I think she got a good pay check.

                  Dem clients of daughter of NY judge in Trump hush-money trial raised $93M off the case

                  https://nypost.com/2024/03/30/us-news/d … -off-case/

              2. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                "His daughter is making money off of a case that he is trying. "

                His daughter has a job. What does that have to do with his ability to preside over Trump's case?   He's throwing the case so she'd make more money?   I do not understand.

                She works or worked for a firm  that does digital campaign work like online fundraising, mobile messaging and web design. They work with Democratic political candidates...so what?   Trump was headed to trial for fraud regardless of who would preside over the case.  I am fairly certain  her firm was set to make money simply for the fact he was on trial.  Her firm was making money because Trump was indicted and put on trial, not because of the judge. 

                Isn't it commonplace that politicians fundraise off of the trials and tribulations of their opponents? And they often hire firms such as these to make the appeals? Are Republicans not fundraising off of Hunter Biden?

                She's a Democrat and works for a firm that supports campaigns, Mrs Alito has a fondness for highly partisan flags....what's the difference? 

                If the messages behind Mrs. Alito's flags don't represent or impair her husband's judgment in any way then how do the views or actions of Merchan's daughter impair him? 

                Alito's impartiality isn't in question but Merchan:s is??   Alito is to be believed when he says he can be impartial and refuses to recuse on certain cases but judge Merchan is not to be believed and should have recused?  Why?

                1. Readmikenow profile image93
                  Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Neither the NY ethics board or the court addressed the issue of the judge's daughter making money directly off of the case her father is presiding over.

                  Mrs. Alito made no money directly off of a case her husband was presiding over.  It is considered freedom of speech.

                  "Isn't it commonplace that politicians fundraise off of the trials and tribulations of their opponents"

                  Maybe, but it's not common to have a judge's child make money directly from what occurs at a trial where her father is the judge.

                  That is the issue and the real basis for a violation of ethics charge.  That is why merchan should have recused himself. 

                  Not at all surprising it happened in New York.  The corruption of their judicial system has been opened for the world to see.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                    How does the money she makes influence her father? Or the other way around?   It is clear that she would have made that money regardless simply due to the fact that Trump was on trial.   Your argument does not connect the two.  How does his daughter making money through aiding campaigns render her father unable to do his job in an impartial manner?

                    Again, the potential conflict of interest posed by Loren Merchan’s job was already discredited by the judicial ethics committee,

                    So we are to believe that Alito can be impartial because there was no money involved with the flags... We need not have any concern for the symbolism and what those flags stand for?   Someone hoisted and flew those flags over the Alito home knowing full well what they stood for. The appearance of impropriety? You better believe it. I don't need money to be involved. 

                    Let me again ask, if Judge Jackson flew a BLM flag, blamed it on her husband and then refused to recuse in certain cases, you'd be just fine with that? No appearance of impropriety at all?

                  2. Credence2 profile image77
                    Credence2posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Geez, Mike, why make excuses for Alito? if he flew the Nazi flag, would you be so complacent? The man is a Justice of the Highest Court of the land and I expect him to at least present the appearance of impartiality. I accuse the court of being virtually in Trumps back pocket as it is, must they confirm my suspicion? I would know better than to allow citizens to see from across the street that I was not impartial and blatantly taking sides on any issue. I would be  embarrassed, but the sense of propriety is missing in the conservative mindset.  Inter spousal   relationships are no excuse for failure to do your job. This is just another matter among many that I hold against Republicans.

  34. Kathleen Cochran profile image76
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 weeks ago

    Newt Gingrich to Donald Trump - Had enough, America?

  35. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    'If it's HIS company, it's HIS money.'

    Well, you put it in capital letters, so that must make this lie a truth then.  Trying to equate someone's personal bank account to the same requirements that a business has is the latest in ridiculous claims.

    And your deflection away from Trump to Comey is the most cultish thing I've seen today.  Trump, as a candidate for the person charged with overseeing the enforcement of the country's laws, ran a campaign to lock up a political rival.  It is the same thing as what Bragg did and yet you only have a problem with Bragg.  Her guilt or innocence is irrelevant to the point that I raised that both men ran on getting someone.  But you are applying different standards to the two men.

    Next, charging someone for cheating in an election by violating campaign finance laws through fraud is not election interference, it's election preservation.  Only the MAGA cult thinks that that kind of lawlessness should be allowable because they no longer believe in fair elections.  In fair elections they lose.  They are the minority party and their policies suck.  They have to suppress people's ability to vote, especially people of color, and cheat to win.

    As for him leading in the polls, one week out and the polls have already shifted a point in Biden's favor.  The candidates are now even, your own link to 538 bears that out, which you seem to want to ignore to paint a false narrative.  That is something that MAGA relies on, false narratives not born of the actual facts.  Once Trump is sentenced, that should be a second shift as the reality sinks in that Trump broke the law for the purpose of helping his campaign cheat.

  36. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    Revisiting New Jersey for a moment...Trump's endorsed candidate for State Senate won her primary - just kidding, she got trounced by 25 points.  But yeah, tell us again how popular he is in that state.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyuMUX2D67Q

  37. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    That you include speeches where expenses are covered as 'gifts' is the usual shifting of the goalposts.  I would list the paid vacations as gifts, not speeches.

    And this sentence needs a major edit:
    'Fact, the judge presiding over the President Donald Trump's hush money trial made money off of the trial where her father was presiding as a judge.'

    The New York State Advisory Committee on Judicial Ethics found no reason for recusal, the committee wrote in its May 4, 2023, opinion. “They are not parties or likely witnesses in the matter, and none of the parties or counsel before the judge are clients of the business. We see nothing in the inquiry to suggest that the outcome of the case could have any effect on the judge’s relative, the relative’s business, or any of their interests.”

    1. Readmikenow profile image93
      Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      Here is the official opinion.

      https://perma.cc/QUH6-5MGD

      If you read some of the cases the site, they got it wrong.  They didn't address all of the issues.

  38. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    Sure, they did.  Because no ethical board knows more than a MAGA supporter.

  39. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 2 weeks ago

    Looking to the "there's no hate like Christian love" category...

    Colorado Republicans send warm fuzzy message to followers on Pride Month.

    "The Colorado Republican Party rang in the start of Pride month in ultra-fascist fashion, invoking a hateful slur used by the extremist Westboro Baptist Church and calling for people to burn all Pride flags."  Called gay people "godless groomers" for good measure.

    Sorry folks, no other way to say it but.. what a bunch of bigots.

    https://x.com/cologop/status/1797738810509537482

  40. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    The staff at The Bulwark breaking down the GOP response to Trump's conviction.  They do a nice job of laying out what we're seeing here in these forums, that MAGA supporters no longer believe in any U.S. institution that aims to hold Trump accountable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqxLZctIpcU

  41. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    A study of recent history would show that the appeal to heaven flag is currently used by those believing in Christian nationalism.  So, Alito is announcing his support for that cause publicly.

    1. Readmikenow profile image93
      Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      I bet you wouldn't complain if he had a pride flag outside of his house?

      "The Appeal to Heaven flag represents the growing anger of the colonists prior to the American Revolution. No longer were they willing to surrender their freedom to an oppressive English monarch. Instead, they relied on God's power for justice.'

      Christian nationalism is nothing more than believing in the Christian faith and  your country.

      The stuff about these flags is so funny to me.

      I've really enjoyed it.

      The left does have a flare for the dramatic.

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        'I bet you wouldn't complain if he had a pride flag outside of his house?'

        He didn't though, he flew flags that in recent times are associated with maga and far right views.

        And would you complain if Justice Jackson flew a BLM flag?  It's really just a simple yes or no.  Not one conservative on this forum has answered that question.

        1. Readmikenow profile image93
          Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          "associated with maga and far right views"

          I don't agree.  These flags don represent anything like it.

          Does anyone on the left know what flying a flag upside down represents?  It has nothing to do with any movement.  I've explained the Appeal to Heaven flag, which has nothing to do with any movement.  It has a looooong history dating back to colonial times.

          If a chief justice wants to fly a historical flag from colonial times, I have no problem with it.

          1. Credence2 profile image77
            Credence2posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

            Now, I wish someone could tell me why conservatives lie like a rug and think people are so foolish as to be easily misdirected. The conservatives will always quickly scurry back under the floorboards the very moment the lights are turned on. I confess that can't I stand the political Right for reasons like this very circumstance here.

            https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/31/us/appea … index.html

            https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ups … -110722019

            There is more than sufficient evidence that the flags, the U.S upside down and the "Appeal to Heaven" flags are monikers of the rabid right wing here in America. So, you can spare me all the Colonialism, George Washington stuff as we both know that, Mike.

            The Rightwinger is naturally devious, how about answering Willows' hypothetical about Justice Jackson and "the black lives matter" banner and cut to the chase for a change?

          2. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

            Both flags are used by far right groups.  The flags were proudly carried by J6  rioters and currently at every Trump rally.  They have become banners of false stolen elections claims. Am I to believe he flew these flags for historical significance? Why?

            Flying these flags is a clear violation of the courts ethics code. By choosing to display these flags, he has cast doubt on his ability to be impartial.

            Additionally, we have the possibility that he has lied about the incident.

            The neighbor says he is either ‘mistaken’ or ‘outright lying’ about upside-down flag timeline.

            She says the timeline is  documented by a 911 call and police report in February 2021. They show that Martha-Ann Alito was flying the upside-down flag weeks before the neighborhood blow-up.

            "Yeah, we called the cops that day, it was February 15th, and I think the photo of the flag was January 17th,” Baden (the neighbor) said.

            The timing sure does not add up. And the police report blows holes in Alito's statement  that she flew the flag upside-down because she was “greatly distressed at the time due, in large part, to a very nasty neighborhood dispute... The flag flew on January 17th but the altercation did not happen until February 15th.  Obviously, the Alito's had other reasons for raising that flag.

            Again... He has created the appearance of impropriety.  And now it appears Alito’s refuse-to-recuse letter may include false statements. 

            Honestly, he should be impeached and removed from the court.  There is no reason to keep him on the court. In reality, any of them are replaceable.

            I see the continued avoidance of the Justice Jackson question..  would it be okay if she flew a flag that denoted support for a particular political idea, regardless of the flags meaning in history? 

            Historical flags?


            Lots of symbols are used separately in other contexts but are nevertheless clearly associated with specific issues.  For example..

            The swastika is an ancient symbol that was in use in many different cultures for at least 5,000 years before Adolf Hitler made it the centerpiece of the Nazi flag.

            But were someone to raise a swastika flag today?  I think any reasonable person what agree what the context and meaning was related to. 

            Regardless, a Justice of the highest court in the land should not leave the American people with doubt as to why he hoisted those  flags.

            Some may choose to believe he flew the flag for historical reasons but he himself has not even stated that. Others believe it was flown to signify a stolen election.  Therein lies the problem, a problem that Alito has created for himself.  The only solution is to recuse on certain cases or really just replace him with someone who does not feel the need to place the symbols of his views/bias.



            https://hubstatic.com/17060779.jpg

            1. Readmikenow profile image93
              Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

              Well, the obsession of the left knows no boundries when it comes to flags.

              There are those who believe the American flag is a symbol of hatred used by racists.

              "A Black Lives Matter chapter in Utah has called the American flag “a symbol of hatred” — one only used by dumb racists.

              “When we Black Americans see this flag we know the person flying it is not safe to be around,” Black Lives Matter Utah wrote in a July Fourth post alongside an image of the Stars and Stripes"

              https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/blm-chapt … of-hatred/

              Is the American Flag a Symbol of Racism?

              https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … bol-racism

              Weaponizing the American flag as a tool of hate

              https://www.cbsnews.com/news/weaponizin … ey-forman/

              “The American flag has been hijacked as code for a specific belief. God bless those believers, they can have it. Like the Confederate, it is tattered, dated, divisive, and incorrect,” she wrote. “It no longer represents democracy and freedom. It no longer represents ALL of us. It’s not fair to be forced to honor it. It’s time for a new flag.”

              https://deadline.com/2021/06/macy-gray- … 234778330/

              1. Credence2 profile image77
                Credence2posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                All of this might well be true but I have a right to expect adherence to a higher standard from a Supreme Court Justice when compared with behavior by mere protesters from either ideological pole.

                As far as many of US are concerned, the Black Lives Matter flag is not offensive, not when compared with the rags the conservatives cling to.

                1. Readmikenow profile image93
                  Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "adherence to a higher standard from a Supreme Court Justice"

                  This is why I and many people on the right can't take those on the left too serious.  EVERYTHING is racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc.  Even the American flag.

                  IF the Supreme Court Justice flew an American flag outside their home, as has been demonstrated, they would be considered racist by those on the left.

                  So, like the old adage goes for those on the left, "what have you been offended by today?"

                  The American flag?  I'm sure that is just one of many things.

                  The left is so ridiculous.

                  1. Credence2 profile image77
                    Credence2posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                    "IF the Supreme Court Justice flew an American flag outside their home, as has been demonstrated, they would be considered racist by those on the left."

                    Mike, millions of people fly the American flag at their residences. What you say is simply not true and you are just careening in all directions with your reasoning.

                    The American flag is neutral and you are exaggerating.

                    So don't go simple on me, Mike, this idea of the left being offended by EVERYTHING is just a figment of the Reichwingers' imagination.

              2. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                Clearly, as you have illustrated, people view the symbolism and meaning  various flags in different ways.  Exactly the reason that SCOTUS should follow their code of ethics and avoid even the appearance of impropriety or bias with the flying of certain flags.  It really is very simple, then the American people will not have to question the reason or the motivation of flying particular flags. 

                https://hubstatic.com/17060880.jpg

                Can we all just take a minute to acknowledge one of the statements made by Alito in relation to his wife..

                "She makes her own decisions, and I honor her right to do so," he wrote in a letter to members of Congress.

                How absolutely rich!

                1. Readmikenow profile image93
                  Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  It doesn't matter the flag.  The left would be upset if Alito had an American flag outside of his house.

                  Yeah, his wife does have her rights as an American citizen to freedom of expression.

                  You may want to look at some of the activities of Ruth Bader Ginsburg outside the court.  There is no way she was impartial or objective when it came to abortion or other issues.  She talked about her opinion to the media and more.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Yes it's a shame that it has taken this long for the court to adopt a code of ethics.  Sadly, as meager as the code is, Alito has broken it.

                  2. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                    "It doesn't matter the flag.  The left would be upset if Alito had an American flag outside of his house."

                    But it does matter.  He chose the flag flown by these neo-nazis.  Of course reasonable people will question this


                    https://hubstatic.com/17061083.png

                2. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  And yet, if Alito had indicated he had the right and the power to force his wife to remove her flag you would immediately take him to task for such a sexist statement.  You leave him with no "right" action, in an event he is blamed for but did not cause.

      2. wilderness profile image94
        wildernessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

        The dramatic, yes, and for outright lies as well as they both insinuate and flat out say that Alite flew the flag.  Even though they know better, they still say it.

        1. Valeant profile image85
          Valeantposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          Maybe sit this one out if you cannot even get the spelling right on the man's name.

  42. Ken Burgess profile image75
    Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks ago

    A good show on where we are today regarding Trump/2024-Election
    Tom Fitton: Biden’s Crimes, Trump Verdict, & Disgraced Former Protectees Act
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuuCbmtAzTo

  43. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 2 weeks ago

    Pretty much the case we've been laying out:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/worse-inflat … 32271.html

  44. Eileen Hughes profile image63
    Eileen Hughesposted 2 weeks ago

    I just cannot understand how anyone could realistically vote for Trump. He acts and talks like a complete idiot. I read once that he would disown his son if he joined the military. Yet he went and laid military wreaths seems odd if he does not believe in the military.

  45. Ken Burgess profile image75
    Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks ago

    Here is a harsh truth for Biden supporters...

    If you believe in those pursuits and ideals his Administration represents...

    Or if you are a believer in the American Hegemony...

    Or if you believe we are spreading Democracy...

    No President has done those efforts or America more harm.

    Alienating Saudi Arabia and driving them away into BRICs arms, the economic and geopolitical pain that is going to cause will be crippling.

    Pushing Russia into China's arms with the Ukraine war, while at the same time saber rattling at China.

    Opening up the floodgates for Iran to get hundreds of billions, has worked so well to stabilize the Middle East.

    The Biden Administration has been a wrecking ball to the international and security interests of America... trumping the damage he has done to the Domestic foundations of our society.

  46. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 13 days ago

    Why many won't vote for Trump?

    As Biden visits Aisne-Marne American Cemetery today, the burial place for 1,800 U.S. Marines, we remember Trump calling the fallen “suckers” and “losers” He refused to honor them with a visit in 2018 because it had been raining.

    He told his then-chief of staff John Kelly: “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” Later on the same trip, he called service members who died for their country “suckers.”

    Kelly  went to the cemetery in Trump’s place. Photos from the visit show no rain falling as he walked amid the gravestones.  Trump stayed indoors and tweeted all afternoon. 

    Kelly last year publicly stated that the Trump quotes were accurate.  I absolutely believe him. In my opinion, Trump is a sociopath lacking empathy.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image75
      Ken Burgessposted 13 days agoin reply to this

      Funny... I make a post regarding a variety of things Biden has done to damage our country's future, economically and internationally...

      You make a post about how nasty someone said Trump is...

      Its OK if you destroy the Nation and bankrupt its economy, so long as you don't tweet mean things I guess.

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 13 days agoin reply to this

        Character matters.  In my opinion, Trump is a vile person who has no actual business, economic or organizational acumen.  He is not trustworthy, he cannot communicate clearly and  is not decisive. He has no integrity and has the qualities of a sociopath who idolizes despots.

        Many economists agree, our recovery from the pandemic under Biden leads the world.  Forecasts of recession and unemployment have not come to pass as many promised. 

        In fact our economy has defied normal textbook behavior.  The basic notion that in order to slow inflation we'd have to suffer a protracted period of substantial unemployment.. we just haven't had that. Thank God he won the 2020 election.

        Trump did nothing to help the American economy. In fact, he tried his best to hurt it, with tax cuts for the wealthy and a ridiculous trade war.  He rode the wave of what Obama had created until the pandemic came and he completely botched the response, showing us he did not have what it takes to lead our country.

        In terms of Biden, I don't buy the fear mongering that is almost always based on misinformation and disinformation from questionable sources.  Destruction and bankruptcy of the nation? I see that more of a possibility with some of Trump's promises of what he will do if elected.  Particularly deportation of 10 to 20 million people. Very simply put, he's not an intelligent man.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image75
          Ken Burgessposted 13 days agoin reply to this

          Well lets take a look at some basic topics...

          Trump had Immigration down... Biden has broken records bringing them in.

          Trump did not start any new wars... Biden has our entire system in jeopardy, that we are in a World War because of his Administration's actions is no longer in doubt, how many other nations are going to get dragged in, and to what degree the world is going to be destroyed remains to be seen.

          At home we have plenty of inflation and rising interest rates... that impacts jobs and businesses... the efforts to "fix" it and "recover" from the Pandemic are useless when this Administration continues to spend a trillion dollars more every 100 days than it brings in... that's called increasing the debt... which has an increasingly higher interest rate on it.

          The destruction of the Nation state so that they can bring about their New World Order... Agenda 2030 BS is only going to destroy US... it isn't going to make the world a better place... its isn't going to stop Russia or China... they have no intention of going along with the gameplan.

          Russia is not going to stand by and allow America/NATO to cut it off from the Black Sea... China is not going to allow America to maintain its dominance in the China Sea (East or South) and we do not have in the Biden Administration the leadership that knows how to negotiate and build a better world.

          The only thing the Biden Administration has shown itself capable of is sowing divide... within the country and internationally... its the worst Administration America has had in living memory and its not even close.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 12 days agoin reply to this

            As Valeant has stated, Trump's effect or impact on immigration was more perception than reality.  I can give him this, for all its efforts, his administration’s "success" was actually reducing the number of legal immigrants admitted to the country. 

            The overall number of admissions, both on a permanent and temporary basis, declined only somewhat during most of the Trump years, remaining largely in line with broader trends of Obama's administration. . This did change with the  pandemic, which brought about a dramatic reduction in immigration...as Trump would say,  unlike anything seen in years.

            Without the public-health crisis, it seems unlikely that immigrant and nonimmigrant visa issuance numbers would have fallen this low.

            In my opinion, the reality is that Trump did not accomplish much on immigration.  Legal arrivals declined during his administration while illegal entries remained steady and he left behind a ton of unresolved asylum cases.

            1. wilderness profile image94
              wildernessposted 12 days agoin reply to this

              One must wonder...did illegals stop coming because they were afraid of COVID (either at home, on the trip of in the US) or did they stop coming because Trump scared America into stopping the influx of possible COVID carriers?

              One cannot deny that there is a correlation between numbers entering and the advent of COVID.  The causality end of the equation, though - that is debatable.  Did the numbers fall because COVID made it possible to overcome resistance to stopping the influx or because the influx slowed because the illegals were afraid?  Personally, I would put it at the first possibility; "immigrants" wanting to be where it was safe, and care given, would want to come in, not stay home.

              1. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 12 days agoin reply to this

                The pandemic was responsible for a near-complete halt to all forms of global mobility in 2020, largely due to a combination of border restrictions imposed by countries around the world, lockdowns, and the shutdown of aviation and other transportation routes.  Trump was also able to use title 42.

                Southern border apprehensions did reach a pandemic low in April 2020 and then they rose every month after that. By the actual end of Trump’s presidency, apprehensions of immigrants attempting to cross illegally had risen to 71,141 in December 2020 and to 75,316 in January 2021, Trump’s last month in office.

                In reality, apprehensions at the border in Trump’s final two months in office were substantially higher than  Obama’s last two months in office. (Apprehensions were 43,251 in December 2016 and 31,576 in January 2017, the last two months of the Obama presidency, compared with 71,141 and 75,316 in Trump’s last two months.)

                illegal border crossings, as measured by apprehensions at the southwest border, were 14.7% higher in Trump’s final year in office compared with the last full year of Obama’s term.

                Given that, had Obama “fixed” the border? Not according to Trump in 2016. Then, he repeatedly called the border “broken” and made fixing it his primary campaign promise. 

                Did immigration numbers continue on that trend of ticking up as Biden took office? Yes. They did, for numerous reasons.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image75
                  Ken Burgessposted 12 days agoin reply to this

                  Once it became apparent to Mexico (and all others) that Trump lost and Open-Borders Biden was in, the effort to slow/halt illegal migration pretty much evaporated.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 12 days agoin reply to this

                    Immigration policy didn't change though when Biden took office

                2. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 12 days agoin reply to this

                  Illegal crossings slowed greatly during the first few months of Trump's tenure...because he openly said he would stop and deport anyone.  When that did not prove feasible guess what?  Up they went again.

                  Biden, on the other hand, has few "apprehensions"...because anyone that wants in is considered legal to enter.  Illegal entries look great when it is not illegal, don't they? 

                  You talk about "apprehensions" - why not talk about total crossings by non citizens?  I believe you will find that it several times what Trump had.  Biden plays a fine game (making it all legal) but it only works for those that don't question, don't look and don't investigate.  Or don't care, perhaps wanting unlimited immigration themselves - God knows we have enough of that, with people actively aiding those that cross illegally.

              2. Ken Burgess profile image75
                Ken Burgessposted 12 days agoin reply to this

                The assessment made by Willow was incorrect.

                The reason why there was an extreme cut back in migration was only partly because of the Pandemic.

                The agreements Trump put in place with Mexico to stop the flow of migration at Mexico's Southern Border and to hold migrants in Mexico south of the American border are the primary reasons for the success that was beginning to show.

                Those efforts were reversed or ended day 1 of the Biden Administration.

                It was only later that Biden also rescinded the restrictions due to the Pandemic... they work hard to convince Americans today that the only success Trump had was because of the Pandemic.

            2. Ken Burgess profile image75
              Ken Burgessposted 12 days agoin reply to this

              What we have is a moment in our Nation were a decision is going to be made regarding our fate and direction as a nation.

              We have come full circle to 2020/2024 from 1960/1963.

              We had a power struggle within our country then... JFK, RFK, MLK all that they and many others represented lost...

              The Establishment won.  You can choose to determine what the Establishment means... an out-of-control CIA/FBI/NSA/Pentagon?

              Or a Political Machine today that is beholden to Corporations more powerful than most Nations, not the People.  Or a dangerous combination of the two.

              On an aside, 79% of the most powerful/wealthy entities in the world today are not Nations, they are Corporations.

              In 2016... for the first time since 1960... the Establishment lost.

              Everything that has come since then, regarding Trump, and the many efforts to sideline his Administration, Impeach him, and post 2020 destroy him, his reputation, his wealth, health, freedom... is little more than the Establishment trying to maintain its control and power.

              We can see some of the goals the Establishment is moving us toward... and none of them are good for Americans.

              War with Russia is not good for Americans.

              Open Borders are not good for Americans... these are people that will compete for jobs and social benefits.  Too many of these people are young men who will escalate crime and will have no regards for our laws.

              Open Borders are good for Corporations, some of them, and they are good for people who believe in ushering in a new system and dissolving what America had stood for its first couple of hundred years.

              Alienating Saudi Arabia to the point where they go and join BRICS... agitating the UAE so much they will no longer trade oil in the Dollar... they too joined BRICS.

              Then there is the insanity at home... Transgenders now a protected minority by Executive Order... and why was that?  Why did we need to allow men to compete with women in women's sports? 

              This Administration has been bad news since day one...

              I am sure all the "expert" opinions you read will explain to you how its all Trumps fault... how he really did nothing at the Border, or that he tried to get us in wars, and that Biden is the best... but its all propaganda, from a Establishment that is losing control across the globe and here at home.

              That makes the Establishment willing to lie, cheat, kill, steal, and do the worst evils imaginable to remain in control... this is what you see occurring today.

              They are not saving Democracy... or America... they are putting it, and all Americans, at grave risk.

  47. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 13 days ago

    These lies we see get tiresome.

    Trump did not have immigration 'down.'  Immigration increased in each of his years until the pandemic, and the pandemic brought it down.

    Biden has not started any new wars either and like the fearmongering on the economy, the threat of a world war is just that, a threat.

    Last I knew, congress controls the purse strings.  So, to say the Biden administration is spending all the money is just more partisan blame games.  And remind us who has been in control of the house of reps for the last two years and needed to approve budgets?  Never mind, that would be too painful for any MAGA supporter to admit.

    As for the worst administration, it's clear that it was Trump's.  One major piece of legislation, that ended up piling massive debt onto the country.  Biden got five passed in the first two years of his administration and including ways to pay for those pieces of legislation.

    The infatuation with this agenda 2030 stuff is really worthy of a shrink.

  48. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 12 days ago

    Drugs, dementia or both? 

    A train wreck of a Trump rally in Nevada.  While Biden was honoring fallen soldiers, Trump blathered on about being electrocuted by a sinking boat with a battery onboard.  Fun fact, boats have batteries!  He still doesn't understand batteries?  Yet I'm to feel confident with him leading the country?  Nah.


    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1799894705288761412

  49. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 12 days ago

    This incoherent rambling is another reason why people understand that you cannot vote for a complete moron:

    “So I said, ‘Let me ask you a question,’” Trump told the crowd. “And he said, ‘Nobody ever asked this question.’ And it must be because of MIT. My relationship to MIT. Very smart. He goes. I say, “What would happen if the boat sank from its weight? And you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there.”

    Then, a quick sidenote: “By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. You notice that? A lot of shark. I watch some guys justifying it today. ‘Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were—they were not hungry, but they misunderstood what-who she was.’ These people are crazy.”

  50. Valeant profile image85
    Valeantposted 12 days ago

    Live look at the latest Trump rally...
    https://hubstatic.com/17064601.jpg

    1. Credence2 profile image77
      Credence2posted 11 days agoin reply to this

      Love it, Valeant.... after living in Montana around farms there i learned that there is hardly anything dumber on 4 legs than sheep.

 
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