Why won't some Americans realize that Trump is LOSING & Clinton is WINNING which

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   gmwilliamsposted 8 years ago

   Why won't some Americans realize that Trump is LOSING & Clinton is WINNING which is evident
   
   by Republicans endorsing  Clinton by leaps & bounds- one of the Bush daughters, Barbara is endorsing Clinton for President?   Trump doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the presidential race; however, many are rooting for Trump. Don't they see that Clinton WILL BE president as evidenced by the polls & key & prominent Republicans endorsing her.  Why do some people HATE Clinton so much?
   
   

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   Shyron E Shenkoposted 8 years ago

   Some, in fact a lot of people consider it like a sporting event.  The men who can't stand the fact that Hillary could possible win in a sporting event, the chauvinistic men who condone what trump says and does.
   As far as trump not having a chance in hell of winning.  That is what I thought about bush in 2000. 
   Worse by far are the Apathetic voters who will say "Clinton has the campaign in the bag, and does not need my vote." these unpatriotic voters? Stay at home and allows the alt-right to win.
   Thank you Marguerite for asking this question.

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      Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Shyron ~ Trump Can't LEGALLY Hold the Presidency however, Democrats, Indies & Republicans "MUST TURN Out the VOTE" for Hillary in NOVEMBER to ENSURE his LOSS & also to send a MESSAGE that another Disgrace of his KIND will NEVER be Tolerated A

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Bush won in 2000 for 3 reasons.
      1. Gore lost his own state of TN.
      (Bill Clinton won that state twice.)
      Anyone who can't win their own state after being a congressman/senator doesn't deserve to win!
      2. He refused help from Bill.
      3. Ralph Nader

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yup. Voting indie helped elect bush. Third parties usually helps elect who you dont want!

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   dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Sometimes when people become overly emotionally invested in an outcome they tend to shut their eyes and ears from all dissenting evidence of the contrary. It keeps them from seeing the big picture.
   Just because someone "hates" Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump doesn't mean there's not support for them.
   Not every poll has an "agenda". Numbers are numbers.
   Who can forget Karl Rove refusing to admit Romney lost Ohio.
   A presidential election is usually decided by swing states and independents. Rarely do traditional blue and red states swap due to the nominee.
   California has 55 electoral votes 20.4 percent of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the general election. New York has 29 electoral votes, 10.7 percent of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the general election.
   Essentially those two states alone which are considered (blue) add up to 31% of the votes needed for Hillary to win. Illinois has another 20 electoral votes which is 7.4% of votes needed. All three of those states are going to be Democrat. Pennsylvania has 20 electoral votes another 7.4% of votes. Although it's considered a "swing state" Clinton has a 10pt lead with 35 days to go until the election. (That's 124 electoral votes with just 4 states).
   That's before you do comparisons of how Mitt Romney did in 2012 by other demographics such as race, education, gender.
   Romney got 27% of the Latino vote in 2012 (and lost the election).
   Trump is presently tracking at 19% Latino vote. Romney got 26% of Asian vote while Trump is tracking at 23%. In just about every category Trump is doing worse than Romney in just about every demographic.
   Unless there is some major "October Surprise", Economic meltdown, or major terrorist attack between now and November 8th it's going to be nearly impossible for Trump to close the gap.
   All he had to say about the Miss Universe issue was: "I made a mistake in judgment trying to use negative remarks to motivate change. I should have never done that and for that I apologize."
   Trumps best chance is to stick to talking points; the economy, creating jobs, bad trade deals, and protecting the country against terrorist. However early morning tweets advising the country to look for a sex tape, claiming he's smart for not paying federal taxes or attacking Hillary because of being married to a cheater while everyone knows his own history with Marla Maples is crazy.
   Trump's ego will cause him to shoot himself in the foot.

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      Greensleeves Hubsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Perceptive and relevant analysis of the likely outcome and the reasons for that outcome. As someone who fervently hopes Trump does not win in November, you've enabled me to breathe just a little bit easier!

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, how wrong was that dream.

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   blueheronposted 8 years ago

   Is there really anyone who is not displeased with the policies of the past eight years? Are blacks better off? Or women? Have the wars in the ME been wound down? Has the economy improved? How's Obamacare doing? How do you feel about ongoing banker bailouts? TPP? Are you ready to go to war with Russia? But, hey, I guess some people enjoy having their blood sucked from their lifeless bodies and want more of the same. But I suspect such people are a minority.

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      promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Things are terrible. Unemployment has declined from nearly 10% to almost 4%. We have pulled out of 2 trillion dollar wars chasing phantom WMDs. The S&P 500 has skyrocketed 126%. Bin Laden is dead. Blacks have their 1st president. It's really bad!

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      blueheronposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You should seek accurate analyses of the state of the economy, the impoverishment of the average American, the rout of small businesses, and the disappearance of the middle class. Obama has expanded the wars in the ME and increased war expenditures.

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      Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Indeed it is bad Scott, we are supporting millions more on welfare, have millions more immigrants competing for jobs/support, companies are fleeing the country, taxes continue to rise, healthcare costs rise, salaries are down, 95 million out of work.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Trump won

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   Marisa Wrightposted 8 years ago

   The concern some have is that if they cote for Trump, they won't get more of the same - they'll get something much worse!

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      blueheronposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Could you give an example of how Trump could do worse?

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      promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Anyone who asks a national security expert, "What's wrong with using nukes?", is someone who could do much worse.
      
      http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-as … ports.html

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      Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      We don't know, because he has avoided giving any concrete information on what he plans to do - and even if he had, he's shown he's willing to tell any lies necessary to gain power. So I believe he will break all promises as soon as he's got power.

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      blueheronposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      @ Scott Bateman: You link says Trump asked this, "citing an unnamed source who claimed he had spoken with the GOP presidential nominee." Most such allegations are someone "citing an unnamed source who claimed he had spoken with..."

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   peter565posted 8 years ago

   Because some Americans might simply not care enough to vote. So even if they support Hilary...might not support her enough to be bother to vote

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   Ken Burgessposted 8 years ago

   I am not emotionally vested in either party.
   
   But the math is simple, Hillary is not popular, she is less popular than Trump, who isn't overly popular either.
   
   You have your 25% of voters who are hardcore left and who think the Republicans are horrible evil beings.
   
   And you have your 25% of voters who are conservative right and who wouldn't vote for Hillary under any circumstances.
   
   Then you have the 50% that is in the middle.  They typically shift one way or the other depending on a lot of factors, they actually weigh the issues and the candidates and make the decision along the way.
   
   But this year, a good percentage, a majority of that 50% is fed up.  Fed up with Washington, politicians, Obamacare and all the other BS, they know that the politicians are in the back pockets of Wall St. the Banks, mega-corporations, everyone BUT the American people.
   
   And those people are voting anti-establishment, anti-politics as normal. Period.  And Trump is their messenger.
   
   So there is NO WAY Hillary is winning the popular vote, I know its the media's job to convince you that she is, and they will show poll after poll that says she is (what they fail to tell you is those polls are based on 700 people, 2/3rds of which are registered Democrats to get it) they will write negative story after negative story against Trump.
   
   But it just won't matter.  The popular vote will be won by Trump.  Now they may flood the ballots with false votes, they may program the voting computers to turn Trump votes into Clinton votes every other one he gets... but without corruption and fraud impacting these elections, Trump will get 51% or more of the votes.
   
   This is just a continuation of what we saw in 2010, and again in 2014, even people who haven't voted in years, in a lifetime even, are coming out for Trump... it is why he won the Republican nomination with more votes than any other candidate in history, despite the GOP's efforts to deny it to him, despite their backroom deals in some states to hand the win to Cruz before it was evident he had no chance.
   
   That doesn't mean they won't hand the election to Clinton, I expect that they will, they will employ enough fraud and false voting throughout key states to get her the win... the Electoral College will award her the win even if Trump has the majority of votes, because she represents the Establishment's choice... Trump is the people's big FU to Washington, and they will never let that stand.

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      blueheronposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I completely agree. Well said.

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "So there is NO WAY Hillary is winning the popular vote."
      However Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and George W. Bush became president.
      What many people fail to realize is it's the 270 Electoral college state votes that determine who wins.

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      Greensleeves Hubsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The first part of your comment worried me, as it seemed to make an objectively valid case for a Trump victory, but when you started talking in conspiratorial terms about vote rigging in favour of the Democrats, I knew I could dismiss it.

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      promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I would be a lot happier with an FU to the ruling class if the choice wasn't a mentally unstable sociopath.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The thing that frightens me is that people are voting for Trump to give a big FU to Washington, but they're forgetting that they're going to be stuck with the guy as President afterwards. And no one is looking at what his character is really like.

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      promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree, Marisa. They may want to solve one problem, but they will replace it with a much bigger one.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Really, getting stuck, we already got stuck with Obama and Hillary is an even worse Obama. What are you people thinking. Hillary has NO Accomplishments and she has failed at everything but selling the US to the highest bidder.

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      Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Greensleeves not conspiracy theory, just fact.  Just like the Democrat Party worked behind the scenes to ensure Hillary beat Sanders, the entire establishment, from the Media to Washington D.C. and most of all the Electoral College will ensure it.

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      The Old Guardposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ken, good stuff.
      It will certainly be interesting in Nov.
      I personally was so disgusted, I refuse to participate.
      I left the U.S. 2 yrs ago. I figure the U.S. is doomed.
      2007/08 will be a minor blip to what's coming down the pike.
      Ugly ugly ugly

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       Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Scott, if Trump were not someone they felt they could use to get all the angry-at-Washington voters behind, and then destroy/disgrace him in the media (as they are now) and hand the election to the establishment favorite, he would've never made far

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   Right now, they are 41 to 41 in polls with 10-20% either saying they are undecided or third party. That isn't "Trump is losing", that is a dead tie with a lot of margin to go either way.
   And given that even Scott Adams of Dilbert fame can be shadowbanned on Twitter and have speaking engagements cancelled after endorsing Trump, there are millions of people who likely support Trump but have justifiable fears for their jobs and safety if they ADMIT they support Trump.

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent point!
      Whomever loses is going to have millions of people who voted for them. However individual polling and electoral college map are two different things. A winner of a state gets all of that's states electoral votes. 270 needed.

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Back in 2000 Al Gore had more popular votes than George W. Bush.

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years ago

   Clinton and both Bush president were a disgrace, and they were made to look better when compared with Barack Obama, so 28 years of bad presidents should not be made into 32 years by making Clinton president.
   
   In the last 28 years the US has declined and hit bottom in 2008, and it has limped along since then. The economy is still very fragile and once again the campaigning by all the politicians and both parties has once again taken precedence over running the country.
   
   How would a Clinton Kaine win be beneficial to the US and the people. It wouldn't be any better than Obama Biden, but it could be a lot worse.
   
   Clinton has NO accomplishments and has a history of failures. Is that really who you want as president? Why?

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The question isn't so much about who you (want) to win.
      Which candidate do you believe will get the 270 Electoral votes to win? Do you really (believe) Trump (will) win?
      Some folks believe with emotion/desire instead of data & states history.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Of course I do. Obama is failing and flailing, and Hillary is the clone of Obama.
      All of the democrat party has failed the US and the people, and it is only the media, which is favoring Clinton that makes it look like she is winning.

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    The Old Guardposted 8 years ago

    Trump by a landslide in November.
    The average American is sick of Obama as a wimp of a President, disgusted with the ruling elite like Hillary.
    Americans do realize and are disgusted with the fringe elements taking over America -political correctness needs to be put on a rocket and sent into space.
    As Trump has said numerous times, paid off politicians are doing the dirty deeds for the bankers and mega - corporations. Giving them free reign to steal the wealth of America.
    Time is of the essence to change the socialistic road that America is on.
    Back to the days of less regulation, more freedoms for the citizens of the country and an end to the prostitution of politics as usual that Hillary endorses.
    If Hillary does win, it is the end of America as we know it.
    She will continue on the road of destroying America that Obama has paved so well.
    If you love America, vote Trump.
    If you despise capitalism, hate the freedoms that you have, vote Hillary. The ball and chain attached to your legs will be more secure if you elect Hillary.
    Cheers

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       Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Trump may eek out a win with the popular vote, many people have turned on the media as they have Washington... there is no trust there.
       But it doesn't matter what the vote is, this election will be handed to Hillary by the Electoral College.

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    wba108@yahoo.composted 8 years ago

    Polling can be vary off at times even modern polling and especially in unprecedented circumstances like this election in November. You have two highly unlikable candidates in a very emotional election cycle.
    
    I would contend that although the combined polling averages are most likely accurate, there still is good reason to believe even these averages could be inaccurate for a number of reasons.
    
    1) the underlying historical trends favor Republicans in this election cycle. Its difficult for any party to remain in power for 3 consecutive terms. Also the favorability ratings for the incumbent party isn't very high and the economy isn't very good.
    
    2) the vast majority of polling agencies are liberal leaning and are likely to realize the high stakes in this election and that its a tough year for Democrats to retain the White House. Therefore the temptation to either rationalize poor sampling mythologies or use polling to influence opinion is higher than usual.
    
    3) Because the emotionalism and negatives surrounding both candidates its markedly more difficult to avoid poll sampling errors because there likely different factors in play this election cycle.

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