Biden Promise To Veto Bill To Protection of Women and Girls in Sports

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Sharlee01posted 17 months ago

"Riley Gaines, a former All-American swimmer from the University of Kentucky, didn't hold back when reacting to President Biden's promise to veto a bill that would prevent biological males from participating in women's sports.

Speaking with Fox News Digital on Monday just hours after the White House released a statement slamming the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act, or H.R. 734, Gaines said Biden's veto promise was evidence he was putting a "radical minority" ahead of women across the country.

"The President has declared that science, truth, and common sense no longer matter. In opposing this bill, President Biden is catering to a radical minority at the expense of women, who are 51% of the population," Gaines said.

"Equal opportunity, privacy, and safety in our sports shouldn’t be controversial. The women who once advocated for Title IX should be outraged as this goes against everything they fought for. Female athletes of all ages, levels, and sports deserve better," she added.

H.R. 734 has not yet been passed by Congress but is expected to come to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives sometime this week.

In a statement, the White House said it "strongly opposes" the bill on the grounds that it would "deny access to sports for many families by establishing an absolute ban on transgender students."

It went on to call the bill "discriminatory," claimed such a law was "unnecessary," and that it "hurts families and students."

As part of the bill, educational institutions that receive Title IX funding from the federal government would not be allowed to "permit a person whose sex is male to participate in an athletic program or activity that is designed for women or girls."

The bill says that the sex of an athlete would be recognized only by their "reproductive biology and genetics at birth." The legislation would allow transgender female athletes to train or practice in a girls’ athletic program, but only if no biological female athlete is deprived of a roster spot.

Democrats have made it clear that most or all of them will oppose the bill on the floor. The House Education and Workforce Committee approved the legislation in a 25-17 vote — every Republican voted for it, and only Democrats voted against it.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/riley- … l-minority

One question --- Why have women's sports at all if men can compete?

Bears repeating -- "The President has declared that science, truth, and common sense no longer matter. In opposing this bill, President Biden is catering to a radical minority at the expense of women, who are 51% of the population,"

Twitter views
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1648372089936658444

My view in one word --- sickening.
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I have to admit, women have particularly tough choices these days when deciding who to vote for.
  
  One the one hand, the worst thing politically that ever happened to the Republicans in the last 20 years was the reversal of Roe vs Wade.
  
  Regardless of where you stand on the abortion argument, it marshalled many women against Republicans for that alone.
  
  On the other hand, Democrats and Biden are pushing pretty drastic change of their own with EO after EO:
  
  Executive Order on Advancing Equality for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Individuals
  
  Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation
  
  Executive Order On Advancing Racial Equity and Support for Underserved Communities [see the above EOs] Through the Federal Government
  
  Executive Order on Further Advancing Racial Equity and Support for Underserved Communities Through the Federal Government [because the first one wasn't enough]
  
  Unfortunately these EOs are flying under the radar, many do not know the impact these and other EOs will have down the road... IMO it essentially puts the biggest minority at the top of the list... a new system based not on merit or ability, but on how many boxes you can check
  
  [ ] Non-Male
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  --- [ ] Identify as Non-Binary
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  --- [ ] Foreign Born
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  If you did not check two or more boxes above, you may not apply for this position at this time. You will not be considered for a promotion, etc.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  That's an easy choice...give LGBTQ folks the same rights as the rest of us or force women to carry a non viable fetus to term? NO BRAINER
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I see your point, Ken, that is why it is important to vote this bunch out. However, that might not happen, I mean it is easy to see much of common sense has been tossed out the window. Hey, we get what we ask for, do we not?
  
  I am so sick of hearing about Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation. I am tolerant, and my feelings are live and let live. My religion comes into play when it comes to sexual orientation/ homosexuality.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  "I am so sick of hearing about Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation "
  
  Seem to be the main platform of the GOP. They push it continually. That and accomplishing a nationwide abortion ban. Oh and committees. No real ideas. Out of touch with what Americans find important.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I very straightforwardly shared my view --- I don't have anything to add. I certainly have no interest to discuss abortion on this thread.
  
  Again --- I am so sick of hearing about Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation. I am tolerant, and my feelings are live and let live. My religion comes into play when it comes to sexual orientation/ homosexuality.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Live and let live would be a great mantra for Republicans about now. Who aren't they trying to persecute these days?
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  As I said my religious values keep me out of discussing this subject, as a rule. I respect all human beings period. I speak as an individual.
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  My religious beliefs come to mind also. They tell me God loves everyone - and I should too.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Yes, and I respect your view/sentiment. However, in the case of changing gender, and homosexuality I have very strong feelings due to my religious teachings. I feel I really have no right to discuss the issue -- due to respect that many feel very differently than I do. I don't think it fair or kind for me to in any respect push my views on this subject. I have no need to make an attempt to push my religious beliefs on others
  
  I too feel everyone is worthy of love, and being treated with respect and kindness. That's one reason I don't push my religious views on others. I have no right to...
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Miebakagh57posted 17 months ago
This can be general.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  It seems as if women will back away from competitive sports due to men being able to compete. It appears women are losing ground in their fight for equality. I mean now they could lose the right to compete against women only. Oh well, times are changing. Some of us are being disregarded, in this case, in my view, that would be women.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Q. Does a male have physical advantages over a female?
  
  A. Yes
  B. No
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I would think some would. Yes.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Yes. This is the truth of the matter. It is nature.
  
  The males who practice to compete develop more strength than a female.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  What are you even talking about? The 5th grade soccer team? The NCAA already has their own rules governing trans individuals. What do you think you're adding ? If abortion can be kicked back to the states than this should be also.
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  Miebakagh57posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Exactly true.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Yes, once they meet puberty.
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  Miebakagh57posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I've seen a female biological wretler wrest with a male counterpart. In the basic sport events, biological male swimmers compete with fellow males, and not with male-females. Yes, and oddly, a friendly football match between civil Commissions male and females, have I seen, some 40 years ago, in my country. But not nowadays. Generally, it's not fair that trans-gender female males competed with the biological females.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Do you Agree or disagree?
Women should have the right to compete against women only.

A. Yes
B. No
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Yes I agree
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Yes, I agree they should have that right,
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Do you agree or disagree?
Trans-people should have the right to compete with transpeople only.

A. Yes
B. No
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  That would be ideal...
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Why?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The word "ideal" provides the answer.
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  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  No - ideal with be that males compete with males and females with females. Without denying what they are or trying to pretend they are what they are not.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Do you agree or disagree?
  Trans-people should have the right to compete with transpeople only.
  
  A. Yes
  B. No
  
  Sharlee chose:
  A. Yes,
  "Transpeople competing with transpeople would be the ideal."
  Do you agree?
  
  After all, we cannot deny their existence at this point.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Positively agree...
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Do you agree or disagree?
Men should have the right to compete with men only.
A. Yes
B. No
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Sounds right o me.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Me too.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Trans-people who have half-way transitioned should have the right to compete with any group of persons which has half-way transitioned.

A. Yes
B. No

Trans-people who have fully transitioned should have the right to compete with any group of persons which has fully transitioned.

A. Yes
B. No.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Too confusing for me --- LOL
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Someone just commented that there are very few of these people in the population ... but they are being encouraged here, there and everywhere!
  Eventually, there very well may be a situation where you could have a whole team of either of these groups!
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  How, specifically, and I mean with back up data, are they being encouraged? I'm thinking that these are just people. Everyday people who want to live their lives with the same rights as you. They just want to live.
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  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  They already have the same rights; the right to compete against the same sex in sporting events.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  How is this hurting anyone? Especially since the NCAA has its own rules .
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Where there are rules, we have relief.
  
  What are the rules you are referring to??
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Look it up. You have Google.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  They want the right to compete against the opposite sex.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Don't think they really care. You're talking about someone who identifies as a particular gender and want to play a sport as that gender.
  
  Maybe just for the same reason anyone wants to play a sport...like enjoyment ? But ok, you go on and vilify. Make more of it. Make it a conspiracy. That's what you folks do best isnt it?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  History reveals a lot.
  
  Read about the Fall of Rome and the days before Jesus.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Do you want the fall of America?
  Do you want to preserve the freedom and decency of a civilized democratic republic with morals and boundaries and
  human rights given by God?
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The fall of America over a child who identifies as male playing on the girls middle school soccer team? GASP! Nah. Please. We have greater concerns than what the Republican Party would try to drag us into. Sorry I don't buy into outrage politics. I am more common sense .
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  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Middle school (or high school or college or Olympic or simply professional) women don't matter? The desires and wants of a handful of people pretending to be what they are not have a higher priority?
  
  I would disagree. Highly so. You would drop us back 100 years of more to the days when women were nothing but sub-class servants, there to please the whims of men.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  well said. This kind of action takes away a right to compete against their own gender. It is about rights. And women were not in any respect considered in Biden's action.
  
  Oh well, he was just pandering IMO.
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Hey now, all those sexist, racist Republican types may get confused and start supporting the Democrats.
  
  Hmmm, good plan, most Republican men want to force women to stay home, barefoot and pregnant... what better way than to force them out of everything by letting the growing expanse of transgenders force them out.
  
  If I were younger, I would be happy to identify as a woman, that happens to be Lesbian, and take anyone to court who tries to keep me from getting access to all things designated for women.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The NCAA and the Olympic committee have they own policies as do high schools. They seem to be handling the either very small number of transgender athletes or as in most cases NONE at all. So we are essentially talking about playground sports involving children.
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  You mean that NCAA male who competed with women? Was that in the playground?
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  You're welcome to read the NCAA guidelines. The proposed bill isn't addressing anything that isn't already being dealt with in these very rare situations. Just one example.
  "Amid LGBTQ rights debate, few trans kids play in high school sports in NC
  Fewer than 10 transgender athletes, female or male, have sought to play on public high school sport teams that align with their gender identity in the last two years."
  https://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org … rts-in-nc/
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Sorry Bot even if it is a few it is still an issue. A human biological woman should understand that.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I have decided to stay clear, don't want to get caught up and be banned.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Disregard this wisdom if you so chose.
  It's your life, but realize we are trying to prevent bad effects.
  Bad days will come about by not stitching in time.
  Thats all.
  The mothers of the olden days would advise:
  A stitch in time saves nine.
  Forgive my efforts to stitch in time.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Kids playing on a soccer team don't care. They really don't.
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  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  No - the discussion is about someone who is a particular sex and wishes to play a sport as the other sext.
  
  Perceived or claimed gender has nothing to do with it; the physical differences in the sexes do.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  True...
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Ok so crush the self esteem of the 12 year old who identifies as female and wants to play on the school
  recreational play ground league. Really??? Ok
  Tell me more about your stellar morals and family values. These views are so limited.
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  It is much better to crush the self esteem and self worth of all those girls who cannot compete with boys, especially after 12 years old.
  
  I am right there with you. This is a great way for men to reclaim their dominance in all things, as men identifying as women, the world is theirs, the sky is the limit... not only are they protected as one of the most discriminated against minorities, but they get to destroy girls and women in the process.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  We're talking about play ground sports here. Not sports world dominance. You're making more of this than what it is. Most kids don't give a crap about sports or competitiveness beyond their first team experience. They aren't all bound for the Olympics or the NCAA
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  No we are talking about young women in high school competing to get a scholarship, or competing to win a state championship, etc.
  
  Title IX High School Athletic Controversy
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btRSrk-fd5M
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The NCAA already has its own regulations in place
  No need for Republicans to step in. You don't think that they , at the college.level, are considering these issues? Colleges can decide, completely on their own, knowing the facts, who gets scholarships. But please inform....what is the percentage rate that trans athletes present themselves to college sport? I believe that 99% of high school athletes won't play at the collegiate level and 99.9 won't go from college to pro...
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Perhaps they should wait for that day to compete.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Why? Why does it matter? You're talking about sport. Inconsequential sport at low levels with people who will never move to be to more competitive or to professional sport like 99.9 % out there. Who cares?? maybe just let a kid enjoy sport? Seems like that to much to ask of mean spirited conservatives.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  sports enthusiasts understand.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Lol of the middle school soccer team?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  It all matters.
  It all matters.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Kids don't give a crap unless old folks corrupt them.
  They are willing to accept and deal with others without judgement. Get out of their way.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  We old folks should be regarded better.
  ... and you just gave away your (young) age.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Women's sports teams should be able to compete against men's sports teams.

Yes?
No?
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  If they want to.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Yes! If they can find a group of guys up for it!
  ... and if either team is willing to accept defeat!!!!
  
  I would watch!
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Men's sports teams should be able to compete against women's sports teams?

Yes?
No?
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  If both teams are on board.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Soccer balls should be allowed at tennis matches?

Yes?
No?
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Would be very frustrating to watch, and hard on the rackets.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Basket balls should be allowed on the golf course?
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Oh no... LOL
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Researchaccountposted 17 months ago
Since the NCAA already has regulations on this, what's your concern? Can't local schools deal with the middle school soccer team? I mean we kicked back abortion to the states but we need this control on transgenders? What is the issue or point? How many transgender individuals are there in the population? I hope you realize how small. How many would like to play sports? I think even smaller. And does it matter if they participate in playground sports? Why is this issue the crown jewel of Republican politics? Why? Because these people have little clout & power. Easily vilified. This issue affects very few and even fewer are concerned about it.
On the flip side; Biden signed an executive order on today that contains more than 50 directives to increase access to child care. This is just more relatable to many more people.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  you mean govt control over child care
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  No. Access to childcare
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Baseballs should be used in place of ping pong balls when so desired.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Certainly
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Women with balls should be allowed to dance in tights, even though it is unsightly.

Men should be allowed to show them off when dressed in drag, even though it is confusing ... especially to little kids who are exposed to such a grotesque sight.
I'm sorry, it is not a grotesque sight, it is something beautiful ...
to whom, I do not know.
I guess to the one who still has his balls.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  You have topped yourself....
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Who really cares?
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  Miebakagh57posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Stop mocking the men.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  ... well, men (some) admire the sight of their own apparatus, don't they?
  
  (Some do not, in the least, apparently.)
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Philosophical discussion regarding human rights has a valid place in human discourse/debate.

A. Yes
B. No
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  yes
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
for that we give him a pass.

... see you 'round.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
we are talking about preserving the rights of humans vs an anything-goes and who-cares attitude regarding how any transperson(s) affects others, either fairly or un fairly.

It does affect others and fairness is ignored by an anything-goes attitude.
A cavalier do-what-you-like attitude.

I for one, am not having it.
Been there, done that.
It doesn't work and it will lead to the continued ruination/downfall of society.
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Ken Burgessposted 17 months ago
Apologies if this was brought up and I missed it.

‘No apology’: Megyn Kelly tears into trans protesters who ‘kidnapped’ and assaulted Riley Gaines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8XOq57v9Yc
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The actors fox hires are painful and unrelatable
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Researchaccountposted 17 months ago
"But Karissa Niehoff, the executive director of the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS), isn't clear on what all the fuss is about.

"They're trying to put legislative momentum behind a problem that really doesn't exist," Niehoff says.

This year, NFHS conducted an informal survey to see how many transgender athletes were competing across the country. "It was very, very few," she says.

There is no data available that provides an exact number of transgender students in high school, let alone transgender student-athletes. There are approximately 15 million high school students in the United States, and approximately 8 million of them participate in high school sports. A CDC study published in 2019 estimated that 1.8 percent of high school students are transgender, meaning there are roughly 270,000 transgender students in U.S. high schools. But a report by the Human Rights Campaign found that only 14% of transgender boys and 12% of transgender girls play sports. Given all of those numbers, it's statistically possible that there are some 35,000 transgender student-athletes in high school, which would mean 0.44% of high school athletes are transgender.

The Associated Press asked lawmakers who sponsored legislation focusing on transgender athletes for local examples, and they were unable to do so.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/32 … es-debates
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Readmikenowposted 17 months ago
This is extremely upsetting to me on many levels. My wife and daughter were both student athletes. Anyone familiar with female student athletes knows there are NOT that many opportunities for women to play sports. Period. Every transgendered female, who is a biological male, has an unfair advantage because of bone density, muscle mass, etc. These individuals are taking the limited opportunities from biological females to play sports. It's obvious they can't compete with their biological gender so they play in female sports and take championships that should go to biological females. I think to permit such a thing is despicable. These girls work hard an train hard and shouldn't have to compete with biological males with mental disorders. It's not fair, and I am 100% against it in all forms.
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  Miebakagh57posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Mike, I'm in agreement with you, 100%.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  well said,
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Here is the solution:

Only coed sports teams allowed ... across the board.

You're welcome.
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Kathleen Cochranposted 17 months ago
"Pew Research Center survey finds that 1.6% of U.S. adults are transgender or nonbinary – that is, their gender differs from the sex they were assigned at birth."
"The UCLA School of Law's Williams Institute, a think tank that conducts research on sexual orientation and gender identity law and public policy, published a study June 2022 estimating that 1.4 % of U.S. people 13 - 24 are transgender.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Exactly . The far right loves to pick on the powerless. They also love to whip their disciplines into a frenzy over an issue they've grossly inflated with fantastical fearmomgering & "othering". They don't even bother to look at NCAA rules or rules put in place at high schools around the country. Rules that have gone unused due to no transgender athletes.
  Just the MAGA crowd serving up another big fat nothing burger.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Interesting. So Kathleen, do you hope to share a point, and elaborate on the subject?
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Just facts to put the conversation into relevant context.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  OK,
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  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  So?
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Republicans are harping on an issue that is almost non existent. Vilifying and fear mongering over a very small group of people. Why? Well with MAGA cruelty and anger IS the point.
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  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Keeping biological males with mental health issues from ruining women's sports designed for only women is a good thing. Keeping biological males with mental health issues out of women's prisons is a good thing. Keeping them out of women's bathrooms is also a good thing. When these people have been put into female prisons, it has had horrible results. Fighting to end the permanent mutilation of young impressionable children is a good thing. Liberals are who is angry, cruel as well as stupid.
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  Miebakagh57posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The challenge is too complex.
  
  Seems joe biden acts alone in the issue.
  
  Is he sponsoring his own private Bill?
  
  I don't think a sensible person will ever dare it.
  
  It seems to me also that there are hawks behind the bill.
  
  Otherwise, why the Presidential Veto?
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  What is different in this bill than what is in the NCAA policy? How would this almost nonexistent issue be handled differently with government overreach?
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  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  It's very simple. The NCAA permits transgendered men to compete in women's sports. It's determined on a sport by sport basis.
  
  https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2022/1/27/t … olicy.aspx
  
  H. R. 734 prevents biological males from competing with females in ANY Sport.
  
  Look at section 2 amendment.
  
  https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con … l/734/text
  
  I strongly support this.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  NCAA:
  The policy is effective immediately, with three phases of implementation.
  
  Phase One – 2022 winter and spring championships
  For participation in 2022 winter and spring championships, transgender student-athletes were required to provide documentation to the CSMAS within four weeks before the selections date for their championship.
  
  The documentation had to demonstrate compliance with the 2010 NCAA policy, which calls for one year of testosterone suppression treatment. It also had to document a one-time serum testosterone level that fell below the maximum allowable level for the sport in which the student-athlete was competing within four weeks of championship selections for that sport. That means that student-athletes who already fulfilled the 2010 NCAA policy only needed provide one validated serum testosterone level.
  
  Transgender student-athletes who participated in regular season competition (including conference championships) remained subject to the 2010 NCAA policy only.
  
  Phase Two – 2022-23 and 2023-24 regular season and championships
  Beginning Aug. 1, 2022, participation in NCAA sports requires transgender student-athletes to provide documentation that meets the above criteria for the 2010 NCAA policy, plus meet the sport standard for documented testosterone levels at three points in time: 1. Prior to any competition during the regular season; 2. Prior to the first competition in an NCAA championship event; and 3. Prior to any competition in the non-championship segment. See the transgender student-athlete eligibility review procedures for more information.
  
  Phase Three – 2024-25 full implementation
  Beginning Aug. 1, 2024, participation in NCAA sports requires transgender student-athletes to provide documentation no less than twice annually (and at least once within four weeks of competition in NCAA championships) that meets the sport-specific standard (which may include testosterone levels, mitigation timelines and other aspects of sport-governing body policies) as reviewed and approved by CSMAS. More information about the specific application of Phase Three will be provided prior to implementation.
  
  Why should the government usurp this? Seems more than adequate to address a rare occurrence and should be left to the sports governing body not politicians.
  Republicans should heed the lessons of the loses of the extremist candidates of the midterm
  
  Yet Republicans seem to be a brazen band of bomb throwers. Their answer for Americans worried about the economy and growing gun violence? . They respond to the deepest needs of swing voters by working night and day to investigate Hunter Biden, ban books, muzzle teachers and corporations, rail against LGBTQ folks and make for damn sure every woman carries a pregnancy to term by God even if it kills her.
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  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  "Why should the government usurp this?"
  
  Because, if they wish to compete, women must compete against men. Really simple, really obvious. Women's sports are now coed sports...and all because some men wish to pretend they are women.
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  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I agree. Men should not be permitted to participate in women's sports...period. It's a simple concept. Women's sports are for women and men's sports are for me. It's really not complicated...until...those in charge of sports decided they would bow down to men with mental health issues.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Transgenderism is not a mental health issue or disorder
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  You haven't addressed the testosterone levels.
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Are you suggesting that if a male has years of muscle development secondary to testosterone and then stops for one year his muscles will wear away to what they were before he entered puberty? Do you have any evidence to back that up?
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  You're the Dr.....It’s a simple equation: Testosterone builds muscle mass and low testosterone turns muscle to fat.
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  As usual you refuse to accept biological facts.
  
  Testosterone build muscle. If it is stopped, muscle mass will decline. Does it take place in a year, or much longer? Why not tell those men who want to compete with women that they have to have all internal sources of testosterone removed and then wait 10 years before they can compete against a biological woman that has only benefitted from estrogen?
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The British Journal of Sports Medicine looked at Twenty-four studies. Transwomen experienced significant decreases in all parameters measured, with different time courses noted. After 4 months of hormone therapy, transwomen have Hgb/HCT levels equivalent to those of cisgender women. After 12 months of hormone therapy, significant decreases in measures of strength, LBM and muscle area are observed.
  
  https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/15/865
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Thanks, interesting study. Did you read it? Here is the conclusion: "In contrast, hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM and muscle area, yet values remain above that observed in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in transwomen during the first 3 years of hormone therapy."
  
  So at the very least the researchers showed that a 3 year ban is not enough.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I'm not a doctor or medical scholar. I do know enough to realize that even doctors and researchers will come to different results and Conclusions. I presented one such study. There are many more.
  For me, they raise the logical issue of certain female athletes with naturally high testosterone levels. Should they be required to take testosterone-lowering hormones if they want to continue to compete?
  Again, policies are in place at the highest level of sport.
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The conclusion from this study was that testosterone changes muscle development. That does not wear off for at least 3 years and maybe for a lot more. If you think there is a study that show that this is not true I would like to read it.
  
  Policies do not always follow biological fact. Just because you have seen a new policy it does not mean that they considered all the research.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The recommended year of hormone therapy may be too short to remove competitive advantage of transgender elite athletes. That can be addressed. How many do you think that covers? How many trans people are headed for elite sports and does it deserve this type of government overreach when the organizations can and should handle the issue. But if we focus on hormones, again what of the females that have abnormally high testosterone levels?
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I have no idea how many. If it is one guy, and he is competing against women, it is one too many.
  
  If it is a biological female with testosterone from the ovaries I do not see that it is an issue.
  
  It is funny that the goverment is willing to pass all sorts of laws to interfere in peoples lives but are reluctant in this case.
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  The strategy for transgender women (male-to-female) includes medication and/or surgery to decrease or suppress testosterone levels into the female range.
  
  I suppose that is why the NCAA has policy in place to take testosterone levels
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Low testosterone turns muscle into fat?
  
  I thought overeating and or a severe hormonal imbalance was the cause of fat.
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I can't see how anyone does not see common sense in the problem of males competing against women. I mean maybe some should look to science...
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  Researchaccountposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Didn't the NCAA policies address science? Testosterone?
  On the subject of science, what of hyperandrogenism (a medical condition where a typical female body produces higher testosterone than usual). Or, as Faryal Mirza, a clinical endocrinologist at the University of Connecticut Medical Center, tells Scientific American, sometimes high T simply means that a person isn’t very efficient at using T: the body is producing more precisely to arrive at “typical” function of someone producing T in the “typical range.” should these women be banned from sport?
  
  JOANNA HARPER: Ph.D. researcher at Loughborough University. Makes the argument as do many doctors, that most sports, after hormone therapy, it is perfectly reasonable to allow trans women to compete against cisgender women.
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Its all good, relax, you guys have way too much Masculine Toxicity.
  
  They alter Special Forces schools, like the Rangers, so that women can pass through the school... there is nothing proving this has any negative impact on combat effectiveness or quality of the solders now passing through that school.
  
  They changed Boy Scouts to Scouts, so that they could no longer discriminate against girls who wanted to be Boy Scouts, inclusivity is all important and separation of sexes and sex type roles need to be done away with.
  
  They alter the definition of a woman, so that it can include anyone that wants to identify as a women; similar to what they did for the Rangers, they make changes so that it can be inclusive, and anyone that wants to be something they previously were restricted from being can now become.
  
  It is disgusting how antiquated some people's thoughts are regarding these issues. It is NOT about what you were born as... its about what you feel, its about what you identify as.
  
  No one else has the right to make a Transgender feel disrespected, or worse, ashamed of themselves for being what they want to be, what they identify as.
  
  Only evil people do not want to accept Transgenders for the women that they are. Only evil people want to maintain standards that discriminate against those without the strength or endurance to do what others do.
  
  Until everyone can be what they want to be, until all standards are leveled so that anyone can meet them, regardless of their intelligence or their physical ability... our country is NOT free! People are being oppressed!
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  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  LOL Well said!
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  GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  C-
  
  GA
  
  [EDIT] Valeant says I'm too cryptic so I came back to explain that was a 'sarcasm' grade. It lacked cleverness and individual style. It would have been a D, but it was still better than I can do so that's worth something—a C-
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Funny story, I used to be a avid and serious writer for a Sports site for my favorite team, years ago.
  
  Someone was making a good penny off of those of us who wrote on the site, wasn't me, I did it because I was passionate about the team, it was kind of my thing before I got into making money investing... anywho...
  
  One day I write up this story about some violation the coach made, and how other team's GMs and coaches were reacting and what the NFL HQ and Commish was saying... purely satire.
  
  Well it took off, in spades, got a TON of hits, made its way to ESPN, had people throughout the sport making inquires. Come to find out, I was being followed by more than one sportswriter that was following my contributions and then 'modifying' them to suit their needs.... I was a better writer about sports than most things, there are a lot of similarities in sports to tactics.
  
  The owner(s) of the site had to put on the article I had written, and in the title, SATIRE... first article ever modified and stuck with Warning labels on that site.
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  GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Sounds great. What happened?
  
  GA ;-)
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Another funny thing, the article ruffled some feathers and raised some eyebrows... but it wasn't real... the very next week I believe, the team got hit with a major scandal (made up nonsense) and it followed them into the Super Bowl and went on for years.
  
  I remember wondering if perhaps that article planted some ideas in the wrong person's head. ...nah.
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Valeantposted 17 months ago
An interesting study on the topic:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331831/
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Very good study, and in their conclusions they state "it follows that transgender women will enter the female division with an inherent advantage because of their prior male physiology."
  
  This is very similar to the results from the British study that she cited.
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  Valeantposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Indeed. I think if presented with enough of these studies, Democrats must chooses fairness over inclusion.
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  DrMark1961posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I can just imagine what Guttfeld would think, having one less thing to complain about!
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Readmikenowposted 17 months ago
High school volleyball player says she suffered concussion after being injured by trans athlete, calls for ban

A North Carolina high school volleyball player said she suffered significant and long-term physical and mental injuries last fall when she was spiked in the face by a transgender athlete who was able to compete on a girls’ team because of a policy put in place by the state’s high school athletic association.

Payton McNabb, a senior at Hiwassee Dam High School in Murphy, N.C., spoke out for the first time about her injuries on Wednesday during a press conference where she called on state legislators to pass the Fairness in Women's Sports Act that would prohibit biological males from competing on girls’ sports teams, citing her own experience.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/high-sch … -calls-ban
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  Is showering with a biological man also something that needs to be accepted? As a Christian, I would object to having my child submit to showering with anyone but a person of their biological birth gender.
  I want my child's religion respected. Period
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  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  When rule or policies are violated, there should be consequences. The biological male who did this should be punished. Period.
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  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Girls getting spiked in the face by a biological male while playing a girl's sport is not an acceptable hazard.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  It's a matter of Edgar and the boys.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  if they (Edgar and the boys) completely leave town and the person fully transitions to the opposite sex, maybe things would be okay.
  I don't know.
  
  But anyway for those who transition completely and utterly, they are not very healthy or happy and surely loose the desire and ability to compete.
  Sure, let a fully transitioned transperson play sports and compete with the sex of his proclaimed (and encouraged) psychological identity.
  
  It won't be for long.
  
  These victims of confused identity are being poisoned and slowly killed with all the medical procedures they must endure and the myriad of pharmaceutical substances and hormones they must take for the rest of their lives.
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  ... many stories are told on the internet and their struggles are real.
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  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Well, I won't go into details, but, I know one trans woman who refers to biological women as "bleeders," and "chest feeders," refers to pregnant women as "pregnant persons" and tells young teenage girls they're not really women just because they have periods and ovaries.
  
  I don't know if all trans women are like this, but I know at least one who is like this.
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  Bklyn1323posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Well one of anything probably doesn't represent the whole. I know some maga supporters who are awfully hateful...sooooo
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  Miebakagh57posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I know such 3 in my communiy. They behavour is not my business.
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  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  If that is the case, it is biological girls playing against biological girls.
  
  Isn't it odd that only trans women want to play in women sports. No trans man wants to play in men's sports.
  
  Many trans women want to play women sports because they can then win championships they would not if they played against biological males. Most of them didn't do well against men, so they switched to female sports.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  ... well, what do you know!!!!
  
  So, women who don't have Edgar and the boys are shy around all the those who do have their so and sos (insert their various other names)
  and the boys!
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  Bklyn1323posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  And what have they won?
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  Miebakagh57posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  It doesn't matter. But the odds are too many.
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  Valeantposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I watched the play and have a long history in the sport. That spike was no harder than she would have seen from the top girls in her sport. It looked bad because the coach had her so close to the attack and the block was not protecting her. The coach's system put her in more danger than the opposing player. Any high school girl could have injured her from that distance.
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Amazing, well, I'm no expert but I have played plenty of volleyball.
  
  Never came across a woman who could hurt me with her spike.
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  Valeantposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I've played against Olympians and know a few 14-year old girls from our area that hit harder than that trans player, let alone some of the older high school kids. Yesterday, while reffing a lower Division I women's team during their spring scrimmage, a girl concussed a girl who was six feet further away from the net than the one that is referenced in this thread.
  
  Some solid machismo, but you need to play at higher levels to really understand the strength and talent of today's women's players.
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Uh-huh, yeah, thanks for telling me about my own experiences and lack of comprehension.
  
  I'll stick to what I know vs. whatever fantasies you have floating around in that head of yours.
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  Valeantposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  One of us has multiple hubs written breaking down technical aspects of this sport, one of us sells real estate. Pretty sure it's easy to see which of us has the fantasies of their ability to comprehend the level of women's volleyball in the country currently.
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  Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Oh I see, so what a person writes about is what they have deep and detailed experience in.
  
  And if they don't write many hubs here about it, then of course, they have no experience in a subject.
  
  Arrogant, condescending, egotistical, narcissistic... just a few words that popped into my head at the moment, not sure why.
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  Valeantposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  Just easier to report that post than escalate these obvious personal attacks. I don't need another ban and don't feel like providing any more personal info that would show the vast differences between our knowledge of the sport.
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  Miebakagh57posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I can't bring myself to believe that biolgical female can compete with the males in say, a game of football. I take it that it's best they play against they biological females.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  So, they would have to betray themselves!!!!!
  
  Sad to be them.
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Readmikenowposted 17 months ago
As the father of a daughter, I would be livid if this happened to my child.

"Trans woman showered with four Wisconsin high school girls, violated their privacy, letter to district claims

Letter alleges trans woman exposed private area to underage girls

According to the letter, titled "Serious Violation of Girls’ Privacy Rights in Sun Prairie East Locker Room," four Sun Prairie East High School freshmen girls were disturbed when an alleged "undressed" 18-year-old transgender woman came into the locker room and got into the showers with the girls."
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  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I am with you. As a parent, I would be up in arms.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
So, I am really wondering...
(if any one knows:)

Q. Can the individuals who have gone through all this transitioning still ...

climax?

"At this time, there do not appear to be any studies which examine sexual health or orgasmic experience in trans individuals who initiated affirmative treatment prior to adulthood or the onset of puberty."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … rans-youth
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Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months ago
Did God really make woman second?
Maybe the womb-man was first and gave birth to the womb-less man.
hmmmm ... Are the womb-man and the womb-less man both "men?"

Well they are both beautiful.

I have heard, that the original humans, (hu+"man," again!) did not even have wombs or sex organs. Children were produced by the sheer ability to recreate through their God-like mental/spiritual abilities.

However, in time, by observing what the animals were doing, they decided to try what they were doing ... and so evolved the opposite sex organs/wombs like theirs. (And/or by procreating with the slowly evolving "cave men" ...?)

Maybe that's the true story of Adam and Eve.
God said, "Don't do what the animals are doing."

I mean, why would eating an apple bring about the fall of the first human creations who The Bible refers to as "Adam" and "Eve" ? ?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 17 months agoin reply to this
  I do feel sorry for those who end up in a body they do not want to be in.
  However, its best just to struggle through for health reasons and for the purpose of learning higher spiritual lessons/karma.
  
  For instance, maybe the soul, (before birth,) decided it needed to experience being either male or female. What if you were a terrible person who mis-treated the opposite sex? Maybe you chose to experience the oppose sex to understand that what you did was hurtful in an attempt to change your ways and selfish inclinations?
  
  A life-time in the shoes of the opposite sex might cause the criminal-soul to feel empathy and be motivated to change for the better.
  
  Additionally, I have heard that if one is racist or prejudiced against a certain nationality, race or culture, one might reap the karmic consequence of reincarnating into that same race, culture or nationality.
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