Biden not only kept, but SHARED classified documents!

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  1. Readmikenow profile image94
    Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

    More evidence of the DOJ having a two tiered justice system.  One for Republicans and one for democrats.  Additional proof the DOJ has been weaponized and is being used for election interference.

    "A special prosecutor has determined that Joe Biden did, indeed, take and keep classified government papers to which he was not entitled, and even shared the information with others.

    The FBI, under the direction of Biden, in fact, staged a SWAT-style raid on Trump's home to hunt down documents he retained from his presidency. As president he had authority to have those documents, and had the authority to declassify them.

    Biden's documents were from his time as senator and vice president, and he did not have authority to declassify them. Further, he stored them in unsecured locations, like a stack of boxes in his Delaware garage.

    The decision on Biden's case Thursday came from special counsel Robert Hur, who has been investigating for months."

    1. Kathleen Cochran profile image78
      Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "More evidence of the DOJ having a two tiered justice system." Yes. One for those who admit wrong doing and cooperate and one for those who don't do either.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        How far would you take the "I admitted my crime so let me go free"?

        Yes, I murdered him, so I should be set free.  Yes, I admit I sold cocaine to school children, so let me go.  Yes, I admit I raped that woman, so I get to go free?

        How far do you see an admission of guilt going towards setting a criminal free?

        1. Readmikenow profile image94
          Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Who else but the biden's DOJ can say, "Well, we'll forgive him because he's old and probably forgot."

          Fantastic defense and good reason not to pursue criminal charges.

          That doesn't seem to work if the someone accused of a crime is a Republican.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            The hypocrisy of some mindset is glaring. It's amusing how some choose to overlook the fact that there's a highly confused individual occupying the White House. It's laughable how we excuse Biden from accountability for his actions due to his apparent state, yet we continue to entrust him with the responsibilities of the presidency. It's truly bewildering, and disgusting.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image77
              Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Can't hide their true colors anymore, can they?

              Hate for America is the only thing I can see that would allow a rational, informed, person to support this Administration.  That or not being informed with the facts and allowing themselves to be programmed by propaganda.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                "Can't hide their true colors anymore, can they?"

                Some can -- However, they don't look too bright in my view.  Your keyword programmed" and beyond any form of redemption at this point. I love watching some of the media skirtings to find a sentence or two to try to twist into a  narrative that is palatable for "the faithful".

                I mean it has become very comical.  I mean weekend at Bernie's is becoming very plausible.

                Biden needs to be removed from office. How in the hell long are we going to have to watch this confused man a fool of himself, and America.

              2. Valeant profile image87
                Valeantposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                What can't be hidden is the ignorance of the MAGA cult that continues to fail to understand the actions taken in defiance of the retrieval of classified documents and how those actions constitute the crimes that Trump is charged with.  Actions that no other president, nor Vice President in Biden's and Pence's case, even thought about taking.  It doesn't go unnoticed that no MAGA cult member ever mentions Mike Pence's case, which is the similar case to Biden's, and also resulted in no charges.

                Hate for America is the only thing I can see that would cause MAGA's to not comprehend the differences in the three cases and how two were adjudicated the same when the actions were the same, and one is adjudicated much differently because of different actions taken and the charges for those actions that violated the law.

                Because I got tired of debating the difference in the three cases, I actually wrote a full hub about it:  https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/debun … ents-cases

        2. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I should be a free man due to not I am old and don't remember ---    "Special counsel Robert Hur on Thursday released a 388-page report on President Biden’s retention of classified material, finding the president frequently showed limitations with his memory and recall."

          "“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote.

          “Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”

          The report on more than one occasion refers to Biden struggling to remember things when he spoke to a ghostwriter for his memoir, as well as when he was speaking to investigators.

          Hur cited Biden’s 2017 conversations with ghostwriter Mark Zwonitzer, which Hur described as “painfully slow, with Mr. Biden struggling to remember events and straining at times to read and relay his own notebook entries.” https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … ng-report/

          ""In his interview with our office, Mr. Biden's memory was worse," the report states. "He did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended ('if it was 2013 — when did I stop being Vice President?'), and forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began ('in 2009, am I still Vice President?')."

          "He did not remember, even within several years, when his son Beau died," the report continued. "And his memory appeared hazy when describing the Afghanistan debate that was once so important to him. Among other things, he mistakenly said he ‘had a real difference’ of opinion with General Karl Eikenberry, when, in fact, Eikenberry was an ally whom Mr. Biden cited approvingly in his Thanksgiving memo to President Obama."

          "In a case where the government must prove that Mr. Biden knew he had possession of the classified Afghanistan documents after the vice presidency and chose to keep those documents, knowing he was violating the law, we expect that at trial, his attorneys would emphasize these limitations in his recall," the report said.

          While Biden will not face charges, Hur said his investigation "uncovered evidence that Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen."

          The materials included "marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, and notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods."
          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … -interview

        3. Kathleen Cochran profile image78
          Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Admitting wrong doing and cooperating is not necessarily "going free". It's better than obstructing investigations and claiming immunity.

          "It's amusing how some choose to overlook the fact that there's a highly confused individual occupying the White House." 2016-2020 most of us knew this to be true and did not find it amusing. So we voted him out.

      2. Readmikenow profile image94
        Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Same crime handled two different ways.

        In our justice system, punishment is supposed to be administered equally.

        1. IslandBites profile image90
          IslandBitesposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Same crime handled two different ways.

          Not according to Hur.

          From the report:

          We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. We would reach the same conclusion even if Department of Justice policy did not foreclose criminal charges against a sitting president...

          Historically, after leaving office, many former presidents and vice presidents have knowingly taken home sensitive materials related to national security from their administrations without being charged with crimes. This historical record is important context for judging whether and why to charge a former vice presidentand former president, as Mr. Biden would be when susceptible to prosecution-for similar actions taken by several of his predecessors.

          With one exception, there is no record of the Department ofJustice prosecuting a former president or vice president for mishandling classified documents from his own administration.

          The exception is former President Trump. It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear. Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts.


          Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation.

          https://www.justice.gov/storage/report- … y-2024.pdf

        2. Kathleen Cochran profile image78
          Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Did Trump admit wrong doing and cooperate?

          Not the same crime.

          That one's pretty simple. Yet there are those who still don't see it. It reminds me of the thief who can't find a policeman.

          1. Readmikenow profile image94
            Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            "Not the same crime."

            How?

            Biden had his documents for years BEFORE Donald Trump became president.  The FBI never said anything about them.  They were from a time when he was vice president.  Having classified documents didn't become an issue until the FBI was focused on harming President Donald Trump's chances for reelection.

            I don't buy this biden is a forgetful old man with cognitive decline so he's innocent.  He didn't have these problems when he was vice president and took the classified documents in the first place.  He either committed the crime or he didn't.

            President Donald Trump was president and had the authority to declassify every document in his possession should he have desired. He was not a vice president with no such authority.

            Yes, President Donald Trump did cooperate with the FBI.  They were let into his estate to see the documents.  They even agreed to a time to come back and look at the documents some more.  The FBI still served a search warrant, which was unnecessary, because President Donald Trump was willing to let them see the documents again.

            This is a blatant case of double standards in the DOJ as well as the FBI.

            The case against President Donald Trump should be dismissed.

            Both have been weaponized to attack political opponents of the democrat party.  This is just one more example.

        3. Valeant profile image87
          Valeantposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Same crime?  I'm sorry, was Joe Biden found to have willfully tried to retain the documents?  Was Joe Biden subpoenaed for the documents?  Did Joe Biden try and destroy evidence of him trying to retain the documents after lying to the government that he had returned everything?  Maybe you'll note that just having the documents was not a charge for Trump, but his willful retention of them is the charge after he defied a subpoena and lied to the government that he had returned them all.  Neither Pence nor Biden did either of those crimes, hence why they weren't charged.

          Also, did Joe Biden have in his possession (according to the indictment) 31 documents that described U.S. nuclear weapons; foreign military attacks, plans, capabilities, and effects on U.S. interests; foreign nuclear capabilities; foreign support for terrorist activity; communications with foreign leaders; U.S. military activities; White House daily foreign intelligence briefings; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Please take the time to review pages 223-248 of the Hur report, which presents the evidence gathered during the investigation. In my opinion, Hur's decision not to advocate for charges is reasonable. While he uncovered instances of mishandling and unauthorized possession of documents, he exercised prudence in not pursuing prosecution against Biden.

            Hur considered Biden's advanced age and cognitive challenges, believing a jury might not convict him. I don't view this decision as incorrect; it would seem vindictive to subject an elderly individual to public scrutiny for a pound of flesh. The thoroughness of the Hur investigation is commendable, and his choice not to recommend charges against President Biden regarding classified documents is wise.

            We should respect both the investigation's findings and Hur's decision. While crimes were identified, Hur provided sound rationale for not pursuing charges, particularly given evidence of Biden's cognitive issues he discovered.  Merely pressing for charges based on the evidence alone might not have been justifiable. But he certainly could have gone that route.    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report- … y-2024.pdf

            I will share, I find it very disappointing to see anyone ignore or defend the state of Biden's failing metation.   I would think it has become overly obvious that the man is much of the time confused.

            1. Valeant profile image87
              Valeantposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Oh, so Hur is a psychologist?  Yeah, didn't think so.  I trust his diagnosis as much as you all trust mine about Trump's malignant narcissism.

              The truth is that Hur couldn't charge Biden even he wanted to since Biden is a sitting president.  That's something MAGA should have learned by the Trump presidency.  And as noted by PP, Hur contradicts himself in the report by stating two different conclusions about what the evidence showed in different places in the report.  That is far from commendable.

              And you've been stating Biden's failing mentation since 2019.  There are obvious examples of it, as there are now with Trump.  I find it very disappointing to see his supporters ignore or deflect his state of failing mentation as well.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Does one need to be a  psychologist to ascertain inappropriate answers to a direct question? Such as what date did your son die? What years did you serve as Vice President?  "WASHINGTON -- The longstanding concerns about President Joe Biden's age and memory intensified on Thursday after the release of a special counsel's report investigating his possession of classified documents.

                The report described the 81-year-old Democrat's memory as “hazy,” “fuzzy,” “faulty,” “poor" and having “significant limitations.” It noted that Biden could not recall defining milestones in his own life such as when his son Beau died or when he served as vice president."
                https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/bid … -107079952

                It is only a matter of time before the complete transcript of the Hur/Biden interviews will be plastered all over the media...  I feel we deserve the transparency of viewing the unredacted transcript.  I  trust Hur would not misrepresent his findings or his reasons for not recommending any charges.

                From my perspective, it's disheartening to see some people disregarding the evidence presented by Hur and the clear signs of cognitive challenges in Biden. His repeated instances of confusion, right before our eyes, are hard to interpret any other way than as a manifestation of memory lapses and verbal inconsistency. Unlike Biden, I didn't observe Trump facing similar mental challenges.

                1. Willowarbor profile image61
                  Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I didn't observe Trump facing similar mental challenges.

                  Please, make it make sense

                  https://x.com/Acyn/status/1756118803501732257?s=20

                  Why?  He  also looks so unhealthy all the time.  So sweaty and slurring his speech. 
                  He will rightfully be under a microscope continually.  His mouth is just the gift that keeps on giving.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                    Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    From my perspective, Trump appears to be in good health, maintaining a vigorous schedule with hour-long rallies where he articulates his views and agenda coherently. I've never observed any signs of poor health beyond sinus issues and high cholesterol, for which he takes Crestor.

                    In contrast, Biden often displays signs of cognitive weakness, struggling to maintain focus and coherence. He frequently appears lost in thought, becoming frustrated when unable to articulate clearly. His statements often lack sense and are easily disproven. He even demonstrates confusion in simple tasks like walking in the correct direction, needing redirection. Despite these evident struggles, some continue to defend his failing cognitive state. I trust what I see firsthand.

                    Comparing Biden's cognitive condition to Trump's seems unnecessary and merely a form of projection, in my opinion.

  2. Willowarbor profile image61
    Willowarborposted 2 months ago

    Republican Special Counsel Hur on page 1: I have evidence President Biden willfully retained classified materials

    Republican Special Counsel Hur on page 215: “There is in fact a shortage of evidence” that President Biden willfully retained classified materials
    Special counsel report initially claiming there is “evidence” that President Biden willfully retained classified materials
    Special counsel report later admitting there is “a shortage of evidence” that President Biden willfully retained classified materials.


    So if Biden is correct here hur is being dishonest in his findings hoping people will get bored after a few pages...

    Sloppy work

    Biden/Harris HQ

    The reason Hur declined to press charges, as he says right  at the top of the report, is because they could not prove the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
      We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter.

      1 We would reach the same conclusion even if Department of Justice policy did not foreclose criminal charges against a sitting president.

      2 Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the
      garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.

      However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution of Mr.Biden is also unwarranted based on our consideration of the aggravating and mitigating factors set forth in the Department of Justice's Principles of Federal Prosecution. For these reasons, we decline prosecution of Mr. Biden.
      * * *
      The classified documents and other materials recovered in this case spanned Mr. Biden's career in national public life. During that career, Mr. Biden has long seen.   https://www.justice.gov/storage/report- … y-2024.pdf

  3. Readmikenow profile image94
    Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

    Why is Biden not charged?

    "Special Counsel Robert Hur did not recommend President Biden for prosecution for his handling of the classified documents. In the report, Hur states the 81-year-old’s age and cognitive capabilities would make it difficult to convince a jury that he was guilty of willfully committing the crime. Hur said the special counsel’s team considered that “at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory."

    So, I guess the standard for not being charged with a crime is if you're a old and have cognitive capability issues.  Then you can't be charged.   If you look like a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory...you could not have committed a crime.

    This is a travesty of justice.

  4. Readmikenow profile image94
    Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

    Here is a copy of the special counsel's report.

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report- … y-2024.pdf

  5. Readmikenow profile image94
    Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

    I agree.


    Garland should invoke 25th Amendment if DOJ declines to charge Biden: 'One or the other'

    Senator Josh Hawley, R-Mo., said that Attorney General Merrick Garland is at a crossroads after Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Hur declined to charge President Joe Biden for mishandling classified documents because of his mental state.

    Hur’s report, which was made public on Thursday, found that after a months-long investigation, Biden "willfully retained and disclosed classified materials," but he concluded that no criminal charges were warranted, because based on "direct interactions with and observations of" the president, Hur and his team said "[i]t would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."

    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Hur's presentation of evidence indicates that Biden not only broke the law by taking documents but also neglected their proper storage for an extended period. Through interviews, Hur showcased Biden's severe cognitive issues, particularly concerning memory. These revelations underscore the urgency for Congress to fulfill its duty in addressing these concerns. It's evident that Biden cannot be trusted to make sound governance decisions.

      Time for Congress to quickly step up and do the tight thing for the Country.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image77
        Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

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        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Thank you--- So very wonderfully true

  6. Springboard profile image83
    Springboardposted 2 months ago

    They (the Biden administration) keep trying to point to "differences" in the cases, and the ONLY difference I can find is that one was against Trump and one was against Biden. As you pointed out, Biden wasn't even supposed to HAVE classified documents. Trump COULD. He could DECLASSIFY them. Biden did not have that power.

    The whole thing is a sham, but thankfully I think most thinking Americans see it for what it is.

  7. abwilliams profile image70
    abwilliamsposted 2 months ago

    "The whole thing is a sham, but thankfully I think most thinking Americans see it for what it is."

    Clearly.
    Everyone but, the Biden Brigade.

  8. Willowarbor profile image61
    Willowarborposted 2 months ago

    Actually,  Hur stated

    that the evidence “does not establish Mr. Biden’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.”

    Also..

    Hur concluded there is not enough evidence to convict Biden of "willfully" retaining the Afghanistan documents or the notebooks. When the Afghanistan documents were found in the garage in 2022, Biden was allowed to have them because he was president at the time, the report said.

    Hur is Comey 2.0

    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      I so get a kick out of you choosing one sentence out of 300 and some pages...

      1. Willowarbor profile image61
        Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Well ultimately it comes down to the fact that there was not evidence to charge Biden. That's what the investigation was about.  Yes, he could have said that in a one-page filing.  300 pages of blatant  hit job.

        But we have Trump telling us that if he doesn't win the election Pennsylvania will somehow be lost and renamed...

        1. Readmikenow profile image94
          Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          "Trump telling us that if he doesn't win the election Pennsylvania will somehow be lost and renamed"

          Do you have a reference?

          I can't find it.

          1. Willowarbor profile image61
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            "We have to win in November, or we’re not going to have Pennsylvania. They’ll change the name. They’re going to change the name of Pennsylvania,” Trump said.

            Why though?



            https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c … mp%20said.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Please take the time to review pages 223-248 of the Hur report, which presents the evidence gathered during the investigation.

          "EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
          We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter.

          1 We would reach the same conclusion even if Department of Justice policy did not foreclose criminal charges against a sitting president.

          2 Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen.

          These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home. However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

               https://www.justice.gov/storage/report- … y-2024.pdf

          I tend to understand the report differently than you.   I have read the evidence, as well as the summary. I have faith Mr. Hur has been truthful in his report.

          1. Willowarbor profile image61
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            "Mr. Biden might not have retained the classified Afghanistan documents in his Virginia home at all,” the report said. Zwonitzer’s tape recording of Biden was the only evidence the special counsel had to prove willful retention. “We searched for such additional evidence and found it wanting. In particular, no witness, photo, e­mail, text message, or any other evidence conclusively places the Afghanistan documents at the Virginia home in 2017.”

            In other sections, such as on page 204, the report says: “The evidence falls short of establishing Mr. Biden’s willful retention of the classified Afghanistan documents beyond a reasonable doubt.”

            But also, when is the consideration of a defense an individual may mount  used to determine whether to prosecute or not??  This was simply Hur making a political attack under the guide of this ridiculous argument. 
            The language about his memory had no place in the report whatsoever. 
            You either have the evidence or you don't. 

            Hur has absolutely no expertise or credibility to claim  anyone' has "diminished faculties" that would be his opinion.

            Explaining his conclusion that “the evidence is not sufficient to convict” Biden, Hur wrote: “We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.

            Are you kidding me?? So his evidence could not overcome the doddering man defense?   

            That limitation of memory, Hur wrote, “will likely convince some jurors that he made an innocent mistake, rather than acting willfully — that is, with intent to break the law — as the statute requires.”

            Well isn't it Hur's job to actually have strong enough evidence that Biden acted willfully??  He didn't bring charges because he knew he didn't have enough evidence to prevail in court but took the opportunity to slam Biden in a totally inappropriate manner.

            It reads like something written by the Trump campaign as a hit job.

            The inspector general added that it ‘violate[s] long-standing department practice and protocol’ to ‘criticise uncharged conduct’. The special counsel report fails that test as well.”

            Definitely a  Comey moment.  who couldn’t indict Hillary so he decided to hold a press conference and indict her politically.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image79
              Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Wow, it's concerning to see Biden's actions regarding those documents from his Senate years until now. The images are almost laughable, but it's hard to defend his behavior. It seems Hur decided not to press charges due to Biden's confused state, perhaps deeming it a waste of taxpayer money. It's baffling how some choose to overlook the fact that he mishandled millions of documents, seemingly thinking he was above the law. What's most troubling is that Hur's actions publicly revealed Biden's true cognitive state to the world.

              The proof of Bidens breaking the law was lying all over his garage floor...

              1. Willowarbor profile image61
                Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Age or memory is no reason to ignore someone who has broken the law...if you actually have evidence a crime was committed
                Are we saying that advanced age, poor memory are  excuses breaking the law ?  A get out of jail free card?

                The truth is, there wasn't enough evidence to make a case to a jury so Hur made a political case to the country.  Pretty shameless.

                The only useful part of Hur's report was the extent to which he differentiated Biden's document case from Trump's.

                Do you find it concerning that Trump says Pennsylvania will be renamed if he loses the election??

                1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                  Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  If you don't believe Biden committed any crimes, that's your perspective. However, the evidence summary of the report suggests otherwise. It indicates that President Biden retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. These materials included marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, as well as notebooks containing his handwritten entries about national security and foreign policy matters. Although these materials were recovered from his home, the investigation didn't establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It's worth noting that Biden didn't have the authority to take home classified documents as a senator or vice president. As for comparisons with Trump, the circumstances are different given Trump's position as president and his authority to declassify documents. I don't see the need to compare the two cases. Personally, I've always been vocal about my concerns regarding Biden's cognitive abilities, and I appreciate that Hut's report highlighted this issue. Ultimately, the decision not to pursue charges against Biden was made, but I stand by my belief that he may not be fit for the responsibilities of his position.

                  If you don't believe Biden committed any crimes, that's your perspective. However, the evidence summary of the report suggests otherwise. It indicates that President Biden retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. These materials included marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, as well as notebooks containing his handwritten entries about national security and foreign policy matters. Although these materials were recovered from his home, the investigation didn't establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It's worth noting that Biden didn't have the authority to take home classified documents as a senator or vice president. As for comparisons with Trump, the circumstances are different given Trump's position as president and his authority to declassify documents. I don't see the need to compare the two cases. Personally, I've always been vocal about my concerns regarding Biden's cognitive abilities, and I appreciate that Hut's report highlighted this issue. Ultimately, the decision not to pursue charges against Biden was made, but I stand by my belief that he may not be fit for the responsibilities of his position.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image61
                    Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    "the report suggests otherwise. It indicates that President Biden retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen".

                    Then why wasn't he charged?  Age or memory isn't a reason to ignore a crime .  I'm not making any judgment on what Biden did or didn't do.  The special prosecutor chose not to charge him because he didn't have enough evidence to go before a jury. 

                    "If you don't believe Biden committed any crimes, that's your perspective'

                    It's not my perspective, it is the special prosecutor telling me that he doesn't have enough evidence to prosecute crime. Why should I think that there has been a crime committed when a prosecutor isn't bringing it forward as such?  I should believe that a crime was committed even though charges haven't been brought?  I'm confused.

                    More concerned about what's going to happen to Pennsylvania though!

                    As always, appreciative of your thorough and spirited discussion.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image79
                  Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  After watching Trump's NRA rally on YouTube, I interpreted his statement about Pennsylvania's name change within the context of a broader warning. It seemed to me that he was cautioning the audience about the current administration's support for ideologies that permit significant changes at will.

                  Prior to and following this statement, he referenced efforts across the country to rename schools originally named after historical figures like Washington and Lincoln, suggesting that such changes could extend to other aspects such as renaming states.

                  To me, it appeared clear that he was implying the potential for further alterations that could include name changes of various natures.  Throughout his speech, Trump consistently conveyed his perspective on what he perceives as actions by the current administration that are detrimental to America. His views, as evidenced by numerous rallies, tend to be direct and unwavering in their message.  I think one needs to, listen to the complete speech to put context to the Penn statement. In reality, the statement we are discussing was mild in comparison to some of the other things he said in the speech.

  9. Willowarbor profile image61
    Willowarborposted 2 months ago

    "We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory," the report said. "It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."

    This is outrageous.  If you have the evidence that someone committed a crime, you bring charges regardless of what you may believe a jury could conclude. 
    Hur didn't  bring charges because he didn't have the evidence. 

    Based on the facts, Hur should have written a short report pointing out that Biden’s actions did not rise to the level of criminal offenses. That, after all, was his conclusion.  Instead, Hur delivered a book-length indictment of Biden’s age and memory, going out of his way to offer politically damaging and snarky assertions.

    In reading the report it is clear that without the ability to charge Biden, Hur set out to pull politically damage him.

  10. Readmikenow profile image94
    Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

    Megyn Kelly illustrates the decline of biden by showing his speeches over the years.

    It's is shocking to watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNbboFfR9ko

    1. Kathleen Cochran profile image78
      Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Readmikenow: As opposed to Trump who's been off since his youth. MAGA lost its ability to be rational completely - if they ever had the ability. Thank goodness there are fewer and fewer of them.

      1. Readmikenow profile image94
        Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I appreciate your efforts at deflection.

        The report stated among the things biden couldn't remember are the day his son died as well as when he was vice president.

        THAT combined with the disastrous press conference puts the democrats in a very bad place politically.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I feel that the transcript of the Biden interviews will be shared with the public, and will show most likely Hur went easy regarding what the transcripts might reveal.   Hopefully, the transcripts will help clarify why Hur felt he needed to share Biden's confusion.

          1. Readmikenow profile image94
            Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Sharlee,

            The democrats can deflect, deny, ignore, take out of context all they want when it comes to biden.  THEY are in trouble with biden.  Do they have any idea of the soundbites and video clips available to be used against biden in the election? 

            It's not just the United States.  I wonder if anyone sees how biden in portrayed in foreign countries.  Australia, the UK, and others are really brutal about biden's behavior. People in the Ukraine laugh when they see biden's gaffs. A Ukrainian commentator said, (I'm paraphrasing.  Things don't always translate the same)

            "We can think this is funny, but the laughter ends when we realize the immense power this clueless old man has over the world."

            I think she's right.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image79
              Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              In my opinion, it's illogical to disregard what is plainly evident. I find it unreasonable to justify what is clearly observable. Regarding the Hur report, I believe it presented compelling evidence that Biden possessed government documents of various classifications over an extended period. These documents were kept without proper security measures in various locations, as depicted in the numerous photos provided by Hur.

              It seems apparent to me that Biden was aware of this disarray, evident every time he entered his garage. Therefore, the notion that he forgot about these documents appears to be self-deceptive, disregarding the obvious.

              Furthermore, it's evident to me that many are troubled by Hur's discussion of Biden's cognitive abilities, choosing to overlook the substantial evidence indicating Biden's breach of the law concerning the possession of these documents. Hur has clearly outlined his rationale for not recommending charges, which I find to be a well-considered explanation.

              I quote Hur   “We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote.
              “Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”

              I think WAPO's article covers Hur's view regarding Biden's mental state well.   https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … obert-hur/

              From what I see on media, as well as social media, It seems that some individuals in the country think that Biden's actions should be overlooked, despite his evident confusion while holding the most significant position in the free world. Frankly, I find this perspective to be peculiar, deeply biased, and quite frankly, repulsive.   While there are those who believe he hasn't violated any laws and has no cognitive issues, that is their prerogative. Personally, I am of the belief that Biden has indeed broken the law over many years and is clearly struggling with confusion, making it imperative for him to either voluntarily step down or face removal via impeachment due to his cognitive state.

              1. Willowarbor profile image61
                Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Prosecutors have the authority to decline filing charges in a criminal case if they determine that there is insufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt or  if the case lacks legal merit.   I don't think that being elderly or having lapses of memory is a reason for a prosecutor to decline charging an individual for a crime they allegedly committed.   

                “I think it's outrageous. Prosecutors are taught that the Department of Justice should speak through charges or it shouldn't speak at all,” said Mark Lytle, a veteran Justice Department public corruption prosecutor who also served in the White House Counsel's Office in the Trump administration.

                “I’m no fan of President Biden, but he's not charged with a crime and now he's out there having to defend himself. And how can he defend himself when there’s no jury or judge to decide whether those allegations are true?” asked Lytle, who describes himself as a Republican. “Hur is acting like prosecutor, judge and jury.

                Hur opens his report in a way that invites misinterpretation, by stating he “uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials.” But Hur waits until the next paragraph to state that the evidence does not establish Biden’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

                Hur simply didn't have a case, hence the lack of charges but used the completely irrelevant memory argument to get in a political hit. 

                For anyone interested, the following link meticulously covers the entire report section by section. The media has done a terrible job accurately portraying such a voluminous document.

                https://www.justsecurity.org/92090/the- … -the-news/

                1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                  Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  It's evident that Hur stated he didn't have enough evidence to press charges, but he also expressed doubts about convincing a jury due to Biden's memory, citing answers from Biden's interviews to support his decision.

                  From my perspective, Biden kept government documents for many years in various locations under poor conditions, which I believe constitutes a breach of the law, plain and simple. His confused responses during interviews only deepen my concerns. We obviously have differing opinions on this matter.

                  I firmly believe Biden knowingly held onto these documents over an extended period, disregarding legal protocols, and I doubt he was unaware of their presence. That's my stance, and I'm not particularly concerned about what Hur or anyone else says about it at this point.  No sense in beating this dead horse.

                  I've been vocal about my concerns regarding Biden's cognitive abilities for over three years now. In my observation, he appears to be facing cognitive challenges that are only worsening with time.

                  At any rate, the Biden/document investigation is water under a bridge.

                  Let me remind you Biden came out quickly to defend himself... That press conference made us all take note of just how very confused this man is.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image61
                    Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I firmly believe Biden knowingly held onto these documents over an extended period, disregarding legal protocols

                    But Hur found no evidence of willful removal or willful retainment of any of these documents. 

                    I'm still boggled by the idea being advanced in this document that if I break the law but have some personal or physical qualities that would be viewed sympathetically by a potential jury that a prosecutor may decide not to charge me?  Things that make you go hmmm. 

                    In one paragraph he seems to say there is evidence of guilt but a jury would be sympathetic. In other paragraphs he goes to great length to tell us how none of his evidence rises to the appropriate standard. 

                    Ultimately I'm led to the conclusion that he did not have a viable case based on the evidence but decided to throw a lot of shade by stating that even if he did have enough evidence to charge that a jury would feel sympathetic and let him off anyway so why bother.   

                    So let me ask you and anyone else who would like to weigh in.  Is this how prosecutorial decisions are made?  Are decisions made based upon the evidence or based upon what a hypothetical jury may decide to do . 

                    Hur tried to sell America on the  doddering  old man defense when he simply wanted to raise memory as a political hit.  Very disingenuous. 

                    If you don't have the evidence to prosecute a case, what does Hur's novice opinion of Biden's memory matter?   Other than gratuitous commentary.  He very much went out of bounds.

  11. Valeant profile image87
    Valeantposted 2 months ago

    Been away this weekend, have any of the MAGA cult members admitted that one person defied a legal subpoena in order to willfully retain classified documents and two others did not?

 
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