Who is the American voter - 2024? Where do they stand on ????

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   tsmogposted 10 months ago

   Pew Research published a deep dive into the American voter for 2024.
   
   In Tied Presidential Race, Harris and Trump Have Contrasting Strengths, Weaknesses by Pew Research published Sept. 9, 2024.
   What if they win? Harris and Trump supporters differ over the acceptability of presidential actions by their own candidate
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … eaknesses/
   
   The deep dive spans 8 pages with gobs of graphics illustrating each point they polled.
   "The survey was conducted from Aug. 26 to Sept. 2, 2024. A total of 9,720 panelists responded out of 10,645 who were sampled, for a survey-level response rate of 91%."
   
   Most of us are informed based experience and knowledge, however are the gaps with this historical election and just 'who' the voter is and their concern? Take a peek skim from here to there.
   
   Page 1 introduction
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … eaknesses/
   
   Page 2 - 1. Harris, Trump and the state of the 2024 presidential race
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … tial-race/
   
   Page 3 - 2. Issues and the 2024 election
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … -election/
   
   Page 4 - 3. Harris’ and Trump’s personal traits and the tone of their campaigns
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … campaigns/
   
   Page 5 - 4. How Harris’ and Trump’s race and ethnicity, gender and age matter in the 2024 election
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … -election/
   
   Page 6 - 5. Voter engagement in the 2024 election
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … -election/
   
   Page 7 - 6. How Harris and Trump should govern
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … ld-govern/
   
   Page 8 - 7. Economic ratings and concerns
   https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … -concerns/
   
   Three interesting graphics in my view
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   Thoughts, criticisms, accolades, commentary?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 10 months ago

   You really like charts and graphs! Makes me dizzy.

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      tsmogposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Yeah, as you noted in another OP thread commenting about my confession of being a 'data freak' I like analysis. I could of used junkie instead of freak, but I sought humor. There is an adage I go by, if true always true otherwise is false.
      
      Absolutes is a study in and of itself. Some circles say they only have value with religions with God(s). Others say definitely absolutes are revealed with mathematics. Science relies on math. It is said science has  no absolute truths, only approximate truths, thus there is a 'tolerance'.
      
      Just one article offering perspective . . .
      
      If You Say ‘Science Is Right,’ You’re Wrong by Scientific American (July 1, 2021)
      It can’t supply absolute truths about the world, but it brings us steadily closer
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … ure-wrong/
      
      "Science is a process of learning and discovery, and sometimes we learn that what we thought was right is wrong. Science can also be understood as an institution (or better, a set of institutions) that facilitates this work. To say that science is “true” or “permanent” is like saying that “marriage is permanent.” At best, it's a bit off-key. Marriage today is very different from what it was in the 16th or 18th century, and so are most of our “laws” of nature."
      
      Politics is a science . . . amongst other things such as academia fields like philosophy. And, there is 'human nature' which in my view politics serves or lord overs.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 10 months ago

   In my mind we should not give Kamala any regard whatsoever. Why should we?
   
   "She" has been breaking US law by allowing more than ten million illegal immigrants to enter the country. This is an invasion which the Biden-Harris people have facilitated. It has caused much mayhem including rapes, murders, apartment complex takeovers, drug deaths, and misery to people who have been victims of senseless brutal attacks.

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   Sharlee01posted 10 months ago

   I am shocked at many of the stats. I can only say I am not disappointed in the population's mindsets. Yikes

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      Readmikenowposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      To me President Donald Trump has the lead on the most important issues of the election.  Immigration and the economy.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 10 months agoin reply to this

         ... as he should be.

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         Sharlee01posted 10 months agoin reply to this

         I agree, and actually, she has lost ground on 538. I use that site due to they offer daily polls, and their stats are current as reported. It's very easy to see they are neck and neck, but two weeks ago she was doing better.

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         Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

         You really should encourage anyone you know that has an open mind to see the 'Am I racist' movie... before they vote.
         
         Am I Racist by Matt Walsh Full Movie Review and Breakdown
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwKv9u-nz_Y

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      tsmogposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      I found the study very interesting as it relates to this election cycle. It is revealing while certainly questions some opinions. I will go back to it now and then seeking perspective.
      
      For instance, though is 'my' perspective, the following indicates to me the 'people' overall want stability for a word choice. Why? That is a study in and of itself I would think or at least have a personal perspective.
      
      

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      Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      I find them rather disheartening, I look at Black and Postgrad and to a lesser degree Union Member and Youth.
      
      What is the similarity there?
      
      Then consider Veterans and White, that is the two most Right leaning.
      
      What is the similarity there?
      
      Does that align with how you see the Party make-up changing?
      
      Trump's Republicans have coalesced much of the 'Blue Collar' and 'Small Businessman' voters, and we know that his supporters come from the bottom-half of society the lower 30% of wage earners.
      
      So Trump has become the physical representation of the discontent... or as Hillary and the Democrats think about them, the 'deplorables', the filthy rabble that deserve to have tens of thousands of foreigners that have no concept of our norms or laws dumped into their towns overnight.
      
      The mewling wretches that think they have a right to everything, just because they are an American citizen.  And what does it mean to be an American Citizen?
      
      Why would you want to identify as American?
      
      Racist, Sexist, slave owning, oppressive to women America... the most degenerate of all Nations, created in the image of Slave owning, Women oppressing White Men... it needs to be burned to the ground, all of it, and be Built, Back, Better.
      
      The job is only half-done, this is why Trump MUST be stopped, this is the most critical moment... Trump can undo all that Biden has passed... from Transmen competing with Women and being a protected minority to Open Border policy... Equity to Escalating War efforts...
      
      https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1837083022039961892
      
      And a Must Watch for anyone of Faith, this should be made viral:
      https://x.com/Ann_Lilyflower/status/1836980749653692508

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         tsmogposted 10 months agoin reply to this

         Interesting! Riddles, riddles, riddles. Do you think the office of the president is to serve 'the people' being all of the people? Is that possible? If not, then serve those by obligation who voted you in. In other words, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. To me it is a daunting task in an ever changing dynamic.
         
         For instance race in the US is not static, it is dynamic.
         
         "In April of 2004, the quarterly newsletter Migration News summarized the most recent data on race and ethnicity from the U.S. Census Bureau: “In 2000, the racial/ethnic makeup of US residents was: White, 69 percent; Hispanic and Black, 13 percent each; and Asian and other, six percent. By 2050, these percentages are projected to be: 50, 24, 15, and 13.” For anyone who has been studying racial trends in America these figures weren’t surprising.1 But the newsletter’s conclusion certainly was: “It is possible that, by 2050, today’s racial and ethnic categories will no longer be in use.”
         
         [Notation: I take that knowledge and apply it to the Pew Research study where race is introduced.}
         
         Looking ahead: racial trends in the U.S. by Daedalus (2005)
         https://www.amacad.org/publication/daed … -trends-us
         
         Then arrives the question, "Do Americans have a 'race'?
         
         That alone causes me to ask, do you create policy for 'now' or in the future to serve 'the people'. That to me is stark when you consider the progression of our debt. How do you arrive upon an equitable compromise between 'today' and 'tomorrow'? Daunting!
         
         I foresee more wandering later . . .

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            Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            Riddles, isn't that what we are being posed today?
            
            Lets try a game of perspective, starting with this video:
            
            https://youtu.be/2sgrXlgTWJo?list=TLPQM … &t=120
            
            How is that possible?
            
            Compare that moment to today... how did we get to the opinion people have today of that same person?

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               Willowarborposted 10 months agoin reply to this

               Comparing that moment to today? Wow, he has declined a lot.

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                  Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  Has he? 
                  
                  Or is what forms in people's minds today about him show the power of propaganda and a consistent massive barrage of non-stop media attacks?
                  
                  Look at the power of mass-propaganda... three months ago Harris was the most disliked VP in living memory.  Today she is considered the savior that will bring a new Joy filled era to America.
                  
                  How easy it is to program some minds.

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                     Sharlee01posted 10 months agoin reply to this

                     "How easy it is to program some minds."    Pretty dam easy, who would have guessed?

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   Ken Burgessposted 10 months ago

   We are all done... no getting off the slippery slope we are on now:
   
   https://x.com/notPBD/status/1837621379333869774

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      tsmogposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Wow! How much affect will that have on the American voter do you suspect?

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         IslandBitesposted 10 months agoin reply to this

         Well, that was 5 years ago, so did it?

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            Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            Nope, it was marginalized back then, and it is mainstreamed now.
            
            In another 5 years, you will be getting jailed if you express an opinion that criticizes it in any way.
            
            And 5 years after that, we will be in a civilizational collapse that will make what is occurring in Haiti today look positively peaceful in comparison.
            
            Or not.
            
            Who knows?

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            tsmogposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            Great question. Doubtful there was any effect from it.

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               Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

               Hmmm... it has become normalized, common place, is that an effect?

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                  tsmogposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  Regarding voting and the voter I have no idea. Do you?

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                     Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                     Not at all, I imagine it has impacted a percentage of people, especially those who have been impacted by the efforts to allow for minors to get sex-changes and participate in trans/drag shows.
                     
                     Things that a decade ago were illegal, or at least frowned upon.
                     
                     I will say, the fascinating thing about the Harris nomination, is how it shows how quickly a majority of people can have their beliefs/perceptions changed.
                     
                     Then again, you could say everything since 2020 has been a fascinating study in how malleable the mindset of culture/society at large is.

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                        tsmogposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                        Interesting and you are right about changing peoples minds as it relates to both sides of the fence. That is what campaigning is all about, right, changing people's minds. After all the base only needs their beliefs reinforced, right?
                        
                        I think it began a decade or more before 2020. Yet, I'm a novice at the political world. Perhaps with Bush and weapons of mass destruction fiasco. Or, maybe even as far back as Viet Nam harping on patriotism? Isn't that kind of when distrust of government at least went main stream in the public's eye?

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                           Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                           There are several things impacting decisions that are being made now that began between the fall of the wall back in 91 and the towers in 01.
                           
                           Unfortunately, those people, and those thoughts, as derelict and dysfunctional as they are for today's world are prominent in the decisions being made for America(ns) today.
                           
                           The two biggest issues we are going to have great difficulty surviving in the coming years are AI...
                           
                           https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mQxh9fsaJRs
                           
                           And untangling ourselves... getting ourselves off the path of ensured self-destruction the Biden Administration has set us upon.
                           
                           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amMYVzjwwWc

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                              tsmogposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                              The first video is old news isn't it? Revealing as it is it is I was first exposed to the concept way back about '80 when I became a numerical control (NC) and computer numerical control (CNC) machinist along with education in computer aided design (CAD) and computer aided Manufacturing. How AI will affect those will be interesting to observe.
                              
                              As far as the second video what was the name of that movie that brought that concept to life? War Games? Even HAL from the space odyssey gave hints what would soon arrive. One only needs to be aware and let the imagination wander and wait for science to make it a reality. However, the video was interesting to watch.
                              
                              As far as Biden or Trump goes I know damn well they are using AI today with projecting their campaign running hundreds of models for outcomes with the voting populace. I follow a statistician who runs models on all the polling data and updates projects with analysis at least weekly in its newsletter using computer AI. If he is doing it I am sure the campaigns are doing it.

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      Sharlee01posted 10 months agoin reply to this

      This is very disturbing,  in so many ways...   This type of exploitation is fine with some.

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