What Do You Think --- Should Biden Run In 2024?

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Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

WSJ editorial board says Biden shouldn't run in 2024: 'His decline is clear
Please read -- https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-sec … e-23dd7cbe

The Wall Street Journal editorial board argued President Joe Biden is too old to run for re-election Friday, admitting reports he is likely to announce his 2024 bid next week.

"The public understands what Mr. Biden apparently won’t admit: that electing an octogenarian in obvious decline for another four years could be a historic mistake," the editors wrote.

The editors continued, "Asking the country to elect a man who is 80 years old and whose second term would end when he is 86 is a risky act that borders on selfish."

The editors alleged the White House "goes to great lengths" to hide what they speculate is Biden's declining health.

"But his decline is clear to anyone who isn’t willfully blind," they argued.

They pointed to his lack of press conferences, scripted appearances, and public stumbles as evidence for their position.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  HELL TO THE NO. Biden shouldn't have ran in 2020. America is in disrepair because of this i------------e.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  This I--------e!
  
  I mean no, its not funny.
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Trump is 77 so if he is the GOP candidate age is a mute point.
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  Joshua Crowderposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Since It's going to be Trump vs, Biden, I have to speak about Trump. In the '90s, I had a favorable opinion of Trump, but I cannot say the same now. While Biden wouldn't be my first pick, I cannot overlook Trump's tendency to avoid taking responsibility for his unpopular actions. Not once in the past 20 years that I remember! You could be the worst of the worst, but if you own your mistakes, I trust you. Moreover, I have never heard anyone speak more divisively than him.
  
  Do you prefer a president who entertains you or one who has a more virtuous character? Age is just a number and give me a boring president. I would only take issue with Biden running if he in fact was diagnosed with Alzheimer's or some other type of terminal illness. People need to get over the past as well.
  
  "Living in the past is a dull and lonely business; looking back strains the neck muscles, and causes you to bump into people not going your way." - Edna Ferber
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for sharing your personal thoughts.in good detail. So articulate--- we need you here. Hope you will stop in more frequently.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago
... strangely, he could actually win in 2024, no matter what.

Why/How?

Lemmings come to mind.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Personally, I think it a coin flip if he would win. His opponent is very likely to be Trump, and we all know and understand the extreme levels of hatred applied against that possible candidate.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago
He could be sitting in a chair, dead as a doorknob and we would still elect him!!!

rotting in the oval office chair ... And while they are making an AI robot in his likeness,
they could easily construct a wax figure in his likeness.

That would be fine,
Right?

I mean, way better than U No Hoo!!!!
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I certainly think more Americans will consider Biden's cognitive problems and his job performance, not to mention some individuals will look at how they are now paying so much more to live, the mess at the border, and the messy war, and its cost, and the crazy EO's he has signed, and all the problems that have come up pointing to his family and him playing the pay for play with foreign nations. Not to mention he takes Documents and leaves them in insecure places. And weaponizing many Government agencies. Hopefully, Americans do their homework.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  No they will not do their homework, as they never do these days.
  
  He would win in 2024, if he ran against Trump.
  
  However, my intuition tells me, at some point, not sure when, it will be DeSantis against Newsom.
  
  DeSantis will win.
  
  Will it take another four years of misery and the school of very hard knocks?
  
  It might.
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  cognitive problems v total lack of character
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Both are very hard to accept in a President. Not to be argumentive, but President Biden as well as his family are under investigation or to put it more politely under scrutiny for possible crimes.
  
  "Summary
  Chairman James Comer and Oversight Committee Republicans are investigating the Biden family’s domestic and international business dealings to determine whether these activities compromise U.S. national security and President Biden’s ability to lead with impartiality. Members of the Biden family have a pattern of peddling access to the highest levels of government to enrich themselves, often to the detriment of U.S. interests. We are committed to following the Biden family and associates’ money trail—consisting of many complex, international transactions worth millions of dollars—and providing answers to the American people. The American people deserve to know whether the President’s connections to his family’s business deals occurred at the expense of American interests and whether they represent a national security threat.
  
  Evidence obtained by Committee Republicans reveals Joe Biden lied to the American people about his involvement in his family’s business schemes. The Biden family business model is built on Joe Biden’s political career and connections with Joe Biden as the ‘chairman of the board.’ Biden family members sold access for profit around the world to the detriment of American interests. If President Biden is compromised by deals with foreign adversaries and they are impacting his decision making, this is a threat to national security. The American people deserve transparency and accountability about the Biden family’s influence peddling. With the new Republican majority, Oversight Committee Republicans will continue pressing for answers to inform legislative solutions to prevent this abuse of power".
  
  -CHAIRMAN JAMES COMER
  https://oversight.house.gov/landing/bid … stigation/
  
  If one does a bit of research one might question his character.
  
  "In 1968, Biden earned a Juris Doctor from Syracuse University College of Law, ranked 76th in his class of 85, after failing a course due to an acknowledged "mistake" when he plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school"
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden … in%201969.
  
  Biden has frequently lied about his education, and being at the top of his graduating class. - In 1968, Biden earned a Juris Doctor from Syracuse University College of Law, ranked 76th in his class of 85, after failing a course due to an acknowledged "mistake" when he plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden … in%201969.
  
  Biden has a long history of plagirizing.
  What speeches did Biden plagiarize?
  In 1987, Biden Plagiarized A Speech From British Politician Neil Kinnock.
  Biden Plagiarized A 1968 Speech From Robert Kennedy, Lifting Nearly A Whole Paragraph Word For Word.
  Biden Plagiarized From President John F Kennedy. ...
  Biden Lifted Lines From Senator Hubert Humphrey On Multiple Occasions. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documen … plagiarism
  
  "At least twice, Biden himself has made public references to alcohol being involved in the crash. In 2007 Biden said the truck driver "allegedly ... drank his lunch." And multiple news outlets, including CBS News, have reported that Dunn was drunk." This was not true and caused great psychological harm to the man he accused of being responsible for his first wife, and baby daughters death death.
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driver-in- … e-cleared/
  
  Tara Reade's Allegation That Joe Biden Sexually Assaulted Her. --- "In the interview with Halper, Reade alleged that Biden had sexually assaulted her while the two were alone on Capitol Hill in 1993. Reade says she was dropping off an athletic bag for the Senator in the Capitol Hill complex, a maze of halls and tunnels that connect the U.S. Capitol building to Senate and House office buildings. According to Reade, Biden had been speaking with another person, who walked away as she approached. “All at once,” she said, Biden pressed her against a wall.
  
  “He just had me up against the wall, and the wall was cold. And I remember, he— it happened all at once. The gym bag, I don’t know where it went, I handed it to him, it was gone, and then his hands were on me, and underneath my clothes,” Reade said. “He went down my skirt, but then up inside it, and he penetrated me with his fingers.”
  
  "As the Democratic presidential race was getting underway in the spring of 2019, Reade was one of eight women who came forward in quick succession to allege that Biden had touched them inappropriately, made them feel uncomfortable, or invaded their personal space in the past."
  https://time.com/5831100/joe-biden-tara … llegation/
  
  How the DOJ is investigating Biden's handling of classified documents when he was VP
  https://www.npr.org/2023/01/12/11488100 … hen-he-was
  
  President Biden lies frequently
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … nt-gaffes/
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … -100-days/
  Washington Post Fact-Checker Gives Up on Recording Biden’s Lies
  https://www.yahoo.com/now/washington-po … 40491.html
  
  So, it appears we have two candidates with poor characters. But only one that has periods of confusion. Trump unlike Biden did take a cognitive test when it was requested --- Biden was asked and refused to. His poor cognitive skills have been filmed, and in my view, it would be hard not to have noticed his lapses in orientation and his frequent inappropriate actions, and verbal statements.
  
  I have never witnessed Trump appearing confused or disoriented.
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  Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Kathryn, I don't know you can be that funny! joe biden, run. But watch. Whacking or wrecking Trump is also on the track. It's a race for old gladiators..
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  It is now evident that Americans are waking up to the need to rid the White House of Biden.
  
  Poll: 70 percent of voters don’t want Biden to run for a second term
  A majority of Americans said in a new CNBC All-America Economic Survey that they don’t want President Biden to run for a second term in 2024.
  
  "The survey, published on Friday, found that 70 percent of those polled said they don’t want Biden to run, largely citing his age. Nineteen percent of respondents said they would support a Biden reelection bid.
  
  When asked about former President Trump, 61 percent of respondents said they don’t want to see him run for president in the 2024 election, while 30 percent of those surveyed believe that he should run.
  
  Trump, who faces a number of investigations, including ones led by the Department of Justice, announced his third presidential campaign at his Mar-a-Lago estate last month.
  
  Eighty-six percent of Republican respondents said in the poll that they don’t want to see Biden run for reelection in 2024, while 57 percent of Democratic respondents agree with that sentiment."
  
  Sixty-six percent of independent respondents said they don’t want to see Biden run in 2024, according to the poll.
  
  Eighty-eight percent of Democratic respondents said they don’t want to see Trump run for president in the 2024 election, while 37 percent of Republican respondents said the same.
  
  Sixty-one percent of independent respondents said they don’t want to see Trump run for another term at the White House in 2024, the poll said.
  
  https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3 … cond-term/
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  So GOP should run a reasonable candidate. To date, they don't have one.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Do you honestly feel the Democrats have a reasonable candidate? It disturbs me that we as Americans have come to the point where some can support a man that is clearly not suitable to do the job as president.
  
  Trump in my view did do a good job in running the country. He certainly was and is very controversial, but when it comes to running the country. I feel he did a good job.
  
  I have shared I hope the GOP as well as the DNC will run new blood.
  They might who knows. But at this point.
  
  However, I am very uncomfortable having Biden in the White House and feel we are so much worse off as a Nation under his watch. I would like to return to prosperity and no wars.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  'I feel he did a good job.'
  
  Do you feel adding $7.9 trillion to the national debt is doing a good job?
  Do you feel that violating the basic human rights of children was a good job?
  Do you feel that using ugly rhetoric that led to an increase in hate crimes was a good job?
  Is eliminating two hundred years of precedent of having a peaceful transfer of power doing a good job?
  Is having a net negative job gain during a four-year term doing a good job?
  Is inciting your followers to commit acts of domestic terror doing a good job?
  Is breaking laws to get elected doing a good job?
  Is accepting the assistance of a hostile foreign nation to get elected doing a good job?
  Is lying about losing an election doing a good job?
  Is ignoring the reports of dangerous tests being done in China, while removing critical scientists from that country, doing a good job?
  Is alienating our allies and cozying up to murderous dictators doing a good job?
  Is freeing 5,000 Taliban prisoners that led to a destabilized Afghanistan before we evacuated our people doing a good job?
  
  The man was incompetent with the exception of enriching himself and people like him who have wealth.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I am not willing to argue all your points. It would seem senseless to do so. You know we don't agree on your list of grievances.
  
  I see little truth in the list you offered. Why argue back and forth? We look at things very differently
  
  Sorry, not interested in such a long debate.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago
My crystal ball says we will have an environment of warring parties/issues no matter who we elect.
(Pluto and Neptune will be in Aries during this whole period, so we could be arguing and fussing (or worse) the whole time.)
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Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago
What do y'all think about Kennedy?
Wondering.
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  BKLYN1975posted 2 years agoin reply to this
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 2024 presidential campaign
  From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for President 2024
  
  "The Robert F. Kennedy Jr. presidential campaign was formally launched on April 19, 2023 when Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a longtime environmental and anti-vaccine activist and author, announced his candidacy in Boston. Kennedy will be challenging incumbent Democratic president Joe Biden, if he decides to run.
  
  Background
  Kennedy is a member of the Kennedy family, four of whom have previously run for the United States presidency. Kennedy's uncle John F. Kennedy was elected president as a Democrat in 1960 after a successful presidential campaign. In subsequent decades, several other Kennedy's sought the Democratic Party presidential nomination, but have failed to be nominated. Kennedy's father and namesake Robert F. Kennedy, ran a campaign for the nomination in 1968 but he was was assassinated before the party's nominating convention. Kennedy's uncle-by-marriage Sargent Shriver ran for the nomination in 1976, but later withdrew of the race. Kennedy's uncle Ted Kennedy ran a campaign for the nomination in 1980, but was later defeated in the primaries by then-incumbent Democratic president Jimmy Carter. In advance of Kennedy's announcement, however, it was reported that members of the Kennedy family intended to support Biden over Kennedy in the primaries.
  
  On March 3, 2023, in a speech at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics, Kennedy stated that he was considering a run for president in 2024, saying "I am thinking about it. I've passed the biggest hurdle, which is that my wife has greenlighted it".
  
  Campaign launch
  On April 5, 2023, Kennedy filed his candidacy, which making him the fourth member of his family to seek the presidency of the United States.
  
  Kennedy formally declared his candidacy for the White House at a campaign launch event at the Park Plaza Hotel in Boston on April 19, 2023. Kennedy chose Boston for his launch because of his family's deep political roots in the city, and referenced in his speech that he graduated from both high school and college in Massachusetts."
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Kennedy? He's the same kind of candidate the GOP has come up with: extreme. Surely both sides can do better.
  
  80 may be the new 60.
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Valeantposted 2 years ago
Mental decline is a wash if it's Trump as he's just as delusional, but in a slightly different way. Most Democrats feel Biden has accomplished enough to warrant the status quo if it's Trump. If it's DeSantis, that's just a mini-Trump. If it's either of those two, Democratic turnout will be huge and not many leak away.

If it's someone like Sununu, you're going to get some crossover from the left. But some on the right will likely sit out because no way Trump supports another candidate.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  We would likely see a bunch seeing their vote as electing Biden's running mate, not Biden.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Which is smart politics by the Biden team as that should turn out the African American vote and the women's vote.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago
Its a battle between good and evil.
evil, stubborn stubborn evil, will not acknowledge the truth of the matter.
If Biden becomes president again, it is because of a percolating evil.

~ according to the way I see it.
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Did you see Trump as evil? Who would you like to see as the GOP candidate? I think both sides would prefer younger candidates.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Trump is not evil.
  Why would anyone think he is evil?
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Six years of observing him closely.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  and what have you observed?
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Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago
From Sharlee's link

"Sixty-six percent of independent respondents said they don’t want to see Biden run in 2024, according to the poll.

Sixty-one percent of independent respondents said they don’t want to see Trump run for another term at the White House in 2024, the poll said."

Eighty-eight percent of Democratic respondents said they don’t want to see Trump run for president in the 2024 election ...

37 percent of Republican respondents said they don't want to see Trump to run for president in the 2024 election."

We do need someone new/youngish, polite and super intelligent to swoop in and save the nation.

Is that too much to ask?
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Kathryn we do need two new candidates Yes, young, intelligent, and well-spoken would be optimal. At this point, I will settle for cognitively sound.
  
  However, we need to rid the White House of Democrats. At this point in our nation's history, I feel they are not representing American citizens or the Constitution we adopted at conception.
  
  Your vote will be needed now as never before.
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  If the popular vote had been honored in past elections, the last republican president would have been Bush the First.
  
  Don't think America wants to rid the White House of Democrats. I think they would appreciate their votes resulting in the candidate the majority choses.
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Sharlee01posted 2 years ago
Do we need to really consider that Biden is cognitively failing? Some call Biden's odd stories gaffes. However, he repeatedly offers untrue events about his life. Events that are just not true. His stories are colorful, and he very much seems to enjoy telling them.

Biden was headlining the North America's Building Trades Unions Conference at the Washington Hilton --- The president also falsely claimed that his 'grandpop' died two weeks before he was born at the same hospital - despite the senior Biden's obituary saying that he passed away more than a year before the president's birthdate and the hospitals were not the same.

Can we afford to vote for a man who is clearly having cognitive problems?
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  If the choice is between that and someone who wants the United States government to resemble Russia or North Korea, then absolutely. And I'd even argue that Biden's memory lapses are a slight concern compared to Trump's malignant narcissism.
  
  Trump has already called for the termination of the Constitution to give him a win in an election he clearly did not win. He's suggesting internment camps for the homeless. Wants to intermingle religion and schools and is basically running a campaign based on all of the grievances of his past.
  
  Biden is forgetful, Trump is delusional. Easy choice.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Given a choice between resembling Russia or Venezuela (where Biden would put us) I would have to choose Russia.
  
  It looks more and more that in the next election I will be voting against someone, not for someone. Wish it were different.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Me too. And I had so hoped it would not come to this.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  The autocracy we're seeing from Trumpism, let alone DeSantis attacking American companies like Disney, has a greater chance to move us to what happened in Venezuela. When presented a choice between Sanders and Biden, the Democratic Party moved away from the candidate preaching socialist policies.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Trump, and DeSantis, are promoting the socialism that has destroyed Venezuela? I don't think so.
  
  Nor has the Democratic Party moved away from anyone preaching modern socialist policies; they embrace it and attempt to build on it.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  As usual, time to move on from you when you completely ignore the written words and twist them into something not even close to being said. That took a whole two posts to get there.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know what I miss most about Trump, the peace or the prosperity, or a president that was strong and good at problem-solving.
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  "the peace or the prosperity, or a president that was strong and good at problem-solving" You can't be talking about the same guy who botched a pandemic resulting in a million America lives lost, lowering taxes only for the rich, removing safeguard regulations, setting Afghanistan withdrawal for disaster, blackmailing an ally, instigating an assault on our Capitol, and attempting to overturn a presidential election. There is delusion but this thinking is beyond all reason.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Biden botched the pandemic. Trump worked at warp speed to get vaccines and keep all as safe as possible. Getting supplies to hospitals, and creating off-site hospitals. He handled the pandemic well. We had no inflation until Biden came in and suggested we stay shut down for a year... I think it sad more did not give him credit where it was due. I will agree to disagree on that subject. I will say I could not even imagine what a mess it would have been under Biden. He could not even keep COVID test kits available and let hundreds of thousands of migrants come in without testing them or requiring that they be vaccinated.
  
  Biden was responsible for the Afghanistan pull-out. He was president, and it has been learned he did not take the advice of his own military. He was president, if he felt Trump has made the wrong decision to pull out he could have done something differently.
  
  I will offer this long fact check only to add a source in regard to the fact Biden did not listen to his military advisories. I have become tired of hearing that Biden had to do what he did --- My god this man was and is the president of the United States.
  
  "Fact Check: President Biden’s False Claims on Afghanistan
  Press Release 08.19.22
  Media Contact 202-226-8467
  Washington, D.C. – One year ago yesterday, as Americans and Afghan partners were desperately trying to get to the Kabul airport and out of the country to safety, President Biden was interviewed by ABC News. In this interview, he made many claims about his decision to withdraw and the situation on the ground at the time. We now know many of these claims were inaccurate.
  
  Claim: “I don’t think anybody anticipated that” the Afghan military would not be able to defend themselves against the Taliban.
  
  Fact: The Afghan military was not nearly as large as the president claimed and the U.S. government knew for years it heavily relied on U.S. contractors and air support. The U.S. military also warned a collapse was likely after the U.S. military completed its withdrawal. (Interim Report, pg. 14)
  Claim: His top military advisors did not urge him to keep about 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.
  
  Fact: Generals Milley, McKenzie, and Miller all recommended he keep 2,500 troops in the country. And General McKenzie testified to Congress, “I am confident that the President heard all the recommendations.” (Interim Report, pg. 4)
  Claim: The Taliban was “cooperating, letting American citizens get out.”
  
  Fact: Secretary Austin told Congress the very next day they had reports of Taliban fighters beating and harassing American citizens. (Interim Report, pg. 71)
  Claim: He personally met with NATO allies and that “they agreed. We should be getting out.”
  
  Fact: Most NATO Members did not support the unconditional withdrawal, and senior officials in the UK government explored ways to keep their troops on the ground there after the American withdrawal. NSA Sullivan has since admitted “many allies disagreed wit the result of the decision” to withdraw. (Interim Report, pg. 8)
  Claim: The U.S. accomplished its reasons for being in the country, which were to kill Osama bin Laden and to “wipe out” al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
  
  Fact: The president’s own military officials at the Pentagon confirmed that al Qaeda was still operating in the country the day after this interview. In addition, an UN report issued the month before on July 21, 2021, stated al Qaeda had a presence in at least 15 of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces. (Interim Report, pg. 14)
  In this interview, President Biden also:
  
  Admitted he “would’ve tried to figure out how to withdraw those troops” even if President Trump had not made the Doha agreement;
  
  Rep. McCaul’s Interim Report has an entire chapter evaluating the Doha agreement’s impact on the president’s decision to withdraw. While the report finds the agreement “damaged the morale of Afghan forces, and emboldened the Taliban,” top Biden military officials and U.S. allies like the UK have all agreed the agreement was conditions-based, and that those conditions were not being met (Interim Report, pg. 11);
  Committed to keeping troops in the country until every American was safely evacuated.
  
  We now know the State Department has evacuated more than 800 American citizens after the military withdrawal was complete on August 31, 2021. In addition, outside veterans groups have evacuated several hundred additional American citizens. To date, more than 200 American citizens are currently trapped in Afghanistan, according to the State Department (Interim Report, pg. 65);
  Downplayed the fact that people fell to their deaths from planes in their desperate attempt to escape the country; and
  
  Said there were no mistakes and that the exit from Afghanistan could not have been handled better.
  
  “Contrary to what administration officials have said since the release of my interim report, President Biden himself made it crystal clear that the Doha agreement did not tie his hands – he would have unconditionally pulled out of Afghanistan no matter what,” stated McCaul. “Whether you agree with his decision to unconditionally withdraw from the country or not, it didn’t have to be like this. My interim report proves the State Department and NSC were simply not taking the necessary steps to prepare for the fallout. For God’s sake, the U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan at the time took a two-week vacation at the same time the top general on the ground was warning about the ‘rapid loss of district centers.’ The tragedy the world saw unfold on our televisions one year ago was avoidable. And this administration’s attempt to sweep this under the rug is absolutely unacceptable.” https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/press- … ghanistan/
  
  DEFENSE
  
  Top generals contradict Biden, say they urged him not to withdraw from Afghanistan
  Gen. Frank McKenzie said that he recommended maintaining a small force of 2,500 troops in Afghanistan earlier this year.
  https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/2 … ing-514491
  
  Contradicting Biden, top generals say they recommended a small force stay in Afghanistan
  Biden has received fierce criticism over his administration’s handling of the withdrawal and failure to predict the Taliban’s quick return to power
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre … l-n1280230
  
  https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/gener … an-advice/
  
  Hopefully, my sources will help you understand not only did Biden handle the withdrawal poorly, but he did not listen to his top military aids.
  
  I feel differently in regard to what you call blackmailing an ally. I feel he was very transparent in the call, and also forthcoming with the release of the call. And the Congress did not remove him from office.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  THANK YOU.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I hope it will enlighten some on the truth of what the facts are in regard to the Afghanistan pull-out. I get tired of seeing misinterpretations of what Biden actually did.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You, too.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  But zero problem ignoring the contributory factors of the previous administration that destabilized the country. Who releases 5,000 Taliban fighters before we have evacuated our people? Not a stable genius, that's for sure.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  "If the choice is between that and someone who wants the United States government to resemble Russia or North Korea, then absolutely. And I'd even argue that Biden's memory lapses are a slight concern compared to Trump's malignant narcissism."
  
  What did Trump do while he was in the White House to make you believe he wanted America to mimic Russia or North Korea? What legislation did he pass that would make you feel this was his goal? I have shared I feel Trump does suffer from a form of narcissism.
  
  I have never found a quote from Trump to terminate the Constitution. This was the statement he made that some well twisted in what you seem to feel he said. I have added the entire comment to provide the true context of his post on Truth.
  
  "Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post on the social network Truth Social"
  
  Trump did not indicate he wanted to terminate the Constitution.
  
  I have not found any quotes where Trump wanted to put the homeless in internment camps.
  
  "Trump says he'll ban homeless camping, create "tent cities"
  Trump proposed banning "urban camping," arresting those who violate the ban and offering them space in government-run tent cities staffed with doctors and social workers."
  https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ … -rcna80480
  
  No problem with your view, and choice.
  
  Perhaps you could provide quotes from the comments you provided. I just can't imagine Trump ever saying he would like to terminate the Constitution. Or put the homeless in internment camps. His plans for the homeless sounded like a good solution to help these people have sanitary conditions, health care, as well as social workers.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  First, the quote:
  “A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he wrote.
  Of course you couldn't imagine him saying such a thing, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and you guys wouldn't even blink.
  
  Next, what did Trump do to make me believe he wanted America to mimic Russia or North Korea?
  Oh, I don't know:
  - violated the basic human rights of children.
  - used violent rhetoric towards his political enemies that has led to:
  1.) one of his supporters mailing pipe bombs to them
  2.) two of his followers showing up to attack vote counting centers
  3.) hundreds of his supporters leveling death threats at election workers
  4.) a supporter to actually show up to attack an FBI field office
  5.) dozens of his supporters to level racist attacks and threats against a
  sitting district attorney.
  - fabricated his own reality that he didn't lose a presidential election:
  1.) had his campaign organize fake electors in multiple states
  2.) pressured/threatened campaign officials in multiple states
  3.) organized and incited an attack on his own Capitol based on lies to
  try and stay in power
  4.) ended two hundred years of the peaceful transfer of power
  - endangered national security by removing hundreds of classified
  documents after leaving office:
  1.) referenced the payment Nixon got as justification
  2.) committed obstruction of justice to continue to mishandle the
  nation's secrets because he thinks he has a right to them
  
  Now, sending people to government-run tent cities after they are arrested for a misdemeanor crime puts that on par with internment camps.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  "Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post on the social network Truth Social"
  
  The rest I see as hyperbolic accusations
  
  He was saying, in my view, he feels a massive fraud occurred, and that this fraud of that magnitude -- has ALLOWED for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Since he created the fabricated reality of fraud, he's using a completely made up reason that he believes should allow him to throw out parts of the Constitution that are holding him back from unlawfully being able to remain in power. Just because he's delusional does not give him justification to set aside the Constitution to rule how he wants to.
  
  He's making the claim that if the candidate in power believes in their own mind, despite all evidence to the contrary, that there was fraud, the Constitutional framework that the country operates under is null and void. There is nothing more dangerous to the future of our country than someone with this thinking - someone willing to burn it all down just to get his way, a way that he was clearly not entitled to at all.
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Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago
God save America!
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks. We need the help.
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Sharlee01posted 2 years ago
Who announces a presidential campaign at dawn?

"Joe Biden’s early-morning video was as vacuous as his 2020 basement campaign — and no doubt the one he plans for 2024.

The endless quick cuts and zippy soundtrack made it look like an appeal to the TikTok generation, except the narrator at 80 could barely get his words out (and how many takes did even that require?).

"Without naming a single achievement (which would, after all, be tough), he ends by vowing to “finish the job.”

Finish the job, how in the hell more damage can this man do to America?

And that was when he wasn’t doing his weird “near-whisper to show I really mean it” schtick.

Specifics? We’ll get to the outright lies, but generally it was a vagueness about “freedom” and “rights.” In 2020, Donald Trump was the direct threat; now it is a horde of “MAGA extremists” who’re endangering the nation’s very soul that only SuperJoe can save.

From his bunker? Or from the vacations where he’s spent a quarter of his presidency?

Without naming a single achievement (which would, after all, be tough), he ends by vowing to “finish the

He’s already set record lows for facing the press, because his aides (rightly!) fear he’ll say something disastrous if allowed to go off-script.

His constant gaffes, garbled speech, mistruths, and ever-fading link with reality have only confirmed that he’s not fit to be the leader of the free world.

He bizarrely, falsely claims to know what it’s like to have had “a house burn down with my wife in it” and to have been arrested as a civil-rights activist.

He was raised in practically every racial or ethnic community there is.

His bigger lies are worse: His botched Afghanistan pullout was an unprecedented “success.”

Inflation would be temporary.

The crisis at the border was merely seasonal.

Biden lies to himself, too: He actually thinks he’s done a great job and the nation needs him to save it from Donald Trump — though Trump is likely the only GOP foe he can beat.

He’ll never admit his age disqualifies him.

And his handlers won’t, either, because they’re happily wielding the real power.

Americans see the problem: Some 70% of them, including more than half of Democrats, don’t want him to run per last month’s Yahoo News/YouGov poll (and matching every other poll).

In February, an AP-NORC poll found just 12% of Democrats thought Biden should be the party’s leader.

And 59% called him “too old to work in government,” per Reuters/Ipsos.

Yet this seemingly senile, ethically challenged octogenarian with a disastrous record and a horrific 54% disapproval rating is likely the best Dems can field.

As Rich Lowry notes, Biden’s general fecklessness makes him seem unthreatening — and thus excellent cover for his administration’s insanely left-wing policies.

So the party’s clearing the way for him, rearranging the primaries to avoid a dangerous surprise in Iowa or New Hampshire and so far not even scheduling any Democratic debates." https://nypost.com/2023/04/25/bidens-in … ce-for-it/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GP2MDgI7ic
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  "Who announces a presidential campaign at dawn?"
  
  But the rest of us pick on every little thing Trump does?
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Valeantposted 2 years ago
Wow, that was some manifesto from the New York Post Editorial Board.

'Funny not one word about anything that occurred during his three years in office. He clearly pandered openly without offering any solutions to our problems, actully not even touching on American's biggest conccens.'

Clearly most on the right didn't listen to the video, some of the biggest concerns are laid out in the first minute: Democracy, equality, the middle class over the wealthy, protection of rights such as freedom of choice and same-sex marriage and voting rights.

If passing legislation to build infrastructure (something Trump couldn't do in four years and Biden did in one), passing legislation to take care of wounded veterans (something Republicans voted down), passing legislation to lower drug costs for seniors, passing legislation to help the states recover from the pandemic are not easily identifiable achievements, then the right is just blind and living within their own reality still.
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  Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Valeant: I've said it before. The GOP has been so wrong about so much for so long, they are terrified someone else might actually be right about something - anything.
  
  That fear is on display in this discussion.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  'Funny not one word about anything that occurred during his three years in office. He clearly pandered openly without offering any solutions to our problems, actually not even touching on America's biggest concerns.'
  
  Clearly most on the right didn't listen to the video, some of the biggest concerns are laid out in the first minute: True. The author pointed out Biden did not touch on any ideas in regard to solutions.
  
  I added a link to the full video, in hopes some might have a look, and critique the video. If you did not notice I gave no view.
  
  I was pleased to see the bipartisan PACT Act passed and signed by Biden.
  
  I was pleased that the Inflation Reduction Act had the Prescription Drug Provisions dangling off it. The results have not been realized from either of Bidens American Rescue Plan Act. Some economists feel that that bill ushered us into inflation, and again we have not realized the effect of either large spending bill.
  
  Very few projects have been started in regard to infrastructure.
  I will not disparage his legislature, I think we have yet to see if the spending will help or ultimately hurt Americans.
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  tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  On projects, there are many started here in San Diego, Calif that are a result of the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA). I know a bridge local to me is being replaced and is over due. Give the link below a skim to see.
  
  County of San Diego
  2022 Annual Recovery Plan
  Performance Report
  American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA)
  State and Local Fiscal Recovery Funds
  July 29, 2022
  
  https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/ … Report.pdf
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I will be honest, it looks like a well-played-out plan. I don't have the time or energy to read all of the plans for projects. I am pleased to hear you will benefit from a new bridge.
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Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years ago
I'm exhausted. Some people won't be helped. Thank goodness they are the minority - more so with every election.

Val: Keep up the good fight.
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Sharlee01posted 2 years ago
Oh MY Gosh!

Biden was caught with crib notes detailing the reporter's question prior to calling on her during a press conference
Biden was informed of the journalist's question prior to calling on her, the paper reveals...

President Biden is no stranger to detailed cheat sheets when speaking to the press, but the president's team seems to have taken things up a notch after he revealed a pre-written question from a reporter during Wednesday's press conference.

As Biden spoke alongside South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol in the White House Rose Garden, a photographer captured a small cheat-sheet in the president's hand signaling he had advanced knowledge of a question from Los Angeles Times journalist Courtney Subramanian. The small paper also included a picture of the reporter along with the pronunciation breakdown of her last name. "Question #1" was handwritten at the top of the sheet, indicating the president should call on her first at the conclusion of his remarks.

"How are YOU squaring YOUR domestic priorities — like reshoring semiconductors manufacturing — with alliance-based foreign policy?" read the question in Biden's hand".

"The reporter, who was in fact called upon first but whose last name was omitted by the president, asked Biden, "Your top economic priority has been to build up U.S. domestic manufacturing in competition with China, but your rules against expanding chip manufacturing in China is hurting South Korean companies that rely heavily on Beijing. Are you damaging a key ally in the competition with China to help your domestic politics ahead of the election?"

A separate paper in Biden's hand revealed the names of administration officials in the order of their remarks. Both cheat sheets were dated April 26, 2023.

Biden has been ridiculed for relying on detailed cheat sheets in the past, with critics calling them an indication that the White House has lost faith in the 80-year-old commander-in-chief amid concerns about his mental acuity.

In March 2022, Biden displayed a list of prepared answers during a White House news briefing after his "this man cannot remain in power" comment about Russian President Vladimir Putin, which raised questions about his support for regime change in Russia."

Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkrNwulKrUk
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-cau … conference
https://nypost.com/2023/04/26/biden-che … -question/

Yikes and the left rags are not even reporting the Presidents need to have questions submitted before a press conference -- and crib notes on how to answer those questions

.I ask again -- What Do You Think --- Should Biden Run In 2024?

I am enjoying this thread, and learning a lot about the mindsets of those that are sharing.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Speaking of mindsets, the thought to say that a president that prepares before speaking to the press is a bad thing certainly exposes the mindset of those on the right who clearly prefer something more chaotic. But pretty sure we knew that based on who they are backing.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  LOL prepares... I like a president that can think on his feet, as well as be steady on his feet.
  
  Well, Trump never needed crib notes, or was he told who to call on? He also never made up mistruths about his life that included dead people.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  'He also never made up mistruths about his life that included dead people.'
  Are we on the left the only ones educated about the man that is your deity? Please take off your rose-colored glasses for a change.
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 … fred-trump
  
  'Well, Trump never needed crib notes...'
  I swear, the things you block out just to come on here and complain about is truly astonishing.
  
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  That was a paper Trump used to show stats to the press...
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ap- … s-of-paper
  
  He was using it to share his own view. This was a sheet he used in his presentation to the press. Titled " Mueller Probe by The Numbers"
  
  I do remember Trump saying his Dad was born in Germany.
  
  Not sure that stands up to using dead people as Biden often does in his stories. And making up by giving an Uncle a purple heart. Biden has a history in regard o making up stories that have been fact-checked as mistruths.
  https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/biden … nt-add-up/
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  -This was a sheet he used in his presentation to the press. Titled " Mueller Probe by The Numbers"
  So it was a cheat sheet. Also known as notes that he could reference as he spoke to the press.
  
  You said Trump never made up mistruths about his family that included dead people. Never. Not only once, accidentally. It happens to people in their 70's. It's not a big deal.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  It appeared he used the sheet as a presentation tool. enter at 8.48.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuHdNYMRjA8
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  IslandBitesposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Trump never needed crib notes, or was he told who to call on? He also never made up mistruths about his life that included dead people.
  
  Never? Are you sure? There were many times when he had those. The worse one being the one reminding him how to be compassionate.
  
  Dead people? Like his dad?
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Personally, I would prefer that a President (or anyone else answering public questions) not have time to prepare an answer of spin, twists and side stepping. I would prefer that they are forced to answer off the cuff - it makes the fake spin so much more obvious.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, I think off-the-cuff can tell you a lot about a person. Are they intelligent in regard to their job, if asked a question that pertains to that job? Are they intelligent enough to be transparent enough to say --- "I am not sure"... Hey, Biden is not capable of answering a straight-up question, IMO.
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IslandBitesposted 2 years ago
OH MY!

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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Are you sure those are not his own handwritten notes? Was he responding to a predesignated person he was told to call on? Was his answer all prepared?
  
  Photos are great if they hold any proof of your view. I have no idea if Trump wrote those notes, or was there a photo of who to call on?
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  IslandBitesposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  If you lived in the US during his presidency, you should know. There were many times he used notes.
  
  Maybe you forgot. That happens.
  
  You were wrong, that also happens. No worries.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  It is very normal for any president to have crib cards. Trump frequently read from notes - Many of his own handwritten notes.
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 203665001/
  
  In my view --- there is a big difference. Yesterday, the notes were typed, with photos of the person he is being instructed to call on... He then read the provided answer.
  
  Guess we just see this issue differently. I see it as non -productive, and unfair to the White House press. It also in my view, is a very political ploy that serves to promote just what the president wants to answer. The hard questions never get asked.
  
  I Agree, no problem.
  
  In fact - I award you a gold star sticker.
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  IslandBitesposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Aww thank you! Glad to help you remember.
  
  It is good that you accept you were wrong. Adults should admit it more often.
  
  You did, right?
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, agreed to disagree... My star was just offered to end the conversation, in a really kind way.
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  IslandBitesposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  More? Sure.
  
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Sharlee01posted 2 years ago
Should Biden be running for president with his failed record in regard to the economy?

It is clear to me that President Biden’s economic policies have been an utter failure. Despite his promises to create jobs, boost economic growth, and promote financial stability, the reality is that his policies have only hurt American workers and businesses.

One of the most damaging policies of Biden has been his massive spending package known as the American Jobs Plan. This $2.3 trillion spending spree was supposed to create millions of jobs and invest in infrastructure, but in reality, it has only led to inflation and increased government debt. The massive influx of government spending has led to a surge in inflation, with prices for everyday goods and services skyrocketing. This has hurt low-income workers and those on fixed incomes the most, as they have seen their purchasing power erode.

Furthermore, Biden’s proposed tax hikes on businesses and wealthy individuals have only served to discourage investment and entrepreneurship. The tax hikes are projected to reduce GDP by $1 trillion over the next decade and could lead to a decrease in job creation. This is particularly concerning, given that the economy is still recovering from the pandemic-induced recession.

President Biden has also been unable to address the ongoing supply chain crisis that has led to shortages and higher prices for goods across the board. His policies have failed to address the root causes of the crisis, such as the lack of infrastructure and skilled labor in certain industries. This has led to a sluggish economy and a decrease in consumer confidence.

Finally, his decision to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement has only served to hurt American businesses and workers. The agreement places significant burdens on the American economy, including stricter regulations and higher costs for energy and transportation. This has led to a decrease in competitiveness for American businesses and has hurt American workers who rely on these industries for their livelihoods.

In conclusion, it is clear that Biden’s economic policies have been a complete failure. From massive spending packages that have led to inflation and debt to tax hikes that discourage investment and entrepreneurship, his policies have only hurt American workers and businesses. Furthermore, his inability to address the ongoing supply chain crisis and his decision to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement have only served to worsen the economic outlook for the United States. As an economist, I urge President Biden to reconsider his policies and focus on promoting economic growth, job creation, and financial stability for all Americans.
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Valeantposted 2 years ago
If it was Biden's spending packages that led to inflation, then why has inflation been going down in the last year? Logic would say that as money got distributed from his plans, the inflation rate would have remained the same or gone up instead of being cut in half? Neither does your claim that it was Biden's spending that fueled the inflation make sense when you look globally and see that inflation was a common problem for many countries. Third, factor in the spending that added to the problem and the cuts to global oil production prior to Biden taking office that certainly had an effect.

Next, Biden's job growth, unemployment rate, and GDP numbers are second best when comparing every president since Lyndon Johnson. So to complain about some job losses and a GDP reduction that would raise tax revenue for a country that is $31 trillion in debt really ignores one solution to a problem that the GOP says they can fix by hurting the poorest Americans.

And whatever economist that last post was stolen from may be willing to ignore the climate crisis, but many Americans trust the science behind it and won't. So it's time to make some tough choices and not ignore the problem.

Now, if someone were to say that strong job growth and the second-highest GDP since the 60's was a complete failure, I'd say they were ignorant to much of how the economy is judged.
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Perspycaciousposted 2 years ago
Yes, Oresudebt Biden should run...back to Delaware.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  +10000000000
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Ken Burgessposted 2 years ago
Sharlee,

That was a sweet post you left me on my 'final forum' thread.

Thank you...

Save yourself some angst, the link below explains why it's not worth it. The system is broken, corrupt, beyond salvation.

https://youtu.be/4eTG32YC_Uw
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Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago
... we must vote for whoever can defeat Biden, weather you like his manner or not.
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  IslandBitesposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  So, not Trump. Got it.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we MUST. Biden must GO.
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