What Happened To The Democratic Party We Once Knew

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 7 weeks ago

    What happened to the Democratic Party we once knew? It seems that over the years, the party has shifted, and not in a way that resonates with the people who once felt truly represented by it. In the past, the Democratic Party prided itself on standing up for working-class Americans, fighting for civil rights, and promoting policies that helped the middle class thrive. But today, it feels like the party has moved further away from those core values.

    In my view, the modern Democratic Party has become entrenched in elitism. Instead of listening to the concerns of everyday citizens, they seem more focused on maintaining their power. The rhetoric from top-tier Democrats often comes across as dismissive, telling their supporters that they know what’s best. This attitude is most apparent when they push progressive policies without fully considering how they will affect the average American. Whether it’s on issues like healthcare, education, or immigration, it feels like the leadership is more concerned with the agenda of the elite than the voices of those they claim to represent.

    What’s worse is the way they now act as though they have all the answers, insisting that their way is the only way. While they demand change, it’s often change that comes from the top down, rather than a true conversation with the grassroots. Instead of uniting people, they’ve fostered division, and instead of empowering citizens, they’ve begun to foster a sense of dependency on government.

    For many of us, the Democratic Party used to be the champion of the people, the party that fought for the working class and the marginalized. But now, it feels as though it’s lost its way, more focused on keeping its grip on power than listening to those who feel forgotten. The party needs to remember that true leadership comes from understanding the struggles of everyday Americans, not from telling them what’s best for them. Until that happens, it’s hard to recognize the party it once was.

    Thoughts

    1. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      At one time, Republicans and democrats would vote, accept the results and get on with their lives.

      The democrats have changed things.  They now glorify cheating and are quite brazen about it.  They see nothing wrong with it if it helps them win.

      I think special interest groups have taken over the democrat party.  The far left is now in charge of making policy.  The moderate democrats are angry and confused.  They feel abandoned. Many are coming to the Republican party.  Big names.

      The shocking thing is how many democrats don't see that they are doing anything wrong.  They refuse to realize they've lost touch with the majority of Americans.  How we see things, our values, beliefs and more.

      In this past election, they didn't seem to get the significance of the landslide victory for President Donald Trump.  They lied, cheated, committed horrible things to stop him.  It didn't work.  The democrats did everything except work to make their party more acceptable to the American people.  President Donald Trump emerged as a person willing to sacrifice everything for America.  His fortune as well as his life. He endured the type of hell true heroes handle with grace.   

      The democrat party believes the American people are the problem.  Everything would be okay if they would just do what the far left wants done.  In the minds of the far left, they know better than the American people on how the American people should live their lives.  These are thoughts held by leaders in communist countries.

      In the future, the democrat party is going to have to do more than simply call their opponent names, provide platitudes and pat themselves on the back.  This last election proves all their accusations fell on deaf ears.  They are going to have to provide candidates that will reach out to the average working person.  Candidates the average working person finds relatable.  They need to stop depending on celebrity endorsements.  It doesn't work.  The democrat party has become the party of elitist snobs. 

      To successfully change, the democrat party will have to take a good look at itself and be honest.  It will have to embrace the mistakes that have been done and work to change. 

      This will require a huge reckoning.  I think the democrat party no longer has leaders that can do such a thing. 

      I miss the old democrat party that loved American and Americans.  The one now loves its special interests, hates America, Americans and thinks it knows better than all of us.

      Unless the democrat party changes, Republicans will be in charge of things for a long time.

      1. Willowarbor profile image58
        Willowarborposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        "they didn't seem to get the significance of the landslide victory for president donald trump. "

        This is a landslide??  In my book, this is continued division.  This is no mandate.





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        1. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yes,  312 electoral votes to 226 is a landslide victory.  Then there is the trifecta of having the White House, Senate, and the Congress.  The only places democrats won is where they usually win.  President Donald Trump took ALL of the swing states.  He took several states he lost in 2020.  No matter how you look at it what President Donald Trump accomplished was incredible and inspiring.

          He did this despite having 96% negative in the press.  He did this despite the vast number of blatant lies told about him on a daily basis. 

          Coming back after 2020 and enduring everything from lawfare from the democrats, 2 assassination attempts, being falsely vilified by the press on a daily basis has put him in the status of a living legend.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            It was a historic landslide for the Republican Party, which raises the question: what happened to the Democratic Party? You shared a thoughtful and detailed comment on this subject, which I truly appreciated. I believe your view aligns closely with my own perspective on the matter.

            1. wilderness profile image89
              wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              If the single state of Nevada had gone the way it did in 2020 (to Biden), the results would have been the same as it was in 2020, except reversed. 

              Yet Biden did not "win by a landslide".  Neither did Trump; to declare he did, and with a "mandate" from the people is silly.  He won the popular vote, after all, by only 3%. 

              We (some of us anyway) can all be glad he pulled it off, but to call it a "historic landslide" or a "mandate" is stretching it just a bit far.  Political exaggeration and "fluff", and with the same truth that comes from politicians in general, nothing more.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Trump made some significant strides in blue states like California and New York, and it's clear that the Republican Party is making inroads in areas where they’ve traditionally struggled. He picked up a larger share of the vote in these states than past Republicans, which is noteworthy and speaks to the changing political landscape. In New York City, for example, Trump's support grew by a substantial margin, and in California, his numbers also saw improvement, challenging the dominance of the Democratic Party in these states.

                While Biden did win the popular vote by 3% in Nevada, that’s hardly the kind of overwhelming victory that warrants such claims. The election was close.  My point, Trump's gains in traditionally blue areas should be taken very seriously.  It shows he has infiltrated the Democratic party.  This is in some ways historical, and rarely done.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image70
          Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          That's a load of garbage.... subtract CA which has a completely fraudulent election and count, and you might have a vague idea how far apart things really were.

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Get real, Ken, how do you subtract California, the nation's most populated state?

            Say what you want about California, but your statements about it its choices just appear to be just more partisan bias, in my opinion.

            The popular vote was close, so there is no Trump mandate. I and others are going to make sure that he is going to have a rough Row to hoe during his term.

            1. wilderness profile image89
              wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              That's the spirit!  Before you ever find out what might happen, declare it DOA; everything is a "rough Row to hoe" for the President once more.

              Never, ever, consider compromise, never consider working with the enemy, never even think that liberals went way too far in their social programs and the people just might not be so happy with their massive changes.  Don't even think that liberals just might be "progressing" not toward the utopia they claim is there, but a precipice to run off of like lemmings.

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Rough Roe to hoe?

                And it will be just that way if you assume that Trump policies are ever going to be accepted without conflict or controversy. We will offer the same level of "compromise" that you offered over the last 4 years... Trump's precipice is simply on the other side of the cliff, just as dangerous if not more so. Could it be that your tyrant-elect has not or will not go too far? So, If I were you, I would not expect smooth sailing in the coming years.

                1. wilderness profile image89
                  wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "We will offer the same level of "compromise" that you offered over the last 4 years..."

                  Me?  I offered no compromise at all, but then I am not in a position to compromise with anyone but my wife.  But I understand - no one compromises today, so you will not advocate being the first to be reasonable.  The first to try and bring America back to a single country instead of 2.  The first to try and heal the divide. 

                  You are in good company (or bad, depending on whether you wish the best for the country or for a specific political party) for no one else is offering compromise either.

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    I can agree that right now the only "boss" that I have is my wife. Such is the nature of things.

                    I can't afford to let my britches down, because the other side shows no desire to lighten up on the "double down". I doubt that we will ever be "one" country, not that we ever really were. No one on my side is going accept that the divide can only be healed  under the terms of our opposition. The terms of any such armistice will be considered unacceptable.  It is only in these times that that divide has become so toxic that it now  has the potential of threatening the very viability of our Union in the way that it hasn't in the past.

                    Yes, but you know something though, you never did answer my question from the other thread based on your pride of self reliance and such, and after I in fact was not merely on the receiving end of handouts, how I am any different from you?

            2. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Trump made a significant impact in both New York and California, as well as in many traditionally blue states. This trend should be a wake-up call for Democratic supporters—how much more should they ignore? I’ll let individuals draw their own conclusions, but the results are hard to overlook. ( for stats visit links I offered here in previous comment)

              I’m not sure what the Democrats will do during Trump’s second term, but they are certainly going to be evaluating their current path deeply. They are a smart, calculating party, and they know they face a serious challenge ahead. In my view, they will need to do some soul-searching, reevaluating how they engage with their supporters. They’ll have to move away from the tendency to talk at people or, in some cases, down to them—and instead, show more respect and understanding for where the electorate is.

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                As for the significant impact, I read that. This is true, my thoughts and concerns are so much different from that of other citizens in this regard, I simply don't trust him. I don't care for the MAGA upset apple cart style, as I am the one that going to be hit with whatever falls.

                Yes, the party needs to reassess and rearm, but not give up. Perhaps, we just need to let the American people see for themselves the horror that they unwittingly unleashed upon themselves.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I believe I understand what you mean when you say you’re not a fan of the MAGA "upset the apple cart" approach—it makes sense, especially if you feel like you’re the one left dealing with the fallout. I also respect that your perspective is shaped by your own life experiences, just as mine is shaped by mine.

                  While none of us can predict the future, I don’t share the feeling that horrors are on the horizon. In fact, I feel optimistic and even a bit of the excitement I used to feel long ago when a new president took office. I see a leader who’s appointing people whose views align with mine, which is encouraging. I also see some fresh and promising projects being highlighted, and I hope that, in time, you might find something in the new administration that resonates with you, too.

                  You know what, though? I really appreciate that you took the time to comment on the original post’s subject. That means a lot.

                  Sometimes you piss me off. LOL   Today was not one of those days.

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Now, what would you do if I wasn’t around to piss you off now again, it would be a pretty boring forum, I’d say? I am going to piss many right leaning people off, but isn’t that half of the fun?

                    I will always be glad to offer commentary, I just can’t guarantee that it will always be well received.

                    Your first paragraph was exactly on the mark, I could not have said it better.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Let it be known Trump did pick up more votes in California during the 2024 election compared to 2020. His vote share showed an increase, especially in traditionally blue areas of the state. Despite California's overall strong Democratic lean. The precise percentage increase has not been confirmed yet, due to slowness in counting in the state.

            Trump also saw a notable increase in support in New York in the 2024 election. He garnered more than 44 percent of the vote, which was a significant improvement from his 2020 performance, where he received about 38 percent. This jump marked the closest a Republican candidate had come to narrowing the margin in the state since George H.W. Bush in 1988​
            THE NEW YORK SUN
            POLITICO

            Trump's vote share also surged in New York City, with his support increasing by 20 percent in Manhattan and 16 percent in Queens, compared to 2020. These gains represent a shift in New York's traditionally strong Democratic base, and in fact, Harris saw a dip in support within the city THE NEW YORK SUN
            https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2 … k-00187703
            https://www.nysun.com/article/trump-vot … in-decades

            The Democratic party has been breached. If Trump does a good job in the next four, they are toast for a long time to come. It is now obvious even in the media that they are recognizing they have a problem.
            .

            1. Ken Burgess profile image70
              Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              What are the going bets that we even get there?

              You know Biden is escalating the war against Russia?

              What are the chances of us making it to Jan 20th again?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Yes, Biden is clearly betting on Trump struggling to resolve the war in Ukraine, and it seems like an odd and counterproductive move on his part. Biden appears to be unwilling to allow Trump a chance to demonstrate his ability to settle the war, opting instead to escalate the conflict. This speaks volumes to me—it's a cheap, harmful tactic to undermine Trump’s peace efforts.

                However, I believe Trump is always a step ahead of Biden—though honestly, that wouldn’t be difficult to accomplish. Reports suggest Trump has been engaging in discussions with Zelensky. I find Zelensky to be a sharp, intelligent leader, and I’m confident he’ll appreciate the support Trump is offering. In fact, Trump could have easily said, "It’s peace, or you’re on your own," which, knowing Trump, would be a practical, common-sense approach to push for peace. And we know dam well if Trump backs away from supporting the bill--- so will NATO.

                Trump has always had a somewhat skeptical stance on NATO, seeing it as burdensome for the U.S. and questioning its strategic value. During his presidency, he repeatedly pushed for NATO countries to increase their defense spending, arguing that the U.S. shouldn’t be shouldering the financial burden alone. So, it wouldn't be surprising if, in dealing with the Ukraine war, Trump takes a different approach, possibly aiming to reduce U.S. involvement in NATO-related matters or negotiate peace without considering or relying on the alliance.  I very much doubt he would even involve them.

                I have faith that Trump, with his deal-making background, could find a way to bring the war to an end. His approach to foreign policy tends to be direct and pragmatic, and he has shown an ability to negotiate and make bold moves, as seen with his past efforts like engaging North Korea and moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. It's entirely plausible that he could leverage his negotiation skills and tough stance to secure peace,  by pressuring Ukraine and Russia for a deal.

                One thing I have noted when watching Trump he uses carrot, stick mindset. The difference he offers only a stick first, then the option for a carrot.  Strength up front.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image70
                  Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  You presume that they will not escalate the war prior to Trump being sworn in.

                  That would not be a wise presumption... chances are very good that the people within the Biden Administration and UK/EU that want war with Russia will have forced the Russians to escalate by that time.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    I think Biden has already proven yesterday he is trying to escalate the war. No doubt.  Yes NATO will be all for the escalation. I presume Trump is already in negotiations with at best Zelinsky to settle the war.

                    Again just my view --- However, I believe Trump is always a step ahead of Biden—though honestly, that wouldn’t be difficult to accomplish. Reports suggest Trump has been engaging in discussions with Zelensky. I find Zelensky to be a sharp, intelligent leader, and I’m confident he’ll appreciate the support Trump is offering. In fact, Trump could have easily said, "It’s peace, or you’re on your own," which, knowing Trump, would be a practical, common-sense approach to push for peace. And we know dam well if Trump backs away from supporting the bill--- so will NATO.

                    It's hard to get any info on what is going on in the war.  Has Ukraine started using long-range weapons that were previously restricted?  Biden granted permission for Ukraine to use long-range missiles only yesterday. I would like to know if they have immediately started using them.

                2. Willowarbor profile image58
                  Willowarborposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "Biden appears to be unwilling to allow Trump a chance to demonstrate his ability to settle the war, opting instead to escalate the conflict. "

                  Absolutely no one is stopping Trump from doing anything... Demonstrate away!  He promised to settle the conflict before he takes office.  The clock is ticking.   

                  Biden gave the green light for Ukraine to use long range missiles in response to Putin bringing in North Korean soldiers.   All is fair.   

                  Why didn't Trump talk Putin out of using North Koreans??

                  1. wilderness profile image89
                    wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    I doubt Trump will "demonstrate away".  The last time he had anything at all t do with a demonstration (telling them to "march peacefully") he was suddenly accused of trying to overthrow the US government. 

                    What would be the claim if he demonstrated for peace in Ukraine?  That he is trying to destroy the Earth, or maybe the Solar System?  Or something smaller - maybe that he hates Russian children and wants to kill them all?

                    No, I don't think Trump will demonstrate for Ukraine.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Your immaturity is showing. It is clear Biden has escalated the war, and this is a vile act. Instead of trying to negotiate he continues to provoke. He is willing to provoke with little care for the citizens of Ukraine.

                    "Why didn't Trump talk Putin out of using North Koreans??"

                    What is more important-- why didn't Biden... 

                    As I have shared, I have faith that Trump will generate peace, and if not he will withdraw from the war altogether.  He has promised the US peace and no wars, and I think that will be a promise he will keep. I can only feel he is presently working on bringing peace through negotiations. As I shared he has been in contact with Zelinsky. We have no way of knowing what he is presently doing. You may have jumped the gun --- he may well end the war swiftly. he was elected less than two weeks ago.

                    I have no more time to waste on your comments --- I have been polite, but I don't find people who ruminate add to the conversation.

                  3. Ken Burgess profile image70
                    Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    It is not fair...

                    There are rules to war... to escalation...

                    Russia stated plainly, detailed, in policy, in statements, what it would do if American (and UK/NATO) missiles rained down on Russia...

                    Ukraine has no such missiles...

                    Ukraine does not have the trained soldiers or access to intel required to use such missiles...

                    Russia would be 100% in the right for striking at American targets within America for openly attacking Russia.

                    The North Korean soldiers are expelling/killing foreigners from within Russia.

                    If there were not forces occupying Russian territory, then you might have a point... but there are foreign troops within Russia, so North Korea meeting out its military obligations to Russia, within Russia's borders, is not an issue.

                    America... supplying and shooting long range missiles in to Russia IS an issue and IS an escalation... one that should be met with nuclear deterrence from Russia... and hitting within America.

                    And you can thank Biden and that crew of Democrats for WWIII if it happens.

                    https://youtu.be/Go--8rh8Kx0?t=555

              2. Willowarbor profile image58
                Willowarborposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                "You know Biden is escalating the war against Russia?

                But Trump promised to settle that before he even takes office...lol no worries there!

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  This is the essence of what he has shared in interviews and rallies.
                  "Yes, Trump has repeatedly stated that he would work to end the war in Ukraine quickly if elected. He has suggested that he could negotiate a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, leveraging his diplomatic skills. Trump has also criticized the Biden administration's handling of the war, asserting that under his leadership, the conflict would not have escalated to its current level.

                  I have heard several reporters that he has had conversations with Zelinsky. Yes, Ukrainian President Zelenskyy did meet with  Trump during his recent visit to the U.S. This meeting took place at Trump Tower in New York in late September 2024.  And it's been reported they have had several phone calls with Trump.

                  Biden took a step to escalate the war yesterday, and Putin has responded by revising his nuclear doctrine, which appears to be a threat. This has led NATO to issue warnings to its citizens, essentially preparing them for potential war. Was it wise for Biden to provoke Putin like this? In my view, no. Biden's series of missteps has left our nation grappling with serious issues, and this latest move only adds to the tension and uncertainty.

                  With the new problem Biden has caused, it's clear that NATO and the U.S. seem determined to push for a broader conflict. NATO is pushing for a war in Ukraine, aiming for U.S. involvement on the ground. They seem bent on escalating things while they still can. Will it work or backfire? Time will tell, but my instincts say this could have major repercussions, and the consequences could end up being far more severe than they anticipate.


                  My common sense tells me this could backfire. Yes, they may get their war, but Trump would pull the U.S. out of NATO, leaving them with a massive conflict to handle on their own. Without U.S. support, they’d be stuck footing the bill, sending their own troops, and trying to manage the war without the resources and backup NATO offers. The outcome could end up much worse than they expected.

                  I have strong faith that Trump will act swiftly to resolve this war regarding the US participation, due to Bidens latest act that has escalated the war.  While I can’t predict if he’ll end it for NATO,  he’s made it clear that we won’t send our citizens to die overseas. I believe Zelenskyy understands the bigger picture and the manipulation of his country. He’ll likely join forces with Trump and attempt to end the war before Ukraine is lost forever without the support of the US. 

                  I have full confidence that Trump will prevent the U.S. from supporting a war that has devastated Ukraine. He is not responsible for the war or its escalation—that blame lies with Biden, a man whose mental decline should have led to his removal years ago. Biden has put the U.S. and NATO on the brink of a world war. I’m grateful Trump will put America first and won’t engage in conflicts unless we’re directly attacked on our soil.

                  Do I think Trump will work to bring a peaceful end to the war, especially after Biden’s escalation? Absolutely. I believe he will make ending the conflict a top priority and do everything in his power to resolve it swiftly.

                  It will be hard due to NATO as well as Biden wanting a full-scale war, as Ken has predicted for a couple of years.

                  How does one support such an inept president?

                  1. Willowarbor profile image58
                    Willowarborposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    "but Trump would pull the U.S. out of NATO, leaving them with a massive conflict to handle on their own."

                    In 2023, Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Marco Rubio (Little Marco.) authored legislation requiring that any presidential decision to exit NATO must have either two-thirds Senate approval or be authorized through an act of Congress. Lawmakers passed the measure as part of the fiscal 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, which President Joe Biden signed. 

                    "Yes, Trump has repeatedly stated that he would work to end the war in Ukraine quickly if elected."

                    "That is a war that's dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president," the Republican said during his debate with Vice President Kamala Harris .. Anxiously awaiting. 

                    "Biden took a step to escalate the war yesterday,"

                    Putin chose to escalate, not Biden.  Putin escalated by sending thousands of North Korean soldiers into Ukraine. 

                    "I believe Zelenskyy understands the bigger picture and the manipulation of his country. He’ll likely join forces with Trump and attempt to end the war

                    To give away his country after fighting Putin for years?  Seems doubtful.  And  what of Putin?  To turn around and retreat with nothing he came for  after fighting for years? Neither scenario seems likely for either man.

                    I’m grateful Trump will put America first and won’t engage in conflicts unless we’re directly attacked on our soil.

                    In April 2017, Trump authorized the dropping of 59 cruise missiles against Syria.    Trump also  ordered the killing of Iranian general Soleimani, leading Iran to launch missiles against U.S. forces in Iraq. The retaliatory strikes left dozens of U.S. service members with traumatic brain injuries that he  downplayed as "headaches."

                    It will be hard due to NATO as well as Biden wanting a full-scale war, as Ken has predicted for a couple of years.

                    When has NATO called for a full scale war? As far as Ken's predictions...?  A full scale depression for our country, he predicted Harris would win also!

                2. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I don’t find this issue in the least bit humorous. Biden has escalated the war, and this is evident from Putin’s swift nuclear threat and NATO’s warning to its citizens. These actions show just how serious the situation has become, and it’s concerning that such dangerous steps are being taken under his leadership. We currently have a president who is cognitively impaired and should in no respect be in charge at such a time. Yesterday, NATO officials emphasized the importance of being prepared for potential conflict with Russia, underscoring the gravity of the situation as they ramp up military readiness in response to heightened tensions. These warnings from both NATO and Putin highlight how fragile the situation has become.

        3. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Trump’s Electoral College victory in 2016 was significant as it showcased his ability to win critical battleground states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, flipping regions that had traditionally leaned Democratic. This win marked a major shift in the Republican Party's strategy, emphasizing working-class and rural voters.

          Trump's success in 2024 further cemented his historic position, making him the first Republican since George W. Bush in 2004 to win both the Electoral College and the popular vote, signaling a broader realignment in American political coalitions.

          More Importantly ---- Trump’s 2024 victory included breaking through key Democratic strongholds and gaining significant votes in traditionally blue states. While specific numbers detailing his performance in blue states compared to past Republican candidates were not highlighted, his win included flipping every 2020 swing state Biden carried and securing 312 Electoral College votes, one of the most dominant Republican showings in recent history. This sweep demonstrated his appeal across a diverse voter base, including areas previously leaning Democratic​.

          It is evident that Trump has deeply dented the Democratic party, and if he is successful most likely will keep them out of power for a long period.

          Source to substantiate my post rated moderate liberal bias.  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … 42784.html

          1. Willowarbor profile image58
            Willowarborposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            "it is  evident that Trump has deeply dented the Democratic party,"

            Did Biden dent the Republican party when he won by an even more overwhelming 7 million votes?

            Trump's "mandate" certainly isn't as robust as Biden's was in 2020.

            1. wilderness profile image89
              wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              We were constantly told during the election process that the turnout was even greater than in 2020, which was phenomenal.   Turnout in 2024 dwarfed that of 2020.

              When all was said and done, though, total votes cast in 2024 went down 5 million from 2020.  What happened?  Were there 5 million+ "mail in" ballots counted that were never sent by voters in 2020?  That extra 5 million votes came right at the end, were from mail in's and swung the election to Biden...

              I really do begin to ask just how much fraud was in the 2020 election.  We all know there was some - illegal voters, illegal ballots being counted, etc.  But when the increase in votes resulted in a decrease in total votes one must wonder.  If, anyway, one is not a liberal that knows all elections are fair without ever looking.

              1. Willowarbor profile image58
                Willowarborposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                "Were there 5 million+ "mail in" ballots counted that were never sent by voters in 2020?  That extra 5 million votes came right at the end, were from mail in's and swung the election to Biden..."

                And yet absolutely no one, anywhere has been smart enough to come up with one shred of evidence of any sort of large scale fraud...

                1. Ken Burgess profile image70
                  Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  When you make it illegal to check for ID...

                  Your entire election (CA) is fraudulent and without good merit.

                  Just another banana republic (CA) made in the mold of Venezuela.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Trump picked up good percentages in Blue states, such as California and New York --- the strongholds of the Dem party, as in many other blue states. in my view, he well dented the party.

              Biden picked up popular votes from two states --- NY and Cal the very states Trump dented. This is in my view almost historical.

    2. tsmog profile image85
      tsmogposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Good OP Question while 'What Happen' doesn't mean it was for the worse. Frankly, being ignorant of party history of any party, at this time I could only fathom wild guesses. One is not only has the Democrats moved toward the extreme, yet also the Republican Party while some to many question if both traditional parties exist today. Or, at least the emphasized guiding principles and values aren't the same.

      I'll put this OP question in my 'Look into' folder in my PC. I say that because a cursory peek I see the question isn't novel. Pew Research has several studies available on the theme dating at least back to 2017. However, that study is more of a snapshot within time giving measurement to change from a starting point. That starting point in the paper is 1994.

      The Partisan Divide on Political Values Grows Even Wider (Oct 5, 2017)
      https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-conte … elease.pdf

      another I discovered is . . .

      The polarization in today’s Congress has roots that go back decades by Pew Research (Mar 10, 2022)
      https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads … k-decades/

      Its reference point is 1972. One excerpt is . . .

      "Between the 92nd Congress of 1971-72 and the current 117th Congress, both parties in both the House and the Senate have shifted further away from the center, but Republicans more so."

  2. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 7 weeks ago

    I feel like my original post got completely hijacked. While we extended some politeness to the off-topic stuff, it’s obvious this turned into a well-planned diversion. Let’s get back to what I originally wanted to discuss—“What happened to the Democratic Party?”

    In some ways, this diversion highlights exactly what’s gone wrong with the Democratic Party. They’ve become masters of sidestepping issues that matter most to Americans. Instead of focusing on bread-and-butter topics like the economy, jobs, or border security, they pivot to distractions that suit their narrative. This party once claimed to champion the working class, yet now they push policies and messages that feel disconnected from middle America.

    It’s not just about the issues; it’s also about tactics. The party has conditioned much of society to accept half-truths and one-liners as substitutes for real debate. They’ve trained people to deflect when confronted with uncomfortable facts—dismissing concerns with catchy soundbites instead of providing substance. This behavior, in my view, reflects a broader shift: from a party of solutions to a party of diversions.

    So, what do you think? Is the Democratic Party still addressing the real needs of Americans, or have they strayed too far from their roots? Is the party on the way out altogether?

  3. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 7 weeks ago

    For anyone who doubts the ability of the Ukrainian army on the battlefield you can watch this report from Siversk.  This report was filed yesterday.  I'm sharing the English version of it.

    Russia is not doing well.  They are not in a good position to negotiate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0uPHbBVPjo

 
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