Police Gone Wild

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  1. My Esoteric profile image85
    My Esotericposted 2 months ago

    I thought it useful to create a forum to track the many instances of law enforcement abusing their power. This one starts of with a Las Vegas case where the LV Police and two detectives fabricated evidence to convict a woman of murder. She was just awarded $34 million for her wrongful conviction.

    I no longer trust the police to do the right thing, especially if you are black.  Rather than an half percent or 1 % being bad, it has gotten to significant levels. With the election of the criminal and sexual predator Trump, I will no longer trust the FBI as he weaponizes them and reinstitutes the culture of J. Edgar Hoover.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/14/us/kirst … index.html

    1. wilderness profile image90
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Are you sure?  There are about 1,280,000 law enforcement officers in the country; 1% is 12,800 bad cops.  Personally I doubt there are actually even that many bad ones, although there are many that are only semi-competent.  They just the ones that end up in the news.

      I will certainly not trust the FBI as Democrats reinstituted the culture of J Edgar and persecuted Trump and anyone remotely connected to him for the last 8+ years.

      In truth, though, I would trust the cop on the beat to do the right thing for the man in the street far, far more than I would the politician in Congress, especially if you are white, black, brown, yellow, red or any other color.  Congress has gone quite racist in it's efforts to gain votes (or at least Democrats have) and it shows.

      1. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Trump is a criminal and sexual predator. Even if he had been persecuted, which he wasn't, he richly deserved it for being the mob boss that he is.

        It is a common refrain from those who support dictators like Putin and Maduro, the opposition is out to get their hero whether they deserve it or not.

        I do agree that Congress has become useless. There is only a minority, mostly Democrats, who still believe in America for America. The rest are beholden to Trump or the extreme left.

        1. wilderness profile image90
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Trump Trump Trump and more Trump.

          It would be nice if you would respond to a post just once instead of again veering off onto Trump.

          1. My Esoteric profile image85
            My Esotericposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Sorry if the truth hurts.

            1. wilderness profile image90
              wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              The "truth" was that we do not have a massive number of bad cops - that even the 1% you mentioned is probably not there.

              But instead of looking at reality you diverted onto Trump and opened up your personal TDS.  Because you don't want to look at reality or because of your affliction with Trump?

              1. My Esoteric profile image85
                My Esotericposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Even people from the other side of the pond see the major policing problem we have. They see the reality that those of us who aren't indoctrinated see and not the Pollyanna view of the MAGA world.

                1. wilderness profile image90
                  wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Perhaps they do - certainly we're the laughing stock of the world with the demand to defund police and create anarchy.  The left really stuck their foot in it with that stupidity.

                  But it was really about the number of bad cops - you still didn't bother to address the notion that there are multiples of what is actually out there.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image59
                    Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    That's a misrepresentation of the "defund" the police movement.  The idea wasn't to bankrupt police forces. The idea was to use a little more money for either training or to bring in other individuals to address areas that police generally are ill prepared (and have struggled mightily) to handle....one of them being the mentally ill and those under the influence of drugs.

              2. My Esoteric profile image85
                My Esotericposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Oh, and why can't we definitively prove the numbers? Because cops won't report them. But, there have been some studies:

                Public and Professional Perceptions:

                For instance, a 2020 study of Chicago's police force found that 4-5% of officers accounted for nearly 50% of all complaints. This number could be lower if they didn't protect their own.

                Other studies show many officers are reluctant to report misconduct by peers, complicating efforts to track the true prevalence of "bad cops." For example, a study by the National Institute of Justice reported that up to 46% of officers admit to witnessing misconduct but choosing not to report it.

                1. wilderness profile image90
                  wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Unfortunately you, and the studies you mention, have an axe to grind; all are designed and intended to prove there are lots of bad cops instead of finding out if it is true. 

                  There is zero doubt that there are bad cops out there, just as there was zero doubt there was voter fraud in the 2020 election.  But we don't get a handle on just how many, how prevalent it is, by simply stating "This number could be lower if they didn't protect their own." just as we didn't get a handle on voter fraud by saying "you have no standing in this court".  Even the report that "up to 46% of officers admit to witnessing misconduct but choosing not to report it." doesn't mean much; the number could be 2%, it could be 15% or 46%.  It just couldn't be 47%.  Unfortunately the immediate reaction is to jump right to the 46% number as if it were gospel, but it isn't.  The ONLY thing the statement says is that it cannot be OVER 46%.

                  But here - let me throw some questions out, questions that SHOULD be asked but you don't.  The 4-5% of officers accounting for 50% of complaints - where are they?  In the slums and violence ridden inner cities or in Beverly Hills?  Are they randomly distributed or serving where the cries to disband police are?  I know you don't know, but if you're truly interested in finding an answer, shouldn't you investigate?

                  Just what kind of "complaints" are received on those 4-5%?  Judging from what I hear from both victims families AND their supporting friends, neighbors and other observers, the complaints usually (estimated over 50%) don't make sense.  Of those 50% of complaints, how many are investigated and found to actually report something wrong beyond the most minor?  Again, I recognize that you don't know, but shouldn't you if you are going to discuss it?

                  As we continue to require more and more expertise and more and more perfection of our cops, what does that do to the perception of wrongdoing?  Raise it or lower it?  When we demand that our cops be expert, trained psychologists experienced and knowledgeable in handling mentally ill people does it raise or lower the expectations and thus the complaints received?

                  Are you seriously demanding that cops stand ready at the drop of a hat to accuse their fellow officers of even minor wrongdoings - the very people that the cop depends on for their very life?  I would have to question just what they admit to witnessing but do not report; a cigarette in public or bashing a head against a wall for no perceptible reason?  This, too, you don't know, but don't you think you SHOULD know if you're going to use it to demonize cops?

                  I could go on and on, and so could you but you won't.  Will you even THINK about what I've said here, or push it away because it doesn't support the assumption that we have a LOT of bad cops out there?

                  1. My Esoteric profile image85
                    My Esotericposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    How do you know those studies have an ax to grind. Is it simply because they find things that you don't agree with?

                    And how do you know that I have an ax to grind? I once had the same Pollyanna view toward the police that you do. Fortunately, reality finally convinced me I was wrong.

                  2. My Esoteric profile image85
                    My Esotericposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I and others will keep reporting these stories and sooner or later you will come to realize, like I did, that there is a serious problem in our law enforcement that needs addressing.

                    Recent studies show that between 47% and 56% of Americans do not have confidence they will be treated fairly in an encounter with a cop (I am in that group even though my last encounter with a cop went well).  In past studies, that number use to be much lower. 

                    That horrible results is from the "one bad apple" syndrome. It can be fairly stated that if the police policed their own, that feeling wouldn't be so high.  But all people see are reports of cops doing bad things and finding out it wasn't investigated, or it was swept under the rug, or somehow ignored in other ways.

                    Are there enough bad cops to warrant that feeling? No, I don't think so, but that is the way people feel which makes a cops job much harder. It is the same as people "feeling" the economy was poor when it demonstrably was not or that Biden caused inflation, which he logically did not. The result is America having to put up with at a minimum four years of chaos and at worst the destruction of our democracy as we are turned into an image of the Russian state.

                    And now that J. Edgar Hoover Jr. is going to run the FBI, I will probably lose my faith in them as well.

    2. peterstreep profile image82
      peterstreepposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      On Tuesday, Florida’s Lakeland police department charged Briana Boston, a 42-year-old mother of three, with threats to conduct a mass shooting or act of terrorism.

      What did Boston do, exactly? She was rude to a customer service representative. Boston had reportedly just had a medical claim denied by her health insurance company, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and allegedly said to the person on the phone: “Delay, deny, depose. You people are next.”

      The judge has set her bond at $100,000. The charge is a second-degree felony, which could be punished by up to 15 years in prison if she is convicted.

      Is the police and law system gone mad in the US or what!

      1. GA Anderson profile image81
        GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, the US (and most 'enlightened' Western Nations) police and laws have gone mad. They see an upside-down world where words are more important than actions as the one to strive for.

        GA

        1. peterstreep profile image82
          peterstreepposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          It shows that the law is measuring with different measurement tapes... One for the ordinary people and one for the rich and famous. Nothing new here...

  2. Venkatachari M profile image86
    Venkatachari Mposted 2 months ago

    Why do we try to tag the whole group if some particular person is corrupt or bad? I do also feel enraged or biased often. But, I try to be normal because all of us can have our own weaknesses and prejudices.

    1. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      I believe most of us think that most cops on the beat are honest and trying to do a good job. But I can't say the same of its leadership.

      The leadership appear to be much more tolerant of cops who do bad things than they used to be which then emboldens other bad cops to act out.  And when they are in a community who think that cops can do no wrong, it gets even worse because those cops who are held accountable are often let go by a sympathetic jury, especially if the victim is a minority.

  3. My Esoteric profile image85
    My Esotericposted 7 weeks ago

    It just doesn't stop, does it. A black inmate beat to death by four white officers while his hands were handcuffed behind his back.

    The police are lucky, I don't think NY is a death penalty state.  But, they should be released into the general population of the worst prison NY has.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/27/us/marcy … index.html

 
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