Why can't we call a "terrorist" a "terrorist" ?

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manlypoetrymanposted 14 years ago
I don't get...the P.C. Climate that is so afraid to call an "Ace"; an "Ace" or a "Spade"; a "Spade".

Austin kamikaze pilot (yesterday) = Terrorist
Christmas underwear bomber = Terrorist
Ft. Hood Army Base Shooter = Terrorist
Timothy McVeigh- OKC Federal Building Bomber = Terrorist

There....now was that...that hard to say!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Manly,
  
  Do you know how to correct the problem? Call things as they truly are, by due diligence about the facts.
  
  Btw- lose the P.C. B.S. and let the truth fly.
  
  Political Correctness is just a deceptive practice to teach people how to lie like politicians.
  
  Just a thought.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well said...See them politicians...are trying to brainwash us...and make us talk the "double-talk"...like them!
  
  "Hey...you talking the "double-talk"...or something?" Quote from Curly Howard.
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  Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't aware that we couldn't call a terrorist a terrorist. In fact, I don't think I've ever called them anything else.
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  Christopher Floydposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody told me I couldn't call a terrorist a terrorist. Nobody even tried. What our dumbly elected officials may decide we should or should not say is irrelevant to me, and only becomes relevant when we give them the authority to go all 1984 on us. Not gonna happen. I'm too American for that.
  
  Although in the case of Timothy McVeigh, I tend to use words I can't put on Hubpages.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen to saying what you mean and meaning what you say.
  
  Modern-day "political correctness" stinks and should be exposed for its folly and aggression and tyranny, and done away with.
  
  Who says you can't call a terrorist a terrorist? Obama? Pelosi? The rest of the liberal agenda? They may make it tough, but they don't realize who they're messing with.
  It's a war of words and a war about our freedoms.
  Worth fighting.
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Billy Jeanposted 14 years ago
nicely put, thanks
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
You don't understand Manly, according to the progressive/liberal jellied mind, the terrorist term only applies to americans who don't agree with them and american soldiers. An actual terrorist, whether they're muslim or what-have-you is a freedom fighter!!!!

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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Scott Roeder, murderer of high-profile abortion clinic doctor George Tiller = Terrorist
  
  This progressive/liberal jellied mind thunk that all up on her own.
  
  FK - This progressive/liberal is also engaged to a former soldier who survived three tours in Vietnam, a hostage rescue attempt, and several other life-endangering scenarios and he most certainly is NOT a terrorist nor are American soldiers in general.
  
  You are are displaying incredible ignorance and are a discredit to conservatives (if that's what you call yourself) everywhere.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who (as in a particular party or aligned thinking) then is preventing the calling of a "Terrorist"...from being called a "Terrorist" ?
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have absolutely no idea. You're the one who asserted it. Perhaps you could provide some evidence of your thinking?
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nahh...I know that I hear the media...and the current administration...side-steppin' around the term "terrorist" lately...that's enough for me to form an opinion on!
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, okay.
  
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is starting to sound like an Abbott and Costello routine
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's your opinion and your welcome to it and I stand by my assessment of the situation.
  
  I don't confuse criminals with terrorists, I think that definitely muddies the terrorist label.
  
  I'm glad that you as a progressive/liberal do not consider your fiance a terrorist. But I think many of your cohorts, who don't know many people in armed services, do.
  
  Also, my opinion is mine and you shouldn't project it to all conservatives who have a range of opinions.
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you're entitled to your opinion. So what?
  
  Terrorists are also criminals. There is no muddying of labels.
  
  I don't personally know a single progressive/liberal who thinks people in the armed services are terrorists. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but I certainly don't think enough of them do for you to be making generalizations and expect others to just buy into it.
  
  I didn't project it to all conservatives; I did exactly the opposite in saying that you are a discredit to conservatives.
  
  I'm marrying a conservative and I know they're not all like you.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So what means you don't get it. It refers to calling me ignorant just because you don't agree with me. Duh! I'm not the one who makes personal attacks because someone has a different opinion than me.
  
  And you did project because you were trying to shame me and then aligning my opinions with conservatives when they have nothing to do with it.
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I get it, I just don't see how it pertains to anything. You're entitled to your opinion; I'm entitled to mine. SO WHAT?
  
  No, I did not project, it's just easier for you to categorize me the way you want to by saying I did. Let me repeat myself very very clearly: YOU are not a representative of all conservatives. YOUR blatant negative stereotyping of an entire class of persons based on their political beliefs is actually embarrassing to some conservatives.
  
  Only you can feel ashamed. I can't make you feel that way and I would never try.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well good because I don't feel ashamed and I think you're amusing. Stick around.
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  chasingcarsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh wrong in so many ways. You conservos have just bought so thoroughly into rebranding that you don't know our original English language. I call the new language Turdblossom after your gris eminence, Carl Rove. Some of us were educated into, you know, English. You miss the point entirely; terrorist or criminal, the creeps get the same law as any creep arrested by a law abiding government and you know, the Constitution--the one Bush called just a "F..k.ing piece of paper".
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So what you posted was English?
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you need to check the English dictionary on "conservos"...and what's more...check with the P.C. Police...I know that one's not on the acceptable terminalogy list!
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  Christopher Floydposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ChasingCars,
  Gris? As in gris gris? As in voodoo? What the hell are you talking about?
  And, constitutionally, enemy combatants are NOT eligible for the same protection of law as criminals.
  Site me a reference where Bush called the Constitution an F-ing piece of paper. Something other than Kos Kids, please.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was Obama who called it a "piece of paper". And it is Obama who is blurring the lines of the definition of the word terrorist -
  
  about Fort Hood - "let's not jump to conclusions that this is a terrorist act"
  about the abortion dr. - "this was a terrorist act"
  
  And yeah, "enemy combatants are NOT eligible for the same protection of law as criminals."
  
  But that's as far as my unjellied mind can go
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manlypoetrymanposted 14 years ago
HHHmmm...Let me see if I got this right, FK...You are a "Freedom Fighter" instead of a "Terrorist" (because that is bad)...when you take out buildings and innocent people...but if you go to a "Tea Party"...it is Ok to call you a "teabagger" or for a conservative talk show host to be called a "Neocon"...just please don't insult the "Freedom Fighter" by calling him a "Terrorist"!...

Does that about sum it up?
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
The progressive/liberal mind at work! You go it.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow...how do they keep track of who says what and why...what's OK ? That is pretty impressive. There must be someone sitting in an office somewhere...dictating what can be said that is P.C. and what is not...Otherwise...How do we really know if we are speaking the correct P.C. verbage...?
  
  OMG...I am so afraid that I have spoken out of P.C.-ness...just now. But then...I must be a very bad un-P.C. person.
  
  I'm wondering then: What...it will be alright to call me then...that doesn't offend the one who decides what is proper P.C....but could care less...and it certainly wouldn't then matter ...whether it offends me...or not? Perplexing...isn't it!?
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  thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In England we have a whole department for P.C. Those worthless bastards just made it so that in all legal documents you should now say Non-disabled, rather than just Normal, when in a case with a disabled person involved.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So the normal person is now the negative in England, the "non-"? That's pretty sad.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's why they get paid the big bucks! Actually...that really is silly...In fact...aren't there bigger problems in the world to settle than that one?
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
Manly, I seriously think it's the liberal/progressive bloggers who make the call. Meaning people at the daily kos or huff post and all the other hysterical chicken little bloggers. Then the lamestream media picks it up and disseminates it to the general unsuspecting population.

It really is perplexing and bad for the country.
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I am DB Cooperposted 14 years ago
I guess it's a question of motive and the effect of the particular action. Was the person attempting to cause terror? Did the event cause people to be terrorized? I think it's fair to say that everyone you listed should be considered a terrorist, but why does it matter? Under this definition, a drug dealer who holds a gun to the head of another drug dealer because he was on his "turf" is also a terrorist. When we broaden the labels, we cheapen their meaning.

I find it odd that this thread includes attacks on liberals who apparently believe American soldiers are terrorists and Muslim terrorists are freedom fighters, yet the original poster's list of four terrorists includes two American soldiers.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey...they are all terrorists as far as I'm concerned...you (as in people in general) can overthink things too much...let's just call an "Ace" an "Ace"...and a "Spade" a "Spade"!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think your tractor actually started this thread. It reeks of dung.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry...if your in disagreement with the 'ol tractor...but "yeah"...'Ol Bess (tractor's name) started this one!
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you all cast an entire group of people, based only on their political beliefs, in a negative light, and when we call you on it "we're overthinking."
  
  Riiiigggghhhht.
  
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know what "we all" do...that is stereotypin'...your a "stereotypists-ists"!
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You all - a southern term referring to present company.
  
  In this thread, "you all" refers to those who are disparaging progressives/liberals, not all conservatives.
  
  Not all conservatives are like you all here in this thread.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We all appreciate the clarification.
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're welcome :-)
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If it it is "Clarified"...as you say...then why is it so dog-gone confusing ?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe the tractor's intake manifold is gunked up.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Something's just make the ol' girl "Red" !
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you're choosing to stay confused, or maybe you're just easily confused. Darned if I know.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Somehow...I just knew that you would make a silly point...and turn it around...to make it all come back on me...that I'm confused...Really...Well done!
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, since you said you're confused, I'm just taking you at your word.
  
  {shaking head in confusion}
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  "Stop it...you're confusing me!"
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good one!
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't assume all conservatives were like me, there was no need for the clarification. You're the one whose upset because you don't like what I said.
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I keep forgetting, unless I include a bunch of smiley faces, some people assume I am upset.
  
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  I am DB Cooperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So what's the point of all this? Trying to simplify everything by calling everyone who causes terror in others a terrorist is kind of like saying al Qaeda hates America for its freedom. It might make us feel better but it really doesn't solve anything.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I totally agree! A bullet to the back of the head would solve a lot more!
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And your suggestion...as to what they should be called is...? It's just a word...it doesn't solve anything...but it sure doesn't have to be sugar-coated or watered-down either!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I prefer "Corpse"
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livewithrichardposted 14 years ago
Shouldn't the CEO's, of publicly held companies, that criminally mismanage their assets to the point that they loose the life savings and retirement funds of their employees, have the Feds step in and bail them out causing a global meltdown of all economies, and be directly responsible for thousands of suicides and other acts of desperation be counted as terrorist too? I think so and we should round them up and send them all to Gitmo!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No! But thanks for playing
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skyfireposted 14 years ago
Trouble calling a terrorist "a terrorist" is that someone always comes up with irrational argument in defense and such things end up nowhere.

Something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyfzIx0MhTo
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
Yeah, that's right. You're not upset, that's why you responded with all that information about your ex-soldier fiance.

Didn't forget the smiley
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're the one who first invoked soldiers. It happens a lot on these threads. American soldiers are used as pawns for certain "arguments." It's old and it's tiring.
  
  If you're going to use "American soldiers" as part of your arguments, don't be surprised if it's turned back around on you.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are not making sense.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Must be confused... !
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It always seems that way doesn't it?
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, let me spell it out for you. You invoked "American soldiers" in your very first post in this thread by saying that progressives/liberals believe them to be terrorists.
  
  You politicized them. I called you on it. If that doesn't make sense to you, then it's only because you'd rather deny it than own up to it.
  
  Obligatory smiley face:
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As I said you're upset that's why you called me out on it and I can have an opinion and you can disagree with that. What's your problem?
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm just debating with you. Why do you think that's a problem? Are you not accustomed to it?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What's to debate? It was an opinion, we don't agree.
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And, I thought we already agreed on that opinion thing, but I suppose it doesn't hurt to repeat it ad nauseum.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you're certainly prepared to keep it going. I'm already bored with this. See ya.
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have a nice day, FK!
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thisisoliposted 14 years ago
Austin kamikaze pilot (yesterday) = Terrorist

Its hard to call someone a terrorist when they quote the constitution and stand up for the average tax paying American. Infact I cannot help but notice the discomfort from the media on this one, they haven't really banded around a particlar name for him at all.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can help them with that...it really is soooo simple:
  
  "He's a Terrorist"!
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  thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen patriotic mentioned once or twice, you guys wouldnt want to turn out like us brits would ya?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No freaking way.
  
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  tony0724posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is because the media could not align him with the Tea Party movement , ruined all their fun !
  
  Finally Napalitano called the Ft Hood shooter a terrorist. I damn near fell out of my chair ! Honesty from the administration ? What a concept
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Alotaposted 14 years ago
Because todays terrorist becomes tomorrows Politician, on the 17th of March this year the White House will open its doors to the leader of Sinn Fein, once barred from entering America as he is a convicted terrorist......the list is long, Gadaffi, etc
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laswiposted 14 years ago
For me, Osama Bin Laden of Afghanistan and Velupillai Prabhakaran of Sri Lanka are both terrorists. But for some people, one is a terrorist and the other is a rebel. For them, the governments fighting with Osama are trying to bring peace but the governments fighting with Prabhakaran are violating human rights and should therefore be taken to the International court of Justice.

What is this discrimination?
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Arthur Fontesposted 14 years ago
William Charles "Bill" Ayers planting bombs at Police stations and the Pentagon === TERRORIST.

of course he is also Barry's friend.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, that means he's not one
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the americanposted 14 years ago
This is way off topic so I do apologize. With the supreme dissapointment in Obama can anyone really say like I'am that we had it pretty damn good with Bush as president. Obama has tripled the amount of debt we had after George Bush left office, in one year. It took bush eight years to accumulate a 400 billion dollar deficit and its unbelievable America has forgotten that liberals don't solve problems they make them as far as the fiscal issue is concerned. Also I believe our wise leader used the term "man caused disasters" in lieu of terrorist.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
Obama himself, along with most of his Cabinet, is the real disaster.
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
Don't call them, shoot them!
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