In an effort to create more fun and unique forums for all of us to discuss, I found out hubpages had this little sub category "state sponsors of terrorism." yeah...who knew? therefore, why would anyone condone or promote terrorism? why would this even need to be a topic on hubpages? therefore, i'd like to ask you why this topic is necessary to be in forums, and if you can think of reasons why any country would promote terrorism?
When an enemy country cannot take on its opponent militarily, it engages terrorists to hurt or harm it continuously. Just to create hatred and tiredness and weariness among the public, they use terrorist acts and harm the innocent public.
This term was coined to bring countries within a legal definition that allows them to be attacked, basically a threat and (without researching but from memory) was part of the justification of the attack on Iraq.
It would appear to mean a state (or country) that contributes funds, facilities and shelter for terrorists. But I expect it has a narrower legal definition to ensure that it precludes the US from its scope, not that it should matter much as the US only recognises the International Court of Justice - but not in respect of US citizens.
There are very few major powers who would not be guilty of this - the well known and documented terrorism in South America was funded and supported and the 'freedom fightters' trained by the US. The UK has done its fair share, France its own, including the attack on the greenpeace ship in New Zealand.
Who promotes terrorism? As a concept and as a fear factor my immediate answer would be governments and the mainstream media!
Well if you read Bob woodward's book State of Denial part 3, about the Bush regime and the disaster that Iraq has come to be it would be hard not to accept the notion that a corrupt government of the most powerful nation in the world did a pretty good job of sponsoring terrorism. The UK has played its disgraceful part in such activities thanks to Tony Blair hanging on to the coat tail of George Bush.
And if I could just preempt the usual right wing conservatives who will brish aside the above analysis and simply recycle anb abuse the word 'liberal' (because in their world that accusation fixes everything); Bob woodward is a respected journalist who obtained information from senior players in the Bush regime.
As a brief aside can I just say thanks to those right wing conservatives who have managed to get me banned twice for disputing their view of how life should be. I won't dignify your pathetic ego's by naming you but you know who you are and I'm pleased you managed to expose yourselves as having no sense of debate or humour.
There's only about 6 of these automatons on here but boy do they make up for that with the number of self righteous posts. I was going to say that such brainwashed views are best taken lightly but to use the term brainwashed would imply the presence of a brain which would be a travesty and wholly wrong.
So well done to you for running to admin because some responses to your one eyed views contain too much challenging information.
Now if the above gets me a third ban it will answer a couple more questions for me.
You should not get too upset about it - you are in good company You soon learn who hits the report button continuously and it just confirms their self centred and obnoxiously self righteous views.
I got a ban for suggesting that two of them were in bed together with their views and the two avatars from anywhere and anywhere in the world reported it as me suggesting they were having an affair I assume as one of them was a respectable married woaman you know !! You just have to laugh and not let it get to you. There are only about 5 or 6 regulars who do this and the occasional sock puppet.
I hope you used the time off to good effect and wrote a hub or two ?
hey Alt how are you?
You'reright aboutbeing in god company I'm glad there's enough intelligence and sanity in circulation to expose the inherent bigotry of the tiny minority.
I guess living in a world where Geoprge Bush is the good guy clouds one's judgment.
Having said that I'm not impressed with whoever the secretive Hub Admin are. Tthey seem to just agree to uphold every complaint however fatuous and throw out banning orders for fun. I seem to recall an Austrian behaving like that circa 1936-45!!
Ahhh you gotta give them a break - if someone presses the report button they have to look and if you DID break the posting rules you gotta get a whack ! It would be nice if they spent more time on it though - there is an unsavoury pattern to the reportings I would guess.
Anyway it is their playground we inhabit so . . . .
Good to see you back
Hubpages has me listed as a terrorist and so do 27 other countries. I am on a hit list of five street gangs of Los Angeles, two mexican mafias, Aryian nation. and yet, I live my life unaffected. I still eat Snickers bars and M & M's. I fully support terrorism if I can continue laughing at all those who live in terror. Don't you know God is coming back too? Now that's scary.
hello goldentoad, you back with us.... hooray.... you can be in my gang if you like
The word terrorism is nonsense. All that it means is that the person saying "terrorism" doesn't agree with the politics of those doing the "terrorism".
The Americans were "terrorists" to the Brits. The us is the terrorist to many countries around the world.
hmm good question, I'm a peace maker so I don't support terrorism!
Why do we tend to focus on the negative anyway! Who says we have to live the way we do! We just all need to become love and positive and focus on those things!
It's become a totally worthless word. It's a rhetorical hotbutton that, as soon as it gets used, reveals the agenda of whoever says it on either side.
Which is fine if you are pissed off and want to bag on Islam, or bag on US military action, or on anything else. All you need is one dead civilian and you can use it.
It's a way to avoid true dialogue, true examination of really, really complicated issues. Just call it terrorism and POOF, you are on the right side.
George Washington was a terrorist in British eyes.
Absolutely - and many other POTUS over the years, from those who paid for South American terrorism, to illegal and secretive bombing of Cambodia, the unnecesary fiasco of Vietnam itself, the profiteering of the Iraq nonsense, innocent families around Pakistan who are terrorised by plastic bomb drones falling out of the sky onto them because some operator 'thinks' an opposition leader might be there.
And of course this also applies through history to every other colonial power imposing itself on others in pursuit of extra profit.
We're all terrorists potentially. It's just that most of us haven't been made to feel that desperate, degraded or helpless yet. (It helps that most of us are mentally stable to some degree too, so we require a great deal of injustice before we resort to such horrific means.)
I know many people who become terrified just hearing the term.....
I wrote a hub a while back on this subject and I would say that three of the main promoters of terrorism ... one is apparently and conveniently under a sea of water and the other two are no longer promoting their lies of terror threats.
Today, Islam... yester-year, last century actually, Communism and all the twisted lil Marxian ideologies. And lets not forget those Irish, who taught the Palestinians all they know of car-bombing.
And yes we can include the American Left and Progressives through the State Dept. and their games to make the world hate America and run to the arms of who-ever hated us in that country in which they played those games.
Hope that clears it all up for ya.
Any questions ask.
The freedom of the Marxian ideologies and Islam.
uhmmhumm... Communism is so free, all those free Russians under Stalin, and all those free Cubans today, and all those free Germans in the 30s,.. and lets not forget those free Saudis,.. and the free Socialists in Venezuela.
Yes freedom fighter indeed.
Missed it completely.
It's not a left/right thing. It is our side is right, the other side is wrong, irrespective of political inclination.
The we's are any of us and the you's are all the others.
If you are American you are a freedom fighter and Muslims are terrorists,however if you are a Muslim you are a freedom fighter and the Americans are the terrorists.
I really didn't think it was that difficult a concept.
I had assumed you were actually serious John.
Don't worry about it.
I was deadly serious, but don't worry about it TM.
I have heard the, one man's freedom fighter blather before, and that just doesn't cut it. It ranks right up there with the Moral equivalists spoutings.
But I won't worry about it.
Yes, you're totally muddled about morality as well.
I must say that I applaud your patience and good nature. I have stopped responding to most posts that catch my eye because I find sarcasm too hard to resist.
John, the guy operates only on the surface of thoughts...basic understanding. He isn't going to understand conceptual arguments.
I understand perfectly well the idea behind it is.
I just do not agree.
I know there is good and evil, right and wrong, black and white, in the world, and to equate the two with a mindless twist of words is unacceptable.
There are terrorists, and there are those who are fighting the terrorists. You can try to muddle it all you want. It is very clear to those of us who do not buy into the equivalist philosophies of the Leant Left.
But good and evil, right and wrong, black and white all depend on where you stand.
Look at the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the vast majority of the western world say that was a good thing. Had it been the other way round, had the Japanese dropped an atomic bomb on London or New York we would still be talking about the unspeakable evil of the Japanese!
TM, if your country had been over run by Muslim armies would you not be trying to drive them out by any means possible? You would argue vehemently that you were not a terrorist, but you'd be acting in exactly the way terrorists the world over act.
Good and evil are non-debatable.
Right and wrong are also non-debatable.
There is no eqivocating on them.
And black and white are black and white. Yes there are shades of gray, but they are not as un-definable as the Left and Progressives would try to call them.
And I wouldn't be so quick to say we are not being over-run. I understand the history of Islamic immigration as a tool of war in the past. It has been used many time by Islam, immigrate under peaceful pretensions... then they have a standing force when the Islamic armies do arrive.
And yes I would fight.
And we could debate the morality of using the atomic bomb, a Democrat did that, but the projected cost of human life to both sides out-wieghed the cost of the dropping those bombs in the end.
And England was in no position to help us, or any of Europe, so we did what we had to do. We had fought on two sides of the world, and still took the time to help you all in Europe after we were done.
You would think a lil thanks to our nation would be in order.
What do you mean no answer, John? I went through this with you already about the no answer thing the other day.
I have answered, go look at my reply above.
But still no answer.
If Japan had ended the war by dropping a bomb on London or New York that would have been OK then as it would have cut the cost in human life, just like your justification for us bombing Japan.
Of course you would fight an invading army, just as Muslims fight an invading army.
England was in no position to help you!
Could that possibly be because we had been fighting for years without any help from our "allies" who ere too busy collaborating with the enemy until Pearl Harbour?
As for thanks, we've paid you off, what more do you want, allies?
If Japan bombed New York or London... well then that would depend on why you believe the agressor started the conflict to begin with. Wouldn't it?
You cannot just call a nation or people "just" cause they won, John. I would think you would fully agree with that.
And it was the American Left and Progressives, FDR and his ilk and the American Progressives Communists and Anarchists, who were conspiring with the European Socialists and Communists (Hitler and Stalin).
And do not be confused, Stalin and Hitler were both responsible for that war. They both attacked Poland to draw England and France into conflict. Stalin did hold back so as to let the Germans get there first and fight the fight, but that does not relieve him of the guilt. And then he took his own side while playing the Allies and FDR, because FDR's enitire staff of Aides were KGB actives and Fellow-travelers - Including Hopkins-, and that is verifiable through the Vennona and KGB, GRU, State Dept. and many other records of many other agencies around the world including America.
I find it pathetic ands scumbaggy that FDR would refer to Stalin throughout as, "Uncle Joe", a shameful piece of American History indeed.
Alot of Euro-Socialists and Eruo-Communists were involved in supporting Hitler and Stalin, also.
So that statement tells me you do agree with my avatar. Nice to know.
I do not know what most of the world would think of it, Japan bombing New York or London. It is a hypothetical and one can never know how the perceptions of this world will change.
So, in short you'd agree that "we" are freedom fighters and "they" are terrorists, else why would you say "that depends"?
All the "Hitler was a socialist" is just your usual diversionary tactics.
I agree it, is/can be, relative to perspective. But I do not agree that good and evil are, niether is right or wrong.
And I am glad you agree with oile Joe McCarthy John. Good to know.
He implimented his socialist agenda to sieze control... and ended as a facist... Fascists are not right wing... they are an end product of total dictatorial control and centralized authority.
But you know my opinion on that you read my hub... so why go into it again.
In this blather of nonsense one bit sticks out, the argument for dropping one bomb on Japan can be supported as you say, but dropping the second was totally unjustified - and it is recorded that the US knew this before dropping and went ahead anyway.
As to the rest of the black and white and good and evil that you claim - the most persistent terrorists currently are the USA, terrorising Iraqi's with guns and bombs all day, every day. And this is only one country that you are trying to colonise through control of the infrastructure and ownership of the government. YOU are the terrorist.
They had a week to totally sdurrender, and did not. Matter of fact they were gearing up to continue with more vigor.
So that can be argued.
And FDR had a plan to drop 12 all down throughout Japan.
I believe we, America, should pull out of all but a few of oiur allies coutries. And let all the rest of you all wallow in your own misery. I do not want to give you all another dime of foriegn aide, nor any more of our advancements in any industries, sciences, etc., nor any more entrance into our country, etc.
I would cut the world off, except for a few of our allies.
So go preach to someone else about American influence in the world. I have had enough of the world. Let you all have one another and close our borders and go to being non-interventionalists.
We have seen how that goes though. Europe and the middle-east have never been at peace long. And would not have been had America not been involved. You would kill one another in a half a century. You would all run to your ways of the past and slaughter one another, when you ran out of Jews to kill that is. Cause we all know that anti-Semitism is the tie that binds you all together over there.
And yes as long as you all mess with Israel and support those who attack us or Israel, we will destroy you. Too bad. If you cannot act civilly and have peace among yourselves, and leave Israel and us alone, then we will give you the wars you want war.
And as far as China... they are no prize so you all can have them also. China would be a backwater piss puddle full of rotted turds if not for the USA and all our wealth and industry that the treasonous Leant Leftists and Progressives have stolen from America and shipped off to Asia.
So... enjoy the world you all have over there thanks to America and what we have given, (and those things the traitors here have stolen from us), to all of you.
And don't forget... "You kids stay off my lawn, too."
No problem with the kids on my lawn. Those Canadians are not all that bad.
Now the nieghbors in the alley behind my house that keep breaking in, and hang out there all night selling and doing drugs and violent crimes, they can screw themselves. Time to put up a very high privacy fence and get some big old security dogs.
Yeah right, I don't know how we got through the last couple of thousand years without America to bail us out.
We shall be for ever grateful for the example the US has shown us of peace keeping, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Or closer to home, Chile, Cuba, Nicaragua, Guatemala, all beneficiaries of America's peace keeping.
But of course that was the fault of all the leant lefties who are renowned for their love of military service and war making.
No, that was the plan.
The Left and Progressives knew unless the American people saw ourselves as a bad country, and the world hated us for our actions, then they would never be able to "fundamentally change" our nations structure. So off to the races they went. Starting wars and betraying allies and slaugtering folks everywhere, even as the Culutural Marxist with the Franfurt school penned the new histories and twisted what they could, infected our education system and other cultural institutions, knowong they had to turn the children and youth against their own country.
And look at us... they have suceeded.
Go into a country and pull such vicious BS, and play so many games and betray so many allies, as to drive the people to the arms of their Communist/Socialist buddies. ie Stalin and Mao.
We have seen the plan, John, and it has worked great for over the last half a century. It is all plainly documented in the Senate, House and Executive, State Dept, OSS-CIA, FBI, NSA, KGB, GRU, even the Chinese records tell the tale, and so many many other records.
Every American I have ever met has asaked the same question... "Why are we, our Govt., over there doing that when it is not what we stand for?", "Why is all so backwards?", anyone who reads the records can now see exactly why. Treason! And a plan to fundamentally restructure our nation.
The State Dept. did so much BS around the world that everyone hates us. And they knew what they were doing while they did it. The entire plan was to make the world hate us, and then we would willingly embrace a new system.
Nikita Kruschev wasn't lying when he said, "We will take you over from within...". He knew... what the American people did not! That the traitors within our own system were selling us down the road. Those who were so blessed by this nation and trusted by it's people... have done the worst of ills to us.
Traitors all. they should be dug up and their rotting corpses hung along the potomac river with traitor signs around their necks, and all their families have to this day should be siezed and they ejected from this nation.
But that is okay. You all go back to your lives, and if I have my way, America will go back to hers.
It truely was in all ways, "A conspiracy so immense.".
<shakes head in dismay>
And this has to do with freedom fighter vs terrorist?
Shakin my head in dismay...
No. This isn't to your reply, John. You are not othe only one that has been talking to me. I simply do not tag every reply with a, "Dear so and so".
Correction... you are the only one actually "talking" to me. The others are more gripping, snarking, pissing and moaning, as usual. Not all. But some.
He still thinks we are in the Cold War. There is no point....one of the most clueless people I have ever seen.
I cannot help you do not know... so in not knowing... you don't even know you do not know
That would be your fault.
What can be more terrorist than droning people from five-thousand miles away on a monitor.
I thoght the conversation was wandering a little. The question was "Who promotes terrorism?"
Obviously terrorists themselves, for whatever reason they think appropriate. Their cheerleaders and supporters. When the terrorists represent the views of a population they can function within the population like fish in water. When they do not represent the views of a "host" population they cannot function easily.
Governments. The USA funded and supplied the Contras in Nicaragua, tried repeatedly to assassinate Castro, created the situation in Chile that led to the military overthrow of a democratically elected government.
Well many would say the US is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world.
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