Legal immigrants being jailed for their opinions
"It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.
This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear."
https://time.com/7278774/judge-harvie-w … go-garcia/"just a dash of Trump had made the dish totally inedible"
. . . in a nutshell!The SC finally recognizes that Trump and his tyrannical terror needs to be reined in. The dissents only from "despot in waiting" Sam Alito and Uncle Clerance Thomas.....
Trump insanity will help me forment discord among the conservative members of the court and that has to be a good thing.
Could our institutions finally awaken from Trump induced madness?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … -venezuelaAre we in a constitutional crisis yet? Isn't it time for congressional Republicans to stand up and defend the Constitution? Judges on several levels of the judicial branch have called for due process. The White House meanwhile tweets out saying they are going to openly defy the courts...this should end in impeachment.
I really think that congressional coward Republicans are afraid of Trump. But, If he screws the economy up with tariffs that virtually every Economist worth their salt says are doomed to failure, the people will express displeasure allowing GOP congresspeople cover to attack Trump. It will be the old Julius Caesar stab in the back trick. Have to wonder though, who would draw the first dagger?
He may find that under many circumstances that his "ironclad" support could become just so much gossamer if Republicans believe that they can, in fact, cross him without repercussions.
We were in a constitutional crisis in Trump's first administration but impeachments were ineffective because republican senators forgot their oath to protect and defend the constitution. Would impeachment go differently now? Same senate. But America is reacting differently and much more quickly this time. We'll see . . .
Credence2: Buddy, you're losing it. (Not that I don't think much the same these days. Actually, I might not put it even as delicately as you have!)
Right there with you, pal.
Three years, nine months and counting:
Make America Good Again 2028!I don't want to wait that long, Kathleen he will have coronated himself by then. I am counting on the midterms and a Democratic Party resurgence rendering Trump a lame duck and he will be left with a Congress who would not so much as pass gas on his behalf.
That is only 19 months......
To everyone cheering on Trump for ignoring court rulings:
Imagine a future left-wing president declares a national emergency on gun violence, bans AR-15s, and signs an executive order instructing the ATF to confiscate semi-automatic rifles from gun stores. A federal court blocks it, citing the Second Amendment... BUT the president shrugs, calls the judges “activists,” and ignores the ruling.
Would you still be okay with that? Or would you suddenly rediscover your love for the rule of law?
This isn’t about immigration or Trump. It’s about whether the rule of law means anything to you...or if you only respect the Constitution when it serves your politics.
You don’t get to scream “tyranny!” over COVID lockdowns or gun restrictions and then celebrate when your guy blows off court orders. That’s not patriotism. That’s authoritarianism in red, white, and blue drag.
You don’t get to pick and choose when the Constitution matters.I think your example oversimplifies what’s really going on. I absolutely believe in the Constitution and the rule of law, but I also believe it has to be applied fairly and consistently, regardless of politics. What many of us see today isn’t someone “blowing off court orders” just because they don’t like the result, we see a legal system that’s being used as a political weapon. That’s not about ignoring the law; it’s about calling out selective enforcement and judicial activism that undermines trust in the process itself.
If a future left-wing president did what you described, used executive overreach to confiscate firearms, I’d absolutely speak out, just like I have against COVID mandates, censorship, and other forms of overreach. That’s consistent. What’s not consistent is pretending the courts are neutral while turning a blind eye to clear political targeting.
This isn’t about cheering for “my guy.” It’s about recognizing when the legal system is being bent to serve political ends. I don’t support authoritarianism in any color, but I also won’t pretend that calling out abuse of power is the same thing as rejecting the Constitution. I’d argue it’s the opposite.Doesn't the Constitution provide for due process? Doesn't the doctrine outlined in the 5th Amendment provide the remedy for deciding who is guilty or not? Isn't it the judiciary's role to ensure the Constitution is upheld?
Where is the legal system bending for political purpose? What is oversimplified? The courts have told this bunch that they need to provide due process to these people before loading them onto planes to third world prisons... The Trump crew brazenly tried to do just that in the middle of the night... Causing scotus to get out of bed to baby sit...
The question is real simple, do you want due process upheld or not?I recall Biden "brazenly" bringing in tens of thousands (millions?) of illegal aliens, and flying them all over the country under cover of night, all in direct violation of his oath of office to support the Constitution and all other laws. But, of course, it is now Trump doing much the same and that cannot be permitted, right?
We have a very long history of lawmakers forming new laws expressly designed to subvert our Constitution, and we have a history nearly as long of complaints when someone else uses those laws to do as they wish. Exactly as we see being done today.
Personally, I would prefer to see that every illegal alien has their "day in court" (even if it's only a half hour before a specially assigned clerk). But I'm also smart enough to understand that the very laws designed and intended to protect our nation would then be used to deny any action of deportations. Given that, all that is left is to follow those time-honored methods of violating the law while following it. We have created a conundrum in that we require our president to protect our borders and to get rid of those that violate those borders, all while denying any possibility of action. That we finally have a President that is actually willing to solve that conundrum (legally or illegally) is to his credit. It would be nice were it legal, but when that possibility is denied, well..."That we finally have a President that is actually willing to solve that conundrum (legally or illegally) is to his credit.
I think you sum it up nicely for Maga. The support is for the man, not for the Constitution, not for rule of law... Just the will and whims of one man.
I do think that the majority of the country wants to see the Constitution upheld.I agree, although for a great many liberals what it says is malleable, always subject to change according to the politics of the day.
But I also think the large majority want the illegals of our country gone; they want the days of unlimited "immigration" to end. And the two are not compatible under the laws being applied today. One must deport, according to the law. But they are not allowed to, according to the law. What's left? Just the machinations of Trump, following the laws in removing illegal aliens, removal that is illegal?Absolutely no one is stopping the deportation of individuals who are eligible under the law. Trump can work with the same laws that Biden had to work with.... He wants to subvert the law so that he can appear to be more effective than the previous administration. It's that simple. But when you deny due process, constitutional rights of one, it's a threat to all... We have immigration law, he wants to try to go around it. If this Administration doesn't feel that the law is sufficient, there is a remedy to that and it's called Congress
LOL No, of course no one is stopping (or slowing) deportation efforts. Just cities and even whole so-called "sanctuary" states. Just those that will throw legal roadblocks at every opportunity with irrelevant lawsuits.
C'mon, Willow - you know as well as I do that every move Trump makes will be challenged. Legal or not, ethical or not, moral or not, it will be challenged in court. It is been so for years and there is nothing to indicate that will change.He cannot violate due process as guaranteed by the constitution. It is as simple as that. It's not an option. So-called sanctuary cities have nothing to do with any of this...
Has he ignored the Supreme Court order that was issued on April 7th?
It is clear he did deport migrants deemed to be criminals after the March ruling --- which permitted deporting criminals under AEA and without due process. Which was not mentioned in the March ruling.
I understand and note that a prior immigration judge permitted Garcia to stay.. It did protect him from being deported to El Salvador because the judge found a high likelihood of persecution if he returned. The DOJ stated that his deportation was accidental.
It seems that with the Supreme Court's new order issued on Saturday, we're now in a holding pattern—waiting to see if, and how, the DOJ chooses to respond.
I fully support deporting anyone with a criminal record or gang affiliation. However, I also hope that ICE exercises caution when reviewing records and respects the rulings of judges. It would prevent accidents from occurring.But it is unconstitutional to deport anyone, at any time without due process... Even under the dubious alien enemies act which Trump's use of is currently being challenged in multiple courts. Due process is a constitutional requirement.
Individuals receiving deportation orders in this country have constitutional due process rights to contest their removal, including the right to a hearing and to present evidence before an immigration judge.... Scotus shouldn't have had to even tell this Administration that... I, among many in this country, I am extremely concerned for the disregard of the Constitution and where it may lead in terms of disregarding due process any of us."But it is unconstitutional to deport anyone, at any time without due process.." willow
On March 14, 2025, President Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) of 1798 to authorize the deportation of individuals he identified as members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, labeling their presence as an "invasion" of the United States. This action marked a significant departure from the AEA's historical use, which had been limited to wartime contexts involving declared enemies of the U.S. There were no stipulations regarding due process in the order. Trump followed the laws regarding AEA... He has followed the Supreme Court's rulings to date. Except what is being called an accident --- the deportation of Garcia.
As of now, former President Trump has not been formally cited or charged with breaking the law for his use of the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) in deportation efforts. However, the administration’s actions have drawn intense legal scrutiny and have been the subject of several lawsuits. In March 2025, Trump invoked the AEA to deport individuals alleged to be members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, prompting civil rights groups to challenge the move in court. They argued the actions violated due process and went beyond the legal scope of the AEA. A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order to halt these deportations, but reports indicated that some removals continued despite the ruling. On April 16, 2025, Judge Boasberg found probable cause to hold the administration in criminal contempt for potentially violating the court’s order. While these developments point to serious legal concerns surrounding the enforcement of deportations under the AEA, no direct legal action has been taken against Trump personally.
Now--- the U.S. Supreme Court has taken up the ACLU's case against the Trump administration concerning alleged civil rights violations of migrants deported under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA). In response to the ACLU's emergency appeal, the Court issued a temporary order halting further deportations of Venezuelan migrants, citing concerns that the administration was not providing adequate notice or legal recourse to those targeted for removal. The Court emphasized that individuals must be given timely notice and an opportunity to challenge their deportation, aligning with due process requirements.
This intervention underscores the judiciary's role in ensuring that executive actions, even under longstanding statutes like the AEA, adhere to constitutional protections. The Supreme Court's involvement indicates a significant legal examination of the administration's immigration enforcement practices and their compliance with due process standards.
So we wait once again to hear what the Supreme Court rules.
And yet the very act of providing due process will, and has, resulted in violation of the requirement to remove illegals.
A catch 22 that is promoted and built by those opposing any but open borders. So what is the answer? To violate one law because you demand another? Which one?As of April 7th, the Supreme Court placed restrictions on the use of the AEA. Which included due process.. Importantly, Trump has not broken any laws. The administration acknowledged that Garcia’s deportation was a mistake — an unintentional error. The Court ordered Garcia’s release and return to the U.S., and the administration made efforts to comply. However, the president of El Salvador refused to release him. At that point, there was nothing more the U.S. could do.
"To everyone cheering on Trump for ignoring court rulings:
Imagine a future left-wing president declares a national emergency on gun violence, bans AR-15s, and signs an executive order instructing the ATF to confiscate semi-automatic rifles from gun stores. A federal court blocks it, citing the Second Amendment... BUT the president shrugs, calls the judges “activists,” and ignores the ruling." Willow
I would appreciate to if you would explain your analogy. Are you insinuating that Trump or his administration has skirted the Constitution? If so, what are you referring to? Could you offer an example? I am not aware that Trump has purposely gone against our Constitution, or this far in this term been cited for what you imply.
"This isn’t about immigration or Trump. It’s about whether the rule of law means anything to you...or if you only respect the Constitution when it serves your politics."Willow
What exactly is your point? I’ve never said anything that would suggest I don’t respect the Constitution—quite the opposite. Maybe you missed that in my comment. As I’ve said many times before, the issue might be that you’re not reading comments thoroughly or that you’re struggling to understand context.
"Sharlee01 wrote:
I think your example oversimplifies what’s really going on. I absolutely believe in the Constitution and the rule of law, but I also believe it has to be applied fairly and consistently, regardless of politics. What many of us see today isn’t someone “blowing off court orders” just because they don’t like the result, we see a legal system that’s being used as a political weapon. That’s not about ignoring the law; it’s about calling out selective enforcement and judicial activism that undermines trust in the process itself."
The courts have told this bunch that they need to provide due process to these people before loading them onto planes to third-world prisons... The Trump crew brazenly tried to do just that in the middle of the night... Causing scotus to get out of bed to baby sit..." Willow
On April 7, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a pivotal decision allowing the Trump administration to proceed with deportations under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA), a statute dating back to 1798. This ruling came after President Trump invoked the AEA on March 14, 2025, targeting alleged members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, which he described as perpetrating an invasion or predatory incursion against the United States. The Court's decision emphasized that while the administration could utilize the AEA for deportations, it must ensure that affected individuals receive notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal through appropriate legal channels.
This Supreme Court ruling affirmed the administration's authority to use the AEA, provided due process requirements are met. Therefore, President Trump's continued use of the AEA for deportations, including actions taken after this decision, aligns with the legal framework established by the Court.
Subsequent legal challenges and temporary halts, such as the emergency order on April 19, 2025, reflect ongoing judicial oversight to ensure compliance with due process, rather than a repudiation of the administration's authority under the AEA.
Are you accusing the Trump administration of ignoring the Supreme Court's ruling to provide due process requirements?
The ACLU filed the case J.G.G. v. Trump on March 15, 2025, in response to President Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) to deport alleged members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua. This lawsuit was initiated before the Supreme Court's ruling on April 7, 2025.
Key Timeline:
March 15, 2025: President Trump issued a proclamation invoking the AEA, targeting alleged members of Tren de Aragua for deportation. The ACLU and Democracy Forward filed a lawsuit the same day, challenging this action. Judge James Boasberg issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) to prevent the deportation of the five plaintiffs.
American Civil Liberties Union
Evening of March 15, 2025: Despite the TRO, the Trump administration deported 137 individuals to El Salvador, actions that the ACLU contends violated the court's order.
ACLU of DC.
April 7, 2025: The Supreme Court ruled that while the administration could use the AEA, individuals must be given notice and an opportunity to challenge their deportation.
In summary, the ACLU's case was filed prior to the Supreme Court's April 7 decision, and the deportations in question occurred before this ruling. The legal challenges focus on whether the administration's actions complied with due process requirements."Are you insinuating that Trump or his administration has skirted the Constitution
I'm not insinuating. I am stating that they most certainly have done so.
Your post provides the reasoning...
"The Court's decision emphasized that while the administration could utilize the AEA for deportations, it must ensure that affected individuals receive notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal through appropriate legal channels."
They have not done so... Are you insinuating that Garcia, just as one example, received due process before he was deported? The fifth amendment guarantees due process... How is this bunch not in violation?
The Trump administration violated Garcia’s due process rights and court orders by deporting him to El Salvador despite a valid immigration judge's order protecting him from removal. Multiple courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, ruled this deportation illegal...
From SCOTUS
[t]he United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal.”
The Trump administration deported him without seeking termination of his withholding of removal protection and without giving him any opportunity to contest his deportation, violating his Fifth Amendment due process rights. Pretty clear
Yes he has violated the due process rights of planes full of people and SCOTUS had to be woken up in the middle of the night Friday to prevent him from doing it again...
Is Fox News not covering the violation of due process? That the constitution guarantees such?
I wanted to post immigration laws. It is very obvious that many of these laws were ignored, for reasons unknown, over the past years under Biden. I hope some will take time to read these laws and see that the last administration did not follow the laws on the book—period.
1. Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) § 212(a) – Inadmissibility Grounds
This section lists absolute grounds for denying entry to non-citizens. A person can be turned away at the border for reasons including:
Health-related issues (e.g., communicable diseases)
Criminal convictions (certain crimes, even without jail time)
Security risks (terrorist activity, espionage)
Public charge (likely to become primarily dependent on government assistance)
Fraud or misrepresentation
Unlawful presence in the U.S. in the past
Prior removal or deportation orders
2. INA § 235 – Expedited Removal
This allows immigration officers to quickly deport individuals who:
Arrive without valid documents
Present fraudulent documents
Have no claim for asylum or fear of return
No judge is needed. Applies within 100 miles of the border and within 14 days of entry, unless the migrant asks for asylum.
3. Title 8 U.S.C. § 1325 – Improper Entry
This criminal statute allows for the immediate removal or prosecution of:
People who enter the U.S. illegally
Those who enter at a non-designated port of entry
People who use false documents or lie to border agents
4. Public Health Order – Section 265 of Title 42 (U.S. Code) [Historically used]
While it is no longer in effect as of 2023, Title 42 allowed the U.S. to immediately expel migrants without asylum screening during public health emergencies (e.g., COVID-19).
Used to override immigration protections temporarily.
5. Terrorism-Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)
These are absolute. Any connection to terrorism — even limited or indirect — can result in mandatory denial of entry.
6. Visa Waiver Program (VWP) – INA § 217
Travelers from VWP countries waive their right to contest denial of entry. If they raise any issue (e.g., plan to work without authorization), they can be turned back without a hearing.
7. Reinstatement of Removal – INA § 241(a)(5)
If someone has previously been deported and re-enters illegally, their prior removal order can be automatically reinstated, and they can be deported without a hearing.
U.S. LAWS ON DEPORTATION OF THOSE HERE ILLEGALLY
1. INA § 237 – Deportable Aliens
Covers those already inside the U.S. who can be deported. Grounds include:
Entered illegally (no inspection or authorization)
Overstayed a visa
Committed certain crimes
Violated terms of their visa (e.g., worked when not authorized)
Became a public charge within 5 years of entry
Fraud or misrepresentationIf these laws were broken and there's absolutely no evidence that they were, why didn't Republicans take them to task, bring the Administration to court? The ACLU brought Biden's actions to court multiple times...
Fact --- What are the numbers?
As of July 21, ICE said 662,556 people under its supervision were either convicted of crimes or face criminal charges. Nearly 15,000 were in its custody, but the vast majority — 647,572 — were not.
Included in the figures of individuals not detained by ICE are people convicted of extremely serious crimes. These numbers reflect decades of accumulation: 13,099 for homicide, 15,811 for sexual assault, 13,423 for weapons offenses, and 2,663 for stolen vehicles. The largest category was traffic-related offenses at 77,074, followed by assault at 62,231 and drug-related offenses at 56,533.
These figures are alarming and are the result of immigration laws being ignored for many years. The laws are clear—individuals with criminal records can and should be denied entry at the border.
So to answer your question directly: Both Republicans and Democrats have failed to enforce these laws over the years. But now we have a president who has clearly pledged to deport any migrant with a criminal record. And please, spare me the Garcia citation—the legal process is still unfolding, and it’s becoming increasingly clear that more is being uncovered as the case gains attention.Is it that the laws have been ignored? Because there's no evidence of that or is it simply that the immigration system works very slowly due to lack of staffing... A congress that has not provided enough money? It takes many years for any action to be completed under our current system. You would think that Congress would want to address these problems? They have the ability to make the system run more efficiently and effectively...
No one is arguing that an Administration cannot deport people, it has to be done in a constitutional manner though. Which means due process must be given. That is the mechanism for which an individual is determined a criminal, guilty or not guilty. That determination does not come at the hands of any Administration... Well maybe an authoritarian one.
As for Garcia, he was deported without due process. That is unconstitutional.Congress hasn’t addressed immigration laws, and let’s be honest, they probably won’t anytime soon. Trump is doing what he can to work around a group of politicians who, at the end of the day, don’t seem all that invested in fixing the issue. I’m sure plenty of them are furious that he’s found a way to use the AEA, but the truth is, he’s taking action instead of just handwringing. He’s pushing back, not sitting on his hands.
Regarding Garcia—it’s obvious he didn’t get the hearing he was supposed to. It’s also clear the president of El Salvador isn’t going to send him back. And to me, it’s become pretty clear he was here illegally and had ties to MS-13. In my view, I’m glad he was deported along with the rest of the criminals."Because there's no evidence of that or is it simply that the immigration system works very slowly due to lack of staffing"
And yet...do you recall Biden's early on orders to ICE NOT to deport from the interior? As a result ICE virtually shut down outside of the border strip. Could there be a better example of ignoring the law?
I hope the democrats keep fighting on behalf of illegal aliens.
Even if they win the battle they will lose the political war. President Donald Trump is seen as fulfilling a campaign promise. democrats are seen as trying to stop him from doing what they elected them to do.
Keep doing you democrats.
CNN poll shows 56% of Americans want every single illegal Alien deported.
"CNN Data Chief Says Americans Are 'Much Closer' To Trump On This Key Issue
CNN’s chief data analyst Harry Enten on Thursday pointed to a “big change” in Americans’ stances on immigration policy between 2016 and now.
Enten said a majority of Americans have gotten “much closer” to President Donald Trump, noting that 56% of registered voters in 2025 favored a government effort to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, per a poll by The Washington Post.
This marks a double-digit percentage increase from 2016 when just 38% of Americans indicated that they’d back such an effort.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cnn-data-chi … 28540.htmlLet me be blunt—this isn’t meant to start an argument, just me sharing my honest opinion. I completely agree with your take. In fact, I hope they keep charging down the same path they seem so determined to follow. It’s honestly baffling that, even after losing an election largely because of these exact ideologies and deeply unpopular, upside-down values, they still haven’t taken the hint. At this point, it feels like they’re either oblivious to how foolish they appear or they just don’t care. Either way, I say let them keep going. The more they show who they are, the clearer the choice becomes for everyone else.
This immigration issue was a Godsend --- I mean, it is so very clear they are willing to stand up for criminals to spite Trump was sent to Washington to do the job of getting them out.I'm not sure why Maga continues to ignore the doctrine of due process that is guaranteed under the 5th and 14th amendments? This isn't about one man or any immigrant for that matter. It's about the rule of law, it's about the Constitution and the due process rights included therein.
I like due process and I want it maintained... I don't want to be pulled over on a traffic stop and stuffed onto a plane for places unknown... Due process is a constitutional right.
Seems like Maga folks are solely following the whims of one man, whether his actions are lawful, constitutional or not.... Whatever he says goes and Constitution be damned.
Does the Constitution matter to Maga anymore? Or is it just something in dear leaders way?
If folks wanted Garcia deported, it was very simple... Put him before an immigration judge who after hearing the case would rule either way if his withholding of removal order could be nullified or maintained...SO SIMPLE... JUST FOLLOW THE LAW
No one is fighting for illegal aliens. People are fighting to preserve the constitution. The Constitution that guarantees due process rights for everyone... If you want to selectively strip those rights for some, you threaten it for all. I don't know, that matters too a lot of us
Guess what?
The democrat party would be better served by trying to take care of American citizens than obsessing about the rights of illegal aliens.
Democrats don't care about the Constitution and never have.
What the democrat party is doing is absolute nonsense and the American people know it. President Donald Trump was elected to deport the millions of illegal aliens let into the country by the biden administration. He is doing it and the vast majority of American citizens approve of it
It's pretty simple. He ran on that issue and is honoring his campaign promise.
Not even democrats are buying that bunch of hooey. They just keep sinking lower in the polling.
"Confidence in congressional Democrats hits all-time low in new poll
Gallup: Democrats’ confidence in their own party’s congressional leadership is at a historic low.
Confidence in the Democratic Party's congressional leadership has sunk to an all-time low, according to a new national poll.
The confidence rating for Democratic leadership in Congress stands at 25% in a Gallup poll conducted April 1-14 and released on Thursday. That's nine points below the previous low of 34%, which was recorded in 2023."
It's a losing issue for democrats and a winning issue for Republicans.
When the biden administration was letting millions of illegal aliens into the country these non-citizens were getting medical benefits, housing, food allotments that weren't available to homeless Americans. democrats are completely oblivious to the resentment that caused among American citizens.
Again, democrats are far more worried about people who are here illegally than they are about American citizens. That is how they portray themselves and that is how they behave.
Like the Bible says, "What you sow so shall you reap."
The democrats have sown many seeds of resentment against them and are now reaping their harvest of resentment.
It is almost like the democrats don't want to win elections or don't care if they win elections. They are clueless as to how disconnected they are to the feeling of the majority of citizens of the United States.Truth!! But don't take Mike's word for it, read the words of Dems on any given forum topic, and they'll tell you as much... and more!
So you support a president violating the Constitution?
He has violated the Constitution. The president's authority doesn't negate due process rights which are enshrined in the US Constitution.
POTUS has authority WITHIN THE LAW.
Denying due process is violating the law, therefore Trump has violated the law...and maga doesn't seem to care.Is that like when Obama violated the Constitution and killed via drones American citizens?
I love the looney left's gameplan... anything Trump does to try and make America a better place for American citizens... any mistake pounce on it as evil... right?
While also continuing to make up completely fabricated and falsified unsubstantiated charges and try to sell them to the American people that its all part of the greater evil of the worst dictator to ever live!
Democrats’ 10-Part Strategy to Stopping Trump (At Any Cost)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_QAGJ2XiiQSimple question .... Do deportations without due process violate the constitution? Yes or no....
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Or are you saying there are no exceptions to requiring due process before throwing foreign citizens out of our country?
But what does the Constitution say specifically about due process?
So many people today have been conditioned to obsess over a single issue. Honestly, it’s getting ridiculous. The media gives them a nudge, and off they go, waving their righteous banner. They follow no real facts, just a cry for justice. They can't see that this issue is being handled by the
courts. They just twist facts into a narrative that suits them, and couldn't care less how ridiculous they look. Never seeing the other side of any important issue. The issue here is ridding the country of criminals.Speaking up against violating the Constitution is never ridiculous. The fact that people support violating the Constitution is actually ridiculous . At this point, it is obvious that there is literally nothing Trump could do that maga wouldn't support
Where were the democrats when biden was violating the Constitution?
Where were you when the Supreme Court told biden he could not forgive student loans and biden did it any way?
Where were the democrats when the biden administration was telling social media sites to remove information they didn't agree with?
Where were democrats when pro life families had SWAT teams show up to their homes in full gear, in military gear? Where was THEIR due process?
Alas, I forget, those were American citizens who have no value to democrats.
democrats are now, always have been and always will be hypocrites.MAGA loves whataboutisms to conflate very different things.
Biden abided by court orders and changed his entire way of delivering student loan relief to ensure it wasn’t in violation of the courts....
He did not ignore court orders, like Trump....
"Judge James Boasberg of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) on March 15, 2025, barring deportations under the Alien Enemies Act. This order was intended to immediately pause any such deportations to allow affected individuals to vindicate their due process rights in federal court. However, the Trump administration proceeded with deportations despite the order..."
NPR Staff. (2025). Judge: “Probable cause” to hold U.S. in contempt over Alien Enemies ... https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/g-s1-606 … nemies-actGeneralizations again. Facts require sources. Generalizations require nothing.
Neither Congress nor presidents have made much of an attempt to follow the laws on immigration. From the Dreamer act to support of sanctuary cities/states, the laws have not been followed.
Start with January 6, 2021. Jump to January 20, 2025, and work from there. They are piling up.
Did you support Obama with the dreamer act? Did you support Biden in not deporting every illegal, wherever found? Did you support ObamaCare?
All illegal. Did you support any of them?
"Democrats don't care about the Constitution and never have.
Is that why Democrats are fighting for due process and Maga is fighting for Donald Trump?
The man is wrong, scotus declared his action of deporting people without due process as illegal...but you folks don't seem to care. It's all about one man and everything else be damned. If he stood on the White House lawn and burned the constitution, I think y'all would cheer."The man is wrong, scotus declared his action of deporting people without due process as illegal..' Willow
That’s simply not true. Trump did not break the law or defy the Constitution when it came to deportations. His administration operated under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) and other existing immigration legal frameworks.
No, the Supreme Court did not rule that President Trump's actions regarding deportations under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) were illegal.
The Court allowed Trump to continue using the AEA for deportations, as it did not declare the use of the statute illegal. However, it did emphasize the need for due process protections in these cases. Specifically, the Court ruled that individuals subject to deportation under the AEA must be given notice and a chance to challenge their removal in court. The Court did not invalidate the use of the AEA itself, but put conditions in place to ensure legal safeguards. The Trump administration is complying with the court's ruling.
Claiming he would "burn the Constitution" or that people would "cheer" for it is absurd and inflammatory. Trump has operated within the legal limits set by the courts and the Constitution. You might not like his policies, but there's no evidence that he’s ignored the law or refused to follow Supreme Court rulings. Let’s keep the criticism grounded in facts."That’s simply not true. Trump did not break the law or defy the Constitution when it came to deportations."
Yes, he violated the Constitution.. Garcia did not receive due process as enshrined in the fifth Amendment of the Constitution.
I've quoted this before... This is from scotus ruling...
"The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal."
the Supreme Court ruling acknowledged due process violations in trumps deportation practices and mandated corrective procedural protections to uphold constitutional guarantees...
Plainly put ..The Trump administration's deportation of Garcia was ruled illegal by the Supreme Court because it violated due process protections and the withholding order against his removal to El Salvador...
[PDF] 24A949 Noem v. Abrego Garcia (04/10/2025) - Supreme Court. (2025). https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 … 9_lkhn.pdf
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/sup … .%E2%80%9D
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/10/supreme … %20ruling.Do you realize how stupid this is?
They bring MS-13 member garcia back, an immigration judge rescinds the witholding order and garcia is then sent back to El Salvador where his is a citizen.
He is not a US citizen."Do you realize how stupid this is?
Does due process, as enshrined in the 5th and 14th amendments of the Constitution include anyone on American soil or not? Please... Enlighten us.
I’m not sure why you keep revisiting this issue. I haven’t seen anyone claim that Garcia’s deportation was legal. People have shared personal opinions about whether he should have been deported, but no one’s argued that it was legally justified. This is one case that is being called an accident by the Trump administration.
"Yes, he violated the Constitution.. Garcia did not receive due process as enshrined in the fifth Amendment of the Constitution.
I've quoted this before... This is from scotus ruling..."Willow
On April 7, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a temporary stay in the case concerning Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland resident who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador despite a court order prohibiting his removal. This action allowed the Trump administration to maintain his detention abroad while the Court considered the broader legal questions involved.
Subsequently, on April 10, 2025, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Abrego Garcia's deportation was illegal. The Court ordered the administration to "facilitate" his release from custody in El Salvador and ensure that his case proceeds as it would have had he not been improperly deported. Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, issued a statement expressing concern that the administration's stance implied it could deport and incarcerate individuals without legal consequence, provided the action occurred before judicial intervention.
While the Court's ruling did not explicitly declare the Trump administration's actions unconstitutional, it highlighted significant concerns regarding due process and the limits of executive power. The case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia underscores the ongoing legal and ethical debates surrounding immigration enforcement and the balance of powers within the U.S. government.
This is what the ruling shared. There was nothing mentioned about the act being unconstitutional. I can assume you may be sharing your view of the issue, which you have every right to do.
This is where the case is now: No further orders from the court on Garcia's situation."This is one case that is being called an accident by the Trump administration....
"Judge James Boasberg of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) on March 15, 2025, barring deportations under the Alien Enemies Act. This order was intended to immediately pause any such deportations to allow affected individuals to vindicate their due process rights in federal court. However, the Trump administration proceeded with deportations despite the order,..."
Judge James Boasberg of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) on March 15, 2025, barring deportations under the Alien Enemies Act. This order was intended to immediately pause any such deportations to allow affected individuals to vindicate their due process rights in federal court. However, the Trump administration proceeded with deportations despite the order,
"There was nothing mentioned about the act being unconstitutional.
It was specifically cited that Trump's actions were in violation of due process....
Due processes enshrined in the 5th and 14th amendments of the Constitution.... How were his actions not on constitutional LOL??
SCOTUS , in its ruling required compliance with due process protections before deportation actions..... Due process protections that are in the Constitution."I’m not sure why you keep revisiting this issue. I haven’t seen anyone claim that Garcia’s deportation was legal.
But you, yourself did just in a previous post...
"That’s simply not true. Trump did not break the law or defy the Constitution when it came to deportations.Your post makes no sense. My comment, "I’m not sure why you keep revisiting this issue. I haven’t seen anyone claim that Garcia’s deportation was legal.
Can you offer anyone stating they felt his deportation was legal? My context is clear... You come back with a diversion. You took one sentence from a paragraph, tried to skew the context. This is what you do--- What I pointed out was that the Supreme Court did not add any wording to the ruling, calling the deportation of Garcia or anyone else unconstitutional.
You are projecting something you believe. I will stick with what the courts have to say on this matter.The two contradictory comments that I just posted, are both from your own posts... The two quotes are your own.
No here is my full comment. My context is clear.
Sharlee01 wrote:
I’m not sure why you keep revisiting this issue. I haven’t seen anyone claim that Garcia’s deportation was legal. People have shared personal opinions about whether he should have been deported, but no one’s argued that it was legally justified. This is one case that is being called an accident by the Trump administration.
"Yes, he violated the Constitution.. Garcia did not receive due process as enshrined in the fifth Amendment of the Constitution.
On April 7, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a temporary stay in the case concerning Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland resident who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador despite a court order prohibiting his removal. This action allowed the Trump administration to maintain his detention abroad while the Court considered the broader legal questions involved.
Subsequently, on April 10, 2025, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Abrego Garcia's deportation was illegal. The Court ordered the administration to "facilitate" his release from custody in El Salvador and ensure that his case proceeds as it would have had he not been improperly deported. Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, issued a statement expressing concern that the administration's stance implied it could deport and incarcerate individuals without legal consequence, provided the action occurred before judicial intervention.
While the Court's ruling DID NOT explicitly declare the Trump administration's actions unconstitutional, it highlighted significant concerns regarding due process and the limits of executive power. The case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia underscores the ongoing legal and ethical debates surrounding immigration enforcement and the balance of powers within the U.S. government.
This is what the ruling shared. There was nothing mentioned about the act being unconstitutional. I can assume you may be sharing your view of the issue, which you have every right to do.
This is where the case is now: No further orders from the court on Garcia's situation.
"I’m not sure why you keep revisiting this issue. I haven’t seen anyone claim that Garcia’s deportation was legal.
Willow--- But you, yourself did just in a previous post...
"That’s simply not true. Trump did not break the law or defy the Constitution when it came to deportations."
As far as the SC rulings, Trump HAS NOT BEEN ACCUSED of anything unconstitutional... Period, I have offered the facts. You can read whatever you please on the issue --- I will stick with the courts. Thus far, his administration has not been accused of any unconstitutional acts."I will stick with the courts. Thus far, his administration has not been accused of any unconstitutional acts.
SCOTUS...
"The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal."
Why was it illegal? Because of violates the fifth and 14th amendments of the Constitution...DUE PROCESSI have stated multiple times that the deportation was illegal, and I also shared that it was accidental. I tend to believe it was an accident. That is all I have to say about Garcia. You need to read the comment before responding. Your repetitiveness appears to be trolling.
" You need to read the comment before responding. Your repetitiveness appears to be trolling."
Not your call.No, you have posted previously that Trump did nothing illegal...
democrats are fighting for illegal aliens and ignoring American citizens.
This is typical democrats.
Republicans are fighting for the majority of American citizens who want illegal aliens deported to their home country.
Why democrats hate American citizens so much is beyond me.Yes or no, do deportations without due process violate the constitution?
What the Court Did Say:
In the April 2025 ruling, the Supreme Court allowed the Trump administration to continue using the AEA in certain deportation cases but with conditions:
The Court ruled that noncitizens must be given a reasonable opportunity to challenge their removal in court before being deported under the AEA.
It rejected the idea that the AEA gives the executive unchecked power to detain or deport people without due process.
The opinion emphasized that due process rights still apply, even under a wartime statute like the AEA.
So, Trump can still invoke the Alien Enemies Act, but he must follow constitutional procedures, including allowing affected individuals time to contest their removal in court.
On Saturday, April 19, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court issued an emergency order temporarily halting the deportation of Venezuelan migrants detained in northern Texas under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act (AEA). This decision came in response to an urgent appeal from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which argued that the Trump administration was proceeding with deportations without providing detainees the opportunity for judicial review, thereby violating due process rights
(Note this order only covers temporarily halting the deportation of Venezuelan migrants detained in northern Texas under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act )
I have seen headlines that indicate differently --- as if the court stopped all flights. This is not factual."Judge James Boasberg of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) on March 15, 2025, barring deportations under the Alien Enemies Act. This order was intended to immediately pause any such deportations to allow affected individuals to vindicate their due process rights in federal court. However, the Trump administration proceeded with deportations despite the order"
The polite word for it is conditioned to suit narratives. And who would have ever guessed it would be so easy? I hate to use Hitler, but this form of conditioning was his biggest ploy.
Simply put, the Democrats tend to focus on telling citizens what they can’t do—wringing their hands and urging their followers to accept the status quo. Their message, as a party, often seems to be that problems are too big to fix, and any effort to change things will only make matters worse. So the advice becomes: ignore the issues, accept how things are, and stop expecting meaningful improvements—because the challenges are just too overwhelming to tackle. This is the message coming from their party, and hopefully, it’s one they keep sending, because the more people hear it, the clearer the contrast becomes.
Listen to screeching bullshit Barbie...
https://x.com/Bubblebathgirl/status/1914300070339482021
So apparently the Trump administration is going to continue to defy scotus... This is okay? First, they deport someone without due process, admit it was a mistake and then refuse a court order to return the man... This is absolutely a constitutional crisis.I haven’t seen any evidence of him defying Supreme Court orders. If you're referring to the case of the illegal migrant Garcia, the administration did attempt to deport him, but was blocked by El Salvador’s sovereign laws. Unfortunately, the incident happened, but aside from that, I haven’t noticed any other failures in carrying out deportations. As I’ve already posted, I’ve laid out most of the information on the AEA, including the timeline of court rulings and where things currently stand. At this point, we’re in a waiting game. As for Garcia, he’s now back in his country, and his fate lies in the hands of their court system and sovereign laws.
And yes, the Trump administration has some very pretty women. Not sure about what this means or implies-- I will leave that alone.
The Founding Fathers said EVERYONE in the country gets due process before imprisonment.
You're ruminating on a point that no one has disagreed with. The president of El Salvador will not let us [pick him up. They have laws too--- and we have no right to ignore them.
Absolutely No One believes this administration's disingenuous argument that this situation couldn't be rectified by Trump simply asking for the man's return.... Our government has entered into a contract, with taxpayer money that is funding the housing of these people who were illegally deported...
The financial agreement with El Salvador related to holding Garcia and others, obviously suggests they maintain significant influence over his detention conditions....
Credible legal scholars argue that Trump's claim of inability to compel El Salvador is a way to evade judicial orders and due process obligations, effectively outsourcing the denial of constitutional rights....
And there it is…now Trump on deportations saying "we cannot give everyone a trial"
Who agrees? And how do you reconcile the statement with the constitution? Please don't try to explain what he "really means". He said what he said.... Who supports it?
Are we in a constitutional crisis now?
"We can not give everyone a trial" is one of the most un-American things a President has ever posited.... LOL and from a man who has been afforded due process up the wazoo...
So......Due Process for thee, but not for me. Got it, dear leaderI agree with every word. Thank God for our right to free speech—and this president is exercising that right with clear, unapologetic common sense. I agree with using the AEA to rid this nation of criminals.
Here's what the AEA allows:
Passed in 1798, the Alien Enemies Act (still active) gives the President power to detain, relocate, or deport non-citizens from a country the U.S. is at war with — or has declared enemies — without going through normal immigration procedures.
It only applies during a war or declared national emergency involving a foreign power.
Does it override the Constitution?
Not exactly — but it limits due process in very specific scenarios:
Courts have generally upheld the AEA’s constitutionality, especially in wartime.
However, in practice, individuals can still challenge their detention or deportation on constitutional grounds, such as:
Whether they were wrongfully labeled as an "enemy"
Whether the process was abused or misapplied
So, non-citizens still retain certain protections under the Constitution, even under the AEA — but those protections are more limited.What about the Constitution though?
"I agree with using the AEA to rid this nation of criminals."
The ACT doesn't override the Constitution..As I have stated, multi[pul times, the Supreme Court has not limited Trump's uses of AEA, but as of April 7, they added stipulations that included due process. I consider deportations before that ruling were subject to the AEA laws.
Here's what the AEA allows: Before the April 7 SC ruling.
Passed in 1798, the Alien Enemies Act (still active) gives the President power to detain, relocate, or deport non-citizens from a country the U.S. is at war with — or has declared enemies — without going through normal immigration procedures. Trump was deporting criminal migrants following the laws stipulated under AEA.
What are you not understanding? The courts in no respect accused the Trump administration of anything unconstitutional in the rulings thus far.
Again, at no point have they chided the administration for using AEA, and the administration continues to have the right to use it with the stipulations the court set. The AEA is not unconstitutional, and has not as of yet been amended.I have nothing more to say on the subject---
Trump's recent post has expressed clear hostility for the rule of law: "We cannot give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years."
Will this finally get folks who claim to revere the Constitution to oppose him?We not only CAN give everyone a trial, we MUST give everyone a trial.
It's called the Constitution.
If Trump is pissing and moaning because there are not enough judges, not enough courtrooms? You FIX the system. You don't just UNCONSTITUTIONALLY IGNORE/DEFY it.
Without due process, innocent people end up in prisons or worse, which makes Trump and crew no better than dictatorial regimes.First, illegal aliens shouldn't have the protection of the US Constitution because they are NOT citizens and have broken the law to get into the country.
In 1954, there was less problem deporting illegals.
Operation Wetback was a program of massive apprehensions and deportations aimed at undocumented Mexican nationals, by the U.S. Border Patrol and alongside the Mexican government. Planning between the INS, led by Gen. Joseph Swing as appointed by President Eisenhower and the Mexican government, began in early 1954 while the program was formally announced in May 1954. Harlon Carter, then head of the Border Patrol, was a leader of Operation Wetback.
In June, command teams of 12 Border Patrol agents, buses, planes, and temporary processing stations began locating, processing, and deporting Mexicans who had illegally entered the United States. A total of 750 immigration and border patrol officers and investigators; 300 jeeps, cars and buses; and seven airplanes were allocated for the operation. Teams were focused on quick processing, as planes were able to coordinate with ground efforts and quickly deport people into Mexico. Those deported were handed off to Mexican officials, who in turn moved them into central Mexico where there were many labor opportunities. While the operation included the cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago, its main targets were border areas in Texas and California.
Overall, there were 1,074,277 "returns", defined as "confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal" in the first year of Operation Wetback. This included many workers without papers who fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone."First, illegal aliens shouldn't have the protection of the US Constitution because they are NOT citizens and have broken the law to get into the country...."
But that isn't what the Constitution actually says....No, the courts aren’t stopping Trump from deporting people. They’re stopping him from doing it illegally. There’s a difference.
Here’s reality:
-Many undocumented immigrants entered the U.S. legally and overstayed their visas..that’s a civil violation.
-Others turned themselves in at legal ports of entry to claim asylum. That’s legal. They’re allowed to remain while awaiting a hearing.
-And yes, some crossed the border without detection but they’re the minority.
In all of these cases, due process applies. The 14th and 5th Amendments guarantees it to any person on U.S. soil...not just citizens. That’s settled constitutional law.
Full stop.
We can't give everyone a trial?
Cool, guess it’s good to know that the next Democratic president can ship Trump and his cabinet off to a Central American prison without a trial and we won’t ever have to worry about them coming back.... Maga has lost its ability to talk about how important the Constitution is...I would probably say more of deliberate intent or gross negligence rather than an accident.
After a month of searching, man learns from NBC News that DHS sent his brother to El Salvador
A Venezuelan man says he and his family back home have been anguished about the "forced disappearance" from the U.S. of Neiyerver Adrián Leon Rengel.
It was March 13 when Nedizon Alejandro Leon Rengel called his brother Neiyerver Adrián Leon Rengel to wish him a happy birthday.
Alejandro never heard back from him. Federal agents detained Adrián on his way to his job at a Dallas barbershop.
For the next five weeks, Alejandro has searched for Adrián, trying to learn where he was: deported to another country? Held in an immigration facility in the United States?
He and Adrián’s live-in girlfriend called Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Texas, getting shifted from office to office with different responses.
Sometimes they were told Adrián was still in detention. Another time they were told that he had been deported back to “his country of origin,” El Salvador, even though Adrián is Venezuelan. (Alejandro provided NBC News with audio recordings of the calls.)
Their mother went to a detention center in Caracas, Venezuela, where deportees are held when they arrive from the United States, Alejandro said, but she was told no one by her son’s name was there.
They enlisted the help of advocacy groups. Cristosal, a nonprofit organization in El Salvador working with families of presumed deportees to get answers from the U.S. and Salvadoran governments, had no answers. Same with the League of United Latin American Citizens, known as LULAC.
Alejandro’s 6-year-old niece asked him almost every day: When will her dad call her?
“For 40 days, his family has been waiting to hear his fate,” LULAC CEO Juan Proaño said.
Finally, on Tuesday, an answer. The Department of Homeland Security confirmed to NBC News that Adrián had, in fact, been deported — to El Salvador.
DHS didn't respond when it was asked whether Adrián was sent to CECOT, the mega-prison in El Salvador. But Alejandro fears that's the case, given the many Venezuelans who were sent to CECOT from Texas a few days after he was detained.
The Rengel family’s experience echoes the experiences of others who have encountered the Trump administration’s mass deportation efforts — sometimes their family members seemingly disappear after having been taken by immigration authorities.
The administration has prioritized deporting men alleged to be members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, which it has designated as a foreign terrorist organization under the 1700s-era wartime Alien Enemies Act.
“Neiyerver Adrian Leon Rengel, entered our country illegally in 2023 from Venezuela and is an associate of Tren De Aragua,” DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin told NBC News by email. “Tren de Aragua is vicious gang that rapes, maims, and murders for sport. President Trump and [DHS] Secretary [Kristi] Noem will not allow foreign terrorist enemies to operate in our country and endanger Americans. They will always put the safety of the American people first.”
Asked for details and documents supporting DHS’ allegations of criminality, McLaughlin responded: “We aren’t going to share intelligence reports and undermine national security every time a gang member denies he is one. That would be insane.”
Adrian’s family denies he is a member of the gang.
“For me, it’s a forced disappearance, because he’s not communicating with anyone, they’re not permitting him a right to anything, and they’re not giving him a right to a defense — from what I understand, here we’re all innocent until it’s proved contrary,” Alejandro said.
“Then the only offense we have here is to be a migrant and be Venezuelan, and now the government has turned against this nationality,” he said, adding the government believes “we all belong to Tren de Aragua.”
Adrián, 27, came to the United States in 2023 by appointment through the CBP One app. Alejandro provided NBC News a photo of a printout confirming his brother’s June 12, 2023, appointment.
Adrián had also applied for temporary protected status, according to a Dec. 1, 2024, document from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, a part of DHS that handles immigration benefits.
In November, Adrián’s car wasn’t working, so he got a ride with a co-worker, Alejandro said. Police in Irving, Texas, stopped the co-worker, who had outstanding traffic violations, and detained them both after they found a marijuana trimmer in the co-worker’s vehicle, Alejandro said.
Police charged Adrián with a Class C misdemeanor of possession of drug paraphernalia, punishable by up to a $500 fine.
“I don’t know why that charge was leveled against him, because first, it wasn’t his car,” said Alejandro, 32. “Second, the belongings in the car were not his.”
Documents provided by Alejandro show Adrián pleaded guilty/no contest — the document doesn’t specify which he pleaded — and was fined $492. Alejandro said his brother was paying the fine in monthly installments.
Adrián had a crown tattoo with the initial “Y,” the first letter of his ex-wife’s name, on his hand, Alejandro said. When he was arrested in November, officers told him they were linking him to Tren de Aragua “because of that tattoo,” Alejandro said.
That’s why he later covered it with a tiger tattoo, Alejandro said. ICE has pointed to tattoos, including those of a crown, as indicators of membership in Tren de Aragua. Adrián also has a tattoo of his mother’s name on one of his biceps.
“We are not criminal people. We are people who studied professions in Venezuela. We had careers; we’re not people who are linked with any of that,” said Alejandro, who had jobs in banking and insurance in Venezuela and other Latin American countries but now works at a restaurant.
Adrián graduated from high school in Venezuela with a focus on science, Alejandro said, later taking a barber course amid the country’s dismal economy.
Adrián emigrated to Colombia with his then-wife and daughter and worked there for a several years. When the area became unsafe, he moved his wife and daughter back to Venezuela and then went to Mexico and applied for a CBP One appointment to enter the United States.
Adrián came to the United States “because we all know the political, social and economic situation in Venezuela” and he wanted to make enough money to buy his daughter a house back home, Alejandro said.
“I never, ever thought I would go through a situation like this,” he said, adding that the only thing he thought would happen when he came to the United States himself as a migrant was that “they either give you asylum or they deport you. Not a forced disappearance.”These 40 days of comment abstinence have been interesting.
Post a question and see where the discussion goes . . .More is coming out on Garcia ---Deported ‘Maryland man’ championed by Dems was pulled over driving car belonging to human smuggler
DHS sources confirmed that Abrego Garcia was pulled over driving an SUV belonging to confessed human smuggler and illegal alien Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes
The so-called deported "Maryland man" Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whom Democrats have been demanding the Trump administration return to the U.S., was previously pulled over by a highway patrol officer while driving a car belonging to a confessed human smuggler, multiple sources in DHS confirmed to Fox News Digital.
The sources confirmed documents reported by Just the News that revealed Abrego Garcia was pulled over driving an SUV belonging to Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes, another illegal alien who in 2020 confessed to human smuggling across the U.S.-Mexico border.
As previously reported by Fox News Digital, Abrego Garcia, a 29-year-old illegal alien whom the Trump administration recently deported back to El Salvador, was pulled over on Dec. 1, 2022, by a Tennessee Highway Patrol trooper who stopped him after he was "observed speeding" and unable to stay in his lane.
The trooper noticed eight individuals in the car with Abrego Garcia, who said he began driving three days prior from Houston, Texas, to Temple Hills, Maryland, via St. Louis, Missouri, to "perform construction work." The report on the stop states that the trooper suspected it was a human trafficking incident, as there was no luggage in the vehicle. Additionally, the individuals in the car reportedly gave the same address as Abrego Garcia's home address.
When speaking with the trooper, Abrego Garcia allegedly "pretended to speak less English than he was capable of and attempted to put encountering officer off-track by responding to questions with questions." After the incident, the officer decided not to give Abrego Garcia a citation for the driving infractions, but rather to give him a warning for driving with an expired license.
New documents further reveal that Abrego Garcia was driving a black 2001 Chevrolet Suburban that he said belonged to his "boss." The Suburban was identified by DHS as belonging to Hernandez Reyes, who pleaded guilty to human smuggling after being caught in Mississippi in a car with passengers from Mexico, El Salvador and Honduras.
According to another document also confirmed by DHS sources, the Homeland Security Investigations Baltimore field office further flagged the vehicle being driven by Abrego Garcia as belonging to a target they suspected of human trafficking or smuggling.
The office said that the "vehicle is used by HSI Baltimore target in human smuggling/trafficking operation. Vehicle makes trips to southern border to pick up non-citizens."I don't think anyone is "championing" the man. I think the majority in this country want to see the Constitution respected. An immigration Court would be the proper place to litigate all of this, not Fox News. But the incident described in your post happened almost 3 years ago and I assume that there were no charges of any type? Apparently
Garcia attended yearly check-ins with immigration without fail after being granted withholding of removal....if there had been a reason to begin deportation proceedings during that time wouldn't it have happened?How about if we design and set up several thousand "immigration courts" across the land. Every illegal must get approval on staying in the country, based on conditions prior to crossing. Each one is granted 30 minutes to provide proof that they require asylum to survive where they were before crossing the border; if they fail they are deported on the spot. If allowed to remain they are not allowed any of our welfare programs; those are for citizens, not foreigners looking for someone to support them.
Fair enough?What is the easiest and what must actually be done? Just follow the laws we have. If people feel those laws are lacking then they need to pressure their representatives to make legislative changes. Immigration will never be successfully run by executive order. You want quick legal deportations? You'll need more immigration judges. You'll need Congress to appropriate that money.. which they continually refuse to do.
Some politicians are more interested in keeping immigration as a cudgel, an issue to run on rather than actually solving the issues... And they fully believe people are too stupid to recognize that .I'm getting the STRONG impression that you are not interested in deporting anyone at all. Criminal, honest, child - they may all stay.
You know and understand at least as well as I do that there will be a tremendous fight over every single deportation, with millions spent to get rid of just a handful of illegal aliens residing in our country. To actually deport anyone is nearly impossible given the opposition and legal maneuvering.So, Wilderness, the law means nothing to you relative to your determination to support illegal non-judicial procedures? I know, because Trump told you that they are all bad guys that deserve whatever happens to them? What type of person are you? why would I want to be convicted of something without a trial?
That would be your insinuation. I don't know how more plainly and repeatedly I can say that no one, including myself, is against deportation when it is within the law. You want to subvert the constitution? Then I've got a problem with that.
"I think the majority in this country want to see the Constitution respected. "
Yes. We do. The Constitution is what makes this America. Chip away at its laws and we are something else - something less.Or at least we want to see the Constitution respected...as long as we agree it says what WE want it to say. When it doesn't, then the meaning needs changed until it DOES say what we want.
Right now, I'd take our highest leaders respecting it as is.
BTW: It doesn't do anybody any good when we just insult each other.So would I. But they won't - we have continual examples of judges "legislating from the bench".
No insult intended. While I do find it true that it is more likely a liberal wanting to "interpret" the Constitution as something that it was never intended to mean, both sides of the aisle are guilty.
Judge orders return of 2nd migrant deported to El Salvador...
A federal judge in Maryland has ordered the Trump administration to facilitate the return of a 20-year-old Venezuelan man deported to El Salvador, whose removal violated a previous court settlement, according to an order issued on Wednesday.
U.S. District Judge Stephanie Gallagher, a Trump appointee, also ordered the government not to remove other individuals covered by the settlement...oh boy.
Can't this Administration just follow the law??
https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders- … =121110233Here is a new "Maryland man" that murdered his girlfriend, you can take up for--- But I can assure you he will get due process, along with so many that are committing crimes --- at least the ones that are apprehended.
An illegal immigrant in Maryland was charged with murdering his girlfriend after her body was found in a forest outside of Washington, D.C.
The Charles County Sheriff's Office in Maryland announced Monday that 24-year-old Keycy Robinson Alexi Barrera-Rosa was charged with murder in the killing of his girlfriend, Lesbia Mileth Ramirez Guerra, 23, who was reported missing on March 31. Rosa's uncle, Rolvin Eduardo Barrera-Barrera, 37, was charged as an accessory.
Deputies said Guerra's body was found on April 17 in a "heavily wooded area" of the forest just outside of Cedarville State Forest in Prince George's County, Maryland. Her body was found buried, the officials added.
Along with Rachel Morin Killer
In August 2023, Rachel Morin, a 37-year-old mother of five, was found murdered on the Ma & Pa Trail in Bel Air, Maryland. Victor Antonio Martinez-Hernandez, a 23-year-old Salvadoran national, was arrested in June 2024 in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and extradited to Maryland to face charges of first-degree murder and first-degree rape. Authorities allege that Martinez-Hernandez illegally entered the U.S. in February 2023 after committing a murder in El Salvador. DNA evidence also links him to a March 2023 home invasion and assault in Los Angeles
And Dania Cruz-Mejia killer (Montgomery County)
In September 2024, 18-year-old Dania Carolina Cruz-Mejia was found dead in her Gaithersburg apartment. Her boyfriend, Gerber Luis Sanchez-Centeno, a 23-year-old Salvadoran national, was arrested and charged with her murder. Sanchez-Centeno had entered the U.S. illegally in June 2024 and was released under ICE's Alternatives to Detention program, which included electronic monitoring. He allegedly absconded from the program before the murder occurred .
The case has raised concerns about the effectiveness of immigration enforcement and monitoring programs. ICE has since lodged an immigration detainer against Sanchez-Centeno, who remains in custody in Montgomery.
And this little fellow --- Nilson Granados-Trejo – Langley Park Toddler Homicide
Background: Granados-Trejo, a 25-year-old Salvadoran national, was ordered removed from the U.S. in November 2022 but remained in the country.
Incident: In October 2024, he was arrested in connection with the murder of 2-year-old Jeremy Poou Caceres in Langley Park, Maryland.
Legal Proceedings: He faces first- and second-degree murder charges and is being held without bond.
William Pavon Mancock – Prince George’s County Homicide
Background: Pavon Mancock, a Honduran national, entered the U.S. illegally in 2017. Despite multiple arrests, including for auto theft and drug possession, he was released each time due to local jurisdictions not honoring ICE detainers.
Maryland Fusion Center
Incident: In October 2024, he was charged with first-degree murder after allegedly shooting a man multiple times with a Uzi submachine gun in an abandoned homeless camp in Prince George’s County.
Hisseine Gombo-Tchouli's conviction. Gombo-Tchouli was convicted in February 2023 of being an accessory after the fact to first-degree murder and unlawful possession of a firearm in Howard County, Maryland. However, official sources and news reports have not provided details about the victim's name or the specific circumstances of the homicide. This lack of information may be due to privacy concerns or ongoing legal proceedings. For more detailed information, one might consider reviewing Howard County court records or contacting the Howard County Police Department.
Jocelyn Nungaray. On June 16, 2024, Jocelyn Nungaray, a 12-year-old American girl, was sexually assaulted and killed in North Houston, Texas, United States. The case attracted national attention, as two illegal immigrants from Venezuela were charged with her murder.
Total Criminal Convictions by Type
We have a huge problem with non-citizen crime. It would seem this should concern you as much or more than some migrant criminals being deported without due process. We have laws that keep out asylum seekers with criminal records--- too bad that under Biden, these laws were not respected, and were an open invitation to criminal types to come across our borders and request asylum.I don't expect a response if I have been ex-communicated. But what hubbers need to see are the kinds of reasoning conservatives cling to, that being in constant error
It has been documented that illegals are involved in less crimes than citizens, nothing in your exhausting oratory speaks about this?
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. … -and-crime
Is this some sort of attempt to justify circumstances where it is justified under political circumstance to subject anyone to treatment outside the rule of law? I know, with the Right, they dehumanize their targets first to consequently justify their extra legal mistreatment. Is it a ruse to cover Trump's bag and drag policies of abducting people without due process? People who do these sorts of things certainly are not qualified to be MY leader. MY leader sets the example by meticulously adhering to the rule of law as its chief enforcement officer. OBEY the LAW and follow established procedures.
Is this all to give cover for Trump for blatant abuse of his discretion and authority?But turning a blind eye to migrant crime only opens the door for more of it,. Do we really need more? It’s a simple, common-sense question.
Every person I listed was here illegally. Many had serious criminal records from their home countries, yet they still got in and killed. That’s not just a failure of policy; it’s a failure of duty.
Comparing citizen crime rates to those of illegal migrants misses the point entirely. Citizens are supposed to be here, they were born here or came through the legal process. Illegal migrants, by contrast, broke the law to enter, and any crime committed afterward is an additional offense that never should’ve had the opportunity to happen here in the first place.
It’s like leaving your front door wide open and then shrugging when someone steals from your home, saying, “Well, neighbors steal more stuff than strangers.” That doesn’t make sense, it just proves you didn’t take basic precautions.
The issue isn’t about painting all migrants as criminals, it’s about minimizing preventable harm. If someone is here illegally and commits a violent act, how do we justify that to the victim’s family? “Per capita, it’s not that bad”? That’s cold comfort for someone who lost a child, a spouse, a friend.
So yes, we should apply the law fairly, but we should also have the common sense to recognize that some crimes never had to happen at all if we simply enforced the laws already on the books.
Let’s be clear: wanting secure borders and lawful immigration is not about dehumanization, it’s about order, safety, and fairness. It’s about asking a question any reasonable person would: Why are we allowing individuals with known criminal records to cross our borders unchecked?
That’s not “extra-legal mistreatment.” That’s basic national responsibility.
No one is saying to throw out the rule of law, we’re saying to enforce it. Illegal entry is, by definition, a violation of the law. If we don’t enforce that, we undermine legal immigrants who wait in line, follow procedures, and contribute in good faith. That’s not justice, it’s chaos.
As for Trump’s policies, call them what you want, but what many Americans supported was a return to consequences for unlawful behavior, whether committed by a citizen or non-citizen. Due process still applies. But showing up uninvited with a criminal history isn’t a pass for leniency; it’s a reason to act with urgency.
Common sense tells us that if someone is here illegally and has a record of violence or trafficking, removing them quickly isn’t cruel, it’s protecting your neighbor, your child, your community. And any leader who fails to prioritize that isn’t doing their job.
So no, it’s not about giving Trump “cover.” It’s about demanding that leaders, regardless of party, put the safety of citizens above political gamesmanship.
No reply necessary, my thoughts on this subject are written in stone--- we both shared our views on this subject. I am not interested in being repetitive. As I am sure you are not either."No reply necessary, my thoughts on this subject are written in stone--- we both shared our views on this subject. I am not interested in being repetitive. As I am sure you are not Either"
Just so you understand and other can think about the positions that you take.
EVERYONE is entitled to a hearing and day in court if just to ascertain their status. That is all that I am saying.....There are immigration laws though, lots and lots of them. There are laws that regulate deportation. Why can't This Administration just use them? And if they find that those laws are lacking, why can't they pass new legislation? Why is the only other option to ignore the rule of law?
Why does Maga seem to think that the president is the only one who can take any action on anything? That the government is run on executive order? We have a congress... Their job is to legislate. Have people forgotten?? It's time for these fools to reclaim their co-equal branch of government
"It has been documented that illegals are involved in less crimes than citizens, nothing in your exhausting oratory speaks about this?"
This is flatly impossible given that every illegal in the country is committing a crime every day they remain here. Every day they report for work. Every time they sit behind the wheel of a car. Every time they pick up their food stamps. The list just goes on and on and on of crimes committed every day by every illegal in the country, so you cannot (honestly) claim they commit fewer crimes.
It sounds wonderful, it is a flat out lie.I will say that your point is appreciated.
Fine, but I want due process respected to both identify and remove them, if warranted.I do too. Unfortunately, our "due process" consists of bleeding heart liberals with very deep pockets throwing up every legal obstacle they can think of, whether it will eventually make sense or not.
With that kind of opposition, Trump is correct; it is impossible to deport some 30 million illegal aliens in our lifetime.
So...what is the next suggestion? I gave one but so far no one has replied to it."How about if we design and set up several thousand "immigration courts" across the land. Every illegal must get approval on staying in the country, based on conditions prior to crossing. Each one is granted 30 minutes to provide proof that they require asylum to survive where they were before crossing the border; if they fail they are deported on the spot. If allowed to remain they are not allowed any of our welfare programs; those are for citizens, not foreigners looking for someone to support them"
Off hand, I really don't have a problem with your suggestion, it meets my demands for due process for all and yet can remove those that should not be here expeditiously. One condition, though, that a member under the Federal courts- judicial branch be there to weigh in on things as I don't trust Trumps DOJ to render a fair judgement and not just employ political retribution.You do realize that many of these rulings come from Trump appointed judges? Not that it matters. Judges are supposed to apply their rulings without any political bias.
You do realize that claiming asylum is not illegal? And that these people have the legal right to remain in the country while the claim is processed?
"We have a huge problem with non-citizen crime. It would seem this should concern you as much or more than some migrant criminals being deported without due process.
Can you provide any statistics on non-citizen crime being more prevalent than citizen crime? And whether people like it or not, due process is part of the Constitution... Is maga going to look at amending the Constitution? Removing due process so I guess just anyone can determine innocence or guilt? It's interesting that recent polling overwhelmingly shows that people believe and administration needs to adhere to the rule of law...
I mean if we get rid of due process, who determines guilt?"Can you provide any statistics on non-citizen crime being more prevalent than citizen crime?"
Your question seems to imply that unless non-citizens commit more crimes than citizens, we shouldn't be concerned about crimes committed by non-citizens at all. But that line of reasoning doesn’t hold up. Public safety isn’t about comparing groups and picking which crimes to ignore—every crime matters, regardless of who commits it.
Citizens have a right to be here. When someone enters the country illegally and then commits a crime, the issue isn’t just the crime—it’s that it arguably shouldn’t have happened here in the first place. That’s why people care—it’s not about playing statistical games with per capita rates.
No one says, ‘Well, citizens murder people too, so why care if an illegal migrant does?’ That logic wouldn’t fly in any other context. If a preventable crime happens due to a failed policy or lack of enforcement, it’s still a real harm, and it deserves attention.
Since the rest of your comment is repetitive, I don’t see the need to respond further."Your question seems to imply that unless non-citizens commit more crimes than citizens, we shouldn't be concerned about crimes committed by non-citizens at all.
No, my question is in response to the statement you previously posted "we have a huge problem with non-citizen crime"
I don't actually believe we have a huge problem. There aren't stats that support such a statement.I feel my comment has a clear context that addresses your question.
I had to interpret the meaning due to your lack of context in your questipon
"Sharlee01 wrote:
"Can you provide any statistics on non-citizen crime being more prevalent than citizen crime?" Willow
Your question seems to imply that unless non-citizens commit more crimes than citizens, we shouldn't be concerned about crimes committed by non-citizens at all. But that line of reasoning doesn’t hold up. Public safety isn’t about comparing groups and picking which crimes to ignore—every crime matters, regardless of who commits it.
Citizens have a right to be here. When someone enters the country illegally and then commits a crime, the issue isn’t just the crime—it’s that it arguably shouldn’t have happened here in the first place. That’s why people care—it’s not about playing statistical games with per capita rates.
No one says, ‘Well, citizens murder people too, so why care if an illegal migrant does?’ That logic wouldn’t fly in any other context. If a preventable crime happens due to a failed policy or lack of enforcement, it’s still a real harm, and it deserves attention."
I'm not sure why you asked for stats; I already offered stats in a previous post. I could only assume your line of thought. One murder is too many when committed by one who should not have even been in the country. I have shared all I intend to on the subject. It is more than apparent that we don't share the same idea about migrant crime. So, time to agree to disagree.The chart that you offered is sorely lacking in detail. It doesn't have a comparison group... I wonder why? How do you hope that Congress can change existing laws that govern the procedures of admitting migrants to the country? Legislation is lasting, executive orders are not.
As I mentioned earlier, I have nothing more to add on this subject. In the spirit of honesty, I’ve decided that going forward, I’ll be more selective about who I respond to here on HP’s forum. I’ve always made an effort to reply to everyone who engaged with my comments, but I no longer intend to do so. The repetition in conversations and my growing lack of respect for certain ideologies have led me to this decision. I simply don't see the value in investing energy where there’s no potential for common ground.
"We have laws that keep out asylum seekers with criminal records--- too bad that under Biden, these laws were not respected, and were an open invitation to criminal types to come across our borders and request asylum.
How were procedures and policies not followed? That's an awful big accusation. If screening procedures weren't followed, it's hard to believe that the administration would have never been taken to task legally. Also, you do realize that criminal records from other countries have always been extremely difficult if not impossible to always obtain.
Here is the portion of this new memo where
Doj Barbie attacking the Constitution again....
She purports to authorize federal law enforcement to enter the home of any person even SUSPECTED of being in Tren de Aragua WITHOUT getting a warrant first...
They call it a "reactive apprehension." I call it unconstitutional...
Question, my neighbor is a real pain in the ass. He has a lot of tattoos... Wondering if I can turn him in as suspected TDA??Here is the portion of this new memo where
Doj Barbie is attacking the Constitution again....
She purports to authorize federal law enforcement to enter the home of any person even SUSPECTED of being in Tren de Aragua WITHOUT getting a warrant first...
They call it a "reactive apprehension." I call it unconstitutional...
It's chilling. Out DOJ declares that once they say someone is an "Alien Enemy," they can toss aside the Fourth Amendment if they think it's "impracticable" to get a warrant first...
Question, my neighbor is a real pain in the ass. He has a lot of tattoos... Wondering if I can turn him in as suspected TDA??
Three U.S. citizens, ages 2, 4 and 7, swiftly deported from Louisiana
Three U.S. citizen children from two different families were deported with their mothers by Immigration and Customs Enforcement during the early hours of Friday morning. One of them is a 4-year-old with Stage 4 cancer who was deported without medication or the ability to contact their doctors, the family’s lawyer said.
According to their lawyers, both families were taken into custody while attending routine check-ins this week in New Orleans as part of the Intensive Supervision Appearance Program, which allows individuals to remain in their communities while undergoing immigration proceedings. Lawyers say the families were taken to Alexandria, Louisiana, a three-hour drive from New Orleans, where they were prevented from communicating with their family members and legal representatives and then put on a flight to Honduras.
The cases have renewed concerns that the Trump administration’s expedited deportations are violating the due process rights of both citizens and noncitizens.
“I don’t know how much more of a blatant or clear constitutional violation there can be than deporting U.S. citizens without due process,” said Alanah Odoms, executive director of the ACLU of Louisiana. “Especially with some of those citizens being the most vulnerable of all vulnerable, children, and not just any children, children with medical conditions that are dire.”
Lawyers representing the father of the 2-year-old U.S. citizen who was deported, identified as V.M.L. in court documents, filed an emergency petition in the Western District of Louisiana on Thursday seeking her release. The child was put on a plane to Honduras the next morning before the court opened.
Hours after the deportation, U.S. District Judge Terry A. Doughty, a Trump appointee, issued an order expressing his concern that the girl had been deported against her father’s wishes while stressing it is “illegal and unconstitutional” to deport U.S. citizens.
“The government contends that this is all OK because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her,” wrote Doughty, who has been lauded for his conservative rulings in the past. “But the court doesn’t know that.”
Doughty set a May 16 court hearing to investigate his “strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.” The order did not call for the girl’s return or recommend any recourse for the family.
According to court filings, the girl had accompanied her mother and 11-year-old sister to the immigration appointment in New Orleans on Tuesday morning. About an hour later, her father, who had driven the family into New Orleans for the meeting, received a call informing him that the family had been taken into custody. That night, the girl’s father was allowed to speak with her mother for only a minute before an ICE agent ended the call, lawyers contend. Lawyers say the man did not get the chance to speak to his partner or child again until after they were released in Honduras.
“Both of these mothers were held without the ability to speak with their co-parents and the guardians of their children while making this incredibly personal and difficult assessment about what was best for their children,” said Gracie Willis, the lawyer for V.M.L.’s father.
Justice Department lawyers argued that “the man claiming to be V.M.L.'s father” had failed to prove his identity to the government despite requests that he present himself to ICE agents, adding that he had also “demonstrated considerable hesitation” regarding the inquiries into his immigration status. The man’s lawyers included V.M.L.’s birth certificate in their fillings, which shows she was born in Baton Rouge and lists the names of both her mother and father.
The government is not disputing the immigration status of any of the three children. Instead, officials contend that the undocumented mothers opted to take their citizen children with them back to Honduras. In their court filing, Justice Department lawyers attached a note they say was written by V.M.L.’s mother saying that she was taking the child with her to Honduras.
Willis says ICE’s refusal to allow the women to talk to their lawyers meant there was no way to verify whether that was true in these cases.
“We have absolutely no idea whether they ever actually did give consent for their children to come with them or if they did under what kind of duress and what other options were presented to them,” Willis said.ICE's Position
ICE has maintained that the mothers voluntarily chose to take their children with them during deportation. However, attorneys representing the families dispute this claim, citing the lack of communication and potential coercion involved in the process.Sure! The mothers politely asked ICE to keep the children in the US rather than with her, explaining that under Constitutional law they were US citizens and could be put into the foster care system.
And I have a big, beautiful bridge to sell if anyone is interested!The statement suggests that the mothers were informed of their options and chose to take their children with them. Given the Supreme Court order, it seems these mothers should have had hearings. This could become a tricky situation for ICE if due process was not followed.
I think it is wise to see what the courts say on this one. I would think ICE would be very careful to give due process and make sure they follow any laws regarding deporting migrants. I wonder why these moms were deported. I thought ICE was concentrating on criminals. So, makes me wonder if they broke an immigration law, and were picked up.
I have not looked into this report--- I think I will wait and see what the courts find on this one. Too many unknowns at this point."On Friday, U.S. District Judge Terry Doughty — a Trump nominee — ordered a May 16 hearing in Monroe, Louisiana based on his “strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.”
“It is illegal and unconstitutional to deport, detain for deportation, or recommend deportation of a U.S. citizen,” Doughty wrote, citing relevant case law. “The government contends that this is all OK because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her. But the court doesn’t know that.”And, of course, those children were forcibly deported, against the will of the mother. She, after all, wished them to go into the foster care program rather than stay with her.
You do understand just how foolish your statements are? It does not occur to you that we did Mom a favor by paying to transport her kids with her, that we did not forcibly deport any children against the will of their guardian?Where is the statement from the mother's attorney, as she received due process, that those were her wishes?
"The government argued that the mothers opted to take their citizen children with them back to Honduras, but the lawyers say there was no way to verify this due to the lack of communication."
One of them apparently has a father here... Who was not contacted.
Again, why can't This bunch just follow the immigration law? They violate the rule of law and the Constitution literally at every opportunity
Three U.S. citizens, ages 2, 4 and 7, swiftly deported from Louisiana. (2025). https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigrat … orted-ice/Where is the statement from Mom that it wasn't?
You have made tremendous assumption, designed and intended to demonize ICE and Trump...but those assumptions are just that. Assumptions without fact to back them.
You want to contact the father? WHICH father? The tenth (or hundredth) one you have performed a DNA test on? The one without a marriage certificate OR name of the birth record of the child?
Once more - just what Constitutional law was violated by leaving the children with their parent? You're really grasping on this one!iCE should have proper documentation of exactly what these women requested. At least one of these children was said to have a father in the United States and we don't know if the others had relatives also that they could have gone to... This is obviously on its way to court and ice will have to prove that they followed the law. Simple as that.
Dan — Oh Dan, why even bother? It’s pretty obvious some people are more than happy to ignore the law when it fits their emotions. Things are getting real soggy around here... I’m pulling the plug on this one.
Where the law stands --- these women all had warrants to deport. ICE offered them the right to take their children--- they did. ICE was within the law to let them do so. The rest is media feed for those affected with TDS. I am sticking with the laws on the books, and trusting ICE to do their job, and trusting them to be truthful.
based on U.S. law and long-standing immigration practice.
Here’s the legal reality behind it:
A U.S. citizen child cannot be deported.
That is protected by the Constitution (14th Amendment) and multiple Supreme Court rulings.
When a parent is deported, they have the right to take their U.S. citizen children with them — but the government cannot force a citizen child to leave the country.
The decision belongs to the parent.
Immigration courts and ICE officers will offer the deported parent two options:
(1) Take your U.S. citizen child with you, or
(2) Arrange for your child to stay in the U.S. (with family, guardians, or the foster system if needed).
Relevant laws and cases that support this:
Plyler v. Doe (1982): Establishes that immigration status does not strip people of basic constitutional protections.
Zadvydas v. Davis (2001): Reinforces that the government must respect citizens' constitutional rights during immigration enforcement.
Immigration and Nationality Act (INA): The INA governs removal (deportation) proceedings and includes family considerations in some cases.
The quote you were answering (about it being "illegal and unconstitutional" to deport a U.S. citizen) is true, but it does not conflict with the process where a parent chooses to take their citizen child along voluntarily.
In short:
✔️ U.S. citizen child = cannot be deported.
✔️ Parent = deported because of their own immigration status.
✔️ Parent = has the right to take their citizen child or leave them safely behind.
✔️ Government = cannot force either decision, only offer the choice.
source https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/file … hatgpt.comWho is ignoring the law? The judge ordered an additional hearing... I suppose because he is following the law ...
He said there is ...
“strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.”
“It is illegal and unconstitutional to deport, detain for deportation, or recommend deportation of a U.S. citizen,” Doughty wrote, citing relevant case law. “The government contends that this is all OK because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her. But the court doesn’t know that.”
ICE we'll have the opportunity to present documentation to either prove that they have followed the law or not.And a specific judge, in a specific court, has decided that he wishes to gather more information about what law enforcement is doing, even though out of his jurisdiction.
He can kick sand. When he has a case before him, brought by someone with standing to know what the judge is asking for, he can request public knowledge available to anyone. Until then he can pound sand. IMO.
This judge is stretching his authority completely out of shape.
77 million vote for THIS?
I sincerely doubt it.
The more I read on this, reports suggest that these mothers had already received deportation orders. When they showed up at ICE offices, they were detained and deported, with the option to either leave their U.S. citizen children behind or take them along. It seems they chose not to leave their children behind. While the details are still unclear, it appears that ICE was acting within its legal rights to deport them. Here is an article that gives a bit of background on why the women were detained and deported. ICE was doing its job.
Of course, we now see the media ready to blame ICE, even though they were just doing their job. And we have emotional types jumping on board to vilify ICE for doing their job. Just a great media story to set hair a fire. Bad Orange man- Bad Ice agents- Bad hair day.
https://www.hotsr.com/news/2025/apr/27/ … ant-and-3/Of course, there is always, always, always.... the rest of the story!
Leftists (including media) go off half-cocked every time with every story, which has the potential to indict Trump +!!
Every single time, they bark up the wrong tree, but that never stops them from doing it over and over, coming off as very "foolish"!
They never learn!The more I read, the fishier this whole situation seems. These women all had deportation orders, and ICE was simply doing their job. If these moms wanted to take their children with them, they had that right. But if they've changed their minds, let’s bring the kids back to the U.S. We can find them homes with family or in foster care. I’m all for following the law—bring them back. The mothers, however, have no right to return; they've been legally deported. This is exactly why we need to end birthright citizenship. Hopefully, the Supreme Court will hear the birthright case soon. It’s more critical than ever to set clear rules in situations like this. If a mother loses the right to stay in the U.S., she has the right to either take her child or leave her child. Her right to remain in the country has been revoked.
Amen. End it, and be done with all of this craziness!
Where is the documentation that says they stated they wanted to take their children with them? That should be very easy to produce as far as ice documentation... Everything should be clearly documented according to laws on the books.
This isn't about the mothers though, it's about the children.
From The source you cited...
"Lawyers in the cases described how the women were arrested at routine check-ins at ICE offices, given virtually no opportunity to speak with lawyers or their family members and then deported within three days or less..."
Gracie Willis of the National Immigration Project said the mothers, at the very least, did not have a fair opportunity to decide whether they wanted the children to stay in the United States.
"We have no idea what ICE was telling them, and in this case what has come to light is that ICE didn't give them another alternative," Willis said in an interview. "They didn't gave them a choice, that these mothers only had the option to take their children with them despite loving caregivers being available in the United States to keep them here."
You're ignoring the judge's statement in his ruling...
He stated that there is..
“strong suspicion that the government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process.”
“It is illegal and unconstitutional to deport, detain for deportation, or recommend deportation of a U.S. citizen,” Doughty wrote, citing relevant case law. “The government contends that this is all OK because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her. But the court doesn’t know that.”
My post is based upon this judge's ruling. Not my assumptionsKeeping a child with their mother, their guardian, does not make it "deportation" no matter how many times liberals say that it does. Not even if a idiot liberal judge says it is.
I guess you missed the fact that this is a trump appointed judge...
"Cruelty is the policy" and a MAGA is just fine with that,
Make America Great Again?
How about Make America Good Again? And after Trump, it will take a while.
In the case of the 2 year old; The lawsuit says that when the 2-year-old’s father tried to talk to his partner and give her the contact information for their lawyers, the ICE officer literally grabbed the phone out of the mom’s hand and hung up on him.
Give it a rest, they entered illegally. They are criminals, stop putting them on a pedestal.
We got it... you hate Trump with a passion! You would give any one and anything, a pass, for that reason alone.
And then we have this...
Trump fires more immigration judges even as he aims to increase deportations
Why would you get rid of immigration judges that handle the due process that must be given under our immigration laws? Why wouldn't he be adding judges?
"At least eight immigration judges received notices that they would be put on leave and their employment would be terminated on April 22, according to two people familiar with the firings and to the International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers union, which represents immigration judges. The two people spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.
The judges who received the notices weren't given a reason for the terminations. They were at the end of their two-year probationary period with the Executive Office for Immigration Review, or EOIR, which is part of the Justice Department. EOIR declined to comment on personnel matters."
But I guess it makes sense in light of Trump's statement..
"We cannot give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years," Trump posted on social media on Monday. "We would need hundreds of thousands of trials for the hundreds of thousands of Illegals we are sending out of the Country. Such a thing is not possible to do."
But please, tell me more about how you love the Constitution...
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-53 … dges-fired
If you don't like npr, the story has been reported by every other source out there... Take your pickDo you agree with the following statement? And if you do, how do you reconcile it with the constitution?
"We cannot give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years, We would need hundreds of thousands of trials for the hundreds of thousands of Illegals we are sending out of the Country. Such a thing is not possible to do."What does the fifth Amendment say about due process? You're claiming that it states the process is only for citizens?
Do you think the Fifth Amendment, grants Garcia citizenship?
No it doesn't and it has nothing to do with citizenship... Maybe you should read the due process clause. Just a thought.
DUE PROCESS APPLIES TO ANYONE ON AMERICAN SOILYes, but what due process involves is not defined. Expedited removal is considered due process.
Garcia was not eligible for expedited removal. You don't seem to understand the parameters of how expedited removal can be used. Why is it too much to ask that Trump uses the procedures that are written into law?
You'd have to amend the Constitution then.... But it looks like your group is perfectly okay with violating the Constitution as long As Trump says so..
No amending necessary, whether I like it or not, Garcia got his day in court when he went before an Immigration Judge in 2019. The Judge determined that the El Salvador native and citizen was, in fact, a gang member, here in the States illegally. He had no (as in zero) possession of immigration papers/documents. Nothing which gave him any right(s) to stay here.
Did you miss the 2019 hearing in which a judge granted Garcia a withholding of removal?
This is the due process that people crossing the border should get:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jD6yP6Pnp6E
Some countries just know how to do things right.But you're conflating enforcement and the right to due process as guaranteed by the Constitution? These are two very different issues. But our law says that even those people in Poland slipping through a fence would be allowed to make an asylum claim were that a border between Mexico and the United States...
You may break our laws coming in, but once here you will have to deal with a nation of laws just like everybody else. That is, as long as we remain a nation of laws.
The notion that we are a nation of laws was badly bent when the entire system was weaponized to go after Trump.
And it broke in half when Biden "proactively" pardoned people because they might commit crime in the future. Then it turned to dust when Biden pardoned his son for crimes he committed.
Hard to reconcile being a nation of laws after watching liberals and specifically Biden, with their legal shenanigans.
Ken,
Again, I ask, where was this concern for due process when obama and clinton were deporting millions of people. obama alone deported over 3 million people.
Where was the cry for due process and rule of law then?
The hypocrisy of the left knows no boundaries.
Interesting collection of 'reports' on the border
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytAXZtqtyf4OMG Ken, This is so sickning. And imagine we have some in our society defending this kind of law-breaking, offering sympathy to those who have blatantly broken our laws. Thanks for sharing this clip.
Absolutely no one defends breaking the law
Except the left who supports illegal immigration which is against the law.
No one supports illegal immigration, no matter how many times you misrepresent a group of people. Still doesn't make it true. Maga supports a man that believes violating the Constitution is okay...
" offering sympathy to those who have blatantly broken our laws."
Offering sympathy is one thing.
Electing them to the presidency is a whole other level of unbelievable.I prefer to focus on topics that interest me and don't appreciate comments that try to derail the conversation. I was responding to a video Ken posted and have no interest in discussing Trump's legal standing.
Please keep that in mind when replying to my comments. Not to be rude, but just being honest: there are others on the HP forum who share your perspective, so maybe it would be more productive to engage with them.I know... I was absolutely shocked when Biden was elected...
Still somewhat surprised there is anything left to America after his 4 years...
Not that they didn't try like heck to sink the ship while they had the chance.
Lol this is what Cash Jordan is doing now? His YouTube used to be his life as a real estate agent showing rentals in NYC... I guess whatever makes money
I am convinced that maga followers have little to no knowledge of our Constitution....
‘We’re citizens!’: Family traumatized after ICE raids home, but they weren’t suspects
OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) — A woman says her family’s fresh start in Oklahoma turned into a nightmare after federal immigration agents raided their home, taking their phones, laptops and life savings — even though they were not the suspects the agents were looking for.
The agents had a search warrant for the home, the woman said, but the suspects listed on it do not live there.
The woman, whom Nexstar’s KFOR will refer to as “Marisa,” had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier. They rented a house in a seemingly safe neighborhood, looking for a slower, more affordable pace of life.
“Marisa” told Nexstar’s KFOR that she endured a terrifying ordeal on Thursday morning when federal agents raided her home and seized her belongings, despite not being the suspect the agents were looking for. (KFOR)
“I was like, ‘OK, Oklahoma’s my home now,’” Marisa said.
But any sense of comfort they began to feel in Oklahoma City disappeared Thursday morning, when about 20 men, armed with guns, busted through the door.
“I don’t know who they were,” Marisa told KFOR through tears. “It was dark. All the lights were off.”
Marisa said the men identified themselves as federal agents with the U.S. Marshals, ICE, and the FBI.
On Tuesday, a spokesperson for the U.S. Marshals Service denied having agents present during the raid, telling KFOR they were “aware of the operation before it happened,” but did not assist in any capacity.
“I keep asking them, ‘Who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening?’” Marisa said. “And they said, ‘We have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said the agents then ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments — her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa eventually learned the names on the search warrant did not belong to her or anyone in her family. Instead, she recognized them as names listed on mail still arriving at the house, likely former residents.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. ‘We’re citizens.’”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” Marisa said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and rifled through what few belongings they had, ultimately seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said, ‘You took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,’” she said. “’I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around.’ Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment acknowledging that the ordeal must be “a little rough” for her.
“It was so denigrating,” she said. “That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was ‘a little rough?’ You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said she and her family have, quite literally, nothing. Her husband wasn’t even around to help, as he had stayed back in Maryland for a few extra weeks and had planned to join them this weekend.
“I said, ‘When are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” Marisa said.
Marisa said she’s now left with nothing but questions.
“What if I would have been armed?” she said. “You’re breaking in. What am I supposed to think? My initial thought was we were being robbed — that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped. You have guns pointed in our faces. Can you just reprogram yourself and see us as humans, as women? A little bit of mercy. Care a little bit about your fellow human, about your fellow citizen, fellow resident. We bleed too. We work. We bleed just like anybody else bleeds. We’re scared. You could see our faces that we were terrified. What makes you so much more worthier of your peace? What makes you so much more worthier of protecting your children? What makes you so much more worthy of your citizenship? What makes you more worthy of safety? Of being given the right that they took from me to protect my daughters?”
Marisa told KFOR the agents wouldn’t even leave her a business card, and gave her no instructions or contacts for reclaiming the items they confiscated.
Marisa told KFOR the U.S. Marshals Service and the FBI were involved in this raid. However, the U.S. Marshals Service has denied its involvement.
When reached for comment last week, a spokesperson for the FBI told KFOR it was assisting with the case and directed inquiries to Homeland Security. Late Tuesday, the FBI told KFOR it was not on the scene and again instructed KFOR to contact Homeland Security.
A spokesperson for Homeland Security said that they would look into the incident and get back, but have yet to follow up.
As for Marisa’s phones, electronics, and cash, they had no idea which agency was in possession of those belongings or how to get them back.Your guy doesn't even understand that the picture he was holding in the oval office of Garcia's tattoos was photoshopped with "m s 1 3" as a supposed interpretation of the tattoos on his knuckles...
https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1917381376111960380
He is obviously mentally confused...
The administration acknowledged that Garcia’s deportation was a mistake — an unintentional error. The Court ordered Garcia’s release and return to the U.S., and the administration made efforts to comply. However, the president of El Salvador refused to release him. At that point, there was nothing more the U.S. could do.
MAGA believe/justifiy anything. Now, I guess they'll change the talking point.
Trump says he ‘could’ return Abrego Garcia to US, but won’t
“You could get him back,” Moran said to the president. “There’s a phone on this desk.”
“I could,” Trump replied.
Moran continued: “You could pick it up, and with all the power of the presidency, you could call up the president of El Salvador and say, ‘Send him back,’ right now.”
“And if he were the gentleman that you say he is, I would do that,” Trump told the senior correspondent. “But he’s not.”
He's openly defying the courts, even the Supreme Court. What else do you all need, MAGA? I guess that's how you like them; orange tinted autocrats.So now we have the Secret Service harassing a George Mason Student for basically writing and quoting words said earlier by Jefferson and the “Founding Fathers” regarding tyranny and despotism. The student suggested killing the purveyors of such, without mentioning names. Obviously for the Trump administration, the comments proved to be too close to home. I would kill tyrants and despots rather than have my existence reduced to nothing more than slavery.
“Sic semper tyrannis"
Trump and his regime continues to intimidate and operate on the very guardrails of the 1st Amendment.
Kudos to the young man and his article and DOWN with TRUMP.Probably, and I probably missed the dates of his dental appointments too.
Do you have a specific grievance when it comes to this particular illegal gang member... because you are all over the place?Garcia was granted withholding of removal by Immigration Judge David M. Jones in 2019...Withholding of removal is a legal protection that prevents the U.S. government from deporting an individual to their home country if it is more likely than not (over 51% chance) that they would face persecution or serious harm there. So he had the right to stay here until that order was rescinded and a deportation order put in its place.
So if I have this straight... your "grievance" is that this Judge didn't
think he would be safe in El Salvador, therefore, he didn't send him back home. We are to disregard his gang affiliation and his record of domestic violence and protect him and his due process at all costs?
Okay, it took a minute for us to here, but got it!
Strongly disagree. He needs to be gone, and I am done here, wasted too much time on this!The continued fixation on this individual seems misplaced. He actually received due process twice, so I'm not sure why you keep saying otherwise. He didn’t just get one chance in 2019 — he appeared before two immigration judges. He was found to be a gang member.
At this point, it's old news. ICE has stated he was mistakenly deported, and the president of El Salvador has declined to extradite him. The U.S. currently has no legal power to force his return. According to ICE, if he does re-enter the country, it would be a straightforward process to detain and deport him again. This person has a serious criminal history, including domestic violence, alleged trafficking, and alleged involvement in a murder. It's unclear why there's still so much focus on him when the legal path forward is already defined and limited."The U.S. currently has no legal power to force his return.
Completely untrue and Trump himself even confirmed that he could pick up the phone and have the man back... The administration just doesn't want to. Our taxpayer dollars are funding the imprisonment of these deportees... Of course we can get them back.
The focus on the case? It's called due process. It is the fact that this Administration has blatantly disregarded the Constitution. That's still matters to people.
There are laws that govern deportation. This Administration needs to follow them.
"This person has a serious criminal history, including domestic violence, alleged trafficking, and alleged involvement in a murder. "
and who should determine if he is guilty of any of these and therefore deportation orders be handed down? That is why we have due process...
Trump received due process up the wazoo... But we should restrict others from receiving the same? How does that work? if we ignore due process who gets to decide who is guilty, who is innocent and who receives what sort of punishment?
This is a matter of supporting the Constitution or supporting Trump.
This Administration decided to violate his withholding of removal order and to issue a deportation order, not a court. Let that sink in and what an abuse of power that is.
The issue is due process as guaranteed by the Constitution. This man didn't receive due process. Not sure how to make it any more clear. You obviously believe that due process should be doled out selectively. The judiciary should determine guilt or innocence or if someone should be deported or not. It's really very simple, this Administration needs to abide by the Constitution. That's it. Yes, you've made it very clear that you are strongly against the Constitution. As are most magas
She's actually making perfect sense.
These days it's hard to keep up.
The U.S. currently has no legal power to force his return.
Only MAGA would fell for that.
Im sure most of them know that's BS anyway, but they do love to repeat the talking points.
That's an old one, btw.It is absolutely a pile of disingenuous BS
"Trump Hemorrhages Support 100 Days In"
Even on handling illegal immigration, where Mr. Trump receives his highest marks, support for his policies is declining and public concerns are rising. A plurality of Americans think that his deportations have gone “too far” and regard his approach as “too harsh.” Nearly 6 in 10 Americans think his administration is making mistakes in carrying out its deportation policies, and by a margin of nearly 2 to 1, they think the administration is disobeying court orders. Concerning the highly publicized case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia,
“Due process” may sound abstract, of concern only to lawyers and educated elites, but Americans understand and support it. By large majorities, they believe that green-card holders and other legal residents are entitled to broad procedural protections, including the right to be informed of the charges against them, to have a fair trial, to present a defense and to appeal court decisions. They even support certain protections for illegal immigrants: Fifty-seven percent say the government should be allowed to deport them only if evidence is presented and evaluated in a hearing.
The Trump administration regards these protections as unduly constraining, but the American people prefer fairness to speed. The administration seems determined to press ahead, but if it does, public opposition could stiffen further. Already, 54% of Americans believe that Mr. Trump is exceeding his legal and constitutional powers."
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/trump-hemor … amp;page=1And still, President Donald Trump is way more popular than the democrat party.
How do you think posting a photo of himself as the Pope will impact his favorability ratings? What a weird thing to do...
I think President Donald Trump knows how to make the left go crazy over things like this that most people find funny. All the Catholics I know found it funny. Why? They are secure enough in their faith that when something like this happens they can shrug it off.
President Donald Trump knows how to play the left and they are so full of themselves they ALWAYS take the bait. They have no idea what he's really doing which makes it really funny and the left look silly.
Why do YOU think the democrat party is so hugely unpopular with the American public?It isn't. But keep saying it if it makes you feel less threatened for putting a felon in the White House.
Good point. I don't see a problem with Trump's polls. I mean, I have never seen him enjoy good polls, even on both days he won the election. Now the Democratic party's polls--- yikes.
Yes, the Democratic Party is currently experiencing some of the lowest approval ratings in its modern history. Recent polls indicate that only 27% of Americans have a favorable view of the Democratic Party. The media can't even put lipstick on this pig...
A federal judge today rejected the Trump administration's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport Venezuelans it alleges are members of the criminal organization Tren de Aragua.
U.S. District Judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr., of the Southern District of Texas, wrote in an opinion that he does not question the executive branch’s authority to direct the detention and removal of aliens who engage in criminal activity, and he noted the administration can continue to rely on the Immigration and Nationality Act for those proceedings....
A win for the rule of law.Your comment needs more context --- The recent ruling by U.S. District Judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr. in the Southern District of Texas specifically blocks the Trump administration from using the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) of 1798 to deport Venezuelan migrants in that jurisdiction. However, this decision does not constitute a nationwide injunction. Therefore, while it sets a significant legal precedent, it does not legally prevent the Trump administration from attempting to invoke the AEA in other states.
Judge Rodriguez's ruling does not stop the Trump administration from using the Alien Enemies Act in other states, but it sets a significant legal precedent that could influence future judicial decisions on the matter.The ruling, which is limited to the Southern District of Texas, prohibited the administration from using the wartime law because the president’s claims about a Venezuelan gang do not add up to an “invasion.”
Similar cases are already teed up in other courts. This will make its way up the chain to scotus. The conditions to invoke the alien enemies act do not exist. We have immigration law and I am confident that the Supreme Court will direct this Administration to use it or change it through Congressional legislation.
None of them are convicted felons or sex offenders.
That's where Trumper lose that argument.
There were good reasons to go after Trump and to protect people from his vengeance, as he has already proven in his first 100 days.Well I hope those "convictions" keep you warm and toasty...
They came at a price, that price was ensuring Trump was a shoe-in to be elected President again.
Without the relentless persecution through the courts, the media and a couple failed assassination attempts thrown in for good measure... I doubt he would have been nearly so popular a figure as he was for that election.Bingo! I'm always thankful that the Democrats campaigned for Trump without even realizing it. Their behavior, the lies, the censorship, the blatant manipulation, woke up millions of Americans. People saw just how low a political party is willing to sink in a desperate attempt to hold onto power. And in doing so, they exposed themselves.
In my view, they didn’t just weaken their own platform; they divided their own party and pushed out the voices of reason. They marginalized the thoughtful, the moderate, the truly intelligent Democrats who once stood for working-class values and replaced them with radicals who shout louder than they think.
The American people aren’t stupid. We watched the media run interference, Big Tech silence opposing voices, and the left use identity politics to guilt and shame anyone who dared to think independently. But it backfired. All of it. Because now, more Americans than ever are awake, alert, and done with the games.
And that’s why Trump is surging. Not just because of who he is, but because of who they revealed themselves to be.""And that’s why Trump is surging. "
In what world?? At 100 days, he is the most unpopular president in history.Willowarbor: They are delusional. Otherwise, why would they have voted for a twice impeached, multiple felon, sex offender?
Because a large chunk of them are as disgusting as their twice impeached, multiple felon, sex offender president.
But yes, they are delusional.
I wouldn't use the word "lies" in defense of Trump. Thousands and counting . . .
"I wouldn't use the word "lies" in defense of Trump. Thousands and counting . . ." Kathleen
As a rule, I can't understand your one-liners. So I pass them by. This one, I believe, I understand the context.
The dishonesty, and yes, outright lies, perpetrated by the Democratic Party form a list so long it’s hard to keep up. We’re not talking about verbal slips or off-the-cuff remarks, which is what Trump is so often hammered for. No, we’re talking about intentional, calculated deception, corruption that has altered elections, destroyed reputations, and divided the country.
This isn’t speculation. It’s well-documented and undeniable.
Just a few examples of the lies and manipulation:
The Russia collusion hoax, Years of media frenzy, millions of taxpayer dollars wasted, and no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. Yet they pushed it like gospel.
The Hunter Biden laptop cover-up – Suppressed by Big Tech and dismissed as “Russian disinformation” just before the 2020 election. Now, even mainstream outlets admit it was real all along.
The Steele dossier and FISA abuse – False information used to spy on American citizens, including Trump’s campaign, setting a dangerous precedent for weaponizing federal agencies.
The false “fine people” narrative – Deliberately misquoting Trump to paint him as a racist, even when the full transcript shows he explicitly condemned white supremacists.
The Steele Dossier – A debunked, Clinton-funded opposition research hit piece used to justify surveillance on a presidential campaign.
The COVID misinformation flip-flops, from masking and lockdowns to school closures and vaccine mandates, Democrats pushed policies that devastated lives, then quietly changed their tune without ever taking responsibility.
The “border is secure” claim – As record numbers of illegal crossings flood the country, they still pretend everything’s under control.
January 6th distortions – Painting it as an “insurrection” while ignoring or downplaying the 2020 riots that caused billions in damage and cost lives.
Targeting parents at school board meetings – Labeling concerned moms and dads as “domestic threats” for speaking out against radical curriculum and DEI agendas.
Weaponizing the DOJ and FBI – Going after political opponents while turning a blind eye to actual corruption in their own ranks.
Hiding Biden’s cognitive decline – The media and the Democratic establishment continue to cover for President Biden’s clear cognitive struggles. From repeated verbal gaffes to moments of confusion during public appearances, they’ve tried to downplay his mental state, knowing full well it’s a liability. They’ve failed to address the issue head-on, instead offering vague explanations or silence, which leaves the American people questioning whether their commander-in-chief is truly fit for office. They would rather hide the truth than admit the toll age and missteps have taken on a man who is supposed to lead the nation.
This is just a few of the vile ploys that the Democratic Party perpetrated. And I have just scratched the surface. I have read several of your comments where you stated something on the order of, and this is who you voted for --- right back at you.
You absolutely have the right to comment on my posts, but let’s be honest, we see the world through very different lenses. I’d respectfully suggest you scroll past my thoughts the same way I scroll past yours. To be frank, your comment reads more like trolling than genuine conversation.I counted 11.
"As a rule, I can't understand your one-liners."
"To be frank, your comment reads more like trolling than genuine conversation."
About 100 readers a week don't seem to have your problem.
You find what you are looking for. I can't show you what you don't want to see.
I'm sure you don't understand that sentence either."You find what you are looking for. I can't show you what you don't want to see." Kathleen
Fair enough—but that goes both ways, doesn’t it? If we’re only willing to see what confirms our own views, then real conversation becomes impossible. I'm here to exchange ideas, not just echo chambers."I'm sure you don't understand that sentence either."
That was rude. I apologize.I sincerely appreciate your apology, though it's not necessary. I respect your right to express your views, it's clear you're passionate about your beliefs, just as I am about mine. I do wish our society could take a step back and recognize that individuals are complex, with many interests beyond politics. If we could remember that, (me included), I think we might all get along, and communicate better. Thank you again
P.S. I know I can be overly critical at times, I'm aware of it and working on it. So, I’ll offer my apology as well.
"I’d respectfully suggest you scroll past my thoughts the same way I scroll past yours."
I tend to reply to your posts for the benefit of other readers.Anyone else see the images of Trump’s top aides rolling out the red carpet to white South African “refugees” yep, almost brought me to tears...tears of disgust and revulsion.
Allowing white South African refugees into the country ahead of so many others is an attack on America, a country that claims being white isn't the only thing that matters.
I don’t blame Afrikaners for taking Trump’s offer to get a chartered plane ride to America, as well as help with housing, groceries and other needs that MAGA revolted against giving to brown-skinned people.
I blame the hypocrisy of Trump’s color-coded asylum program, which cuts so deep into America's soul that even the Episcopal Church would rather end its government resettlement agreement than be part of this charade.
Presiding Bishop Sean Rowe said in a letter that the Afrikaners were “selected in a highly unusual manner, receive preferential treatment over many others who have been waiting in refugee camps or dangerous conditions for years."
Do these Afrikaners have a legit asylum claim? Of course not, certainly not by Trump’s standards set for everyone else.
Fleeing cartel violence? No matter. Fleeing famine or persecution? No matter.
Trump has effectively shut down the asylum program and has instead been conducting high-profile raids, detentions and deportations to hellhole prisons El Salvador.
Trump also ended temporary protections to hundreds of thousands of Haitians, Afghans, Venezuelans and Ukrainians, among others.
But now the U.S. is chartering plane loads of Afrikaners because they’re allegedly being persecuted by South Africa’s overwhelming Black population?
It’s shameful to watch the preferential treatment for white Afrikaners while the U.S. has shut the door to so many others...
Where is the outrage?That is seconded. Conservatives always harp to me about their desire for a Color-blind society, it is just another lie and ruse. If only I received a nickel for every time I heard that, I would be richer than Elon Musk. What makes these farmers situation so dire that we roll out the "white" carpet, while the plight of dusky hued people are rejected and ignored?
I positively loath these sorts of people and their glaring hypocrisy.
I am "outraged" that someone like you (faceless and nameless) has taken over the political forum with your propaganda campaign.
There I said it, HP, and I stand by it.How do you feel about South Africans being chartered into the country, red carpet rolled out with lots of nice benefits while we are kicking out Afghans ... Those who risk their lives working for us in Afghanistan.
I bet MAGA "feels fine" about it and loudly applauds the Whites being uplifted and everybody else sent back to die.
Well I'm quite certain that HP would 86 me if I were breaking any rules...
No, more likely they'd 86 me for saying what needed to be said.
When it comes to the Afrikaners....
The lack of knowledge of facts and hypocrisy from the left is overwhelming.
I think it is more than hypocrisy, it is blatant racism.
"They (Afrikaners) are fleeing a country that in many forms has been discriminating against them, and thousands have called to kill them. They are clearly not welcome in South Africa and are now being unfairly labeled as Nazis by the American left. It's insanity. The same political party that seems to want every minority to be let into America and never be deported without ever confirming their asylum seeking status, immediately rejects seemingly legitimate asylum seekers because they're white. It's sad. The videos I've seen of them have been smiling, husbands and wives holding their children, and also waving American flags. Not rioting in the street waving Mexican flags."
"The stories and photos of the murdered SA farmers is horrific; babies beaten to death in a bathtub, elderly people sodomized with broom sticks in a pool of blood. The media has swept this under the rug for decades.
SA is a failed state with no future (like most of Africa) do to rampant corruption and the theft of everything not welded to the ground.
Not even the traffic lights are safe"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liqvp6FWfXIThis is debatable. There is no credible evidence to support that white South African farmers are being specifically targeted for racial violence or subjected to a racially motivated campaign of killings. South Africa has extremely high violent crime rates that affect all racial groups.
But even if I accepted the idea that these people are fleeing persecution... Why would their situation eclipse that of they suffering of others whose refugee status has been pulled? Especially that of Afghans? For me, that is a despicable betrayal.
Daily Border Apprehensions
April 2025 - 279
April 2024 - 4,297
Amazing what happens when you are no longer providing taxi services, free tickets, free phones, bank cards with funds provided all by Tax payer debt in one way or another...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8i2Oym5xkI'm honestly thrilled with what President Trump accomplished at the border, it's nothing short of historic. He prioritized national security, restored order, and took real action where others just made promises. It's a huge step forward for protecting American communities and enforcing the rule of
law. I can sum up how I have been feeling since Trump returned --- relief.Same, Shar! Everyone should be sleeping better, whether a small percentage are willing to admit it or not.
Trump is rolling right along, just as I expected, and I’m loving every minute of it. At this point, it’s fair to say he’s not just gaining momentum; he’s steamrolling. In fact, I’d argue he’s effectively created a new political movement, one that doesn’t have an official name, but is clearly distinct from the traditional Republican Party. You can see it in the base, the messaging, and the priorities. Whether or not it gets formally recognized, this movement already functions like a new political party, and it’s reshaping American politics in real time. And I am getting to watch all this history being made.
Its a fight that has only begun to be fought...
Its the next stage, the next phase, the next location of the global altercation that is beginning to engulf more nations...
The issues of the Cartels taking control behind the scenes of the Mexican government... funding and technological support for much of this being supplied through various Chinese efforts... China clearly sees how both Canada and Mexico can be exploited, how NAFTA can be exploited.
Word has been getting out to Ex-Pats living in Mexico that things may start heating up for gringos in Mexico if trends/corruption continue on course...
That's the problem when you adopt a victim/oppressor outlook on society and have an ongoing national/cultural identity crisis... it makes it very difficult to wage an effective war (economic, cultural or military) against someone when you are labeling/classifying them as the victim/aggrieved and yourself as the oppressor/aggressor.
Which is exactly what our MSM/Left media does when it labels agencies/pillars of society meant to keep order, to ensure justice and peace... as evil, as tyrannical, as the enemy... when it paints the Border Patrol as racist... and attempts to equate MS-13 gangmembers with victims.
Amazing what happens when you break the law...
Trump administration acknowledges another error in a high-profile deportation
When a Guatemalan man sued the Trump administration in March for deporting him to Mexico despite a fear of persecution, immigration officials had a response: The man told them himself he was not afraid to be sent there.
But in a late Friday court filing, the administration acknowledged that this claim — a key plank of the government’s response to a high-stakes class action lawsuit — was based on erroneous information.
Immigrations and Customs Enforcement officials now say they have no record of anyone being told by the man, identified only by the initials O.C.G. in court papers, that he was unafraid of going to Mexico. The error, they say, was attributable to a “software tool” known as ICE’s “ENFORCE alien removal module” that tracks individual deportation cases and allows staff to insert comments.
“Upon further investigation … ICE was unable to identify an officer or officers who asked O.C.G. if he feared a return to Mexico,” said Brian Ortega, assistant field office director for ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Operations, in a sworn statement to the federal judge overseeing the lawsuit.
The mistake may have been costly: The judge overseeing the lawsuit said last month he did not order the administration to facilitate O.C.G.’s immediate return from Mexico in part because of the dispute.
ICE’s acknowledgment is the latest in a string of errors that have led judges to fault the administration for attempting to carry out President Donald Trump’s mass deportation campaign at a breakneck pace — often at the expense of due process.
It occurred in the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran man — accused of gang ties by the administration — who was hurriedly deported to his home country in violation of a court order that found he could be a target for violence by a local gang. It also occurred in the case of Daniel Lozano-Camargo, a Venezuelan man deported to El Salvador in March despite a court-approved settlement requiring the administration to adjudicate his asylum claim first.
Many of those targeted by Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act — a wartime power the administration has wielded to speed deportations of those the government deems “terrorists” or “gang members — have claimed they were erroneously identified as members of a violent Venezuelan gang. The Supreme Court on Friday blocked Trump from another round of Alien Enemies Act deportations, warning that the administration had failed to provide a meaningful chance for those targeted to contest their designation as gang members.
O.C.G.’s case is part of a separate lawsuit against the administration’s decision to rely on so-called “third countries” for deportation. Under the administration’s policy, if an immigrant’s home country won’t accept them, or they have a legitimate fear of returning, authorities may send them to an alternate country instead.
However, Murphy has blocked such deportations without notice, saying those deported under the “third country” policy must have a similar opportunity to raise challenges and legitimate fears of torture or persecution.
O.C.G.’s case was one of the original factors in Murphy’s decision. The man said he fled Guatemala in April 2024 to escape persecution. He claims that while crossing through Mexico, he was targeted for being gay, raped and held captive until his sister paid a ransom. He then arrived in the United States.
In February 2025, a judge granted him withholding of removal to Guatemala, finding his fear of persecution to be legitimate. But the administration quickly deported him to Mexico without notice, his attorneys sa
In his ruling blocking third-country deportations without notice, Murphy referenced the administration’s claim that O.C.G. had told ICE he was unafraid to return to Mexico, but he said he didn’t buy it because it was based on hearsay from Ortega. However, because of the dispute, Murphy declined to immediately order the government to facilitate O.C.G.’s return from Mexico. It’s unclear whether the admission from the Trump administration will alter his thinking.
The administration has appealed Murphy’s order to the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals, which sided with Murphy on Friday and rejected the government’s effort to quickly lift the block on third-country deportations.
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