Who is the one to blame for the shutdown? GOP, the Republicans or President Obam

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   endenfinposted 11 years ago

   Who is the one to blame for the shutdown? GOP, the Republicans or President Obama?

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   gmwilliamsposted 11 years ago

   
   
   The Republicans are rightfully protesting Obamacare.  They believe that this disaster of a health care plan will eventually socioeconomically devastate the American economy.  President Obama insist on this "health care" plan although it would be a disaster.
   
   It is President Obama's ultimate intention to institutionalize and socialize health care.  American health care functioned well enough.  People who are uninsured still get health care.   Many hospitals are willing to work with uninsured people via programs that offer pay scale payments.   President Obama had better concentrate on improving the socioeconomic status of America instead of further deciminating it.

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      gregasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Why haven't the they come up with a counter offer of health cars? Just wondering. Greg

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      Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Actually the Obamacare bill was written in complete secrecy by the man who claimed it would be done in full public view on cspan.
      It is filled with loopholes and flaws, but it is being used by Obama to shutdown the gov instead of fixing the flaws.

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      gregasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      But where is a counter offer. I'm not backing Obamacare, I just think the best way to settle this is with a better plan. We DO need a change in medical care, so why not make a better offer. My opinion, Greg.

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      Justsilvieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      gregas, they have no plan, they liked it like was. Lots of profit and scr*w the rest of  us.

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      LandmarkWealthposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There were several...This is just an outline of one from the house.  Just because you disagree with them, stop pretending they haven't presented multiple ideas. http://www.scribd.com/doc/169148535/The … Reform-Act

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      Prakash RnPposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Are you sure that there's enough substance in the Republican claim that Obamacare would 'eventually socioeconomically devastate the American economy'? What are their main points, I should like to know.

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      LandmarkWealthposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I'd love to answer that one, but there isn't enough space to type.  But I would point to the fact that healthcare had NO cost problems, and more availability before the gov't became a market participant in the mid 1960's.

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   Justsilvieposted 11 years ago

   The Teabaggers are to blame... Period! ACA is a Band-Aid on a badly broken system. Those who think our health care is the best in the world are deluding themselves it is just the most expensive on the planet. (It is the best if you have the money to pay for it)  You have start somewhere and the "Business As Usual" folks could give a flying … about anything except the profit line. It is here, it is law, people need to get over it and move on.

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      gregasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Your last sentance says it all Silvia. Greg

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   Borsiaposted 11 years ago

   It is a bit of both sides but given that the Obamacare bill is full of hidden clauses, loopholes and flaws, which Obama admits, I have to side with blocking the bill.
   It never should have been passed to begin with.
   In 2008 Mr, Obama told the American people that the health care bill would be done with 100% transparency, that it would be done not only with full oversight by both parties but that it would be on public TV.
   The bill was done completely behind locked doors in secrecy.
   The Republicans are reflecting what the people were saying at the time, and since, that the bill should be fixed before it takes effect. I have to agree with them on this even though I'm not Republican, or all that conservative.
   Obama should offer to table the bill until it is up to snuff, but that would mean stripping it of hidden clauses.
   Instead the administration is targeting the things that will have the most detrimental affect on taxpayers rather than cutting the crap.
   So both parties are equally at fault for being in this financial mess to begin with and sadly corruption is at the heart of it.
   Now both sides need to get together and cut deep in the right places.
   Raising the debt celling isn't the answer, which is what Obama is pushing for in order to fund this bad bill.
   I don't see either side doing the right thing.

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      gregasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't like the hidden stuff either. I read a lot of it and it has nothing to do with the medical end of the bill. But, the other side, what ever you want to call them, have NOTHING to offer. Go figure. Greg

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   LandmarkWealthposted 11 years ago

   Anyone involved deserves some degree of blame.  However, the President as carried himself like a dictator.  He doesn't seem to want to accept the fact that the house is controlled by another party.  And he does not just get whatever he wants.  He gives these soaring speeches about the danger about voting against the debt ceiling based on an ideological stand.  Yet he did precisely the same thing as Senator Obama as a means to defund the war in Iraq. 
   
   The House went from defunding the act, to now only asking for the same one year waiver of fines on those that opt not to participate as was given to corporate America.  And several other positions that they have since abandoned.  The irony is the left is typically railing against special treatment for big business, and yet here they are defending exactly that. 
   
   Ultimately, in every bipartisan poll the ACA is unpopular, and the President barely mentioned it in his re-election bid.  It was not an issue in the last election because Gov Romney passed legislation that was just as poorly designed on a smaller scale.  The members of the house campaigned on defunding this legislation, and are now following the will of their constituents.  The President on the other hand is fighting for a piece of legislation that is unpopular with the majority of Americans, some of which voted for him.  There are a number of people that support him and like him, and just not the ACA. That is now true among labor unions of all the unlikely places.  So when we look at who is following the will of the people, it is hard to argue the President is.  That being said the will of the people is not always correct.  Although in this case I think it is, as this legislation is an utter compliance and regulatory atom bomb on the private sector.
   
   The difference between the President and men like President Clinton, is he could placate his constituency.  But even when he had to be dragged to legislation in order to save political face, he was far more practical.  He helped pass a degree of welfare reform, as well as reforming aspects of the tax code like the capital gains tax.  He was someone who understood that governing means you try to get your way as much as you can.  But you never get all of what you want. That comes from experience, which President Obama had none of.  He speaks as though his word is final.  But what can we expect from an administration that hasn't passed a single budget, even when they held a super majority for 2 years.

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      gregasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Why don't they quit worrying WHO to blame and concentrate on WHO will be the hero in settling this and getting on with business and life. Just my opinion, Greg.

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      LandmarkWealthposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds great...But their ideas on what should be done are light years apart.

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   M. T. Dremerposted 11 years ago

   Obamacare was voted into law by the house and senate, then signed by the president. This is how we make laws. When opponents said that it was unconstitutional, it worked its way up to the supreme court. They ruled that it was constitutional and the law was allowed to stand as it was. So, in other words, opponents of the bill lost the battle. All of us have something that we oppose, but if a law goes through all the right channels and doesn't get shot down, then we move on to other issues.
   
   I'm not saying that the law is perfect (it isn't) but at this point in the game, congress should be passing adjustments to it, rather than re-fighting the battles of the past. I don't think any citizen would be opposed to new amendments to the law, but it's a very specific group of congressmen who are still fighting to remove the entire thing and it's because of this group that we have the shutdown. They can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that they lost, so they are throwing a tantrum to get a lollipop. While democrats are fumbling in congress just as much as republicans, it definitely seems like this tantrum throwing is coming primarily from the GOP in the House of Representatives. They've ceased governing and turned to a religious-like opposition to everything surrounding Barack Obama. It has turned all of congress into joke.

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   BuffaloGal1960posted 11 years ago

   We need to outlaw Democrats and Republicans and get back to UNITED STATES.
   I sorely disagree with Obama.  I think he is purposely destroying the United States. It's my opinion.  Don't throw things at me.

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      gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Totally agree, many people are waking up to this fact.  The writing is on the wall.

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   Paul Froehlichposted 11 years ago

   I agree with the majority of Americans.  According to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, the public blames the Republicans by a margin of 53-31%.  Obama's approval rating is up 2 points since last month.

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      Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Another poll says that 60% of the respondents want to see everyone from both parties given the boot, including Obama.
      The problem is that there is another poll every 15 minutes, each going in the direction desired by who ever is doing the polls.

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      Paul Froehlichposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Wall Street Journal skewed the poll to make the GOP look bad?

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      Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      A more telling poll was published the other day that 60% of all Americans want to toss the whole lot to the curb President, Senate and Congress and start over. This is the highest # in history, this poll I believe.

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   lucas84posted 11 years ago

   I think both republicans and Obama are doing the wrong thing. The republicans should try to put the matter of the obamacare on the table without having to use threats, if this is the only way they can get attention maybe they should work on their communication skills.
   Obama cannot refuse to "have a conversation" because that's not how you suppose to lead a country. American politicians showed 2 things:
   1) they don't really care about the americans and the economy otherwise we would not be in this situation
   2) they should find another job, running a parliament means listening to other ideas and having compromises, all they are doing is argue on the expenses of american. At least they offer entertainment, not sure they've got voted for this

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    IDONOposted 11 years ago

    They are all to blame! Instead of doing all the finger pointing and playing the blame game, they would work on solutions to our problems, (which is their job that we elected them to), we would all be better off.
         This is what happens when political agenda becomes more important than the welfare of the American people.

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       Prakash RnPposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I don't agree with you. I think Democrats should not be blamed for the shutdown. Obamacare is meant to do good to the Americans. Republicans were wrong to oppose it.

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       Borsiaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It may have been meant to do good but it was concocted in secrecy after claims that it would be done in public view and the bill is full of endless problems and loopholes for Obama's special interest friends. No bill should be passed with many flaws

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    lone77starposted 11 years ago

    All of the above. Two heads to the same Corporate Party beast.
    
    The greed of Wall Street at work.
    
    They're ruining America skyrocketing the national debt toward oblivion and that Ponzi scheme is unsustainable as all such schemes are. They're blowing the place up and raking in all the profits they can during the ongoing explosion. When the dollar goes bust, planet Earth civilization is toast.
    
    Time to get spiritual.

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       Prakash RnPposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       There's no doubt that the US debts burden is going to grow unmanageable. But I think it has nothing to do with the 'greed of Wall Street' or anything like the 'Ponzi scheme'. I am going to publish a hub soon on the shutdown and what caused it.

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