"Pelosi says Dems NEAR DEAL on health care bill": Yahoo!

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   fishskinfreak2008posted 14 years ago

   Web-site/URL: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
   
   When was the last time A POLITICIAN kept a promise?

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      starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      um.... like never

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   LegendaryHeroposted 14 years ago

   It'll never pass.

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   JON EWALLposted 14 years ago

   HUBBERS
   
   Today, speaker of the house Pelosi stated ''WE NEED TO PASS THE BILL
   SO THAT WE WILL KNOW WHAT IS IN IT ''. That statement should
   tell you something about what is going on in the democrat controlled
   congress and the Obama administration. We got to hurry and pass this
   bill, really, even if the people reject the present bill.
   
   Wake up America, we are not being told the truth, the whole truth about
   the healthcare bill. This radical group in Washington wants our elected
   representatives to pass a bill that is not yet written or debated. The CBO
   can't score the health care reform bill  until it is written and we know
   that the final legislation has not been written or posted

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   MikeNVposted 14 years ago

   "WE NEED TO PASS THE BILL SO THAT WE WILL KNOW WHAT IS IN IT ''
   
   Isn't that crazy?  Obama is basically giving an ultimatum for legislation to be passed into law BEFORE Congress can even read what is in the Bill!
   
   Is this Democracy?
   
   The people can see how wrong this is... will the Congress?
   
   Pelosi Logic:
   
   I wonder if these pills are Arsenic or Asprin?
   
   You'll have to take one and find out.

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   tony0724posted 14 years ago

   Of course she's gonna say that !

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   JON EWALLposted 14 years ago

   HUBBERS
   
   President Barak Obama has been meeting all week behind closed doors trying to convince the democrats to vote yes.
   
   No republicans allowed,no C-SPAN allowed,just wheeling and dealing Chicago style. The president delayed his trip to the middle east 3 days in order to twist some arms of the no voters.
   
   If Pelosi had the votes, the house would vote.
   
   Now it's a matter of the people or the party. A culture of corruption in Washington is coming to the surface?
   We the people need a win.

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   MikeNVposted 14 years ago

   They are going to push it through somehow some way.
   
   If they have to buy ever single dissenter in the Democratic House.
   
   Does your state need more money Mr. Dissenter?  Just tell us how much ... we have your vote right?
   
   Every politician on both sides has their price.
   
   It's absolutely ridiculous that they are now attaching Student Loans to a health care bill.
   
   Republicans and Democrats alike should be appalled.  What kind of precedent is being set for the future for both sides?
   
   You get your way when you are in power by making private backdoor deals and stuffing every bill with unrelated pork... making them so big that the people who have to vote on them can't even read them.

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      Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Mike -
      You keep pushig this theme of pork and payola - It happened to get 60 votes in the Senate and I hated it. NE FL & LA demanded special deals. But they are being stripped out in the  reconcilliation process. They won't be enacted. So you should be saying that. Regarding the education provision, here's the truth -
      
      From Thehill.com:
      
      "You can only send one budget reconciliation [package]," Miller said.
      
      The lending legislation would make the federal government the originator of student loans, essentially eliminating the private student loan industry. Under the proposed reform, private banks would still service the loans.
      
      The Congressional Budget Office estimates the bill would save taxpayers $67 billion over 10 years."
      
      Budget reconciliation  is a one-time-per-budget procedure.
      
      I'm not invited to the meetings, but I wuld guess that the student loan reform was something that democrats did not want to expose to a GOP fillibuster, so to get it passed it was included. This is not a deal that favors one state over another, or one district or one industry. Education reform was on the list. This item gores the banking industry - excuse me if I don't cry -  to the benefit of students and the deficit. You want to protect the banks? Or you have something against students? What's your beef - other than a desire to cast something that's totally appropriate as something sinister.

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   MikeNVposted 14 years ago

   "But they are being stripped out in the  reconcilliation process."
   
   If only that were true:
   
   "Other sweetheart provisions that remain in the bill include special perks for Florida ("Gatorade"), Louisiana ("The Louisiana Purchase"), Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota and Utah ("The Frontier States"). There may well be others, and staffers on the Hill, who come to work each day equipped with espresso shooters, magnifying glasses and hair-splitters, are sifting through the stacks of verbiage."
   
   "The administration gave signs of retreating on its demands that senators jettison special home-state deals sought by individual lawmakers that have angered the public.
   
   Taking a new position, he said the White House only objects to state-specific arrangements, such as an increase in Medicaid funding for Nebraska, ridiculed as the "Cornhusker Kickback." That's being cut, but provisions that could affect more than one state are OK, Axelrod said.
   
   That means deals sought by senators from Montana and Connecticut would be fine — even though Gibbs last week singled them out as items Obama wanted removed. There was resistance, however, from two powerful committee chairman, Democratic Sens. Max Baucus of Montana and Chris Dodd of Connecticut, and the White House has apparently backed down."
   
   Apparently the game is to take out one thing... wait for the response try to get the votes... if not then take out one more and repeat.
   
   Not exactly stripping out the pork and special interests.
   
   "The legislation would provide health insurance to tens of millions who currently have none and would ban insurance companies from denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing conditions."
   
   Unfortunately forcing insurers to take on those with pre-existing conditions will raise premiums for everyone. This is like telling auto insurance companies they have to insure people convicted of a DUI at the same rates as those who are not.  While people with pre-existing conditions do in fact need insurance, they also are not really "insurable"... because there are really no unknowns. They will immediately use services.  And someone has got to pay for those services.  That's reality.
   
   Would be nice to believe their is an "affordable" solution to every single persons needs for medical access.  But in reality there simply is not.
   
   America has so much money to spend... so much to give.  We live in a country that chooses to fund War and not social services.  Good or bad... that's the way it is.  And this Health Care Bill won't fix anything.  It will only drive costs higher.
   
   The Federal Government needs to fix Monopolistic practices and let the market do it's job.  If company A is charging too much in a free market people will go to company B.  They can't do that right now.  But a mega bill ripe with pork and special backdoor deals won't change that either!
   
   The Federal Government has got to target the abuses and stop demonizing and entire industry. There are some great insurers doing a very good job.  I've mentioned this before:  Kaiser lost $700+ million 2008!  Were they charging too much or providing too little?
   
   I am very much for reforms in Health Care, they are needed. But I am very much against this legislation as it's a disaster.  It's 2,700+ pages and there is no final version.  When there is a vote will be expected before it can even be read.
   
   Keep in mind the hold up is not the Republicans... it's that the Democratic Party can not even bring itself together. This is a direct reflection upon their leaderships insistence on a Mega Bill.

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