"Dems look to health vote WITHOUT abortion foes": Yahoo!

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   fishskinfreak2008posted 14 years ago

   Web-site/URL: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100311/ap_ … e_overhaul
   
   It's gonna be a dogfight.

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   JON EWALLposted 14 years ago

   fishskinfreak2008
   
   Pelousi don't have the votes as yet,if she did the house would vote.President Obama has been meeting all week with house members.
   The priorities of president Obama and the leaders of the Democrat Congress are not in step as to the needs of the people.
   
   Polls show that 60% of the people want the bill scraped,Obama's rating is down to 46% and yet congress is pushing against the will of the people.
   
   More and more everyday the incompetence and arrogance of President Obama is exposed.
   
   Where are the jobs? The people need jobs before Health Care in these troubled times.

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      Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, she wants everyone to vote yay on the bill just to get it through and then "we'll fix it later".
      
      I think that's treason . . .

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         Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         From Politicsdaily.com 3-13-10
         
         "The head of the national association of Catholic hospitals, which holds great sway in the health care debate, threw her support Saturday behind the contested Senate reform bill in a move that could give a major boost to the legislation's prospects."
         
         GOPUSa put out today... (03-13)
         
         "Congressman Bart Stupak (D- MI) met with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) this week to negotiate a possible compromise on abortion-funding, and surprisingly expressed optimism that a deal could be reached to pass President Obama's "health" care bill.   Stupak's statements appeared to contradict his previous promises, that he and 12 Democrats would vote against the Senate bill, on which Obama demands a March 18 vote. "
         
         Add these togetther and you have a frature in the anti-abortion crowd that will put the House vote over the top.
         
         MadameX - look up what treason is before you start tossing that term around.  It doesn't mean doing something that will raise you taxes.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Wonder if tyranny would be considered treason?....
            
            Pelosi sure is one of the tyrants.
            
            Why don't you define treason for us, Doug?   And I'll look it up too....

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      Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Polls do NOT show that 60% want the bill scrapped.
      
      I quote Newsweek-
      
      "As Democrats struggle to salvage health-care-reform legislation, a new NEWSWEEK Poll shows that while a majority of Americans say they oppose Obama's plan, a majority actually support the key features of the legislation. The findings support the notion that Democrats have not done a good job of selling the package and that opponents have been successful in framing the debate. The more people know about the legislation, the more likely they are to support major components of it....
      When asked about Obama's plan (without being given any details about what the legislation includes), 49 percent opposed it and 40 percent were in favor. But after hearing key features of the legislation described, 48 percent supported the plan and 43 percent remained opposed."
      
      What this tells me is that the lies and deception about 'death panels' funding for abortion (there is ont) benefits for illegal aliens (there is none) rationing (there is none) and a laundry list of false claims managed to unsettle a lot of voters. Should an informed Congress be held to the results of shaeless fearmongering by the medical insurance companies and the GOP?
      
      Pass the frickin' bill!

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         creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         newsweek polls are about as impartial as you
         
         
         yes do pass the friken bill so we can get rid of this scumbag president quickly

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   I'm sure there will be enough arm-twisting, threats, and bribes to force the bill through. I do, however, think the dems will pay for it in November - UNLESS the bill is really great when put into practice. In that case, the dems will be heroes!
   
   I like parts of the bill, but I hate the unfairness of it. Why will my ins. be taxed when those of union members won't be? Why do the rest of us have to pay for NE's Medicare - forever? Not to mention the bribes for FL and LA.
   
   Oh, and I loved it when Nancy said we'd find out what's in the bill after it passes. Surprise!

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      Kenrick Chatmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Habee, I believe it will take a few years before the bill is fully implemented.
      
      However, the Democrats will be fine in November if they have strong candidates (or stronger than the alternatives). Passing this bill will be a major accomplishment.
      
      Both a Jobs bill and unemployment extension bill are on the horizon.
      
      So if we start to experience monthly job gains shortly, the Democrats will be just fine.

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      Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Habee, The special provisions for NE, LA & FL are the first items that are going to be stripped out in reconcilliation, I understand. The quetion of whether your insurance will be taxed depends on how much you pay in annual premiums. Off the top of my head, I think the threshhold for a family policy is 27,000 per year which is pretty high. If your policy is less than that, there's no tax. The exemption for unions is not permanent, but it's long enough to allow the union to renegotiate the insurance benefit with the impact to the union members taken into consideration - which they could not do if (for example) a 4-year contract was negotiated last year. If you buy your own insurance, you are not locked into a 4-year contract.  Your comment brings to light the skill with which critics of the health care plan have twisted the meaning and intent of the health care bill.

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   awareposted 14 years ago

   are we to spend millions prolonging the life of the sure to die?  while paying for the murder of the yet to live? not this  guy . never

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      Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We are all sure to die. Until that happens the question is suffering in pain or handicapped in your daily life with a treatable condition - if you had the means to get it treated. The suggestion that the bill pays for abortion is a lie - repeated over and over. And stil a lie.
      
      For those who wonder what's true - this is from the news 03-13.
      
      "The head of the national association of Catholic hospitals, which holds great sway in the health care debate, threw her support Saturday behind the contested Senate reform bill in a move that could give a major boost to the legislation's prospects."
      
      Do any of you think a Catholic nun in an important position would support the bill if it paid for abortion?

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   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

   Who knows?
   Stranger things have happened.
   
   The problem is that ALL the Bills being introduced are being done BY our so-called "leadership" with a stack of pages of writing that NO ONE is putting into plain language accountable to the average American citizen.   Just like the rest of accountability from this Administration is nil, nada, zero.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'll write my congress woman and ask that the bill be dumbed down to the point that ALL can understand it.  All legislation should be free of big words that make your head hurt.

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         Kenrick Chatmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         lol.. I think that was also the advice for John Kerry during his presidential campaign... to dumb down his rhetoric so all could understand.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            It's called the "Palin Amendment"

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               Kenrick Chatmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Or George W

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         Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Absolutely!
         And free of manipulations of speech/definitions/Constitution.
         Remember Obama is/was a lawyer, and that combined with his already-twisted sense of morality is a dangerous thing.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hmmmmm, I thought you would approve.

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   MikeNVposted 14 years ago

   The Democrats are going to just keep stuffing the bill with Pork and buying off people behind closed doors until they finally get their way.
   
   Ethics in politics is an oxymoron.  This just shows that the people of the United States of America are not in charge. Elected officials do NOT represent the will of the people.
   
   Could it be any more clear?
   
   People who support this bill have no idea how devastating it's going to be to the poor and working class. The very people this bill is supposed to help are going to get slammed.
   
   They will be forced to buy insurance or jailed.
   
   But they can not afford insurance or they would have insurance now.  And no matter how much double speak there is about making insurance "affordable" it still has to be paid for by someone.
   
   The Government solution is Tax Credits.  But you do not get a check in the mail each month to pay the premiums.  You apply for your tax credit when you pay your taxes each year.  Until then who pays the premiums?  And who is the burden of the credit shifted to?  Ultimately someone has to pay for those tax credits.
   
   The even bigger problem is there is already an estimated shortage of 60,000 primary care physicians.
   
   http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/healt … 7care.html
   
   http://www.newsweek.com/id/234218
   
   Insurance companies will NOT pay claims unless the care of the patient is managed by a primary care physician. This is to keep costs down.  You do not make an appointment directly with a specialist.
   
   This will lead to even longer wait times to get in to see Doctors.
   
   Insurance does not provide 100% coverage.  A typical plan is an 80/20 PPO.  The insured pays 20%.  A typical visit to the Doctor is $100+ so there is a least another $20 a pop out of pocket not counting prescriptions.
   
   The poor can not "afford" insurance and if mandated won't be able to use the insurance.
   
   Now Team Obama wants to cut medicare payments to Doctors. Medicare is an optional plan.  Doctors will simply opt out of the program creating even bigger shortages.
   
   The whole Obamacare plan is just a disaster waiting to happen.  It will make health care for the poor even worse.  Specialists and Physicans who want to actually earn a living will form private co-ops that only the wealthy will be able to participate in.
   
   This bill is an absolute mess.  The Democratic party refuses to address health care issue by issue. Get rid of the monopolies, fix the abuses one at a time.
   
   No they create mega-bills that are so full of pork and have so little to do with health coverage that they will drive the National Debt beyond the point of repayment.
   
   And like driving, health care is NOT a right, it's a privileged.
   
   Having insurance doesn't equal good health.  Health care is a personal responsibility.  It starts with what you eat and how you live.
   
   Once you go to the Doctor and are diagnosed with a condition it's too late.
   
   The only thing a Doctor can do is CUT you or DRUG you... and that isn't "health" that's triage.
   
   Only your own body can heal itself.

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   Sab Ohposted 14 years ago

   "This just shows that the people of the United States of America are not in charge."
   
   
   No, it shows that the people aren't doing their job well.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Citizen TK.

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   JON EWALLposted 14 years ago

   Hubbers
   
     THE HEALTHCARE DEBATE LIVE FROM WASHINGTON
   
   On Saturday 3/20/10 EXCLUSIVLY on Fox News cable at 10:00am to 12:00 ET time NO OTHER PLACE BUT FOX NEWS
   
   A special program regarding healthcare reform '' LIVE AND UNCUT '' direct from Washington , hosted by Neil Cavuto.
   
   BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE? Try not to miss it.
   It is only on FOX NEWS and wondering if exerpts will be show on the main street media .

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