Bill Ayers & Weather Underground -- They Weren't Really Terrorists

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JWestCattleposted 13 years ago
...or were they? If today Bill Ayers says they were not violent, never killed anyone, they were not domestic terrorists, will we soon see history re-written in the interests of politics?

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And is Bill Ayers looking somewhat fraudulently and fondly at the Tea Party? And why? Does it serve subversive liberal purposes to have the likes of Ayers liken his own past to the Tea Party group?

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2010/ … anization/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499136/posts
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TheSituationposted 13 years ago
I do not think they actually killed anyone did they? I mean they tried to, they just failed. Pretty pathetic.
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  JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They killed a few of their own members when bombs they were working on that contained nails detonated accidentally, and they are held responsible for the death of at least one police officer. And as they were an 'underground' group, it's hard to say what else they accomplished in practicing their craft. For certain, Ayers in the past gloried in, and freely identified himself, as a Domestic Terrorist.
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  tobey100posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  JW's right. I do believe the only deaths were in their own group.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.academia.org/ayerhead-distor … nd-record/
  
  Oh yes they are responsible for a couple of murders.
  
  By the way there is also a link to Bill Ayers brother John and the Joyce Foundation who funded the creation of the Chicago Climate Exchange with the help of Obama. Valerie Jarret also sits on the board of the Joyce Foundation which also has ties to George Soros and the Tides foundation and funds radical anti gun and other groups.
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Ghost32posted 13 years ago
Guess I wasn't a real bull rider, either, then. After all, never did make it to the National Finals....
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  JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ghost, that's a great analogy!
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  Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why didn't you make it to the national finals?
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Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago
I wonder how many people are reminiscing of their college days wearing Che shirts and talking bout Revolution.

Ahhh the good old days when the man was out to get ya and you got locked up at the protest.
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  TheSituationposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As much as I love my parents and their generation....you all really screwed stuff up for us huh? Hehe
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
It was a response to the terrorism directed at them from the gvt.
They were bombed, killed, shot at, locked up, harrassed, and terrorized.
Or did you forget that part?
And how funny that you were pro gvt. then, huh!
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah she has to stick up for bank robbing bomb planting radicals because they're all part of the Obama cabinet now!
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't she the one always complaining that the Tea Partiers are violent?
  
  I guess if you have a radical leftist view then their violence is ok.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes of course! The ends justifies the means! Socialism at any cost!
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I forgot!
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Also, the FBI wiretapped their phones, and spied on them...before the Patriot Act!!
Police went into an apartment and shot a man as he slept...it was an out-and-out war against people fighting the gvt.
Hmmmm, if Obama was to treat the baggers as the gvt. treated protesters in days gone by....
Just remember Kent State and "What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground?"

You people need a history lesson!
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  Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So their phones were tapped? Back then you had to get a warrant and it's not like they didn't have a good reason! You need a reality check!
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  JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...we know Bill Ayers is not a Dumbaxx, and we know from Poppa that he has ties via his brother to the Chicago Climate Exchange, and we all clearly know Bill Ayers has ties to the Obama administration...and, again, he is not a Dumbaxx....
  
  ... now, LovemyChris clearly indicates by inference this may well be an orchestrated protestation by the self-avowed domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers, to provide a venue for instigating government sanctioned measures against the Tea Party group.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
No, just reminding you that when the gvt used to actually target protesters FOR REAL...those of you on the right were all for it.
Now that's it's YOU who are protesting, even though there is NO resistance from the gvt...you still act like you are martyrs or something.

You have no idea what a real oppressive gvt is.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think under Obama, we're about to find out!
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William R. Wilsonposted 13 years ago
I've always understood that the Weather Underground took pains to avoid killing people, and that their bombings were conducted against property. When they bombed the Pentagon they called in an advance warning so that the building could be evacuated, and I'd thought they did so for the police station bombing.

The police officer who was killed might have been killed by bomb shrapnel, but that doesn't mean that the bomb was produced specifically to kill people. The story about it having fencing staples in it comes from only one source (as far as I know) - FBI informant, who might not be the most reliable source.

If what he's saying is true, why weren't Ayers and Dohrn tried for the murder of that police officer?

As for the bomb that exploded and killed three Weathermen - well, we don't really know what was in the bomb and what it was intended for do we? The people who know were killed in the blast.

What I'm saying, basically, is that Ayers and Dorhn were tried for their crimes, never found guilty of murder, served their time, and are now productive members of society.

Were they terrorists back in their underground days? Yes. Or they might have been freedom fighters - after all, such definitions always depend on which side you're on.

The noble Death Squads in Nicaragua used terrorist tactics against innocent people - but they were freedom fighters, not terrorists. Likewise with the Taliban, who were American heroes when fighting the Soviets but are now terrorists for fighting the American invaders. Likewise with Saddam, who was fine when he was gassing his own people using weapons we gave him.

So. Ayers and Dohrn are, possibly, reformed and repentant terrorists, who still hold radical views. Holding radical views is not a crime - I hold radical views, and many of the Tea Partiers do to.

All the evidence suggests that they tried not to hurt innocent people. The claims that they did try to intentionally kill the policeman are based on unreliable evidence and probably politically motivated.

That's my take on it.
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "The police officer who was killed might have been killed by bomb shrapnel, but that doesn't mean that the bomb was produced specifically to kill people."
  
  What was the bomb for if not to kill people? Ayers just liked to watch things go Boom?
  
  It amazes me that you can somehow justify this type of action and at the same time condemn action not yet taken by Tea Party participants.
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, Padrino - were the Contras in Nicaragua terrorists? Should Oliver North be in prison for giving them financial support?
  
  What about Tito in Yugoslavia, fighting against the Nazis?
  
  What about the people who have a website that lists the addresses of abortion doctors and calls for their murder?
  
  What about the minutemen, who go armed to the border to watch for illegal immigrants?
  
  And the KKK - aren't they terrorists?
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well William, we are talking about Ayers and HIS actions, not anybody else's. I know the tried and true tactic is to go completely off in a new direction, but I don't want to do that. What exactly were the bombs built for if not to kill people? Why is it ok for Ayers and left-wing terrorists to use violence but you lose your mind if a Tea Party person carries a pistol/Rifle (legally) to a rally?
  
  Do you have any answers?
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What if several hundred black men marched on DC carrying weapons?
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're doing it again.
  
  But I will answer you.
  
  If it is legal to do so then there isn't a problem.
  
  Can you answer my question now?
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You asked a couple of questions. But anyway, if it was ok for black militant groups to march around carrying weapons, just as it's ok for white militant groups to march around carrying weapons, then why did J. Edgar Hoover call the Black Panthers the greatest threat to American security in existence?
  
  Really. Can you honestly say that you'd feel comfortable if the Tea Partiers were black and saying the same things? Or Latino?
  
  As for the purpose of the bombs: I honestly don't know what the purpose was. It might have been to destroy property and make a statement. As I've said, the Weather Underground took steps to prevent the loss of life.
  
  But it might have been to kill people. I can't read anyone's mind. But there's no conclusive evidence either way, just conflicting personal testimonies.
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "why did J. Edgar Hoover call the Black Panthers the greatest threat to American security in existence?"
  
  Unlike the Tea Partiers the Black Panthers actually used violence so I assume that is what Hoover was speaking to.
  
  "Really. Can you honestly say that you'd feel comfortable if the Tea Partiers were black and saying the same things? Or Latino?"
  
  Some of the Tea Partiers ARE Black and Latino! I don't make race an issue I leave that to the race baiters (example, you)
  
  "As for the purpose of the bombs: I honestly don't know what the purpose was."
  
  Yes you do, you can just excuse the reason because you have the same philosophy!
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  Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh the race card again, what a surprise! (yawn)
  
  Really when someone plants a bomb their intent is to destroy. Obviously any reasonable person must realize that their is a risk of injury or death to innocent bystanders, regardless of the precautions one takes. I can't believe you would defend such groups while speaking out against the Tea Party people.
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "I can't believe you would defend such groups while speaking out against the Tea Party people."
  
  Sadly, I can.
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not defending the act of planting Bombs. I am defending the people who were charged, served their sentence, and went on to renounce violence.
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know who and what you are defending!
  
  The problem is you CONDEMN people who have not done a thing wrong simply because you disagree with them.
  
  Have a good time with your hypocrisy!
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I answered your questions. Will you do me the courtesy of answering mine?
  
  What if?
  
  What if you found out that a highly placed Obama administration official was involved in selling weapons to Iran - and that he was using the proceeds from the sale of these weapons to finance and support a terrorist, communist organization in Central America?
  
  What if the government started to infiltrate, harass, and sabotage the Tea Party? And what if they called out the national guard to put down Tea Party Protests? What if the government began to assassinate leaders of the Tea Party movement?
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "What if you found out that a highly placed Obama administration official was involved in selling weapons to Iran - and that he was using the proceeds from the sale of these weapons to finance and support a terrorist, communist organization in Central America?"
  
  I would expect him to be tried for the crime just as Oliver North was!
  
  "What if the government started to infiltrate, harass, and sabotage the Tea Party? And what if they called out the national guard to put down Tea Party Protests? What if the government began to assassinate leaders of the Tea Party movement?"
  
  I would expect the Tea Party to protest such activity vigorously!
  
  I would expect the Tea Party to cease all activities and follow all legal commands!
  
  I would expect the Tea Party participants to inform the correct officials of the killings!
  
  But, none of that will happen because the Tea Party is a peaceful organization unlike the Black Panthers and the Weather Underground!
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok - so once he served his time then all would be cool? Or, if he didn't serve any time, rather his sentence was vacated, it would all be in the past?
  
  Because - hate to break this to you - but All charges against Ayers were dropped because of illegal activity on the part of the FBI.
  
  If Ayers is a still a terrorist, Oliver North is still a supporter of terrorism. Both of them should be condemned and silenced, and their associates should be called out as supporting terrorism.
  
  Right?
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  Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oliver North was a scapegoat!
  
  Bill Ayers was not.
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "If Ayers is a still a terrorist, Oliver North is still a supporter of terrorism. Both of them should be condemned and silenced, and their associates should be called out as supporting terrorism."
  
  Right?
  
  Wrong! Neither should be silenced! That's a liberal tactic, one which I detest!
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok then - why all the whining about Ayers? He has a right to his opinions, and we both agree that he shouldn't be silenced. So.. what are we arguing about again?
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am not whining about Ayers, he is a terrorist who got away with his crimes, I just don't know how you can compare his CRIMES to anything happening in the Tea Party.
  
  Got an answer yet?
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  JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who is making the case that Ayers should be condemned and silenced? And his trial was a screw-up, kind of like OJ's, and just because he was not convicted doesn't mean the shadow of what he did shouldn't stay attached to his life. And the notion that the WU was a non-violent group is ludicrous, bombs are violent, alerting cops to have a building vacated has the appearance of concern for human life, but in reality they were clearly willing to accept the collateral damage to human life should their bomb kill an innocent bystander who didn't get the bomb memo.
  
  The question is WHY is Ayers speaking NOW, deciding to get face time in the media NOW, and suddenly deciding he was NOT a domestic terrorist, when in the past he essentially gloried in being one and referred to his own self as one. And at the same time that he is NOW saying he was not a domestic terrorist, he is making odd comments likening the Weather Underground somewhat to the Tea Party group. Why?
  
  I don't think Ayers has a bigger ego than he does a brain, so there has to be a political purpose, IMO.
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see it.
  
  What do you think the ulterior motive might be?
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  JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lovemychris says: "Hmmmm, if Obama was to treat the baggers as the gvt. treated protesters in days gone by...."
  
  This hubber is quite extreme and irrational in their left wing diatribes. But, it is of great interest that someone of just that ilk would make the jump to equating WU with the Tea Party and suggesting a similar governmental approach to squelching the Tea Party group.
  
  My first thought when I heard Ayers making these comments, is that it's not casual, and could very well be staging. The racism angle to denigrate the Tea Party is in a lull, and not entirely successful either. Seems far-fetched, perhaps, but my instincts tell me it's just fishy on the part of Ayers to step out into the media and make these comments. As I said, he is no dummy, and he is quite self-serving and cause-serving, he's got to have an angle, and a liberally blessed angle.
  
  Of course, I could just be paranoid given the overt effort of the mainstream media to prosecute the Tea Party protesters as violent racists.
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William R. Wilsonposted 13 years ago
And I'd second LMC's point that during the late 60s there was serious government oppression and harrassment, even outright assassination of Black Panthers. The gov't had not responded to massive popular protest to end the war, and instead called out the National Guard to quell popular dissent - just like what has happened throughout our history (I have an interesting few hubs about the history of the Labor movement that just scratch the surface of what our gov't has done to leftist movements).

What the Weather Underground did during that time was crazy and stupid, but you have to look at it in context. They felt like they had no alternative.
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DevLinposted 13 years ago
Then, as now, they wanted change immediately. Peaceful noncompliance was taking too long to them. They were terrorists, as was the Govt. I lived it. I agreed, but I also supported the Soldiers, and always will. The Liberal agenda, no so much anymore. They made the right changes, then went too far. Like the far right did. More domestic terrorists. Get the white Coffee Partyers and the black Tea Partyers together, and we just might get all this settled.
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William R. Wilsonposted 13 years ago
Ok.

So what if the government started to infiltrate, harass, and sabotage the Tea Party? And what if they called out the national guard to put down Tea Party Protests? What if the government began to assassinate leaders of the Tea Party movement?

What would you do?
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William R. Wilsonposted 13 years ago
And here's another what if:

What if you found out that a highly placed Obama administration official was involved in selling weapons to Iran - and that he was using the proceeds from the sale of these weapons to finance and support a terrorist, communist organization in Central America?
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Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago
When did Bill Ayers repent? Never!
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Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago
Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.

The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again," as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility." Published September 15 >>>>2001<<<<<
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Alright Arthur, I can concede your point that Ayers in unrepentant. Would you give my questions a shot?
  
  What if you found out that a highly placed Obama administration official was involved in selling weapons to Iran - and that he was using the proceeds from the sale of these weapons to finance and support a terrorist, communist organization in Central America?
  
  What if the government started to infiltrate, harass, and sabotage the Tea Party? And what if they called out the national guard to put down Tea Party Protests? What if the government began to assassinate leaders of the Tea Party movement?
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  Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would want Justice which we did not receive during Iran/Contra.
  
  If the Tea Party commits acts of terrorism they should be brought to justice.
  
  I would bet that the government has already infiltrated the Tea Party.
  
  If the government assassinates anyone then again I would want justice.
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What if you felt like the government would never deliver justice?
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  Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When it comes to Justice for Politicians I do not believe we receive a value for the money that is spent on the investigations.
  
  You are more likely to do time for petty misdemeanors then see a politician do time.
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree.
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William R. Wilsonposted 13 years ago
Scapegoat? You should read up a little more on what he did. I'm not disagreeing that there were higher ups who authorized what he did, but he surely did commit illegal acts to funnel money to the Contras.

Surely you're not defending a supporter of terrorists?
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William R. Wilsonposted 13 years ago
Oliver North also got away with his crimes. Why aren't you clamoring for his head?
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Again, try and follow along, I am not clamoring for anyone's head!
  I am asking you how and why you compare terrorist activity to the legal gatherings of the Tea Party.
  
  Got a another gray hair waiting on the answer.
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure that I did ever actually call the Tea Partiers terrorists. Maybe I did. Feel free to post a link to my words if I did so.
  
  What I have said, many times, is that I agree with some of the principles of the tea party but I think they are misguided. I also think the movement attracts racists - but not all tea partiers are racist.
  
  I do think their violent rhetoric is cause for alarm. Stupid politics, combined with guns, is not good for democracy.
  
  This was true during the 60s as well.
  
  I wrote a hub about whether the right or the left was more violent. Perhaps you might read it. In it, I said:
  
  The Tea Party has a right to free assembly. I have a right to mock them and criticize them. Bill Ayers has a right to do whatever he does as long as he's not killing anyone, and Oliver North has a right to make a bunch of money from his infamy as a terrorist supporting former Reagan administration official.
  
  Again - what are we disagreeing about?
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "I do think their violent rhetoric is cause for alarm. Stupid politics, combined with guns, is not good for democracy."
  
  You are a liberal cliche, "I say their stupid so their, stupid!" Its been enlightening watching you chase your tail trying to excuse a terrorist but its beginning to bore me!
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sigh.
  
  You are a conservative cliche. As I've said - feel free to post where I've called the Tea Party terrorists.
  
  You have a right to your opinion, and I have a right to mine. That is what makes America great, bud.
  
  It seems like I'm better at supporting my position than you are though....
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "It seems like I'm better at supporting my position than you are though...."
  
  I'm sure that it looks that way to you, the guy who excuses terrorism!
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"You have no idea what a real oppressive gvt is."

"I think under Obama, we're about to find out!"

And what will you do about it? Your crowd has already bought the stores out of guns and ammuniton...just what ever for?
Nugent already told Obama to suck on his gun--to his audience of millions (?) and Russshhhhh is at it every day about how much Obama hates America...and Beckles the Dork about how much Obama hates YOU...just what does it all mean?
You talk a lot of s**t, but when it comes down to it, you ONLY care about you and people who think like you...the rest of America be damned.

Persecuting the Baggers...give me a break! They are treated with kid gloves compared to ANY other protesters...did you ever watch the Move On protests in Washington?

Military-like police encampments. Surrounding them, helicopters hovering...That was TRUE persecution.

The MMM LOVES you baggers! You get all the coverage, while Afghanistan war protesters are ignored.

Always the same...Biggest Bullies on the Block playing the Victim-Card.
AS IF.
You will ALWAYS have the corporate power on your side....victims my aunt fanny.
Try living without equal rights and then call yourselves victims.
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  JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't own a gun, am afraid of guns, don't want to know how to even shoot a gun, and am not part of any party. But, I will say your constant and boring Baggering is pretty much social profiling.
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Buck up little camper!
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Social Profiling ?
Oh, is that the "new" persecution?

Man oh man...

Like someone used to say, "If I had a penny for every....."
time someone though they were being persecuted when in actuality they have more freedoms and more rights than people who came before them....

I'd be rich!

"oh woe is me...the media doesn't undertand why we are so missunderstood"

blah blah blah...it's all the same complaints...EVERY time. You don't want to share.

Too bad. It's the UNITED States, not the everymanforhimselfafterIgetminethatis States.
I heard Dubai is lovely this time of year. and Cheney is rumored to be there. ooooohh the hero of CPAC.
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  Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But you never feel persecuted do you?
  
  Do you need a hug?
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