H.P. oil spill accident or intentional?

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   lightning johnposted 13 years ago

   With all the problems the United States is having now, this oil spill is absolutely the last thing we need.  It is really hard to believe that American technology or lack of it is getting to this point. Is it possible this was not an accident?

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      TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Anything's possible, but my question to such a thought would be why...Who is benefiting here?

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      Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why would you think it isn't an accident?
      
      Stuff like this happens all the time in business, except on a smaller scale.
      
      How many times have you heard about shoddy building in houses?  The accident happened because the construction company that built the well did a shonky job. 
      
      In a system where profit is king and there is no regulation, companies are bound to cut corners to make a profit, especially if they think they'll never be found out.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not likely. [Pat Robertson probably is blaming it on God's punishment for gay tolerance.]

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         Alicia Ramonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Good answer Mr. Deeds!
         
         I think that there are coincidences in timing that make me doubt... and I really can't believe that they haven't been able to fix it... feels like preassure...

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      psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I believe in never attributing to malice what stupidity alone can explain.

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   habeeposted 13 years ago

   There's a conspiracy theory that democrat operatives opposed to offshore drilling caused the explosion. I think that's pretty far fetched, however.

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      TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I've heard that too, but wouldn't that sort of...defeat the purpose? I mean, people against offshore drilling are AFRAID of this very thing happening.

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         habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly!

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      KFlippinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No more far-fetched than the theories that it was caused by BP or Halliburton or Transocean.  Even LovemyChris apparently was able to find ample evidence that the Obama admin. was agreeable to lessening oversight issues, that may well have led to this happening.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Listen to this one from Benjamin Fulford:
   
   "The North Koreans also seem to be ratcheting up the pressure on South Korea to come up with a peace agreement. Sorcha Faal, the US Naval Intelligence information/disinformation site, claims it was the North Koreans who blew up the oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. Our source in China linked to the politburo confirmed this, saying the new North Korean regime has decided to “display its strength, bravery and determination.” Since North Korea and South Korea are technically at war, North Korea is actually allowed to carry out such acts of sabotage. Other sources believe it was the Bush/Nazi faction that blew up the oil rig to spite the British and create distraction from their troubles. However, since North Korea has worked closely with this faction in the past, the two scenarios are not mutually contradictory."

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      TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Okay...so how trustworthy is that information? Or is that disinformation?? OMG how confusing...is it a site for information or not? How can one tell??

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   rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

   BP is a British owned global company. their annual sales and revenue for 2009 was 239 billion. you would think they would have had the technology in place to avert such accidents. sometimes I can't even believe it's happening, but when the wind is coming from the west, we can smell it. it's not a 'spill', it's a gusher. I have a hard time believing the BP execs.

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      Bill Millerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      And you would think a space shuttle wouldn't blow up, but you would be wrong. Accidents happen, it is nothing new or anymore diabolical than a hurricane hitting Louisiana!

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         Alicia Ramonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The "diabolical" part in the Louisiana hurricane was that the consecuences were preventable... If prevention takes place, accidents don't happen... mistakes happen.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Rebekah, they did have the technology in place to prevent such accidents.  There are several safeguards that are supposed to be built into the structure of the rig. 
      
      They simply never envisaged that all the safeguards would fail, and had no contingency plans to put in place if they did.

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   tony0724posted 13 years ago

   I have heard that it was actually sabotage. But I am having a hard time buying that one. But hey I have been wrong before !

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      rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      yeah, all the theories get thrown around, but I don't really buy that one either. I think it's simply negligence and poor oversight and regulation and not being prepared for this type of accident. There are 11 families without their dad or husband, or son, very sad. and we don't know to what extent it will have on our country, but it's much bigger than we're being led to believe.

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   lightning johnposted 13 years ago

   It just does not seem right at all that it happens now with all of our technology. It would seem more apt to happen years ago.

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   Doug Hughesposted 13 years ago

   Glass Spider hit it on the head. Nobody benefits from this spill. It's a nightmare for the oil companies who were on the verge of a bi-partisan agreement to extend offshore drilling. The Obama administration was extending that offer as an olive branch in exchange for suport of the global warming legislation.
   
   Also, interviews with survivors of the drilling platform don't describe anything that sounds like sabotage. It's a mess, but it's not intentional.

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      Bill Millerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Really? You don't think the Nazi's did it?

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         Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Why would I think Libertarians were involved?

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Yeah, but look at these 2 headlines:
   
   "Israel demands world 'respond decisively' to North Korea nuclear test"
   
   "U.N. Command to probe investigation that blamed N. Korea for sinking ship"--
   
   both from today, May 23...something IS going on with N. Korea!
   
   
   At 1st I thought this was all about BP cutting corners to cut costs...but when I heard Haliburton was involved....that was enough for me. I think this was intentional...someone is sending a message,we just aren't privvy to any of what is going on...as we never really are.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   and I'm just now watching that Ling woman who was imprisoned by the N. Koreans....
   hmm. something is up.

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    Marisa Wrightposted 13 years ago

    *sigh* Why would some people rather believe in ludicrous conspiracy theories, than accept that human beings can be incompetent?

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       lightning johnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I spoke with my brother -in -law the other night. He is a retired Exxon employee, and he said that it was a simple battery that was out in some safety valve on the rig.  It just really makes me sick to think that it was incompetence.

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          lightning johnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Not that a intentional explosion would be any better!

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    BP has a history of safety violations and spills in the recent past. last year in Texas City, 700 violations were found on their operations there!! many of them involving faulty valves.
    they've paid enormous fines. but their incompetence continues.
    
    the final determinations of what caused this blowout in the Gulf is still being investigated. the procedure that was supposed to take place today has now been pushed back to tuesday or wednesday as oil & gas continues to gush into the Gulf.

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       lightning johnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks rebekahElle!  Please let us know anything that you find out.

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       NathanSyckelposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       That is deplorable. There should be only be a certain amount of fines you can recieve before they have to start shutting down unsafe operations IMO. If a local restaurant has some health violations. It's a fine the first time, followed up by the business being shut down until proper changes can be made. That is what should happen with unsafe oil operations as well.

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    Evan G Rogersposted 13 years ago

    I wouldn't say that this accident was intentional. After all, this has the possibility of bankrupting BP.
    
    Although, who knows - after reading "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" just about anything is possible now that government panders to the very whim of corporations. The important motif of that book was that the government isn't limiting itself to the proper constitutional boundaries and is being exploited by businesses. So, i dunno.
    
    I would say, at the very least, that it was inevitable. Because government doesn't allow people to own waterways the proper price of an offshore oil rig is unknown -- How can we actually know how expensive it is to run an offshore oil rig when the price merely reflects 'who bids the highest' as opposed to 'someone selling the rights to drill in their property'? I'm still a bit confused as to why owning a waterway is considered madness when all that a lake or river or ocean is is land with water on top.
    
    Anyway, there would have been more safety measures put in place if there were a private owner (or private owners) of the gulf of mexico. The owner(s) would have demanded tighter safety measures, a lot more money as some sort of 'risk insurance', they could have sued BP really hard after the leak, and they would probably have demanded to know *AHEAD OF TIME* how BP would respond in the instance of a huge oil spill. --Heck, I know I would demand those things if I owned the land/water.
    
    Alas, government prevents people from owning and protecting the water ways for no good reason whatsoever. Alas, the price of offshore drilling merely reflects "who bids the highest" instead of "the true price of business".
    
    I wrote a hub on this, check it out. (I also take a few cracks at Paul Krugman!)

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Everyone is pointing the finger at BP, but look:
    
    "Giant oil-services provider Halliburton may be a primary suspect in the investigation into the oil rig explosion that has devastated the Gulf Coast, the Wall Street Journal reports.
    
    Though the investigation into the explosion that sank the Deepwater Horizon site is still in its early stages, drilling experts agree that blame probably lies with flaws in the "cementing" process -- that is, plugging holes in the pipeline seal by pumping cement into it from the rig. Halliburton was in charge of cementing for Deepwater Horizon."
    
    Wall Street Journal people!
    
    "Drilling Process Attracts Scrutiny in Rig Explosion".....
    
    Incompetance..OK. After all, soldiers died in their showers due to faulty wiring by Haliburton, but it was deliberate incompetance to save money.
    
    Haliburton employees were on that rig 20 hrs before this thing blew.
    
    You might say *sigh* how can anyone think it was deliberate?
    
    I'll just say:  Torture. Lying to facilitate Shock and Awe.
    
    Don't think they wouldn't do it in a nano-second.

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       TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You know Chrs we may not agree on the minutia... but we agree on the really big stuff. They are all in cohoots...

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    PrettyPantherposted 13 years ago

    Whether it was unintentional incompetence, intentional incompetence, or just intentional doesn't really matter in the end.  The risks of offshore drilling far outweigh the benefits.
    
    Grey's Law:  "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

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    zampanoposted 13 years ago

    Prokoviev and Walt Disney have a hint about them causes...
    
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5wjtx … ideogames/
    oh. if the thing bugs, just click on "cancel all" once or twice and it will keep its course.

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