Government shill paid to disrupt....

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   Doug Hughesposted 13 years ago

   Five weeks ago MadamX wrote about me -
   "He's a government shill paid to disrupt discussion boards of this nature."
   
   Kflippin wrote yesterday -
   "some of his comments are very well spoken (and spelled) and thought out, albeit reflective of a liberal indoctrination style of rebuttal."
   
   Arthur Fontes wrote today -
   "Very true almost as if more then one person sits behind the keyboard. Almost like a  Uhm an orginization."
   
   On the one hand, this is flattering that the wingnuts would find my arguments so compelling that they are convinced I am the figurehead of a large conspiracy of liberal writers out to discredit them. Frankly, I can't think of a higher compliment, and I thank you very sincerely.
   
   Five weeks ago, when the accusation first surfaced, I suggested that if the hubbers would note WHEN I post, it's always in the early AM (before I go to work) or in the afternoon - evening hours. Except Sunday because I work 6 days per week.  Rather odd for an army of bloggers to keep those hours. And it's not that I am the most prolific writer - I rank number four, well behind some conservative bloggers.
   
   I have mentioned that I am a federal employee, I think, and this automatically brings to mind the image of a  liberal, overpaid elitist from an ivy-league university.  Ummm... I'm a mailman in Florida.  Disappointing, huh? It's a living - and hotter than hell this time of year.
   
   I have been asked if I am a member of LaRaza, Acorn, ACLU, or the Boy Scouts.  No to all - never been a member of any of those groups - not even the scouts. I am a member of the National Rural Letter Carriers Association.  I receive no compensation of any kind from any group or organization nor do I permit anyone else to post under my HP identity.
   
   This isn't about ME!  The purpose of my posts is not to disrupt. I cite from a HUGE spectrum of sources, with  quotes and figures to back my position.  It's because of this,  some may think I must be an 'organization'. I know the overall facts (and facts have an inherent liberal bias) and I know how to use Google.
   
   The other complaint is that I have 'bashed' conservatives. I 'bash' others on the forums as I perceive they 'bash' others.  A football player who puts on the pads (and plays within the rules) has no right to complain abut a legal hit. It's a contact sport.  But I don't 'bash' all conservatives equally. I lay a hit on players on the forums in proportion to the malice I read on their posts. I did not say malice against me - I said malice. There are conservatives on HP whom I always treat gently and with respect, because that's the only way they treat other hubbers. Unfortunately, they are a minority. Rose, you know I mean you - but you aren't alone.
   
   Most wingnuts who were raised under the Limbaugh era, believe they have a right to 'bash' liberals with impunity and no consideration for objective truth - and cry like an infant with a wet diaper when they get 'bashed'. You can't have it both ways.
   
   Last, (if anyone read this far) - I have to recognize the army of liberal bloggers who write - sometimes more, and almost always better than I do. Uninvited Writer (hub score 100), Pretty Panther, Ralph, Ron, Easnetshub,  Jeff, Randy and a host of others who also carry the torch. It's completely unfair that I was singled out for the honor of this accusation when you look at the company I keep.

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      Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      These are all hubbers I respect.  Pretty lofty companions that you assume?
      
      
      BTW Happy Father's Day to all 

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         Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         On the point that these are lofty hubbers, we agree. Why were none of them singled out for the honor you laid on me?

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            Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You are not alone, Doug!  KF has inferred I had more than one account here on a couple of occasions.  I do not! I don't let it worry me though,because it is a sure sign of a weak argument to fall back on this excuse! 
            
            Signed Doug.....er, I mean Randy LOL!

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      Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, stop whining, Doug.
      You're still here, aren't you?  While, most notably, several of those conservatives are NOT.  And I take offense at you mentioning Madame X's name when she's no longer around to defend her name.  And I've called you on the fact that you've gloated over that fact before.  That fact, that you've been given free rein to spout your insults toward conservatives, while THEY get in trouble after conversing with you, not even making remarks nearly as bad as you,  makes it clear that you're more in the "teacher's pet" category.  A torch?   Yeah you do carry a torch for some pretty popular people, so why are you not happy now?   Have you perhaps run out of shiny red apples to offer?

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Again a Sunday and you're consorting with heathens instead of worshiping in church.  Are you a closet agnostic? 

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            Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            They that are whole need not a physician.

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               Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               True Christians have no need for church?  You're gonna have a very negative effect on attendance and extortion...er I mean collections.

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         Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Did you tell Arthur not to whine when he stated he reported Doug for posting a picture? And, Madame X is still here...

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            Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            What's wrong?   Do you like hearing Doug whine?  LOL Whatever!
            You have fun now, ya hear?!

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               Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Way to avoid the question again.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Just another example of the double standard practiced by some people here on the forums.

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            Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            UW I do not have any problems with posting pictures.  Posting pictures and proclaiming the image to be a certain hubber is a personal attack?
            
            I can handle attacks, it is posting within the confines of HP rules that confuses me.  If it is OK to do such a thing, I am fine with that but I KNOW I would earn a ban for the same activities.

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   Believe me doug... i am well aware that your concepts are the product of almost one mind.
   
   lolol sorry man... that was just tooo easy. lollllllllll

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      Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, I gotta remember not to lead with my chin.

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   Originposted 13 years ago

   Of course your not an organization of writers hiding behind a figurehead. They don't need to do that these days because it's much easier to genetically enhance an embryo! That's right! Your a liberal mutant!!
   
   
   Just kidding.
   
   ps. Can you shoot lightning bolts from your eyes?

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      Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You know what the advantage is of being a test tube baby?
      
      And - You get a room (pronounce womb) with a view.

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   Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfblGznVLJo

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   Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3nzKv4r9A
   
   RATM Take the power back
   
   
   
   Yeah, the movement's in motion with mass militant poetry
   Now check this out...uggh!
   
   In the right light, study becomes insight
   But the system that dissed us
   Teaches us to read and write
   
   So called facts are fraud
   They want us to allege and pledge
   And bow down to their God
   Lost the culture, the culture lost
   Spun our minds and through time
   Ignorance has taken over
   Yo, we gotta take the power back!
   Bam! Here's the plan
   Mother Uncle Sam
   Step back, I know who I am
   Raise up your ear, I'll drop the style and clear
   It's the beats and the lyrics they fear
   The rage is relentless
   We need a movement with a quickness
   You are the witness of change
   And to counteract
   We gotta take the power back
   
   Yeah, we gotta take the power back
   Come on, come on!
   We gotta take the power back
   
   The present curriculum
   I put my fist in 'em
   Eurocentric every last one of 'em
   See right through the red, white and blue disguise
   With lecture I puncture the structure of lies
   Installed in our minds and attempting
   To hold us back
   We've got to take it back
   Holes in our spirit causin' tears and fears
   One-sided stories for years and years and years
   I'm inferior? Whose inferior?
   Yeah, we need to check the interior
   Of the system that cares about only one culture
   And that is why
   We gotta take the power back
   
   Yeah, we gotta take the power back
   Come on, come on!
   We gotta take the power back
   
   Hey yo check, we're gonna have to break it, break it,
   break it down
   Awww shit!
   
   Uggh!
   
   And like this...uggh!
   
   Come on, yeah! Bring it back the other way!
   
   The teacher stands in front of the class
   But the lesson plan he can't recall
   The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
   Bouncing off every fking wall
   His composure is well kept
   I guess he fears playing the fool
   The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
   Bullst that he learned in school
   
   Europe ain't my rope to swing on
   Can't learn a thing from it
   Yet we hang from it
   Gotta get it, gotta get it together then
   Like the motherin' weathermen
   To expose and close the doors on those who try
   To strangle and mangle the truth
   'Cause the circle of hatred continues unless we react
   We gotta take the power back
   
   Yeah, we gotta take the power back
   Come on, come on!
   We gotta take the power back
   
   No more lies
   No more lies
   No more lies
   No more lies
   No more lies
   No more lies
   No more lies
   No more lies
   
   Uggh!
   
   Yeah!
   
   Take it back y'all
   Take it back, a-take it back
   A-take it back y'all, come on!
   Take it back y'all
   Take it back, a-take it back
   A-take it back y'all, come on!
   
   Uggh!
   
   Yeah!

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   Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c94pwwR … ature=fvst

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   PrettyPantherposted 13 years ago

   To the conservatives who find Doug offensive:
   
   Is it worse to be called a "wingnut" or "unAmerican"?
   
   Is it worse to be called a "teabagger" or to be accused of "hating America"?
   
   Personally, I think being called "unAmerican" is much more insulting than "wingnut" or "teabagger."  But I would never report anyone on the forums just for insulting me. 
   
   Sticks and stones and all that. 

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   Randy Godwinposted 13 years ago

   Those that have a hole in the head, need not a physician!

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

   Those who have no feet need not Dr. Scholl.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    We are all Doug...

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    Len Cannonposted 13 years ago

    Well, people are right to be concerned.  It makes total sense that outside forces would be attempting to infiltrate and take over the political discussion here.  As the old political idiom says, "As go the HubPages forums, so go the country."

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       Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       LOL! I wish I could get a paying job stating my political opinions on a site!  Even being accused of this is a hoot, though!  It tells you something about the accuser's mindset.
       
       And yes, I think X is still here!  I do not like to think there are more than one like her!  Doh!

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    Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago

    Fighting back: Obama's campaign was confronted by a deluge of unsubstantiated and potentially damaging accusations. Supporters were asked to identify them, alert the campaign and counter them via their own networks (e.g. reply-all to an email with the lies backed up with links to references). The Fight The Smears site was set up to support this. This strategy kept Obama focused on positive messages while supporters directly responded to accusations.
    
    http://fairsay.com/blog/how-to-ecampaign-like-obama
    
    
    And this stopped when the election was over?  I know Santa is real too!

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       Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       So you would suggest the conservatives and liberals let false statements go unchallenged?  I personally dislike false statements from either party and so should everyone!  It's not a beauty contest despite what some so-called news shows try to project!

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          Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I think that is what discussion is all about, debating issues.  I am saying there are volunteers in political forums to challenge dissent.  It is both sides, not just one side or the other.  I am saying that they exist.
          
          I am not claiming that anybody is anything, just the fact of the existence of this kind of forum participant.  Not paid personal, simple volunteers who have signed up to one of the thousands of political sites on both sides.
          
          They are still human beings behind the keyboard and deserve all the respect that any other person should receive.  The fact that they are pursuing an agenda would be none of my business.
          
          Calling me out in a thread for no reason but to ridicule me is abnormal and pathetic.  That is not a positive influence on any forum or website.
          
          I am not a member or affiliated with any political organization or website.

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             TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             They, I won't say who, tend to call people out alot in these forums. Most whine though when snapped back at... it is pretty sad
             
             And no, "they", does not neccesarilly mean doug and his other personalities.

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                Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Grammar correction:  You meant to type "we"

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                   TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I somehow doubt Doug and I are anywhere near politically or ideologically similar. I Doubt I advocate for any issue he finds dear to his heart. lolllllllllll
                   
                   Have you read my replies... and Doug's? I don't think you could confuse the two of us too easilly as the same person.

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                      Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      For once I do agree with you (all of you).  You and Doug have nothing in common.  Whining bully who cries when someone responds to his BS is not a description that fits Doug.

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                         TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         Whatever Ron... we see who the whiner is.
                         
                         It is not I who has resorted to personal attacks... just shows the weakness of the man along with his arguments.

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                Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                TMMason wrote (early) in this post -
                
                "Believe me doug... i am well aware that your concepts are the product of almost one mind."
                
                TMMason wrote (recently) in this post -
                
                "And no, "they", does not neccesarilly mean doug and his other personalities."
                
                It's damn hard to debate someone who takes opposite positions on the same issue.  Would you make things easier on me and pick one or the other? I really appreciate it.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    So, people who disagree with your postings are not allowed to counter them? Only let you say whatever you wish. How does that add to any discussion?

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