Let's do some comparisons on statements about homosexuality.
Initial statement by New York gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino on Sunday Oct 10;"I don't want children to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option. It isn't."
Retraction reported by CNN News on Wed. Oct 14 after "advocate groups for gays and lesbians" criticized his remarks: "Paladino acknowledged that he made mistakes when he told Jewish leaders that children should not be "brainwashed" into thinking that homosexuality is an acceptable option."
Ok now let's compare these political remarks to the Bible as it records a stunning prophetic warning of the Judgment:
Isaiah 3:9 (Contemporary English Version)
The look on your faces shows
that you are sinful as Sodom,
and you don't try to hide it.
You are in for trouble,
and you have brought it all
YEP THAT'S US!
Thank God Isaiah wasn't running for office in a land far more homosexualized than Sodom ever became!
By the way......
I said I agreed with your post, but...I wanna ask your intent.
Do you believe that this liberal movement that's being put into effect in America is God's judgement upon us? As though it were the fault of Christians? (Well, it IS the fault of some Christians who cater to the liberal agenda). But will you perhaps elaborate further on your post?
Some Christians I've talked to seem to think that Christians have no business even getting into politics. I say pshaw. What we need right now are more Christians with the guts to be leaders in America. More true Christians anyway...
Interesting that Paladino rents out two of his properties to house gay bars. So, he is willing to promote the lifestyle as long as he is pocketing some cash, but on the other hand he is self-righteous and talks about brainwashing kids. No one is brainwashing kids, at least that I am aware of! But I am sure kids walk by the gay bars that he houses every day, so if he doesn't want kids exposed, maybe he should think about that. He is the one sending emails to people that portray bestiality and pornography! His son also runs one of the gay nightclubs; interesting point also.
The issue of gay rights has nothing to do with religion! It has to do with equal rights under the law! There is Caesar's law and God's law, according to the Bible. As long as marriage ceremonies can be conducted outside of churches (city hall or courthouses), those marriages fall under civil law, not religious. And civil rights are just that, civil, not religious rules! So ridiculous! If it isn't in your bedroom, it isn't your business!
Interestingly, the parable of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Jewish tradition did not stress homosexuality.
Christians seem to ignore all the horrible crimes described (starving, killing and raping people, selfishness, torture, etc.) and fixate on homosexuality.
But I guess demonizing rapists, murderers, and thieves won't fill your pews and your collection plates?
That is a lie on both counts. God and Gays have nothing to do with the destruction of this Country. The Christian Right and Republicans raped and robbed this country of its treasure and it's moral standing in this world.
You don't want to know where the cross has been.
I think so, too.
It's amazing to me that religionists and politicians who have pet subjects and preach with vehemence about them are really concealing their own fears about themselves. It's crazy sh*t.
There is a woman CEO in a small corporation I know who absolutely brutalizes homosexuals in all her public speeches and writings, but she's never been married, and only keeps women companions. Talk about in the closet...
It's over-compensation out of fear that people will realize that she's gay.
Amen, I agree with your post.
It's tough for politicians. I think many of them are scared they'll lose if they stick up for what's right. But that's no excuse; they should stand strong anyway.
By the way, pay no attention to the attempt at distraction by the guy who's trying to insult you and accuse you of being a closet gay. We are forewarned that we will be persecuted if we speak Biblical Truths.
What goes around, comes around
How are you doing Brenda?
I'm doing fine, Misha; thanks for asking, I think. ha
And...stressing that the gay lifestyle is unBiblical isn't persecuting anyone. It's warning them for the sake of their souls. People don't have to respond personally to that and shout out the supposed value of gay sex; nor do they have to insult a Christian for speaking Biblical Truths. Yet they so often do! Why is that, Misha?
Nah Brenda, you need somebody like Mark to be patient enough to repeat to you (and the likes of you) those same things, day in and day out - until you finally see the light and realize that you cause such an attitude yourself, by your condescending and arrogant behavior. I am done with this thread, at least for now
Because fairy tales (no pun intended) are for putting children to sleep, not a rational basis for morality.
I believe that someday you will Believe, Ron.
But then, I'm an optimist.
I've been trying to drink myself into such a state of irrationality...
So far, all I'm getting is a headache.
You would have to be to think God will ignore the fact that you're living in a state of unrepentant sin but still expect to go to Heaven, right?
Brenda, When we are persecuted for christ sake, all we need to do is rejoice.
I may check out your ChristianCaring site sometime.
Are you gonna write some Hubs, or no?
I agree 100%..
Ronald Reagan was a known homosexual and he not only became President, but served as Governor of a huge state.
If a man with his questionable morals and sexual habits (lets not forget he was divorced, and is wife dabbled in astrology and the occult for guidance) can serve as President, surely the country is doomed!
Greek, heck, next you'll be saying John Wayne was homosexual, that his swagger was from being cramped up in the closet for so long.
"Ronald Reagan was a known homosexual"
I didn't know he was gay.
Maybe it was "known" only by other homosexuals?
Greek, how did you know?
He was the first president to have a habitrail erected in the white house.
oh please.. EVERYONE knows he was gay... even Bonzo was not immune from his advances
Wish I could shut my playboy mouth, oh oh oh-oh
How'd I turn my shirt inside out? Inside outright
Control your poison babe, roses have thorns they say
And we're all getting hosed tonight, oh oh oh-oh
From the Book of Gaga Just:Dance
You've often joked and seem to be of a liberal mind.
But I believe you've said you're Greek Orthodox in your beliefs? Is that correct?
So....how do you reconcile your stances with the fact that you're religious (if indeed you are).?
Yes, I am a Christian.
Although I'm not too sure which stances of mine you think contradict my expressed faith, certainly I too often wonder how some of the positions held by evangelical conservatives can be reconciled with Christianity.
I suppose that each of us believes what we do because we feel our views are in accordance with Jesus' teachings.
Which stances of mine in particular do you find contradictory?
my computer's been down. So if you haven't forgotten this subject entirely, I'll respond.....
Your rather racy joking and attitude.
And your support of the gay lifestyle (at least, I was assuming you support it, from some things I've seen you post?; if not, please disregard).
I wonder if the folks who malign gays and gayness also take a strong stand about clothing of mixed fibers, men shaving their beards, women cutting their hair, crossdressing, and the eating of pork, shellfish, or other such abominations.
I mean, if it says, "abomination unto the Lord," then it's an abomination unto the Lord, right? and for the good of America, all shrimp-eaters must be taught the error of their ways, for yea, they offendeth the Lord, who will surely smite this nation of shrimp-eating abominators.
Christians are the epitome of hypocritical. It makes for a great show.
Yes, I hope so too. Didn't God say something about us not judging people? And what does all this have to do with politics, other than the attempt by the right wing to distract the base with religion and famiiy values while their corporate buddies are financially sodomizing them?
Fundamentalists of nearly all religions share a peculiar and unhealthy preoccupation with sexuality.
According to the Bible, there are at LEAST 600+ laws that Christians no longer follow. They say they don't apply now. Which is pretty good ammunition about picking and choosing whatever you want from Christianity. The smorgasborg approach is about the only truly consistent thing I've seen in Christianity.
It stinks. "Any thing I want now" shows an appalling lack of principles and ethics.
What was the point of this post?
If you wanted to stir up the christians among us you did a pretty good job. But, the comments always seem to movwe towards what the bible says and away from the person you are obviously attempting to trash. Which eventually leads to trashing the Homosexual community and bannishing all gays to hell.
I for one could care less about what this person who is running for office said or didn't say. pople still seem to believe that some smuck politician is going to come along and drastically change society with big words and a lot of lies.
I'm still waiting for that to happen. How many people are still waiting for drastic change? care to comment?
This just goes into the political arena as any press is good press. One reason why terrorsits see us as a potential target, because our media will shoot their mouth off on any subject, as long as they believe it stirs up controversy. It will only help them in the end.
Get so tired of "Christians" being the judges of everyone's behavior! If you are a "Christian", aren't you supposed to let God be the judge? Just make sure you live what you consider to be a good life, quit hurting others by judging them, and only worry about your own judgement day! Quit your damn preaching! You can do more to influence others by the way you live your own life then by insulting people and trying to inflict your beliefs on everyone!
As far as eating shrimp, don't forget lobsters and crabs are included in the 'no,no' foods, I think.
That is probably the reason BP had an oil spill...They were just trying to follow the Bible and destroy that evil fishing industry in the Gulf Coast!
Meh, it's everyones right to think what they want. I don't judge this guy any more for his views on homosexuality than I view the choice of a gay guy for being homosexual (And when I say choice, I know it may be more than that, it is simply a point I am making)
The worrying part would be if someone with anti-gay views tried to clamp down on homosexuality.
It does make me wonder if he was talking about homosexuality in general though or the human species. Since procreating for the continued existence of man kind can only happen between a man and a woman that is the only valid and successful option.
When it comes down to a homosexual person living a happy life however, the complete opposite is true, and a reluctance to accept their own desires could elad to unhappy marriages, and a sad life which could have been much more.
These are all views of an outsider though, I have never had tendancies towards the same sax, so can only process what is happening through abstract thought, rather than a true knowledge of the lifestyle.
I simply dont understand why god would be so concerned about sexual orientation of an individual?.
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