On what basis do you assume that the regulation has anything to do with 'Obamacare'?
So basically what you're saying is it was bad with Medicare before and the report says that Obama's health care reform made it worse.
Thank you Kidgas, for taking the time to somewhat clarify everything I've been reading for the past few days.
It is much more appreciated than being attacked.
I'm glad other people caught that. The title of this thread clearly makes it seem like Obama is responsible for this, but then when presented with the actual facts the original poster tries to hide behind "oh I'm just passing on information".
The public is already very misinformed about the health care changes, and this thread and the hub created to go along with it are just helping to spread the misinformation.
That doesn't sound like any of the provisions that have been put into place by the Obama health care bill.
They cut medicare by 23%. MDs can't afford or don't want to put up with cuts.
But when I offer to pay cash for this service I should not be told it is illegal.
I guess this was what Pelosi meant when she said that we needed to pass the bill to find out what's in it.
It sounds like that is a law that stops medical companies taking advantage of people who are meant to be able to get free healthcare, she needs to go to a medical center that accepts medicaid.
Okay, so what's the point in being forced, by law, to purchase health insurance - if the medical providers refuse to continue providing services, whether covered by lawfully purchased health insurance or paid for with cash?
Probably, but the lights will go off as soon as Obama enters the room.
He's a smooth one.
this healthcare bill is sooo not what I expected it to be.
(honestly, I've had no opinion on it until recently due to circumstances thought to be out of my control)
You can't pay cash in an emergency room either. You either have to have insurance, or they bill you...right?
Doctors have been doing this forever.
You can't just walk in and pay cash unless it's a clinic.
You must be associated with their medical insurance providers...isn't that so?
Especially if you are referred by another doctor. You have to stay in their pool of doctors.
Like blue cross blue shield...some take it, some take pilgrim. They will tell you, "we don't accept that insurance."
As far as I know, the only place that accepts cash is a walk-in clinic.
But, here is the real problem with healthcare in the USA:
"Eight months ago, I had to visit the ER. I stayed there for 24 hours. They did two EKGs, x-rayed my chest, did lab tests, and gave me one shot and one tablet. Now I got a bill for $18,000."
See, if we were in a big Universal Pool with everybody contributing for everybody...this would not happen. This person would have been treated for free, as my mom's friend was when she broke her wrist on a visit to Ireland. When mom's friend asked how they would bill her, they said, "Oh you owe us nothing ma-am, we were happy to help you."
I can pay my doctor cash and I can pay cash in the ER and I have! Maybe it's just your state.
Actually doctors haven't been doing this forever. The problem started when GOVERNMENT began telling the insurance companies what to cover and how to pay the service providers. long ago, people paid their doctors directly, by check or they made arrangements with their doctors for payments if the costs was high. Sometimes the doctors even forgave their fee or part of it. People had insurance but it was "hospitalization" insurance for catastrophic illness. Once the insurance companies were forced between the consumer and service provider (again by government) the entire relationship changed.
Oh, so it's the GVT's fault that that lady was charged $18,000!!!
Geuss they decide that the cost of propane is 3.89 per gallon too.
And that a movie is 10 bucks.
Or that gas just went to 3.19 per gallon, etc etc etc.
That durn gvt, always making business over-charge!!!
I didn't say that! Of course, that may be the case IF Obamacare isn't repealed! They already require insurance companies to spend a fixed precentage of their premiums for paying benefits. They decide what to pay doctors for services provided under Medicare, and they will decide what you will pay for insurance, not only that, but they will require you to pay it!
lmc - I'm not sure why this person in the example would have received ER care for free. Please explain.
Wendl M., That was your mom's doctor rules. I have never heard of that one.
It is called balance billing and for the most part is considered illegal. See the link below:
http://www.benefitssellingmag.com/Exclu … legal.aspx
Also, it has little to do with Obamacare but simply injecting a third party into a transaction involving 2 other parties. Health care rates and bills to insurance companies, etc are simply hidden taxes. Those that have insurance are charged more to make up for the losses on those who don't or can't pay.
There are some hospitals that make decent profit margins but on average the margin is 5%.
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article … 312079952#
The margins for health insurance companies is about the same:
http://www.lockergnome.com/swordofdesti … y-so-evil/
However, it has been stated that administrative costs add about 20% to the cost of health care. Just think about all the paper pushing that occurs with health insurance.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ … ive-costs/
So 30% of the cost of health care goes to support profits for hospitals, insurance companies, and administrative costs.
Anyway, it is a complex problem that won't be solved here. My point is that balance billing is likely illegal but has been for years (see 1989 in link below):
Doug, unfortunately people are easily misinformed, and too often anger is used before rationale.
Obama care is not new to me.
I remember before electing him as President, he was CareMan
Also check my Hubs
Exactly!!! Rather than have us all out there grubbing around for good care...why not give us ALL what your son has!
They are thinking backwards.
EVERYBODY deserves good healthcare!!!
And of course somebody else (not you) will have to pay for it, and doctors should be demanded to give of their time and talents for little or nothing, according to the all powerful imperial federal government.
Exactly how much of someone else's time and talent do you believe you are entitled to?
Why do you assume that people expect to receive good health care and not pay for it? No one expects free anything---at least I don't! I pay plenty for my health insurance and always have. I am also paying taxes for Medicaid and Medicare (which I do not receive), and taxes for many other programs for which I do not receive any direct benefit. If my taxes had to go up, I would prefer they go up to pay for equal access to health care, not wars. Most advanced countries offer health care to their citizens and the citizens do not get it for free. They pay for it through their taxes.
And no, doctors should not have to work for free. Doctors have quite a ways to go before they are living in poverty because they are providing free care.
Almost 20 years ago, I worked for 5 cardiologists. They were each making in excess of 300K per year and most of their patients were on Medicare. Poverty? Not even close!
So, tell me, where do you stand on the Medicare pay cut for doctors?
Closing this thread at request of thread creator.
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