Obama America's Version Of Hu Jintao

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   lady_love158posted 12 years ago

   http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/ … r_667.html
   
   Wealth inequality is a fact of life its human nature some people are just more ambitious.  The idea that government can redistribute wealth and create fairness and social justice is a fallacy! This is how democrats play on the emotions of their herd and establish their base for power which is really their goal!

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      lady_love, are you a paid poster?
      Does someone pay you to post and to stir political opinion on this forum?

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         DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Guarantee it

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         AnnCeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         This is getting so boring.  Don't you libs have another game plan?   Ought to go consult Alinsky play book or something.

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You've lost me Sweetheart
            No idea what you are talking about. So are you and lady_love one and the same?

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               AnnCeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Oh yeah, sockpuppet.  Geez.

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            DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            "Don't you libs have another game plan?" lolllll That is a bit like calling the kettle black isn't it? I was doing a quick inventory on Lady Love's forum topics over the last four months.
            
            I have yet to find ONE that didn't start out with an Obama bash and/or the term "socialist" associated with Democrats, and not one that didn't have an exclamation mark - if not several lmao. She has officially surpassed Senator McCarthy of the 1950's in her use of the term "socialist" associated with Democrats. And McCarthy was head of the batsh1t crazy department during the Eisenhower years.  Ironically there are almost NO forum topics posted by liberals that "slam" Republicans specifically or sing Obama's praises.
            
            Lady Love and sometimes you, albiet to a smaller extent, are little Energizer Bunnies for the GOP and the Tea Party.
            
            So who REALLY has the same old, boring game plan on here? lollll And you really wonder why more than a dozen posters on these forum have come to the conclusion that Lady Love is on someone's payroll?????

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         pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         @izzy i guess most hubbers out here do believe that...

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You see, there you go again, spouting off against Democrats, when it is already obvious that is comes from both sides.
      
      So you're argument against Democrats does nothing for you. It just shows how hypocritical both sides are.

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      livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How much did you get paid for this post?

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      dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Your argument here is about as usefull as a screen door on a submarine!
      
      Sense when is the retraction of people's rights to bargan for their own wage, the removal of a  right to toil and endevor;  The re-distribution of wealth?
      
      You could drive whats left of Kadafi's army through the hole in your statement. You need to re-write that Republican Bible you spout... No way
      - I think even Neut would be smart enough to stay away from that one!

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   ShortStoryposted 12 years ago

   Is this the new thing now? Anyone you disagree with is "a paid poster"? Seems to be the topic of every thread lately.

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      lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It's the strategy of the left, distract, dinigrate, and deflect to avoid any discussion of the real issue.
      @Ann yes it is getting old! Maddow, Beck, Limbaugh, and even president Obama get paid for sharing their views, does that mean they really don't believe what they say? It's a moot point, answering the question doesn't serve my interest in any way, and besides where does it say I'm obligated to answer any question? These lefties have to get over themselves and start addressing the logic of their foolish and failed philosophies.

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   pisean282311posted 12 years ago

   @ts i for a change agree to you...even if wealth is redistributed few years down the line , things would be back to same position...it is nature ...what communist or socialist think is paramount of human thought and humans are not mature to that level which makes their theory impractical is current times...may be another 5k years down the line , yes but as of now...No...

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   John Holdenposted 12 years ago

   Assuming that money always moves towards itself, ie, give £100 to a poor man he will immediately spend it and put it back in the hands of the rich, taxes for benefits  do no harm, they stop money stagnating.
   
   Consider it not as redistribution but as a loan!
   
   The rich objecting to taxation is not rational and is based purely on the need to hoard and hoard only for the sake of hoarding.

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      lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Lol! Yes the rich take money put it in a room and take it out of circulation.

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         John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Glad you've finally sussed that one out, though maybe not in a room, but invested in China or similar where it won't help the economy one iota.

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            pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            hey but Hu Jintao did make his country as most powerful country in the world and being biggest creditor of the world ...guess obama is taking steps in right direction visionary..indeed

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               John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes indeedy. He could do worse.

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                  pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  

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               lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes of course all you socialists would see the comparison as a positive.

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                  pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  lets compare...one is country with 4.5 times population of usa and had 60% poverty in 60s...now that same country has 10% poverty ...it is fastest growing economy ...it is second largest economy...it is biggest creditor...on other hand we have super power usa known for its innovations which is now biggest debtor with 3 trillion taken from china alone...it has slipped from being most powerful country to no 2 position in last decade with bush being its president... its unemployment had risen ...obama has two options to see there is problem and continue the bush way or see how china rose ..now in comparison to bush and  Jintao , obviously jintao is far more successful and coming to human rights ...bush cannot be rated to be good in that too...Guiana , iraq speak louder...so jinato scores well and being president of usa and christian and totally patriot american...obama is infact heading to correct path...

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                     DannyMaioposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     so i guess the child labor thing and no unions is OK again? that is how they are creating wealth! people get paid crap there and the reason they sell cheaply! wow how the socialist turn so quick when they hear take more.

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                        DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Yeah.. great points Danny - but you know what you mentioned is exactly what Conservatives are pushing for. And I realize you aren't a hardcore Conservative.
                        But the point is this: for all the bashing about controlled and centrally-managed economies (socialist and communists) they do have a way of advancing quickly. When I was a kid in the late 1960's and 70's, China was a peasant society - not even recognized by the US until Nixon went on a state visit. Within the course of thirty years, China has risen to a point that, sadly, could never be realized in a free-market society. I am not defending managed economies and the "downside" on human rights and would never want that for our nation, but you have to give some credit to China. The Soviet Union was able, in the space of thirty years, to bring itself from an agrarian, serf-based economy to a major world power - second only to the US.
                        The question is this: what have we done on any real significance in the last 30 years? In the last ten years, we have done nothing but fight endless and extremely expensive "scrub wars".

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                           DannyMaioposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I truly do not think the right wants the same as that. I think you are exaggerating a bit. plus nobody would ever let child labor or Mistreatment. This is 2011 not the 40's or 50's. also I guess we are both the same age or pretty close as I was also a kid in the late 60's. I think we have grown from there and much too advanced to let that happen. In my Personal opinion we have been going downhill since BUSH! that Iraq war was the most stupidest thing he done! since then it has been a real free-fall

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                           ShortStoryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           You've got it completely backwards with regards to China. Mao's centrally planned nonsense resulted in the unnecessary deaths of tens of millions of people. It was only after Deng Xiaoping began the process of letting China's economy become more market-driven that China began to really develop. Over  time, the more they moved away from communist economics toward a free market system the faster they developed, unleashing the great creative and competitive potential of her people.
                           
                           As for the USSR, they developed into a military, not economic power. In fact, the inherent weakness of their economic system is what Reagan was able to exploit to hasten the demise of that evil empire.

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                              DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              I am not defending China's system or the former Soviet Union's. All I said, and I stick by it, is that centrally-planned economies, in a few very minor ways, have some advantage over strictly market-based economies. I am not defending their "way of life." But we can't ignore that during the 1970's, China was basically a peasant society. Now it is an economic powerhouse, a world player.
                              Example: The Chinese as well as the Israelis and a handfull of other smaller players are pulling patents hand-over-fist for green energy technologies. And yes, China is NOW a huge polluter and a huge consumer of fossil fuels - no doubt about it. But I am willing to bet they have a plan, a fairly rigid plan, to move out of that in the next 30-40 years. And I am willing to bet they will make it happen - if history repeats itself and their current flurry of research continues. The Chinese don't have to "worry" about energy company lobbyists and their multi-hundred millions being spent to bend Washington to their will. We say we want to move away from fossil fuels and dependency on oil, but in reality as long as there is the long buck to be made, we will be riding this pig until the last ounce of useable crude is pumped out of the ground.
                              We all joke about "green energy" and the "whackiness" of it all, etc.
                              What the hell do the Chinese know that we don't know? With their success in the last thirty years economically, I am willing to bet they know something - at the very least.  They haven't made too many misteps in the last thirty years when it comes to making money.  With their still planned economy, they are able to make a decision, at the top,  and move forward - rather quickly. We sit and endlessly debate the issue - it's all politics here. It's all about who gets the fortune cookie. The Chinese have made it all about how can we sell yet another commodity to the "Yankee." Hell in order to be a "good conservative" in the US, you can't even ponder the issue of Global Warming or you are labeled a "socialist:" - at least in the current, toxic political climate.  In the US it's become more of a political football than anything else.  We have swtiched places with the former idealogues - we have now become "them" idealogically speaking. Instead of speaking about and waxing poetically about "what a good communist is," we speak and wax poetically about what a "good conservative or capitalist is..."  Meanwhile they figure new ways to take our money. We have to worry about "offending" the oil industry, the coal industry, etc. etc. Newsflash - the fossil fuels industry is NEVER going to willingly admit it is selling a finite product.
                              
                              We put a lot of "green energy" research and development in the hands of the OIL COMPANIES. So yeah, I am betting the oil companies are going to work real hard at putting themselves out of a job.
                              
                              But you are correct - the Chinese have made hay with the "best" of the free market system but they have also made the "best" out of a planned economy.
                              
                              Now let's see how badly they can throw it our face.... .If we don't take this very real issue out of the realm of politics and into the realm of economics, we will be purchasing even "new energy" from the rest of the world... and that's sad.

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                                 ShortStoryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 You want to make a point about centrally planned economies, but the examples you chose demonstrate the exact opposite, as I pointed out in my previous post.

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            lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            So money invested doesn't help the economy? Hmmm... no wonder no one takes youlibs seriously!

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               John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It depends on how it is invested, invested in foreign countries assists the economy very little, invested in the poor of a country helps a great deal.
               
               I know you republicans don't do common sense but think about it a little.
               You know it makes sense.

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      ShortStoryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Do you harbor such irrational hatred and concoct such illogical theories about other groups of people you don't like (envy), or just the rich?

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         John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         And what precisely is illogical about it? Money spent in the domestic economy benefits the domestic economy, money invested in the foreign economy benefits the investor and the country that the money is invested in!
         
         And why does realising that involve hating anybody?
         
         You may not agree with me but your accusations of illogical and irrational thought say rather more about you than they do about me.

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            ShortStoryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            What happens to the money that the investor makes? What are the larger-scale consequences of this foreign investment?
            
            Just come out and say you envy and hate the rich and be done with it.

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               

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               John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               What happens to the money that the investor makes! He reinvests it in yet another foreign business! The larger scale consequences of this foreign investment is fewer jobs at home and less tax revenue to support those unemployed workers, amongst others!
               
               Why should I come out and lie? I neither envy or hate the rich, I don't worship them like you do and I can see their feet of clay, but hate and envy, no.

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                  DannyMaioposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  so either way by your explanation he is helping someone...NO? so stop complaining, your just mad because you want free shit! so the rich person is actually helping another country which has people that your concerned about, Is that correct? so maybe it is not coming here but that rich person is helping somewhere even with the profits from other countries! thanks for clearing that up! I always knew they were helping someway besides paying most of the taxes.

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               DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               If that investor is part of the ultra-wealthy class, it goes off-shore into a tax shelter. John is 100% correct - if the money doesn't "stay" here in the domestic market, it doesn't benefit the domestic market.

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