Obama Jobs Plan A Path To America's Destruction?

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   lady_love158posted 13 years ago

   http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … inion_main
   
   In keeping with the theme of corruption in the Obama White House we have this article that explains a number of things. First, states run by democrats, so called blue states, and states with a high percentage of public service unions, or states with a high percentage of a democrat constituency are states with the biggest economic problems, and they also happen to be the states that got the larger share of stimulus money and who are slated to benefit from Obama's jobs bill. Obviously dems are notoriously bad at economics, and are corrupt ideologues first and leaders second.

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      Nick Lucasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      good article and point! With Obama and liberals 2 and 2 dont equal 4 so of course they will deny deny deny that they did anything wrong and find the nearest person to blame it on...........

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      bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Getting money into the hands of main street is a sure path to national destruction of.... the banksters.

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      AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have to disagree with the majority of states that are the worse economically hit are ran by Democrats. I live in a Southwestern State ran by Republicans and our state is Bankrupt. I foreclosure rate is through the roof and unemployment is horrific.: I am not Republican or Democrat so it is bad on both sides.

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   Yup.
   
   It is fairly simple to see, just look around at the Democrat welfare states and cities.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Hmmmm, Massachusetts was voted number one in education....great hospitals. Cancer care on the Cape is bar none.
   
   Whereas, in Texas....half the kids don't graduate. Half the people have no health insurance.
   
   Red states also use more tax dollars than blue, for worse results.
   
   Bible thumpin apparently doesn't result in Christian values!

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      lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Really? By who? Where is the link to your stats?

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         kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Where's the link to YOUR stats? The article you posted above doesn't say a single word about blue states having the greatest economic problems, getting the largest share of stimulus money, or benefiting the most from Obama's job bill.
         
         The closest it comes to making any of those statements is this: "States with a bluish hue—that is, states with legislatures that are heavily Democratic and have a highly unionized public-sector work force—must pay interest rates that are often an extra half a percentage point higher than states with a reddish coloring. "
         
         Have you ever managed to "summarize" an article accurately in your life? If so, I'm pretty hard pressed to remember it! This isn't the first time I've caught you openly lying about what an article you post says, and I know others have done the same.

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            lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't post any stats I posted my opinion which can be supported by many facts if you choose to do the research instead of hiding your head in the sand. Pick a city, any troubled big city in America, and you will find a long history of democrat leadership. Detroit is one example that comes to mind with over 50 years of democrat control the city is virtually bankrupt. Look at CA, RI, NJ, PA, NY, IL, they're all a mess.

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               kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               "In keeping with the theme of corruption in the Obama White House we have this article that explains a number of things. First, states run by democrats, so called blue states, and states with a high percentage of public service unions, or states with a high percentage of a democrat constituency are states with the biggest economic problems, and they also happen to be the states that got the larger share of stimulus money and who are slated to benefit from Obama's jobs bill."
               
               Right, just your opinion. No attempt whatsoever to make it look like the article said something it didn't.
               
               "Look at CA, RI, NJ, PA, NY, IL, they're all a mess."
               
               Maybe that's because they've been subsidizing the red states for years. lovemychris is right, the states that receive the highest amount of federal spending relative to the amount of tax dollars they pay are overwhelmingly red:
               
               http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

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                  Jaydeusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  ''Maybe that's because they've been subsidizing the red states for years.  lovemychris is right, the states that receive the highest amount of federal spending relative to the amount of tax dollars they pay are overwhelmingly red:
                  
                  http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html ''
                  
                  Owned.

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                     lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Hardly. The data you provided is from 2005 and besides, what a state pays in tax and how much it gets back doesn't necessarily correlate to their poor economic condition. Nothing was provided to support that connection but then, libs don't need evidence to support their ideas they just have to make a claim and therfore that makes it so.

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                        kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I couldn't find anything more recent, and you'll notice that the organization that did the study has a note up on the page mentioning that they are waiting for more recent data themselves. However, they do have data going back to 1981, which you are free to peruse:
                        
                        http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html
                        
                        "Nothing was provided to support that connection"
                        
                        Because it was speculation, not fact. I'm certainly not claiming that the tax/spending gap is the ONLY contributing factor to the budget crises in many states. However, it seems logical to me that a state such as California that receives just $0.78 back for every dollar that leaves the state in federal taxes would be more prone to budget problems than a state such as Mississippi that receives $2.02 back for every dollar that leaves.

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                           lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Well thats not an assumption you should make. Look at the size of the economy of CA and compare that to MS. CA is the 8th largest economy in the WORLD! Where as MS total economy is 76 billion.

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                              kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              LOL, so is CA a miserable failure or not? Make up your mind!

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                                 lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 It's the 8th kargest economy in the world AND its bankrupt!! You want to claim its because for every dollar they send to the feds they only get back .78 dollars. I doubt that's why they are bankrupt but that does show what a lousy jobs the democrat senators are doing for their constituency.

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                                    kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    I'm just saying. First you criticize the primarily Democratic lawmakers of CA for their horrible economic mismanagement, then you claim they don't deserve as much federal aid as MS because they've built the 8th largest economy in the world, while MS is still staggering along in the general vicinity of Angola and the Sudan.
                                    
                                    As for CA's budget problems, though I think the tax/spending gap can't be helping, they're mostly the result of deliberate sabotage by Republican lawmakers back in the 70's:
                                    
                                    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article … 38,00.html

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      Nick Lucasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      did you see the job numbers today? and the previous ones? Its funny because liberal states like california are almost bankrupt.....give a liberal gov a dollar and they waste it as we have seen like with all the green energy initiatives that do not work....

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know what Massachusetts you are talking about. Show me some stats please, Chris... cause that is a big pile of steamy BS if I ever heard one.

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         lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         •Massachusetts students ranked number one in the country on the ACT (read more)
         
         Heart care is the care I meant. Cape Cod Hospital is an innovative, go-to hospital for heart disease.
         
         YOU can google that I don't want to.

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         Quilligrapherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hi there, Tom. Good to see you are back.
         
         I think Chris may know a little more about Massachusetts then the rest of us, Tom.
         
         1. US News ranks Massachusetts second in the nation in their Best High Schools: State-by-State Statistics. Connecticut was ranked first.
         http://education.usnews.rankingsandrevi … statistics
         
         2. US News ranks Massachusetts General Hospital 5th in the nation for treatment in the field of Cardiology & Heart Surgery following Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital. Pretty impressive company I would say.  Mass General ranked 7th in the nation for treating cancer.
         http://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/area/boston-ma
         
         Some, I imagine, might even conclude that characterizing the lady’s remarks “steamy BS” without first conducting your own research was both rude and crude.
         
         I hope you are enjoying the beginning of fall. I love the cooler weather.

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            lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks Quill!
            
            How could anyone dismiss the seat of liberty...old Bean Town?

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            TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I was born and rasied there, Quill.
            
            I spend a lot of time there every year.
            
            And I wouldn't tout US News as a great source.
            
            I agree with their own commentors...
            
            "Connecticut is number 1 yet it has not a single school with a gold medal. And according to the ranking of high schools a school in Virginia is number 1 but Virginia is number 23."
            
            "If I understand correctly the ranking above references enrollment numbers, population race, and medals. I am looking for more real information...like a ranking of states regarding SAT/ACT scores or % of students going on to college and graduating. Is this information out there?"
            
            Doesn't seem like anything more than propaganda to me.
            
            I could let you speak to my mieces and nephews when I go up there again, and their friends, and then you speak to me of MA. having a brilliant edu system.
            
            I am no statistician, Quill, but I believe you can find a poll to back anything and another to despute the same.
            
            And it is nice to see you again also, Quill.
            
            I hope you have been well?
            
            Yes I am enjoying the cooler weather also... it was a lil too hot for a while there here. But the last few days have been cool and breezy. Very nice.

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               Quilligrapherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I didn’t know you were a Massachusetts boy, Tom.  I really enjoy the scenery up that way.
               
               With all the experience you and I have with forum commentaries, it seems odd that you would quote two comments from unknown readers who clearly were too lazy to read the methodology used in the ranking process.   It is not likely that an intelligent observer would denounce the US News and its staff of professional researchers as an unreliable source because two readers either questioned or did not find specific data. 
               
               Nor would a careful decision-maker declare the project as “propaganda” without first taking time to review the factors considered in the formal methodology.  Did the editors intentionally skew the data to make Connecticut look better than Massachusetts and the rest of the country? My reasoning leads me to think that is unlikely. On the contrary, the publication explained in detail how “a three-step process determined the best high schools. The first two steps ensured that the schools serve all their students well, using state proficiency standards as the benchmarks. For those schools that made it past the first two steps, a third step assessed the degree to which schools prepare students for college-level work.”  You can read all about it at http://education.usnews.rankingsandrevi … h-schools.
               There are other ways to evaluate the best schools in the country. This is but one.
               
               I’m sure that you are convinced your nieces and nephews could do a better job than US News in gathering and analyzing data covering “21,786 public high schools in 48 states plus the District of Columbia.”  To flippantly reject the compilation without cause and investigation because it does not agree with your view of the world would set a bad example for them.
               
               It is a fact, neither of us is a statistician, Tom, and this is not a poll. Polls are but a snapshot taken under controlled circumstances.  True, they sometimes disagree, just like many people do, but this is not a good reason to disregard them. Rather, it is a great opportunity to explore and learn from the underlying dynamics that result in the disagreement.
               
               You be sure to take care. Tom.  Here the falling leaves bode an early winter.  Brrrrr!

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                  TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  All I can say Q... is if that poll is correct then this nation is so screwed it is not funny. If Mass. represents the best in edu. for this nation... then it is a sad day in this country.
                  
                  And yes, early fall... long cold winter.

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                  TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't know, Quill.
                  
                  I have been rumaging through the -NEA Annual Rankings and Estimates- and I am not so sure anything I see justifys placing Massachusetts at the top of the list for anything.
                  
                  But it is alot of info and I have not read through it, simply perused its pages... but still i do not see any support for placing Ma. on the top.
                  
                  http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/HE/NEA_R … 010711.pdf

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                     Quilligrapherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Thanks for sharing this link, Tom. It contains a lot of data covering a broad range of criteria.
                     
                     Perhaps the US News report should be re-titled:
                     "Best of the Worst High Schools: State-by-State Statistics"

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            lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You are a good man Q even if you're a lib. I respect and value your contributions!

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      Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Texas has a very large Hispanic population, a large part of that population is illegal. This can't be that hard to figure out. If you don't speak the language and have no desire to you are not going to go too far in school. This is the facts whether you like it or not.

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   Terri Meredithposted 13 years ago

   You know...I keep hearing the bitching and complaining about the Democrats do this, the Democrats do that, yada, yada, yada...  And then I hear the same thing about the Republicans.  The truth of the matter is that both factions have some good ideas and some bad ideas.  Neither of them have all the "right" answers.  To lump all Republicans or all Democrats into a certain profile is just downright immature and juvenile, showing a serious lack of good common sense.
   
   The truth of the matter is that any group is only as good as the people in command.  Good ideas or not, if the intentions behind the ideas are not honorable, then the implementation of said ideas will be devastating to the population.  I'm sorry, but there has been wide spread active corruption in both camps.  It's now an excepted method of doing government business.  The only time anything is done about it is if someone manages to blow the whistle loud enough to gain the constituents' attention.  Then there's a mad scramble to cover collective asses.
   
   I live in Pennsylvania.  We suffered under the rule of a Republican governor for the past 8 years, and now we have another one.  We just suffered serious flooding throughout central and eastern PA.  There are billions of dollars in damages caused mainly by a poorly maintained infrastructure.  So many of our bridges and roads have been destroyed because of the State's failure to maintain them, yet we have exorbitant taxes, some of which are specifically earmarked for road maintenance.
   
   Ed Rendell is a perfect example of a corrupt politician who beds down with organized crime.  He is a Republican.  Tom Corbett is the new Governor, also a Republican.  Several years ago he jailed a woman who refused to honor his demand to cease and desist in her efforts of providing information to the public.  She had a website that informed people of their legal rights, and the legal step by step method of fighting against government infringement on those rights.  She also provided copies of the necessary forms needing to be filed and where to do so.  Corbett decided her activities were illegal, even though she was NOT dispensing legal advice.  She was simply providing PUBLIC information on the necessary steps to take in one's personal endeavors of properly protecting their Constitutional rights.
   
   She was jailed to put a halt to her activities.  Corbett undoubtedly knew his case wouldn't really stick, but it served to close the public's access to her information for several months while she awaited trial.  More importantly, it sent a message to the people that blocking the government from usurping their Constitutional rights would only land them in jail.
   
   Before Rendell we had Tom Ridge, another Republican.  He was a good man who paid attention to his constituents.  I had occasion to deal with his office on employment and welfare related issues, that had impact on my position as an employer.  I was amazed by the extensive help offered and the swiftness with his response, as well as the resources he put at my disposal.  I was disappointed with his agreement to take the newly formed position in Homeland Security in the Bush Administration.  I found myself questioning his integrity.
   
   Not surprisingly, Tom Ridge left that position relatively quick.  There was an air of hush over the decision.  It was announced that he was retiring to spend more time with his family.  First of all, he was a bit young to be retiring.  Second, his departure was pretty hasty with no prior hint of him taking such a step.  I'm sure he engaged in the usual back scratching for some things, but I believe he was thoroughly disillusioned by what he experienced as part of the Bush regime.  He is basically a good man who was either pushed out because of a refusal to go with the corrupt agenda, or he left on his own to avoid being a part of the systematic removal of American liberties.

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      Nick Lucasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well written and great examples. I will not deny the fact that all political parties have corrupt members.  Obama has just taken the lead as of late.  There are many democrats im sure...like moderate ones....that have good ideas and are respectable people.

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      lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry there are no democrats with good ideas. Oh and your governor, is a DEMOCRAT!
      
      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Rendell
      
      Oops Corbett is your governor now, a republican, replacing Rendell the democrat in the 2010 tidal wave that swept socialist democrats from office. 2012 will be even bigger! We've seen it in NY 9 and in Obama begging for love!

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         Nick Lucasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         im sure there are some.....it maybe like trying to find waldo but there must be one out there in the sea of liberal idiots haha

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         Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         @LadyLove:  I apologize.  Saying Rendell was a Republican was a mistake that came about when I was editing my post before posting.  I originally had used first Tom Corbett, followed by Ridge.  When cutting and pasting, I didn't realize I had switched Rendell's affiliation.  How embarrassing.  I'm usually so much more attentive to detail.
         
         For the record, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, though for many years I voted straight ticket Republican.  Senior Bush cured me of identifying with the Republican party, though I lean in that direction on just as many topics as not.  And no, I did not vote for the idiot now in office, but not just because he was a Democrat.  I didn't recognize the man running for president as the same up and coming young senator I had heard and seen several years before.  I did not believe him, nor did I trust him to do right by the people.
         
         Back to PA...the infrastructure of the state has been in a steady decline for the last 40-50 years.  Just so you know, since 1899, Pennsylvania has had 25 governors.  21 of them have been Republican, so the "tidal wave" wasn't really much of an issue or factor.  Over the last 14 gubernatorial elections, Pennsylvanians have consistently switched back and forth, Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican... We've only been termed a Democrat state because of the way the electoral votes are distributed.
         
         The only idiots and morons I see are those who point fingers and call names of entire groups of people.  Y'all are in good company because both Republicans and Democrats do it...Though not every Republican nor every Democrat does so.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Boston-Latin...ever hear of it?
   Harvard? MIT?
   A little school here in Orleans was voted a blue-ribbon school.
   Patrick got Race to the Top money for excellence in education.
   And my daughter is being chased by many colleges due to "the quality of students coming out of that school".
   
   It's a big state, with a lot of variables, but I know for a fact, it is doing better than a whole lot of others.
   
   Unfortunately, Koch has a summer mansion here, and is throwing legal bombs on our wind-farm.
   
   First in the nation, it could be! And that $$ man is worried about his yachting view.

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