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Poor Obama...

  1. habee profile image94
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    The far right was outraged when KSM was to be tried in a civilian court. Now that his trial will be held in a military court, the right is saying Obama flip-flopped and the left is excoriating him, too.

    You guys know I'm not a big Obama fan, but I do try to be fair minded. The far right is wrong here.

    1. Doug Hughes profile image58
      Doug Hughesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You nailed it. I noted before that Newt was for the no-fly zone over Libya until Obama joined the UN to do it. Then he flipped. Romney is trying to say he's opposed to every feature of HIS health care bill in MA because it's Obamacare writ small - right down to the mandate.

      Republicans seem to want the next election to be entirely about hating the person, not a debate about ideas or policy. That's very bad for the country.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        How much longer will you continue to accuse Right-wing people of hatred, Doug, especially when the evidence is to the contrary?

        1. DTR0005 profile image82
          DTR0005posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          As long as the Right wing continues to divide the nation between "good, God-fearing Americans," and "haters of the Constitution, socialists, communists, etc." You really asked that question? And the evidence is that the Right-wing doesn't do that????

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            Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Hey, the Leftist shoe fits.  They're the ones who've managed to divide the Nation.  You need look no further than the current occupant of the White House and his puppets.

            And in case you don't know, Doug is always accusing people of "hatred".   I think it must be actually Doug who hates Rightwingers, from his posts.

            1. Daniel Carter profile image75
              Daniel Carterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Looks like the shoe fits on your foot in many cases, as well.

              As for me, I have a pair of shoes. I think both sides are equally to blame.

              1. Aficionada profile image85
                Aficionadaposted 7 years agoin reply to this


                +1 ! smile

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  -100

                  1. Aficionada profile image85
                    Aficionadaposted 7 years agoin reply to this


                    Sorry 'bout that, Brenda smile ; but I changed the way I originally quoted Daniel's post because I wanted to be sure that it did not give even the slightest appearance that I was aiming a barb at you in any way, shape or form.  I agree with Daniel, very strongly, that there is plenty of blame that belongs legitimately to all sides.  And I feel bad for Habee and her original, very fair-minded post that this thread has deteriorated, as so many do, into a finger-pointing-fest. 

                    My position is, We're all wrong (definitely including myself), and the only way to start making things better is to truly listen to one another without pre-judging.

      2. thisisoli profile image71
        thisisoliposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Indeed - American politics jsut doesn't seem to be working out right now - seperation of corporation and state - Wooo!

    2. rebekahELLE profile image87
      rebekahELLEposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      From the moment he took office, it was made clear that the right had no plans to work together with him.
      It's not about issues or governing anymore, it's a well-paid for, anti-Obama agenda. It's glaringly obvious now if people would open their eyes.

    3. profile image0
      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      How's it wrong?
      The first terrorist who was tried (Ahmed Ghaliani or Ghailiani, whatever his name is) got evidence thrown out because the Obama Administration said it was too sensitive!   I wonder .....surely the Administration knew that to begin with.  Could it be there's something different about how they viewed the first terrorist as opposed to the rest?   Who knows.   But anyway, this is what upsets me so much-----Obama and even Holder are getting  so much "on-the-job training" that it's ridiculous.  We needed someone not only more patriotic but also more aware of military operations.  Or at least the ability to assess military issues much better than Obama and Holder.

  2. BillyDRitchie profile image60
    BillyDRitchieposted 7 years ago

    I think to say Obama flip flopped on the matter is fair.  However I will give him props for this decision (better late than never) as well as his decision to keep Gitmo open.

    I figured this would happen before the election in 2008, despite Obama's promises.  I knew once he got into office and was privy to EVERYTHING, he would better understand why some things are the way they are.

    1. Daniel Carter profile image75
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I think this is a fair statement, Billy. It's easy to make assumptions not having all the info.

      And for the record, I think it's fair to say a lot of politicians on both sides of the isle have flip-flopped for similar reasons. It's just tough to save face when you do.

      However, there are some instances where flip-flopping is a real sign of dangerous leadership. In Romney's case I think he's more about votes than he is about his "principles." He flip-flopped all over the place in MA and in his bid for pres. I think he's being forced to clean it up now to get some legitimacy, but I don't think America is ready for a Mormon in office.

  3. Reality Bytes profile image81
    Reality Bytesposted 7 years ago

    The attorney general should simply resign to save face for the president.  Time for a scapegoat?

  4. Aficionada profile image85
    Aficionadaposted 7 years ago

    Wow, Habee, it didn't take long for your fair-mindedness to give way to other people's biases, did it?

    I'm rather like you, in that I generally don't care for Pres. Obama, but find that occasionally (rarely) I respect him or something he has done. And in the past, I have told myself and anyone who would listen that I would vote for a neon-eyed, silver-plated turtle before I would vote for Obama in 2012. But that was before Donald Trump started sounding serious about running.  Now I may be ready for a flip-flop of my own.

  5. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 7 years ago

    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is being tried as the master-mind behind 9/11. If 9/11 was an inside job there must be a fall guy.
    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was "Waterboarded 183 Times in One Month" is the basis on which Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to 9/11. Any evidence that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed  was not the master-mind will not be allowed in military court. Guilty. Life-sentence. End of a story.

    1. canadawest99 profile image60
      canadawest99posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I can't for the life of me understand why obama would even want to be elected again.  I mean the next president has a very good chance of presiding over the fall of the U.S. from world superpower, especially when the dollar implodes and the U.S. defaults on its 75 trillion dollar debt burden and the middle class revolts.  Who wants to be remembered in the history books for that?   He knows he can't change anything in washington or wall street cause those interests are too powerful.

      1. habee profile image94
        habeeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I've wondered the same thing. I don't know why ANYONE would want the job!

  6. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 7 years ago

    " He knows he can't change anything in washington or wall street cause those interests are too powerful." He doesn't want to change anything that we would want. He serves the oligarchy. Probably thinks that this realpolitik is best for us.

 
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