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How can an "exceptional" country be a "laughingstock"

  1. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    I'm really curious to know how our TP defenders feel about this one. The Tea Party believes in American EXCEPTIONALISM. They have been all over Obama for suggesting that America is exceptional to us, just as other countries are exceptional to their citizens.

    Now here comes Donald Trump, aligning himself with the Birther Movement (right of Republican, fringe TP ideology). And yet, The Donald says America is the "laughingstock of the world" and no one says boo.

    Does not compute (to me). Your thoughts???

    Donald Trump, who has become the standard bearer for the birther movement, now says America is the laughingstock of the world.

    It's unclear when exactly that happened, two years ago when President Barack Obama came on board or before, but The Donald seems pretty sure of it. The "Celebrity Apprentice" host told "Men's Journal" that he might even run for president because of our tarnished reputation.

    "Right now, America is being taken to the cleaners by the Chinese," he told the Journal. "We’re being taken to the cleaners by OPEC. We’re being taken to the cleaners by virtually everybody that does business with us. We’re a laughingstock throughout the world. As president, I’d bring respect back to this country. Yes, I think I’d have to use the phrase 'You’re fired' a few times in that job. A lot of times. Too many."

    1. DTR0005 profile image81
      DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      My friends overseas do talk about this sudden "dumbing down" and radicalization of America. They are particularly amazed by the hell stirred up over healthcare reform. During the Bush years, we were looked upon as a bully. Now we are looked upon, at least by some, as a nation moving quickly toward fascism.

    2. profile image57
      FREEnAZposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, this one is easy!! Put the right guy in office and yes, exceptionalism can turn to one big, global joke!!
      Throwing money at people that would like to destroy us helps, as well as having a movie star POTUS that specializes in campaigning, vacationing, lookin' good, and being VERY "cool."

  2. BobbiRant profile image59
    BobbiRantposted 6 years ago

    What our country Needs is a good old fashioned 'dictator' and Trump fits that bill.  Right?  Joking, but I'm sure Trump will Not sell what is left of America to big biz, right?  :0)  This is a good point you make here.

    1. Mighty Mom profile image91
      Mighty Momposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's kind of fascinating, actually, to watch the Tea Party implosion.
      Reminds me of that Jimmy Cliff song..."The harder they come, the harder they fall, one and all."

  3. Daniel Carter profile image89
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    Gads. An egotistical, mental dwarf who destroys business to prosper his own, who employs huge numbers of people under his dictatorship feels that America's reputation is tarnished and HE'S going to change that.

    Uh huh. Kinda like Bank of America is going to restore America's tarnished reputation in an economic crisis.

  4. John Holden profile image59
    John Holdenposted 6 years ago

    I don't see America as a laughing stock at the moment.
    I would have to change that opinion if Trump were successful in his challenge.

    1. DannyMaio profile image58
      DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Just shows your full of it! Number 1 you don't live here, second why not give him a chance??? you talk out of both sides of your mouth. And I see the BBC over here and many in your country especially your parliament think Obama is a joke!

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well, seeing as how the topic was about how the rest of the world views Obama, I don't see how being a part of the rest of the world disqualifies me from having an opinion.

        I wouldn't take too much notice of our right wing government, not many over here do.

        1. DannyMaio profile image58
          DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          well that is strange because I do a lot of business in the UK and I would honestly say out of the business people I deal with 7 out of 10 think he is bad! Go to canary wharf and do a survey! I would lay 1000-1 I win! I should be there in June or July I will meet you there and we will survey 100 people if you win I will give you $1,000 if I win you just do a hub on how you don't even know your own country, How is that?

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Canary Wharf!! I doubt if you'd find one person there who would have a good word to say about Obama!

            Fortunately, though they hold most of the power, the bankers don't actually dictate how we think.

            1. DannyMaio profile image58
              DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              LMAO now from one person we have everyone in Canary Wharf! OK like I said I'm taking smart business people my friend not the homeless or street punks. real people who work for a living, Intelligent people.

              1. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I'd argue the intelligent but not argue that you have picked on a right wing group of power brokers who are almost duty bound to hate anything that shakes their tiny world.
                Do real people really "earn" bonus's in the millions?

                1. DannyMaio profile image58
                  DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  some do, and taxes get taken out. I would say the average bonus is 250-500k if you produce. 40% right off the top!

                  1. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow, I bet their little arms get tired making that many widgets!

                    What ! I don't believe you, you say they get their money by gambling with our money, no, that can't be true.

                2. Mighty Mom profile image91
                  Mighty Momposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm a real person (yes, Mighty Mom is my given name -- I will bring forth my birth certificate just as soon as Obama produces his long form lol).
                  But anyway, I only WISH real people like me got bonuses of $1 million or more (I would settle for a single mil).
                  We certainly work hard to earn the money we do get.
                  Would love to know where to sign up to get the big bucks.
                  Should I come to Canary Wharf? smile

                  1. DannyMaio profile image58
                    DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    should have went to school of investment banking and if you were skilled enough you would have made big bonuses. never too late mighty

  5. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Exceptional? vs Laughingstock?

    I would say America has been a laughingstock for a good couple hundreds now. lol lol

    What makes it a laughingstock? It's people.

    The amount of willful ignorance and the dumbing down effects by the powers that be is why people are laughingstock material.

    More than half of them couldn't tell you the Pledge of Allegiance.
    More than half of them couldn't tell you about the Constitution.
    More than half of them couldn't be bothered to vote.
    More than half of them couldn't mind their business if paid to do so.
    More than half of them couldn't even understand their own rights.

    And, on top of that- more than 3/4 of them are barely surviving as it is now.

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "I would say America has been a laughingstock for a good couple hundreds now."

      "What makes it a laughingstock? It's people."

      You know of another country that has done so much in so little time?

      The people did that.

      Don't bother responding, its not worth my time.

    2. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The British weren't laughing in the REvolution, nor were they laughing in 1812. The whole of Europe wasn't laughing...TWICE. Cag. I can't believe that you are that unpatriotic. What has made us a laughingstock is the fact that our political sys. rots. Carter? Reagan? Clinton? Bush? x2???
      The fact is, our nation isn't of the people, by the people and for the people and hasn't been for some time, but, I assure you, it isn't a situation that  extends any further back than the world wars.

      1. weholdthesetruths profile image61
        weholdthesetruthsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Cagsil's just a hater.   Anything to insult the things America stands for... You know, like individualism.   American history proves that free people do more, achieve more, and ARE more, if they retain their freedoms.    So, America must be discredited, so that the central planner types (like the ussr) can claw their way back to power and control you for their purposes.

    3. donotfear profile image91
      donotfearposted 6 years ago in reply to this



      Here, here!!

    4. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      CAgs:
      Thumbs up!
      I have to agree with you!
      Our people are "dumbed" down!
      Qwark

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Qwark. wink

  6. wheelinallover profile image82
    wheelinalloverposted 6 years ago

    I for one will vote for anyone who runs against Mr Trump. They say it will take a ruthless businessman to turn this country around, but he is probably one of the worst choices. He has proven more than once that he can't take care of his own money, and now might want to be president of the country which bailed him out.
    It's going to take a statesman to change what other countries think of us not a business man. The people who live here have let people who really don't care run our country for way too long. What ever happened to "We the people". I don't even know if anyone exists in this country who really cares about all the things necessary to turn America into what the people who signed the declaration of independence meant it to be. One nation under God.
    I have noticed for years when I vote its always been for the lesser of two or three evils.

  7. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    DannyMaio,

    I can see how you misunderstood my post as you don't know me and I admit I didn't give enough clues.
    My point was we are all born with certain personality traits and talents. Things we naturally gravitate to.
    Making gobs of money as a banker would not be a natural career choice of me. I'm not wired that way. And having lived through periods where my neighbors lost their jobs on Wall Street (the good times are great, but the bad times are brutal) I know I don't have the stomach for high finance.
    Same with brain surgery. My hand-eye coordination and fine motor skills would make that particular profession pretty much impossible for me.

    I hope that explains it adequately.
    But I will thank you to leave mention of my son and his career aspirations out of it. That is crossing a line you really don't want to cross. Any one of my friends here can tell you why. Or perhaps go read some of my hubs.

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He didn't mention your son.

      1. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Uh yes, he did.
        Not only are you late to the party, you're not even paying attention.

    2. DannyMaio profile image58
      DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mighty I would never say a bad thing about your kid/s  As you stated you could see how I misinterpreted your post. yes I do know! It is extremely stressful and has its good and bad, but like anything if you really put in your time and work hard it pays. All I was saying is was even If I did not think one of my kids would not like a certain career I would not burst their bubble. I would just bring out the points of concern and than it is their choice. This country is (hope it stays that way) the best. plenty of opportunity if your hungry enough.

      1. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I understand your point, Danny.
        America definitely is the land of opportunity.
        I wouldn't go quite so far as to say anyone can do anything they put their mind to.
        Honestly, I could put my mind to becoming a brain surgeon and it would be a waste of time. That is just not my calling.
        Left brained/right brained dichotomy...

        All work has value. I strongly believe if you have an aptitude and passion in a certain direction and can make money at it, go for it.

        1. DannyMaio profile image58
          DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          that is pretty much what I was trying to say, and obviously you would have to want to be a brain surgeon first. I couldn't I would feel bad for many people.

  8. Moderndayslave profile image61
    Moderndayslaveposted 6 years ago

    When it when it went from "By the people for the people" to for the corporation by the corporation. The "Hanging chad",two planes three buildings, two holes, no wreckage or bodies and security tapes vanish. WMD,s ,oops we couln't find any. Underground cities in caves in Afghanistan, "Mission Accomplished".The banksters and Wall Street crashed the world economy and then we cave them more money to play with and reward themselves.Our politicians are bought from day one and for "The President",we could put a Mr.Bill up behind that podium and this country wouldn't miss a beat.Why?, he's not running anything he's just the spokesman for whoever is doing this to us. Who the hell in their right mind would want that job.They all seem to be "Taken Care of" when they leave but look at what they have to live with. Don't bad mouth any of the politicians for their stupid decisions either.   http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley

  9. John Holden profile image59
    John Holdenposted 6 years ago

    The UK is going broke because of global recession and US founded wars, not because of any socialist leanings.

    Rather than post a mass of copy and paste, why don't you tell me in your own words why it is a proven fact that socialism can not work?

    I did actually read all your copy and paste, did you?

    I've no time for anybody who thinks that Nazis were socialists, it shows a lack of research and understanding. Probably a fair bit of prejudice as well.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well said. But, I would add that Tony Blair was all for the war on terrorism, and, it is a fact that British colonial attitudes and their undying support of the U.S. was contributory to the present situation. After all, their cooperation in the founding of the modern state of Israel can't be denied, and further, that the Palestinian situation has been one of the main points of the present unrest.

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        All sound criticism but none of it anything to do with socialism.

  10. John Holden profile image59
    John Holdenposted 6 years ago

    You know Danny, I think it's hilarious how you keep telling me that I'm not American and therefore have no right to criticise the US but when you seek anybody to support your twisted view of the world you pick out Americans, not natives of the country that you wish to criticise.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Some people's kids! I admit that American foreign policy is at the crux of the matter. On the American side, though, Obama is viewed by many as almost groveling. We detest that attitude, and I think I speak for the majority of citizens when I say that.

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I can see how that rankles, but most of the rest of the world likes a president who doesn't treat the rest of the world as the 51st state of the US.

        1. DTR0005 profile image81
          DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well that is the paradox of American conservatism John. If you are viewed "favorably" by the rest of the world, in the minds of many conservatives, you are "weak" or conciliatory; you are jeopardizing American sovereignty. If you considered as a "bully" on the international block, then you are "upholding American values," America's place in the world.
          I believe that is likely the most fundamental difference between conservative and liberal thinking - at least on the stage of foreign policy.

          1. proudlib profile image60
            proudlibposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Right on.  It is amazing that those who think that Almerica should never try to be liked by the rest of the world are now saying that we should listen to those in other countries who think we are a laughingstock.  I wonder if these are the same people who said that Saddam Hussein was crazy and we couldn't believe anything he said.  But when he said he had WMD we should believe him.  When Obama tried to undo the damage Bush did to our reputation, he was accused of anti-Americanism.  Now he is accused of damaging our reputation.  If we are such a laughingstock why is it that other countries follow our lead and ask for our help when they are faced with natural or political disaster?

  11. prettydarkhorse profile image62
    prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago

    Exceptional no, just unique. Laughingstock, yes if he runs and win!

  12. profile image0
    Home Girlposted 6 years ago

    I grew up in a socialist country. We had to hate Ameriaca, it was our policy. We were supposed to hate it and to be scared of it. One day it may come and destroy our "socialist freedom". It was government policy. Of course in reality no one hated it. People admired and envied its prosperity, richness, openness, its freedom, freedom to live your life the way you can. To be rich if you can, to be poor if you cannot be rich, but be you. A person, a human being with dignity and your unique qualities. And everybody who somehow could run away, tried to run away to America. Remember, guys, that after World War II, you, Americans enjoyed your freedom, you were building more and more of everything, but Europe was in ruins. They had to build, rebuild everything from scratch. People had to be frugal, to live modestly, to starve even. I remember my mom told how happy she was when my dad managed to buy a piece of material so she could make a dress for herself. You in America never knew that. So now you cannot be that rich, so what? Learn to live with less.  Build roads where you can walk not drive only. I am sure Obama does his best, he is not stupid. And if you do not like him so much, you'll elect somebody else in 4-5 years. It's not like you have to live under his ruling until he dies. Love your country and do not blame your people. They are too used to a good worry free life, to have plenty of everything. May be they should starve a little? Speeds your metabolism, you'll start think faster big_smile.

    1. proudlib profile image60
      proudlibposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you so much for such a refreshing and heartfelt perspective.

 
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