Could Your Shotgun Soon be Outlawed? Maybe, If the ATF Has Its Way

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  1. OLYHOOCH profile image61
    OLYHOOCHposted 7 years ago

    What’s the definition of a “shotgun?” According to Dictionary.com it’s “a smoothbore gun for firing small shot to kill birds and small quadrupeds, though often used with buckshot to kill larger animals.” For the gun enthusiasts, that’s only partly true, as there is also the option of using slugs. But what if there’s another addition that will soon be added to the definition? How about, illegal.



    In a series of fascinating, and eerie, posts over at the blog Beregond’s Bar (and linked on Redstate.com), author “Tom” pens a four-part series on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and their new campaign to change the definition of the term “shotgun.” A change, based on a recent study,* that could soon make some of them illegal. But as Tom points out, the implications for all guns are chilling.



    Below are excerpts from the series. Click on the appropriate link to read more.

    Part 1, which focuses on changing the term “sporting use” in order to ban certain shotguns:

    The Obama administration is seeking once again to do via regulation what they would never be able to do via legislation. This time shotguns are in the crosshairs, specifically certain popular imported weapons.

    [...]

    Sporting use is one of the three main thrusts of gun control efforts in America. The other two are racism and  those who openly advocate complete bans except for military and police. (The complete ban advocates often hide under cover of sporting use, but that and the racist history of gun control are topics for another day.


    Sporting use was how the original distinction was made about what weapons would be subject to a special tax in the National Firearms Act (NFA) in 1934, and again in Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968.  The congressional power to tax was used selectively to make ownership of weapons the government didn’t like burdensome and expensive. This was gun control via the back door, as even the ATF admits. As would become the pattern, politicians found that actually dealing with crime and criminals was difficult and expensive. Blaming guns and passing a law to look like they were doing something about it was much simpler.

    Part 2, which notes that the administration and the ATF’s definition of “sporting use” includes a list of things that cannot apply to such use. Things that are common in hunting and self-defense:

    In this case the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) is seeking to master the definition of the term “sporting use” to “traditional” sports, things similar to what might have been found in 1934 when the Treasury Department first began regulating firearms. The ATF “Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns” (PDF) limits “sporting purpose.”

    However, consistent with past court decisions and Congressional intent, the working group recognized hunting and other more generally recognized or formalized competitive events similar to the traditional shooting sports of trap, skeet, and clays.

    In order to decide what shotguns fit the “sporting purpose” definition the study comes up with a list of characteristics that aren’t sporting. Nobody has yet taken to bayoneting deer or skeet as far as I know, so I’m not going to raise a big stink about bayonet lugs being on the list of features that aren’t particularly suited for sporting purposes. (Please stop shouting that the Constitution of the United States says nothing about “sporting purpose.” We’ll look at why the “sporting purpose” rule violates the constitution in Part 3.)

    One major problem (aside from the constitution) is that many of the features the ATF study group settled on make a shotgun particularly useful for self defense, especially home defense. Here are the characteristics that the study has decided are unsuitable for sporting use:

    (1) Folding, telescoping, or collapsible stocks;

    (2) bayonet lugs;

    (3) flash suppressors;

    (4) magazines over 5 rounds, or a drum magazine;

    (5) grenade-launcher mounts;

    (6) integrated rail systems (other than on top of the receiver or barrel);

    (7) light enhancing devices;

    (8) excessive weight (greater than 10 pounds for 12 gauge or smaller);

    (9) excessive bulk (greater than 3 inches in width and/or greater than 4 inches in depth);

    (10) forward pistol grips or other protruding parts designed or used for gripping the shotgun with the shooter’s extended hand.

    Some of these features, such as folding stocks and larger capacity magazines clearly are useful in sports if you include practical shooting sports.

    Part 3, which looks at how “sporting use” stacks up to the Constitution and how it came into use:

    But there is a far more basic objection that must be raised to this new attempt at regulatory gun ban- Nowhere in the constitution of the United States is there anything about a “sporting purpose.” The second amendment says:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Like all rights of Americans, the rights exist because you are a person. The Constitution is a contract we have with the central government to protect those rights against all enemies, foreign and domestic. One of the enumerated rights is the right to keep and bear arms. Nary a “sporting purpose” in sight in the entire document. So where did it come from?

    And finally, Part 4, which shows that the ATF’s “sporting use” definition puts all guns, not just certain shotguns, at risk of being outlawed:

    One factor that jumps out from the current ATF study is that it differs from the Clinton gun ban in a critical way. The Clinton ban looked at guns and said if it could accept a high capacity magazine and had any 2 other characteristics then it was banned. Thus you could have a magazine and a pistol grip, or a magazine and night sights, and still be legal. Few people missed having a bayonet lug, and grenade launchers and grenades had essentially been banned from civilian hands since the NFA became law in 1934.  The current study says that any ONE item on a list, including a magazine that holds more than five rounds or a place to attach a flashlight so you can see the burglar in your home, and the gun is banned.

    So the problem doesn’t end with shotguns. The current study refers to the conclusions drawn in prior ATF studies of rifles in 1989 and 1998, and handguns in 1968. It also draws on the NFA and the GCA (Gun Control Act of 1968) to justify the “sporting purpose” test, and the narrow interpretation that the ATF places on the test. The justifications are all linked together, like a knitted sweater. Pull on the piece of yarn called “imported shotguns” and you find when it’s unraveled enough that you’re tugging on the “domestic shotguns” yarn. Only now the “imported rifle” bit of yarn is hanging loose, just begging for someone to tug on it. Unravel that a bit and you reach “domestic rifles.” A similar bit of unraveling is likely to happen with the piece of yarn labelled “handgun.”

    Each piece is well worth the time it takes to read it. Meanwhile, the ATF is taking comments on its study. Tom lets you know how here.

    But here’s the catch: in order to let the ATF know what you think, you have to give it your mailing address.

    Interesting.



    *According to Tom, the study “spends a lot of time showing that hunting, trap and skeet, and target shooting are sports, but plinking and practical shooting sports are not REALLY sports, and therefore guns that are particularly suitable for, or readily adaptable to those sports shouldn’t be allowed into the country.

    UPDATE:

    Jack Minor of the Greeley Gazette covered the ATF’s study, too. He puts in terms of “military”-style shotguns vs. others. But, he notes, according to the specifications used, “military” could apply to so many shotguns:

    The ATF completed a study regarding the importability of certain shotguns. The basis for a possible ban is based on a loosely defined “Sporting Purpose” test. Using the vague definition almost all pump-action and semi-automatic shotguns could be banned as they are all capable of accepting a magazine, box or tube capable of holding more than 5 rounds. Other characteristics determined to be “military” by the ATF can also be used as a basis for a ban.

    Ironically, many shotguns with “military” features are currently being used in shooting competitions held by the USPSA, IDPA and IPSC. The rules could also result in obscure regulations where an individual would be unsure if he is violating them or not.

    Dudley Brown, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, said if the ATF succeeds with the banning of tactical shotguns it “will be the most dangerous interpretation of the 1968 Gun Control Act ever envisioned and will outlaw thousands of perfectly legitimate home defense shotguns.”

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    1. manlypoetryman profile image76
      manlypoetrymanposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      grenade launcher mounts? Damn...just like the government to take all the fun away..on everything. Big Meanies!

  2. lovemychris profile image68
    lovemychrisposted 7 years ago

    Don't worry your little head...NO ONE is as powerful as the NRA lobby...
    Only 2 that rival it are the AARP and AIPAC.

    Guns aren't going anywhere...of any variety.
    Even the Assault rifle/military-style 30 clip double barrell, no need even in war-time bazookas.

    Do not fear..YOUR rights are preserved in stone. They're religiously sanctioned.

  3. Ralph Deeds profile image65
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    In Texas they start "packing" in kindergarten.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/us/20 … amp;st=cse

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image65
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      In Michigan also--

      HIGHLAND TOWNSHIP

      A 12-year-old girl accused of taking a loaded handgun to Country Lake Food Center in Highland Township and demanding money will face armed robbery charges as a juvenile, said Paul Walton, chief assistant prosecutor with the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office. The girl was in front of a referee Saturday and will appear before the juvenile court, he said.

      Three employees were working inside the store when the girl came in Friday night wearing a black bandanna over her face. An employee recognized her. The workers were able to get the gun away her, police said. Nobody was injured.

      Police said the girl stole the gun from her neighbor's home. Prosecutors are reviewing the home invasion case.

      Rev. Terry Jones's pistol discharges accidentally in Detroit TV station parking lot--
      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/22/ko … v-station/

  4. dingdondingdon profile image56
    dingdondingdonposted 7 years ago

    I hate guns. I'd be happy to see them completely outlawed.

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image75
      Evan G Rogersposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I know where I'm robbing tonight!

      (Disclaimer: if you actually get robbed tonight, it wasn't actually me. I have no idea where you live. Although, i bet i could find out if I cared enough. I do not care enough.)

  5. recommend1 profile image69
    recommend1posted 7 years ago

    Why would anyobody want to ban those nice Mitsubishi off-road cars ?  who is this ATF then ?  Alternative Transport Fu@#wits or something ?

  6. Greek One profile image76
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    oh no!!!

    Oly will lose his gun!

    Can American democracy survive after that!?!?!?!?

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  BLAM!!!  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BLAM!!

  7. skeeter747 profile image61
    skeeter747posted 7 years ago

    You may think things are bad now , but wait let them take away GUNs and see what will happen.. People are not going to stand for that!

  8. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    Among the weakest arguments against reasonable gun laws is that of the "slippery slope". 

    As a practical and legal manner, guns will never be outlawed.  Reasonable people do not want 6 year olds carrying assault weapons to school.

    Many NRA leaders do not fit the definition of reasonable people.

 
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