Should an Independent or a Democrat take office in 2012?

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  1. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
    Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years ago

    Mr. Obama, or Mr. 'bombs-away' bra-wearing Barack - a.k.a 'el presidente or capo, and/or head honcho, has ruined our country by continuing needlessly on w/ G.W.Bush's b.s...  The Administration took its oath in office and placed more of our soldiers in harms way with the approval of both sides of Congress.  Healthcare was also never addressed.  Am I right?  Who deserves a new presidency in 2012, and what will i choose to need or want as a citizen?

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image74
      Evan G Rogersposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      If you think that Obama failed you (which he has), and you think that Republicans are the same crap as the Democrats, then check out Ron Paul.

      He's for:
      Immediately ending all the wars
      Cutting spending AND lowering taxes (he has a 20+ year record to support these claims)
      Legalizing drugs
      NOT torturing people
      Bringing the troops home from all over the globe
      ending corporate bailouts (once again, a voting record to back it up)
      and countless other "kooky" ideas that the public loves to hear.

      1. TMMason profile image67
        TMMasonposted 7 years agoin reply to this
        1. Evan G Rogers profile image74
          Evan G Rogersposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          The message of liberty appeals to all groups and all people. Just because a Nazi likes Paul doesn't mean that Paul's a Nazi.

          If X likes Y, that does not mean that Y likes X. Got that?

          Ron Paul, in 2008, got more donations than any other candidate from the military.

          Sorry that he's actually threatening the status quo, of which you're a fan.

          Quick! TMM!! I just saw a Muslim!! Get him before he gets "US".

          1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
            Jeff Berndtposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, don't start using logic, Evan. He'll just start accusing you of being a "leant leftist" (sic).

  2. Stevennix2001 profile image90
    Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago

    I vote for Alred E. Nuemann from mad magazine. tongue lol

    1. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
      Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'm following your crazy posts, so don't do me wrong like Obama, got it?  smile

      1. Stevennix2001 profile image90
        Stevennix2001posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I'll try. tongue

  3. dutchman1951 profile image60
    dutchman1951posted 7 years ago

    the problems we face are deep and many. So far no one has even an inkling they have a plan to try. They are all pointing in a circle. not sure any new candidate would have answers at all.

    1. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
      Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Candidates don't have answers, people do.  The problem is most president's forget that the people have a voice that needs to be heard.  Mr. Obama is hearing G.W.'s old voice, which was listening to Clinton's, which had tried to listen to the senior G.W.'s voice.  The truth is, we are under the impression that people are naive and stupid, so by this rationale our election system was created by naive people anyway.  At the tippity-top of the naive totem pole is our president, which is unfortunate.

      I was reminded today (by Jon Stewart) that if you are a Democrat, it's very important to note that Al Gore had won the popular election (most of America had wanted him), yet the presidency went to another candidate.  Who's makes the calls?  Who calls the shots?  Who are we shooting for buying the next round in 2012, because I'm tired of paying!  If Obama gets another term, I'm moving to Panama City!

      1. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
        Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        *presidents

  4. dutchman1951 profile image60
    dutchman1951posted 7 years ago

    I am not in favor of Obama either, was trying to say any candidate right now faces insurmountable trouble. No magic wand.

    We, people, have never had a say!  Except to Vote.  The Party platforms have already been set by that time, for both parties. Those are the Goals we suposidly want? Like you I say when the H... did we ever come up with or want them.

    ex-pat is looking beter all the time now, yes.

    1. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
      Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's funny- why are there only two parties (and a shifty third) anyways?  It goes back to J.F.K. and Nixon, to my recollection.

      1. dutchman1951 profile image60
        dutchman1951posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I think thats correct, JFK forward I believe.

  5. dutchman1951 profile image60
    dutchman1951posted 7 years ago

    The TEA party seems to me to be an attempt at resurecting the John Burch society with a modern softer twist. no good.

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
      Jeff Berndtposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Softer? Okay. But other than that, you're totally right. The Tea Party may have started out as a good thing, but it's been co-opted, and distracted. Now it's just a bunch of angry footsoldiers for the corporatists.

  6. TMMason profile image67
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    The tea party encompusses people from the independents to the strict conservatives. They are a mix of all those who are fleeing the Socialist Deomcrat agenda.

    There are only two parties an they recognize that one of those parties has to be re-claimed, so they are trying to take back the Republican party from the Progressives. Who are no different then the Democrat Socialists, only slower in their implimentation of the aganda.

  7. Paul Wingert profile image76
    Paul Wingertposted 7 years ago

    The tea baggers are a bunch of clueless cry babies. They idolize Palin so that should some it up right there. Anything but a Republican. Tax breaks and repealing Obamacare seems to be their goal. No one has a plan to modify or replace Obamacare. Even before it was passed, Obama asked if anyone has a better solution. No one stepped up to the plate. All they did was bitch about it when it was passed. I admit, it needs modifications. Repealing it will get us right back to the same ole B.S. situation where we started from. Reducing taxes and passing out tax breaks like candy (especailly for the rich) isn't going to solve anything. It's just a quick way to get approval ratings for a short time. Where's the money suppose to come from? Some think by borrowing more money from China or reduce spending is the answer. Reduce spending on stuff we all want. Typical American way, we want and want but no one want to pay for it!

    1. Reality Bytes profile image81
      Reality Bytesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes he did ask and then stuck his fingers in his ears and shouted LaLaLaLaLaLa when they tried to offer suggestions.

      http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_9QhdkW9ioVkCX5gK3NYkZbL94icuFynytgtxAwfAYK9AHIT40g

  8. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
    Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years ago

    A politician represents a 'look' of American politics, and does not encompass the legislature itself at all.  Even Mr. Obama's character was a horrible choice on the whole.

    1. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
      Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      ...dutchman1951, Reality Bytes and Paul Wingert you guys are great for discussing this with me.  Mr. Obama will (hopefully) go down in history as one of America's laziest and most worthless president's endangering the well-being of the Democratic Party by which I am a part of.  Maybe if one of us runs for the Democratic candidacy we can work together on HubPages.com and create a cabinet of worthwhile executives and professionals!  It seems we're more sensible being a mixed group of nobodys than a supposedly 'talented' group of idiots!

      Thanks guys!

  9. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
    Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years ago

    *presidents

  10. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
    Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years ago

    The Tea Part seems to be the party most often used as the example for modern reformations as wel.

  11. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
    Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years ago

    *well

  12. TMMason profile image67
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    The tea party are just a abunch of folks who work every day and come home and have to deal with being screwed by their Govt and big corperations. And they are tired of it, as is most of America. Tired of them all and the Socialist/Progressive big govt bailout and tax us agenda, which is bleeding us dry.

  13. Johnathan L Groom profile image32
    Johnathan L Groomposted 7 years ago

    We have been bled dry... the facts are that the U.S. debt is overwhelming.

 
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