This is an Arab spring.

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   Onusonusposted 13 years ago

   
   
   I find it odd that our president would characterize the changes being made in Egypt as a moderate Arab Spring.
   
   The sign with the swastika reads, "The gas chambers are ready."

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Islam... the religion of peace and tolerance.
      
      What a joke!
      
      The fact is America and Obama are placing the Muslim brotherhood into power all over the middle East. And the world will pay a heavy toll for it in blood and war.

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         Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The Muslim Brotherhood has duped several factions of our society into thinking that they are a peaceful group of activists despite the hateful rhetoric that they spew out.

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         Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         We've been over there murdering them for 50+ years.
         
         I'd be pissed off if they were doing that to my family.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   There are extremists among every group... 
   
   Western anti-Semitism has played a role, no doubt...
   
   The revolts in Egypt have far more to do with the skyrocketing price of food....even the basics, like bread... 
   
   When the masses are hungry discontent ferments, and regimes topple...
   
   I was watching a video a few months back taken in New York City... A guy with a camera walked the streets and asked people about Zionism and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion...  There are quite a few Americans who would hold up the same signs that the people in this picture you shared are...  I was raised in such an atmosphere...and I am glad that I was intelligent enough to see through the smokescreen...even though the adults (including my parents) around me couldn't...

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      Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The difference between your upbringing and this type of hatred is that it is the norm of their society. Anti Semitic movements are looked down on in America, whereas in Muslim countries it is deemed as the outcry of an oppressed people. Truly pathetic.

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Rising food prices in Egypt were, indeed, the the match but the fuse was wound and the explosives set a long time ago by the Brotherhood.  When things finally settle in Egypt the sad reality will be shared power between the Army and the Brotherhood.  Egypt had been one of the most open and secular Egyptian countries for centuries but the rise of the Brotherhood, starting in 1928, has changed that.
      
      As for "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," it has found its way into every Jew killing society since its use by the Okhrana(Tsarist secret police) as a justification for persecuting Jews.  Henry Ford saw validity in it, published an American edition and based his Anti-semitic book on it.  Its greatest believer, after the Russians, was the Nazis.
      
      The modern believers in it are almost exclusively hate groups in the West but also many Muslim Leaders.  Especially troubling is the continued references by Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Hamas. 
      
      Today Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Muslims can actually vote freely, in a free election, where votes can actually change the government.  Yet, liberals continue to attack Israel.  But so do Muslim extremists, like the real oppressor of Muslims, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
      
      http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east … l-1.380629

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   What are you talking about....it was definitely the norm in my society... And anti-semitism is a huge part of American history...  I inherited the library of my grandfather and great-grandfather...I have countless books and pamphlets from the height of the Cold War demagoguing Jews and Zionists (they are not necessarily the same thing)...  I have quite a bit of material predating the NAZI regime...so there are no swatstikas or references to gas chambers....but the messages found within these documents speak volumes...  All of this was communicated under the guise of Christianity....with the Jews out to destroy the "last Christian nation on earth"...the U.S.... 
   
   This was the norm I grew up with... It may not have been yours....but you don't define what overall norms actually are...  I was reading the Protocols of Zion before I was graduated from elementary school...
   
   I met people through my public school education who also hated the "Zionists" and Jews...  It is far more common than you are attempting to imply....
   
   Islam, as a whole, has a far better track record of tolerance towards Jews than Western Christians....
   
   What you are saying is not true...

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      Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am saying that it is looked down on in America for the most part. Antisemitism in America has been part of a small subculture in our country. America's past antisemitism pales in comparison.
      
      "According to an Anti-Defamation League survey, 14 percent of U.S. residents had antisemitic views. The 2005 survey found that "35 percent of foreign-born Hispanics" and "36 percent of African-Americans hold strong antisemitic beliefs, four times more than the 9 percent for whites."
      
      "In a 2011 survey by the Pew Research Center, all of the Muslim-majority Middle Eastern countries polled held strongly negative views of Jews. In the questionnaire, only 2 percent of Egyptians, 3 percent of Lebanese Muslims, and 2 percent of Jordanians reported having a positive view of Jews. Muslim-majority countries outside the Middle East held similarly negative views, with 4 percent of Turks and 9 percent of Indonesians viewing Jews favorably." Wikipedia article on antisemitism.
      
      So just a recap; 14% of Americans had antisemitic views, whereas only 2 to 4% of Muslim countries have anything positive to say about Jews.
      So what I am saying is in fact the truth.

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That is blatently false.

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         Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         mikelong wrote:
         
             Islam, as a whole, has a far better track record of tolerance towards Jews than Western Christians....
         
         Mason wrote...
         
         That is blatently false.
         
         (psst.. TM.. exnay on the comparrisonay re the Jewsnay... remember the Holocaustnay)

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            TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oh I remember the holocaust Greek. Damn Socialist killed a whole bunch of them jews on that one.
            
            And we know ole "Uncle Joe" Stalin, FDR and the American Lefts hero, slaughtered a couple tens of millions of them also. But I still believe Islam to have slaughtered more... half the atrocities of Isalm against the Jews and this world have been hidden by the left and the Muslumps, so as to convince the world Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.
            
            Islam was, is, and has been, slaughtering Jews with the best of them for centuries now. Shit... they do not even hide their hatred and true intent toward the jews and israel, as proven by the pic below.
            
            
            
            
            islam is not shy about admiting thier desire to slaughter Jews.... but the American and European leftists and Progressives cannot seem to grasp it. Islam is an abomination and should be outlawed world-wide as hate speech.

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   lady_love158posted 13 years ago

   
   
   
   Yes more images of the Arab spring! Thanks president Obama!

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      Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What shitty war propaganda is this?
      
      I've lost all respect for Time Magazine in the past few months.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   Oh no...not the polling data...
   
   This all depends on who is asked, when, and where...
   
   I have seen statistics that speak otherwise, and that also show that anti-semitism is increasing here in the United States...
   
   Perhaps you were fortunate to not have an antisemetic family and church upbringing...  But I was different...  I have seen the hate first hand, and was even briefly drawn in to their thinking...  I am glad to have found my way out...but it meant challenging everyone around me and breaking ties with church and many family members...
   
   I have changed...but I know many who haven't...  It is because I know that these people exist here in our midst that I make my statements.... These are not KKK members, these are not Muslim extremists...these are folks who see themselves as normal Americans and God Fearing Christians...
   
   They may not correspond to most Americans, but there are enough (and growing numbers) of them to make this an important issue...  I know too many Muslims who are directly opposed to the idea you are presenting about them (as a whole) to agree with your assertions...

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      Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I guess ideological subversion wins again. You have the numbers and refuse to believe the truth.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   No....it isn't...
   
   Something else, aside from Columbus "discovering America" happened in 1492....what was it Mason?

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The expulsion of the jews from Spain, Mike.
      
      One country's mis-treatment of a people, does not prove that another people didn't mis-treat and abuse a people just as badly or even worse.
      
      The mythic "Golden Age" of Islam and the Jews never existed.
      
      Nice PR though.
      
      Appearently you think this is a History exam or something.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   So, after a multi-ethnic, multi-religous state in Spain was created under the leadership of both Muslim and Christian rulers, a "Christian-only" response came that not only drove out, or forced conversions, of Muslims, but also of Jews...
   
   Jews did not come from Spain, but they came there with Muslims, and helped create the urban-global-reaching communities there...
   
   And when the Christians kicked out the Jews....who took them in?
   
   How did their new rulers treat them?
   
   (I'm just getting started Mason....if you know your history you will realize that I have much more to say... Then again, if your knowledge of history is as good as your McCarthy history, I can see why you stumble from pillar to post)

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      So your claiming that the Muslims moved into Spain peacably and were voted into rule?
      
      Yeah right. I think you are the one in need of a history lesson.
      
      It is so nice how everyone forgets the 450 years of Islamic aggression which swept the world. And what? Spain had no right to throw them out after they came? Okay. Sure.
      
      You should look up and study on "Dhimmitude" in Islam. But I would imagine 2nd class citizenship... if you could even call it that.. is okay, huh?

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   Were Jews moved forcibly into Spain by Muslims?  Is that what I wrote?
   
   Did I write somewhere that democracy existed in the 15th century?
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age … e_in_Spain
   
   I point to wiki here due to time constraints....but I have far better sources... Wiki does a very good job, though...they are nothing like they used to be.  The sources cited at the end of this article are quite good...
   
   
   What happened after the "reconquista" (a false term, for those who came to populate the Iberian penninsula afterward had never lived there before...nor had their ancestors...it was therefore just conquest)?
   
   Though Muslims were the "dreaded enemy" (even though this history of Andalus bears this out to be very different), Jews were targeted just the same...forced to convert to Catholocism or driven out....
   
   Who took them in?  How were they treated by this new state?  Did they fair better or worse than they would have in Europe?
   
   I know very well what dhimmi is....not only have I focused my own collegiate research on this, but my own family lived within the same Ottoman Empire that these Jews did...
   
   We can always expand this conversation to include the role Christian missionaries played in destroying the internal Ottoman state...a topic I have spent even more time focused on... 
   
   Second class citizenship, in the case of Jewish, Armenian Orthodox, and Greek Orthodox millets, made them very wealthy and powerful...
   
   Your words show me that you don't know much about the topic we are discussing...
   
   Think Mason, think...  Don't let McCarthy spoil your mind...

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I do not need your wiki-history lessons, bro.
      
      And the fact that you would spout wiki as an authority exemplifies perfectly your lack of understanding of this history. You leave out quite a bit about Islam's militancy while you spout about good things they have done for all under their rule. And their oppression by pthers which you seem to think justifies their own acts of violence and aggression.
      
      Dhimmitude was not a great thing Mike, and to think it was is idiocy. Also you leave out the many institutions created by the ottomans to enslave and convert the populaces of those lands they held, look at the Devshirme and the greeks, the blood tithe and the Jannessary Corp.
      
      But hey the Ottomans were a great ruler to thier subjects. What a joke.
      
      And there was violence in the middle East between Jews, Christians and muslims for a long long time before the western powers got involved. And to think it all just started at that point in history disregards the entire history of Islam in the Middle East. Just as you ignore the 450 years of Islamic conquest that brought Islam into Spain, and to the gate of Europe. just ignore it... like it never happened. You act and sound just like any other generic apologist.
      
      Have you ever met a militant group you did not feel bound to defend and try to term as great rulers and good people?
      
      La Raza... Islam... who else do you want to defend and blame all their actions on the white europeans? Who else Mike? Or should I just consider all groups thought of as terrorists, as freedom fighters against western oppression... probrably.
      
      @Evan... yes Evan the Liberal Left and Progressives have gone around the world for a hundred years nation-building and slaughtering any in thier way. I keep telling you the Liberal Progressive agenda is evil... one day you will listen.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   No....I just don't believe your version of the truth...

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    Let's talk about the creation of Lebanon, and its correlation to violence between Jews and Arab Muslims (as opposed to Arab Christians...many people forget, or choose to leave out this population)...
    
    The realigning of the Middle East vis a vis the Sykes-Picot Agreement represents nothing more than Europeans arriving and dividing/sectioning off the natives....giving to some favors and benefits (those who support their "Western" objectives)...
    
    Shall we discuss the creation of the Kingdoms of Iraq and Syria, and the nations of Israel and Lebanon?

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    Reality Bytesposted 13 years ago

    Who is in control of Qaddafis WMDs at this moment?
    
    Does anyone know?  NSA?

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       uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Ask a liberal, when they focus on WMDs they disappear, even when they are real.  The WMDs that were found in Iraq were troubling to anyone objective enough to think, but quickly became insubstantial when liberals focused on them.

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          Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          If they end up being sold to the highest bidder we may find them when we least expect it!

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    Leave it to McCarthy's reincarnate to continue the nonsense stream...
    
    The only thing he can try to do is degrade wikipedia, a very weak, blatant dodge of everything else I wrote (which he obviously didn't read)...
    
    One can be braindead while still having life pulse...Mason is a clear example of this..
    
    I feel for ya "bro"....

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