I agree with Ben Carson, no muslims as president.

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  1. colorfulone profile image77
    colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

    IT WAS OBAMA who on ABC News referenced - "My Muslim faith."
    IT WAS OBAMA who gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to re-build foreign mosques.
    IT WAS OBAMA who wrote that in the event of a conflict -"I will stand with the Muslims."
    IT WAS OBAMA who assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that - "I am a Muslim."
    IT WAS OBAMA who bowed in submission before the Saudi King.
    IT WAS OBAMA who sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church condemning Christianity and professing Marxism.
    IT WAS OBAMA who exempted Muslims from penalties under Obamacare that the rest of us have to pay.
    IT WAS OBAMA who purposefully omitted - "endowed by our Creator" - from your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence.
    IT WAS OBAMA who mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ's Sermon On The Mount while repeatedly referring to the 'HOLY' Quran.
    IT WAS OBAMA who traveled the Islamic world denigrating the United States Of America.
    IT WAS OBAMA who instantly threw the support of your administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center.
    IT WAS OBAMA who refused to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the WH.
    IT WAS OBAMA who ordered Georgetown Univ. and Notre Dame to shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested that the mosques you have visited adjust their decor.
    IT WAS OBAMA who appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar Corps.
    IT WAS OBAMA who appointed rabid Islamists to Homeland Security.
    IT WAS OBAMA who said that NASA's "foremost mission" was an outreach to Muslim communities.
    IT WAS OBAMA who as an Illinois Senator was the ONLY individual who would speak in favor of infanticide.
    IT WAS OBAMA who were the first President not to give a Christmas Greeting from the WH, and went so far as to hang photos of Chairman Mao on the WH tree.
    IT WAS OBAMA who curtailed the military tribunals of all Islamic terrorists.
    IT WAS OBAMA who refused to condemn the Ft. Hood killer as an Islamic terrorist.
    IT WAS OBAMA who has refused to speak-out concerning the horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights abuses.
    IT WAS OBAMA who when queried in India refused to acknowledge the true extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic terrorists assaults.
    IT WAS OBAMA who funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars to Hamas.
    IT WAS OBAMA who ordered the USPS to honor the MUSLIM holiday with a new commemorative stamp.
    IT WAS OBAMA who directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to help "empower" the British Muslim community.
    IT WAS OBAMA who embraced the fanatical Muslim Brotherhood in your quest to overthrow the Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak.
    IT WAS OBAMA who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country.
    IT WAS OBAMA who follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any form of jewelry during Ramadan.
    IT WAS OBAMA who departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal WH religious events.
    IT WAS OBAMA who was uncharacteristically quick to join the chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, formerly America's strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians.
    IT WAS OBAMA who appointed your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett, an Iranian, who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood

    The list is much longer then this...it just goes on and on my friends.

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    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, he is a Muslim… Is he an extremist? His middle name is Hussein. First the towers came down, then we killed Saddam, then we killed Bin Laden, then perhas a muslim extremist snuck into our very White House…
        what next?
          what next?

      and when will we get a clue?

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      1. psycheskinner profile image83
        psycheskinnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Here's a clue, what your parents name you does not determine your religion. He's about as extreme as any Hampton's holidaying WASP because he was raised by them from infancy. And his every action in the area of personal faith has been Christian.

        Off course in my perfect world only people like me (atheists) would run the country.  But that is not how democracy works.

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        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          It doesn't matter if he is Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Atheist. If he is part of a movement to destroy this country from within, he is not where he should be
          at all.
          That we have not impeached him yet is further evidence of a stealthy war against America by unknown forces of which he might be part of, if you ask me.
          But then, I am the paranoid type.

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          1. Barbara Kay profile image74
            Barbara Kayposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I agree. You are being paranoid. Tell us what he has done to destroy the country.

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            1. Learn Things Web profile image91
              Learn Things Webposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You can never argue with delusional and paranoid people. In response to your question, you'll get a long list of imagined things Obama's done to damage the country. I was raised by a mom who suffered from severe paranoia. It was impossible to convince her that the things she believed were imagined rather than real.

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            2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Some don't mind:


              Increasing regulations preventing a percolating economy.
              Dismantling welfare reform.
              Shutting down oil reserves on public land.
              Shutting down successful coal production.
              Shutting down natural gas production for the sake of "global warming."
              Implementing Health Insurance mandates /affecting health of businesses.
              Printing money / lowering worth of the dollar / borrowing money from China.
              Raising minimum wage / increasing prices across the board.
              Allowing illegal aliens to get health care.
              Allowing illegal aliens to vote through drivers licenses.
              Losing the support of allies throughout the world.
              Diminishing the military to make the budget to look better.
              Causing America to be unable to lead in matters of foreign affairs.
              Allowing Syrians and potential terrorists into the country.
              Giving Iran, who is in cahoots with Russia, 160 billion in frozen assets to build nuclear weapons.
              No border control / allowing Mexican illegals, Middle Eastern terrorists and drugs to flow in.

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              1. Misfit Chick profile image74
                Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Okay, some of those could be considered incriminating depending on the point of view you are looking at it from. You have a way of twisting things so that 'just the bad' part is showing. I couldn't possibly address every one of these. You love Rush Limbaugh, that is all I can imagine, ha!

                For instance, 'increasing regulations' (healthcare was a big part of those 'increasing regulations') MAY have prevented a percolating economy; but dang were they not NECESSARY because industries and companies simply CANNOT be trusted to regulate themselves - and yet somehow, corporations are people.

                You sound like you are FOR the idea of corporations being people with all the 'shutting down of heavy industry' because of 'global warming'. Gosh DANG, people are MAD for wanting to protect their environment, aren't they?!!

                Dismantling welfare reform? I'm pretty sure we REFORMED it, LoL! Perhaps it didn't get reformed in the way you wanted it to. (Plus, I don't think we're done reforming it, yet.)

                Implementing health insurance mandates... I know, taking care of people is a sin if you are a Christian. The only time it is acceptable is when people are actually homeless and seriously need help. Heaven forbid that we actually help anyone before the worst things happen.

                Losing support of allies throughout the world... I am pretty sure that happened during George W's reign, already.

                "Causing America to be unable to lead in matters of foreign affairs." Oh man, I could go on and on about this one. Obama has had to work damn hard for every little thing - foreign and domestic affairs, BOTH; because of blinding hate and prejudice that he has had to constantly head butt among the paranoid (majority WHITE Christian) political peers that he works with. The GOP have done so much damage to this country from both perspectives. They should all be ashamed of themselves for the way they have acted towards him just for being different. It's been like watching a bunch of kids in kindergarten, but not nearly as cute!!

                This is link to the Wiki on the case for impeaching George W. There are 18 actual offenses backed up by links to facts: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Th … ge_W._Bush

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                1. Credence2 profile image77
                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You can say that again, Sister!

                  History bears out that the reactionary conservative types have never been the sharpest knives in the drawer. At best, their representatives amount to a Ringling/Barnum Bailey circus of clowns but at their worst they are all dangerous and fanatical fascists, who would not hesitate to subvert the Democratic process to have their way.

                  Continued vigilance at the ballot box is necessary to preclude the possibility of Washington being overwhelmed at the behest of the useful idiots that follow them.

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                2. NateSean profile image67
                  NateSeanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I wish there was an "applause" button. Well said and keep on saying it.

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I cannot imagine who she is talking to there...because her  Imagination seems to assume someone on this thread loves Rush Limbaugh.  ....  "You love Rush Limbaugh, that is all I can imagine, ha!"   lol   
                    I don't know..maybe some people do love the guy.  hmm

                    Imaginations can be such creative energy. 
                    Its like a wonderful form of art!  smile  like assuming / expression!

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                3. Jackie Lynnley profile image85
                  Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Our government hands our tax dollars to illegals (including the drug pushers, criminals and terrorist (such as Boston Bombers) immediately no questions asked but they do not take care of the homeless! Do we have homeless illegals? Of course not yet American people including children not only are homeless and hungry but our government wants to make it very hard or impossible for us to help them in the guise of saying it is for the homeless' benefit!

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                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
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                  2. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    JACKIE LYNNLEY ...TY!  smile  There are good people who have spent their own time and money to build tiny shelters for homeless American people.  "generosity in the appreciation of humanity" ...  Bless their hearts!

                    Here is a good example.

                    L.A. is seizing tiny homes from the homeless in California USA 
                    * http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m … story.html

                    But, illegal aliens get a free ride, housing, free driver's license so they can vote, amnesty for criminals even, food stamps, healthcare....  sad

                    This is not fiction!  Its un-American!  Its anti-American! 

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              2. adagio4639 profile image59
                adagio4639posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Kathryn Hill: Some don't mind:


                Increasing regulations preventing a percolating economy. -- Or increasing regulations to prevent another economic disaster like the last one we had, and restoring the nations economic health.

                Dismantling welfare reform.-- No such thing

                Shutting down oil reserves on public land. -- Public land means PUBLIC land. It's not for the private use of any person or corporation. That means that it belongs to me as much as it does You.

                Shutting down successful coal production.-- Coal being the dirtiest form of energy.

                Shutting down natural gas production for the sake of "global warming. -- Yes. Some people trust science. In fact the vast majority of the world trusts science. 

                Implementing Health Insurance mandates /affecting health of businesses.-- While providing affordable health insurance for millions of people that could never have accessed health care before.

                Printing money / lowering worth of the dollar / borrowing money from China" --- See G. W. Bush : borrowing money from China in order to finance a war in Iraq which lead to the creation of ISIS.

                Raising minimum wage / increasing prices across the board. --- If raising the minimum  wage means that I have to pay $.05 more for a burger so that somebody else can pay their rent, I can handle that.

                Allowing illegal aliens to get health care -- Health care is a commodity just like anything else. Would you not allow those same people to buy bread? Or Milk? Or any other commodity? How would you do that? If their money is green and printed in this country; how would you deny any purchase of any product? Would you demand to see their "Papers" before somebody that you "suspected" was illegal could make a purchase? Or you going to profile every person that you meet?

                Allowing illegal aliens to vote through drivers licenses. -- Nonsense.

                Losing the support of allies throughout the world.-- More nonsense

                Diminishing the military to make the budget to look better. -- even more nonsense. You make a false claim and then offer a motive based on your own bias. Demonstrate the truth of that claim.

                Causing America to be unable to lead in matters of foreign affairs. -- More nonsense.

                Allowing Syrians and potential terrorists into the country. -- They are refugee's fleeing the very people that we are bombing, and we are bombing them because people like you thought it was a good idea to take down the government of the country next door, which created the enemy known as ISIS, which now threatens Syria and is causing the refugee problem which is now a problem for the world. Now; after having caused the problem, you want to deny the refugees fleeing the disaster that America caused, safe haven. Do you find some kind of moral justification for this?
                Are you a Christian? If so, then with your attitude, how do you respond to this?
                Matthew 25
                35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
                36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’
                37 Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
                38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
                39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’
                40 And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’

                BTW, The Visa Waiver program allows potential terrorists into this country, and that is what you should be worrying about. 

                Giving Iran, who is in cahoots with Russia, 160 billion in frozen assets to build nuclear weapons. --That's a false claim. Your suggestion is that the reason for unfreezing Iranian assets was to build nuclear weapons. That's ridiculous. Frozen Iranian assets never prevented Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons.

                No border control / allowing Mexican illegals, Middle Eastern terrorists and drugs to flow in. -- The borders are under control. Then again, you could build a Yuge wall and have Mexico pay for it.

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                1. Credence2 profile image77
                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You are certainly on a roll this afternoon. I like you!

                  Please come back and come often!

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                2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Some don't believe:
                  Increasing regulations preventing a percolating economy.
                  Dismantling welfare reform.
                  Shutting down oil reserves on public land.
                  Shutting down successful coal production.
                  Shutting down natural gas production for the sake of "global warming."
                  Implementing Health Insurance mandates /affecting health of businesses.
                  Printing money / lowering worth of the dollar / borrowing money from China.
                  Raising minimum wage / increasing prices across the board.
                  Allowing illegal aliens to get health care.
                  Allowing illegal aliens to vote through drivers licenses.
                  Losing the support of allies throughout the world.
                  Diminishing the military to make the budget to look better.
                  Causing America to be unable to lead in matters of foreign affairs.
                  Allowing Syrians and potential terrorists into the country.
                  Giving Iran, who is in cahoots with Russia, 160 billion in frozen assets to build nuclear weapons.
                  No border control / allowing Mexican illegals, Middle Eastern terrorists and drugs to flow in.

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              3. Jackie Lynnley profile image85
                Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Now they want to make it against the law to have a different view than climate change. This is one scary administration!

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                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  … shouldn't have to enforce belief …  in anything!

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                2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Global-warming is the biggest lie since evolution.  9/11 was an inside-job & Pearl Harbor was a false-flag event.  Kenyan-born Obama is the Antichrist and Jesuit Pope Francis is the False Prophet.  Not even Trump will be able to save us.  ONLY Jesus can do that.  "Keep & Bear" means own and CARRY.  Same-sex marriages can NEVER be consummated.  Bruce Jenner will always have the distinctive male pelvic-bone.  Ban me now you blind-leaders of the blind!

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                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ … mplication

                    If they can't do it for a female they sure can't do it for a …  (well, yet anyway)

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                  2. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Good to see you came by, Sgt.  I hope you are doing well.  This might interest you that the truth is coming out.   God bless you! 

                    Whistle blower:  Germaine Clarno came forward to admit to the long wait time Veterans have had to endure at different VA health care centers that has cost uncountable numbers of deaths of our Veterans.  Her reason for not speaking up was that because the idea of talking to a Republican was too distasteful. Talk about irrational hatred!  ... Because of it, Veterans suffered and died here in America.   

                    Other Union workers were silent from what I have read, and they were paid-off with VA money that should have gone to care for Vets instead of manipulating case files to hide the long wait times for medical care, etc.   I'm so glad this is finally coming to light. 

                    'We Don't Need a Department of Veterans Affairs' - Dr. Carson
                    *  http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mel … ns-affairs

                    Hopefully, we will one day have housing for all of our homeless Veterans and the best medical care possible. Everything illegals aliens get handed to them for their votes belongs to our Vets first and foremost.  American Vets deserve it!  Trump will make it possible...he is a true American Patriot.   

                    Obama is un-American for allowing such ungodly treatment of our Veterans to continue.   (I am biting my tongue)   hmm

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                3. colorfulone profile image77
                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  The globalists don't use the scientific data that proves that there is no global warming.  First they called it 'global cooling' which was disproved.  Then, they called it 'global warming' which was disproves.  Now, they call it 'climate change'...well they finally found the PC words this time....because the climate is always changing.   Its not cooling, its not warming...except for the seasons.  BUT it is the same 'agenda to regulate and tax' the people in this world.   

                  Yeah, now they want to use global warming / global cooling / climate change ... to tale away our Free Speech.  I don't think so!  but...That's the Marxist Obama Administration and an agenda for a NWO by the Globalists who want to control the world.

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          2. Misfit Chick profile image74
            Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I am always so amazed at people who suggest we should impeach Obama. These are the same people who thought George W did a great job as president, apparently. When 'we crazy liberals' were screaming for him to be impeached (for several very good reasons); they thought nothing of it...

            I can only imagine that the majority of people who are anti-Obama didn't start following politics much until he came onto the scene in such a 'threatening' way. I remember all kinds of 'end of the world' prophesies from Christians BEFORE he was elected he in case he got elected. (I saved one of them just for funsies.)

            Bottom line... Obama has done FAR LESS offenses against 'we the people' than his predecessor did. No, he isn't perfect. Those of us who voted for him didn't expect him to be. How can ANYONE be in the position of President? There are so many compromises each administration is forced to make. But dang, conservatives sure hold him to a far higher standard than they do their own leaders.

            Then again, hypocrisy is something most Christians have MASTERED. You can sin as much as you want; and then go ask your God to forgive you and he will. You don't have to be responsible for anything you actually say or do.

            So yeah, tell us more about how utterly horrible Obama has been... I KNOW I can list one of George W's offenses for everyone one of Obamas with some left over, ha!

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            1. blargablarga profile image69
              blargablargaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I think that part of the problem is that they genuinely don't have a grip on the /bare basics/ of the US government.  I have met conservatives, hand to god, who /truly believe/ that the president /creates laws/.  They seem to have no idea that congress is a thing.  And as a result, they don't vote for congressional representatives (who have no term limits) so we have career politicians who are in congress for decades, banking on the fact that they think people blame the president for their job.  And that is strange to me.  Because I know we all had the same third grade social studies class.

              Like this chick genuinely believes that the president, rather than congress, makes laws applicable to the EPA including the annual emissions guidelines.  You think she's a troll but I swear to god she probably believes that.

              She genuinely believes that president, not congress, makes financial decisions such as inflation adjustment.  Like she actually believes that.  Do you know how many lobbyists would be out of a job were that true?

              ...like just...

              My elementary school had a poster that explained this with a triangle similar to the recycling symbol.  I don't understand how you could not know that.  I'm from Kentucky.  My senator is the head of the republican majority in the senate.  Because people /forget he is a thing/.  The polling numbers for senatorial races are /abysmal/.  It's just...

              WE ALL T00K THE SAME GRADE SCH00L TEST!  Y0U HAVE T0 KN0W THIS 0R Y0U W0ULDN'T HAVE PASSED INT0 MIDDLE SCH00L!  ST0P PRETENDING Y0U D0N'T!  It's so annoying, you know.

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              1. My Esoteric profile image86
                My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                The confusion starts with that shortly after Congress started working (in 1789), it stopped working as planned.  The founders wanted it to work the way you just described, but because a disparate group of men split into two competing Houses cannot possibly lead the nation in a coherent manner.  The Executive was simply to try to interpret the laws Congress wrote, often a difficult proposal. and execute them, no help in their formulation wanted.

                Well, that didn't work and Congress informally turned over the responsibility of formulating a vision, converting that into "proposed" laws and then trying to get Congress to pass them (which leads to the perception that the "President makes laws".  He, soon to be She, simply proposes them, Congress must still pass them. (This doesn't stop Congress from coming up with things on their own, but they, and America, look to the President to do what wasn't initially intended ... Lead")

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                1. blargablarga profile image69
                  blargablargaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  What are y0u talking ab0ut?  BIlls /can't/ be pr0p0sed by the president.  Y0u can g0 t0 the c0ngressi0nal web site and read exactly which c0ngress representative pr0pr0sed which bill, usually in the f0rm 0f a c0mittie c0nsisting 0f several representatives, 0nce again, many 0f these (like the bill pr0p0sed t0 make the minimum wage a state, rather than federal issue) are pr0p0sed by /my/ c0ngress representative.

                  Pe0ple trying t0 belittle the j0b they d0 are the /reas0n/ we can't get these pe0ple 0ut 0f 0ffice.  Please st0p spreading this misinf0rmati0n.  N0, bills are n0t pr0p0sed by the president, they are pr0p0sed by c0ngress representatives, n0rmally in a c0mmittie, and n0rmally with a bunch 0f rand0m shit tacked 0n s0 they can slide weird laws, benefiting their l0bbiests 0n as ammendums t0 p0pular bills.

                  Again, y0u /kn0w/ this.  This is /c0mm0n kn0wlge/.  I'm an idi0t wh0 went t0 public sch00l in /rural Appalachia/ and I kn0w h0w /my 0wn g0vernment/ functi0ns.

                  Please, please v0te in y0ur c0ngressi0nal races, pe0ple.

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                  1. profile image0
                    jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Not wishing to be 200oo critical, don't they teach in public school the difference between "O" and Zer0?"

                    This not in any way a nasty dig - just having a laugh.

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          3. Siddharthasb profile image61
            Siddharthasbposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think as a foreign observer that Obama is destroying America at all. In fact I think he's wisely steering it through a period of decline.

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          4. days leaper profile image61
            days leaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            didn't understand the "condemning Christianity and proclaiming Marxism" the two are not on the same scale.  Did you mean capitalism as the opposite of Marxism?
            But I think you will find Christ spoke more of the poor giving their last coin (whatever currency) to those worse off) and neither Weber, Marx nor any-one else went this far!
            Or are they meant as separate sentences?

            >edit> this somehow went to the wrong part of this hub.. apologies.

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Jesus actually said "The poor will always be with you and you can give to them whenever you want." Not when Obama wants.

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            2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You nailed it right on the money.

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            3. Victoria Lynn profile image89
              Victoria Lynnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Why would we impeach Obama? Bush lied and got us into a war with Iraq. He was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. And we didn't impeach him. So why Obama?

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            4. Eric Hatchitz profile image67
              Eric Hatchitzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Obama hasn't been impeached because he is black. The Republicans do not want to appear racist and risk losing the black vote.(which they don't have to begin with, so kind of a stupid strategy ) this allows Obama to run rough shod all over the Constitution.  We need a Trump that will call a spade a spade damn the retaliation from the politically correct establishment.

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              1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Republicans APPEAR Racist because as a Collective Clan, they are indeed Racist and even they would probably Admit that unfortunate FACT if Confronted ~ Pale Pasty White Semi-Senile & Physically Fragile Bill o'reilly recently on Fox Loser Snooze Channel said he would do everything in his power to Destroy "Black Lives  Matter" so there U go, one small piece of the Racist Republican CONservative Puzzle ~

                If there was even an infinately Tiny  MORSEL of Evidence to Pursue Impeachment against a TOP 5 Historical President like Barrack Obama, believe me, Republicans would have been FORCED to do so by their Radically Insane Dumbell Base of VOTERS ~

                There is ZERO Evidence against him and everyone knows it, unlike DUNCE George W Bush with his Unecessary Wars &  War Crimes together with Senile Losers DICK & Donald  ~

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              2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                We need to identify what is destroying the country from within.
                Isn't that exactly right, Mr. Hatchitz?

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            5. Alex Brockie profile image71
              Alex Brockieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              you say you're paranoid, you're actually <personal attack>

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              1. Live to Learn profile image60
                Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Since I like to be up front and honest I'll let you know. You've been reported.

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                1. colorfulone profile image77
                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Double that!

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          5. Kelsey Halstead profile image60
            Kelsey Halsteadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Amen! I mean, yes I agree with all you say!

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        2. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          PATRIOTS READ AND SHARE REAL HISTORY:
          A LITTLE HISTORY THE PROGRESSIVES AND ISLAMISTS WILL NOT TEACH YOU!!
          Obama lies about the great relationship between Islam and America!!
          READ UP AND SHARE!!

          Here is a little history. Including how the term ‘Leatherneck’ came to be . . .

          Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago, the United States had declared war on Islam, and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!

          At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic. They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

          These extortionists of the high seas represented the Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers – collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast – and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.

          Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

          Beginning in1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America’s Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States, rather than engaging them in war.

          In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dey of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

          In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

          The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

          Despite of this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

          Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

          Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.

          He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to “cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify”.

          When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the might’ to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Hymn, They would forever be known as “leathernecks” for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

          Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply. America had a tradition of religious tolerance, the fact that Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.

          This should bother every American. That the Islam’s have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged, Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities. Ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah, public schools are pulling pork from their menus, on and on in the news papers….

          It’s death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamist agenda. Sadly, it appears that today’s America would rather be politically correct than victorious.

          Any doubts, just Google Thomas Jefferson vs the Muslim World

          MORE INFO:
          The First American Military Warriors Who Fought Against Islamic Terrorists From 1801-1805
          “From the Halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, we fight our country’s battles, in the air, on land, and sea.”- Official Hymn of the U.S. Marine Corps. Have you ever wondered what is Tripoli doing in our Marines’ official hymn? On this memorial day, let us remember those who gave their lives that we might be free from muslim terror!

          Ambassador Thomas Jefferson had a wake up call the day he met with muslim leaders. Thomas Jefferson asked why are muslims attacking American ships when we are doing nothing to incite any form of violence. To his shock, he recorded the following words spoken by the muslim ambassador Abd Al-Rahman: “it was written in the Qur’an, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged the authority of mohammad were sinners, that it was the right and duty of every muslim to make war upon nonmuslims they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Muslim who should be slain in battle was believed to go to Paradise.”

          Remember there was no Israel nation at this point and there was no American military bases in Saudi Arabia to blame these muslim terrorist attacks. All America wanted to do was to pass by the open seas and engage in fair trade. Even liberal PBS McNeil/Lehrer reported one day on America’s first war by President Thomas Jefferson against the muslim terrorists.

          To the surprise of many in our modern liberal and libertarian false worlds, our nation formed its first national Navy and united beyond individual States to a national force, due to muslim terrorist attacks at the foundational years of our nation. The founders of our nation believed that we needed to be united against the threat of islamic terrorism or we would fall as divided States. Muslims were terrorizing Americans by forcefully boarding American ships and beheading our men and enslaving our women and children. Americans were being sold in the open muslim market.

          When they offered America an option to pay a nonmuslim tax of up to 1 million dollars per year so they would “allow” us to sail without their attacks on our ships, sadly, John Adams agreed to pay the bribe according to the European model of that day. At one point, up to 20% of our national budget was dedicated to paying off muslim terrorists. Thomas Jefferson argued that the more you pay a terrorist, the more he’ll demand. When he became President, he called on our brave Marines and Navy to go overseas and kick the butt of those muslim terrorists who were ruthlessly attacking our American citizens. {Jefferson used the common colloquialism of his day for this.}

          Muslims made the grave mistake of believing that a small nation just formed would not have the power to fight the muslim powers overseas. By the Grace of God, The LORD granted our Marines and Navy great victories and the muslim powers were forced to return several hundred American women children and men. Unfortunately, our first treaty sadly stipulated that America would agree to pay $60,000.00 for these “slaves”. President Jefferson tried to call it “tribute” instead of “ransom”, but rightly, William Eaton remained strongly opposed to the State Department diplomat Tobias Lear on this important matter. By 1807, Muslims began to attack American ships once again and terrorize our citizens abroad. In 1815, Commodores William Bainbridge and Stephen Decatur led our military victories to force muslims to sign ending all “nonmuslim” tax payments by the United States to faithful muslims and that finally put a stop to the muslim attacks on our citizens for a long time.

          However, Thomas Jefferson knew the danger of islam was not over. He secured the great Naval Hero rear Admiral John Paul Jones to try to fight off the muslims in Constantinople and return Constantinople to the Christians who had been attacked by muslim ottoman forces and overtaken after several hundred years of failed attempts by previous muslim rulers to attack the peaceful Christians
          Many of our brave men and women have sacrificed their lives fighting off muslim terrorists.

          Remember this battle did not begin by us, but it started in the last 1700s against our nation. Prior to that it had started in the beginning of islam by mohammad the false prophet of islam. It has continued for over 1388 years.

          I sincerely hope that our generation be the final generation that allow the terror of islam to be passed on to the next generation!

          TIME TO PICK THE FIGHT.. NOT WAIT FOR THEM TO WAGE IT!!

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          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            TERRO!

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          2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Colorful one, if I didn't already have Jesus in my heart I'd consider worshipping you.  Semper Fi!

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          3. cathylynn99 profile image76
            cathylynn99posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            god in the old testament is just as genocidal.

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            1. Live to Learn profile image60
              Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Godzilla wreaked havoc on Tokyo.

              Thought you might find that just as pertinent.

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          4. blargablarga profile image69
            blargablargaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            ...that was a wild ride fr0m start t0 finish

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            1. wrenchBiscuit profile image66
              wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12839608_f1024.jpg

              LOL! Yes , she has delivered the revisionist Eurocentric version of American History. Of course, she left out the atrocities, and the genocide committed by Columbus, the trans-Atlantic slave trade,the institution of slavery that lasted nearly 400 years, ethnic cleansing of the First Nations, the genocide of over 100 million native people, and the fact that U.S. presidents like Washington and Jefferson were kidnappers, rapists, and slaveholders. Jefferson is also known to be a pedophile.

              Of course this is just the short list of crimes against humanity committed by Christian European Colonialists, and then later by the good people of the United States. The Muslims will have to work very hard to surpass the atrocities committed by Christians here  on this continent.

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              1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Point of fact: Slavery was already a thriving industry in Africa long before Columbus was even born and still is practiced on that dark continent today.  The slave-traders actually did these people a major favor by rescuing them off to England, Spain & the Americas.

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Sgt, you are so clever at passing the buck!   Never accept the honest truth if you can be economical with a half-truth.

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                2. wrenchBiscuit profile image66
                  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Your comment is irrelevant and absurd. First of all the topic I was addressing was American history, not African history. Furthermore,by suggesting the Trans-Atlantic slave trade was actually a blessing in disguise, you are also suggesting that crimes against humanity are acceptable as long as we can rationalize that the ends justifies the means. Now, go ahead and give us another brilliant observation. You were definitely made to order for the OP.

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                  1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                    Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Trust me, I too wish those rescues had never happened but without slavery in our history we could have never known the brilliance of The Honorable Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior(not his real name), the talent of Sammy Davis Jr, the wisdom of Clarence Thomas & Alan Keyes, and we would have been deprived of the MANY newsmakers such as Louis Farrakhan, Malcom X, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, OJ Simpson, Bill Cosby, Marion Barry, Trayvon Martin, our First Ladyboy and all the rap-artists.  Now who'd want to live in a country like to that?

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                    1. Credence2 profile image77
                      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Are you out of your mind? Maybe you would not be so flippant about it if it were you and your ancestors that were subjected to this?

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                  2. blargablarga profile image69
                    blargablargaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Plus he d0esn't differentiate between indentured servitude, the type 0f slavery c0mm0nly practiced by the pe0ples wh0 traded with Eur0peans, in which pe0ple, n0rmally pris0ners 0f war, w0rked 0ff their "sentence" similar t0 h0w in WW2 the English put the German P0Ws t0 w0rk 0n farms, until such time their sentences was served, and chattle slavery, the type 0f slavery practiced in the US, wherein the pe0ple were stripped 0f all rights, c0nsidered pr0perty, and w0rked t0 death, ad infenium.  These were tw0 c0mpletely different systems.  Indentured servitide is actually n0t illegal in the US /n0w/ either, it's still widely practiced.  Pris0ns are 0perated as a f0r pr0fit business, using slave lab0r f0r a variety 0f g00ds and pr0ducti0n services.  There are several pretty g00d b00ks 0n the subject, which s0ci0l0gists have called the "pris0n pipeline"; the system /requires/ an influx 0f new bl00d t0 w0rk pr0perly, and make a small f0rtune.  In fact, several states, such as mine, 0pp0se capit0l punishment n0t because we're 0pp0sed t0 murder, but because we can't aff0rd t0 l0se the free lab0r.

                    There are a t0n 0f pe0ple, including several human right's gr0ups, wh0 believe that the 0riginal anti-slavery laws must be rewritten as they currently exclude pris0ners, and this can be seen as a vi0lati0n 0f human rights.  These gr0ups believe that slavery sh0uld be 0utlawed in it's entirety.

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                3. Cardisa profile image88
                  Cardisaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  WTF??????

                  "...did these people a favor?"

                  JESUS CHRIST!

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                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    The good sgt. must be around 200 years old - isn't that the rationalization in common use back them?  That it is for their own good to have families sold separately, to be strung up to the whipping post, raped by their owners, etc.?

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                    1. Cardisa profile image88
                      Cardisaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      I haven't posted in the forum for about a year now and this is the first thing I see after so long.

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          5. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Well worth reading if you are an American, and in name only!

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        3. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Hussein means "handsome one" much like Lucifer.

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          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Saddam Hussein was "handsome" too.
            "The execution of Saddam Hussein took place on Saturday 30 December 2006. Hussein was sentenced to death by hanging, after being found guilty and convicted of crimes against humanity by the Iraqi Special Tribunal for the murder of 148 Iraqi Shi'ites in the town of Dujail in 1982, in retaliation for an assassination attempt against him."
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution … am_Hussein
            Barry is a baby next to him.
            Right?

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              In the words of the late Yogi Berra "It ain't over till its over." This Kenyan-born usurper isn't done yet.

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              1. Paul Wingert profile image60
                Paul Wingertposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                The stupidity in this thread burns. You idiots need to get over yourselves.

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Just imagine how Trump's campaign would be going if he had been born in Kenya to an under-aged porn-star mother and a British father!

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                  1. Barbara Kay profile image74
                    Barbara Kayposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    "Porn star mother," I want to see where you came up with that one without using one of the Republican propoganda sites.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  It's okay.  They'll be the first to occupy the FEMA camps, after Obama takes away their guns.  They'll be forced to participate in gay marriages by atheists wearing burkas.  That's after the gub'mint bans Christian churches and forces pregnant Christians (watch out, Palins!) to have abortions.  Oh, and hundreds of Planned Parenthood offices will open all across the U.S. providing free birth control to everyone.  And let's not forget free cell phones for illegal immigrants, funded by increasing the tax rate to 98% for the wealthy.

                  Yes, a liberal utopia will ensue, once Obama declares martial law rather than give up his reign to Trump, who will be elected by righteous conservatives, but denied the Presidency by the Antichrist, Barack Hussein Obama.

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                  1. Credence2 profile image77
                    Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Sarcasm indeed, You are certainly on a roll, today, Panther!

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                      PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/sarcasm-funny-quotes2.jpg

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                3. Credence2 profile image77
                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I have to agree, this is the dumbest thread, full up on lame brain rightwinger reasoning, that I have seen in all my time participating in the forums...

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        4. Nick Bishop profile image59
          Nick Bishopposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The guys a Christian many Arab Christians have names like that doesn't mean their Muslim !

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          1. frankjosher profile image59
            frankjosherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

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            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              One of these days we'll know the whole story.

              (lol)

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        5. NikaWest profile image54
          NikaWestposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          OMG. Is this now only a Christian nation. I can hardly believe that Hub let this one be posted. Ugh.

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          1. Short Storiess profile image60
            Short Storiessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Hahhahaha its just stupid,majority of Christians are good people like Pope Francis.Unfortunately there are always some bad sheep in the flock

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Pope Francis is a wolf in sheep's clothing.  He was born 100% Italian to 100% Italian parents in Argentina.  It is widely believed he was a child-trafficker who over saw hundreds of orphaned children sent to Canada where they were abused, killed and buried in mass-graves or used to make pink-slime processed through Cargill in Minnesota. 
              This man is not only a Jesuit he is a Luciferian member of the Ninth Circle.  Francis is clearly the False Prophet for Antichrist Obama.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Birds of a feather flock together?   Not in the case of Christian nuns' religious liberties and Pope Francis.  All he would have to do is use his voice and stand up for what the Catholic Church used to protect - the lives of unborn babies.

                Christian nuns – serving the poor – face the choice to comply with President Obama’s abortion-pill mandate or pay enormous financial penalties.

                Let your voice be heard, sign the petition:
                http://aclj.org/religious-liberty/defea … 43270617=1

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                jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                "It is widely believed......."  talk about scandal-mongering....  And all those nasty things you say about individual human beings and based upon the premise of your "widely believing."

                If your entire American nation took on the mental  attitudes which you display here, Sgt., it would be a sad, tragic world for us to live in.

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        6. Bill Yovino profile image88
          Bill Yovinoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          He is NOT a Muslim. Turn off Fox News and take your head out of you know where.

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          1. Credence2 profile image77
            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Agree whole heartedly,  It is beyond me why certain people and groups continue to spread the vicious and unsubtantiated lie about our current President.....

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Kenyan-born Obama is NOT anybody's "president" legally.  He belongs in Federal prison at best.

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              1. Credence2 profile image77
                Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                That's what YOU say, and that does not carry far with me. sorry...

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  For the love of God open your eyes man!  We are living in the last-days and this man of lawlessness is The Antichrist.

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        7. mybillypilgrim profile image61
          mybillypilgrimposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, Obama is a muslim! Yes, Hillary ordered the attack on Benghazi! Yes, Joe Biden is a Russian spy! Yes, Bin-Laden is alive and living in Nutley, New Jersey, planning an attack on Fox News! And Yes, the world is flat, so, Ms. Hill, don't go sailing anytime soon because you might sail off the edge!

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            PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            You left out the New World Order, FEMA death camps and the Antichrist (Obama?  the Pope?  Hillary?  Depends on which nut er, I mean "Patriot" you talk to). 

            Carry on.

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      2. IslandBites profile image90
        IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        "America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect." -G.W. Bush

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      3. Sgt Prepper profile image60
        Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Kenyan-born Obama was adopted as Barry Soetoro, a Moslem, who attended a Jesuit grade school called Saint Francis in Indonesia.  He is the ONLY U.S. President(?) born since the ratification of our Constitution "In the Year of Our Lord" 1787 who had a foreigner for a parent. Oh and FYI:  Obama is the Antichrist & Pope Francis is his False Prophet.  Get ready!

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        1. IslandBites profile image90
          IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          LOL

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          1. Paul Wingert profile image60
            Paul Wingertposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            @ Sgt Pepper. So? Go back to your Faux News. Antichrist - LMAO. Like you, I had an imaginary friend, then I turned 9.

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        2. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Hi Sgt Prepper.   smile

          Let us imagine having a president who is a Muslim, and he wants the Iranians to have nuclear weapons. Now, I think that would make sense. 

          yikes Oh gosh, is that what is happening with a Christian president? 
          (Gasp, that seems so anti-Christ) 

          sad  Let's say, we have a president who has exasperated  Israel  our #1 ally in the Middle East, (Jewish citizens). 

          Let's now pretend that only a Muslim president would do that. 
          But wait, what is happened?
          Confusion?  Brainwashing?  Propaganda?  Lies?  Divisions?

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          1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            "No punishment is too great, for the man who builds his greatness upon his country's ruin."
            George Washington

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Ben Carson is an honorable man who made something great of himself, who has saved numerable lives.  There are countless good things to say about him and his brilliant mind.  He should be celebrated for his achievements.

              But the pc elites in the media and the political elitists are hammering the noble soft spoken doctor who actually has educated answers and solutions to fix problems in America.  He is for the people, not for the big corrupt government we have.   

              Its interesting to research the Obama body count and the Clinton body count.  Maybe that is what makes the elite liberals so great in the eyes of many? Perhaps the MSM is afraid to not be politically correct?  There are plenty of journalist on the body count lists. 

              I don't even know what to say to people who are brainwashed. I do have pity though.

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              1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Recognition of the real truth is obvious in all your writing and comments.  You must be a born-again believer, pray daily and read your Bible.  Am I wrong?

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                1. colorfulone profile image77
                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I had a born-again experience when I was a wee 10 year old girl.  When I hungered and thirsted for the righteousness of God in Christ,  I ate the Bible and meditated on it day and night. I store up the spoken words of God in my heart and it is an instrument of continual prayer by the Spirit (when I am in the Spirit).

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                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    "While Christianity teaches that conversion must be the uncoerced choice of the free human will, Islam teaches that conversion or submission must be imposed if necessary on the unwilling. The only choices the Koran gives to us as infidels: conversion, submission, or war."

                    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/090410

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                    1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      WOW, very interesting info.

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                    2. colorfulone profile image77
                      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      I do study the Scriptures in English, Hebrew and Greek and am ever learning truths.  I usually read a portion of Scriptures each day and maybe cross reference it if I am not sure of the original text or a word and the meaning there of.  Then, I chew on it like a cud (as in meditate), my food for thought. 

                      My Mom has Alzheimer's. She used to read the Bible through from cover to cover every year. Now, she does Bible word search puzzles along with a related Scripture. She still walks and talks with God, and is always ready to pray in the Spirit for those in need.  So, it is a possibility that words can grow dim for me as well.  smile

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                    3. colorfulone profile image77
                      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Islam is a radical political religion.

                      "Many parts of Sharia Law are not compatible with the U.S. Constitution. Under Sharia, homosexuals -- men and women alike -- must be killed. Women must be subservient. And people following other religions must be killed as well."   -- Ben Carson

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          Larry Wallposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Everything you said is wrong and you know you cannot prove any of it. I do not know what you expect to gain from such rhetoric. Obama has been elected twice as President. Jimmy Carter was elected once. George H.W. Bush was elected once and their are others. I do not have any clue what you expect to gai from such inaccurate comments.

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          1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            We want justice which means impeachment, conviction, arrest, punishment and deportation of Bathhouse Barry the Kenyan-born usurper.  Making big rocks into little rocks at Portsmouth until a firing squad of U.S. Marines can be assembled would be most appropriate.

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      4. Ruth Angel profile image71
        Ruth Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        This is exactly why religion has no place in politics.

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      5. waheed60 profile image61
        waheed60posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Have you ever thought for once that despite your false propaganda and venomous outburst against Islam, the religion continues to spread. It is currently the fastest growing religion in the world. If the 2 billion Muslims in the world were to be against you as you portray them to be, you will be in a big mess.

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        1. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          This is about not allowing a Muslim as president who has not renounced extremist Islam.   

          Added: I agree with Ben Carson on that point. I also agree that we do not need to be politically correct and have our freedom of speech removed.  I whole heartedly disagree with Obama's trampling on the Constitution.

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          1. Thief12 profile image90
            Thief12posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            So as a result of your disagreement you want to trample the Constitution's freedom of religion, is that right? No Muslims allowed in the States, is that it?

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      6. Ruth Angel profile image71
        Ruth Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12666475_f248.jpg

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The word of God is foolishness to those who are on the road to perdition.  It will ALWAYS be impossible to consummate a so-called "same-sex marriage".

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      7. Don W profile image83
        Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I think you and Dr. Carson are right to raise the question of religious belief in relation to presidential candidates. To address the issue, do you think all presidential candidates who profess a religious belief should be asked to demonstrate their commitment to upholding the Constitution by explicitly stating whether or not they would violate the Constitution in favor of that religious belief? In other words, do you think the electorate has the right to know how a presidential candidate would behave in the event of a conflict of interest between their religious belief and the Constitution, before they become president?

        Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz, for example, have both expressed support for Kim Davis, who has not only demonstrated that her interpretation of Christianity is incompatible with the Constitution, but also demonstrated that she is willing to violate the Constitution in favor of those religious beliefs, rather than resign. If the test posed by Dr. Carson (how compatible is a person's religious belief with the Constitution?) is applied to Kim Davis, then she would fail that test.

        Luckily Ms. Davis is not running for president, but Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz are, and their support for her raises the question of whether their interpretation of Christianity is compatible with the Constitution. It also raises the question of whether they would be able to live up to the oath the office of the President of the United States, which says: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States". If they believe it is preferable to violate the Constitution rather than preserve it, then clearly they would be unable to live up to this oath, which the president elect is required to take before becoming president.

        So I share yours and Dr. Carson's concern that a future President would not be able to uphold the Constitution because their religious beliefs are incompatible with it. Do you think the measures suggested above would be a useful way of helping the public make an informed decision?

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          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I wise that the Supreme Court judges would have used some higher intelligence before they handed down their decision on same sex marriages that they forced on all states. They had to know that they were going to create mega problems being that America is basically Judaeo Christian.

          I believe that congress needs to act and come up with a smart solution to protect everyone's Constitutional rights.

          And, that no mater what religion or belief system a person who is running for the presidency is, that their beliefs can not conflict with the Constitution. Islam's tenets of Sharia law conflicts with the Constitution heavily.

          I love reading your wordy posts. 

          Edited a capital letter to one.

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          1. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not sure the issue is about what religious belief someone has. I think it may be more about whether someone would uphold the Constitution, regardless of their religious belief? Senator Lindsey Graham, for example, is a Christian and supports traditional marriage, but said he believes Davis "has to apply the law to everyone."

            In contrast, by supporting Davis' actions, Carson, Huckabee and Cruz are strongly indicating that they advocate violating the Constitution to accommodate religious beliefs. That attitude is incompatible with the job of President. In fact it's incompatible with being a member of Congress, as Cruz currently is. That leads me to believe Ben Carson would do better asking how religious belief would affect the presidency of the real (all Christian) candidates, than harping on about the beliefs of imaginary Muslim ones.

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        2. MizBejabbers profile image89
          MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Dr. Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist. This church is known to lean toward pacifism. Can we trust Dr. Carson to be willing to stand up for America against Muslims, despite his statements?

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          1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Most importantly will Christians finally wake-up and realize Saturday, the seventh-day of the week, IS the Sabbath and day-of-rest?  It was Constantine and the church of Rome which changed the Fourth Commandment.

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              jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Sgt. Prepper, you are simply "stirring it."    Most of your arguments put forward are nonsensical, confronting (deliberately), often insulting.   It seems you have an intelligent mind behind all that.  How about coming out with something that is positive, friendly, uniting and sensible?

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              1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                jonny, I really honestly do appreciate your observations.  Earlier today I have contributed several positive comments reference earwax build-up, Kohler faucets, and the sinking of the Titanic which was really the RMS Olympic.  Trouble is I can easily see the last-days are happening now so salvation in Jesus Christ is most important before The Rapture.  Those left behind are as good as dead.  Those souls mean more to me than motorcycles, duck-hunting, fast-cars, and even the Green Bay Packers.  It is just that things are getting so urgent and so many people are blind or willfully ignorant.  I am just the messenger in this whole thing.  Thanks for not biting my head off completely.

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Do you and Suzie really, honestly, think you will get past those Pearly Gates?
                  All you have each been saying is anything but the sort of attitude I would expect from those who profess to be "saved by grace."

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Surely the President of the United States of America is, in Office, required to speak and act on behalf of ALL citizens, impartially?   Therefore, he or she must be required to put ALL personal bias aside for the duration of holding Office.  This should be a requirement of the Oath and any deviance to that Oath should be cause for Impeachment?

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            1. Live to Learn profile image60
              Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Wow. By that criteria we could have impeached everyone in the Oval Office since the beginning of the presidency. Heck. There'd be no heads of state anywhere in the world if we held them all to that standard. Unless, acting on the behalf of all precludes anyone who feels that their best interests weren't served from pointing it out.

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            2. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              "Ruling in a lawsuit brought by the Obama Administration's Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), a federal court awarded $240,000 to two former Muslim drivers, who claimed that their religious beliefs were violated by an Illinois trucking company. The two men were fired when they refused to deliver alcohol for the carrier, saying it was against their religious values as practicing Muslims.

              Strangely, the progressive crowd that urged Kim Davis to quit because she didn't want to violate her religious beliefs in performing her job was totally silent."
              http://www.mrctv.org/blog/feds-protect- … their-jobs

              This is the kind of crap that is happening in the United States.  Muslims are protected and awarded. While businesses and families suffer. Its likely those two men will never see the money because the business was forced to shut down.   

              Now had those been two white Christian who didn't want to drive the trucks because of their religion, I would bet it would have been a totally different story.  Things are on a downward spiral here.

              I know you are an outside down-under and not up on top of this slippery slip we're on so that you can see the erosion of this country.  Heck, a lot of Americans don't see it because they feed on the main stream media's BS.

              What happened in that ruling is a small part of "the grand jihad" as I see it.    Illinois has been taking a beating with lawsuits.  Minorities get privileges so that they will vote Democrat.

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      8. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Obama lied about Planned Parenthood providing mammograms as a part of women's healthcare.  He is not the only one who has lied about that. The CEO lied, Miss America lied....

        https://www.facebook.com/liveaction/vid … 592208728/

        Its time to wake up!

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        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not sure if any of that is intended as a reply. If it is, then I don't know what the relevance is. What I do know is that none of the candidates I'm aware of who are seeking their party's nomination are Muslim. It seems that all candidates are Christians. So my question remains: what's the point focussing on how compatible (or not) Islam is with the Constitution, when all the candidates are Christian, so ipso facto, the next president will be a Christian. Doesn't it make more sense to focus on how compatible certain Christian beliefs are with the constitution, especially in light of recent events indicating that some candidates may believe it is better to violate the Constitution on religious grounds, than to preserve it? Wouldn't it be more helpful for the electorate to know how the candidates who are actually running for nominations would reconcile the differences between their personal beliefs and the Constitution?

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      9. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Here are some more talking points for this thread, Don W. 

        I would be glad to discus any of them with you.

        "The [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work is a grand Jihad
        in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and
        "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the
        believers so that it is eliminated and [Allah's] religion is made victorious
        all over other religions."

        http://media.aclj.org/pdf/Sharia-Bookle … eb-red.pdf

        (Topics)

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        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Examples of beliefs that are incompatible with the Constitution can be found in all three Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism). I'd be happy to take you through them if you want. So, notwithstanding your preoccupation with only one of those religions, could it be that the issue is the nature of religious belief itself.

          Increasingly, the actions of some people who hold religious beliefs (including Christians) indicate that they cannot (or find it very difficult to) reconcile their religious belief with civic duty. The unique problem for religious believers is that the nature of their beliefs makes everything else (like the Constitution) secondary. The result is that political compromise becomes difficult for the religious believer. And this creates the situation we saw with Kim Davis, which essentially says: unless a government service complies with my religious beliefs, that government service will be shut down. That's a really big problem. 

          The United States is not a theocracy. And the fact that there are lots of Christians in the country, does not make it a Christian country. The founding fathers went to great lengths to ensure no religion was established as the national religion. And if you want to suggest the country is Christian because the principles of the Constitution are based on Christian values, I'd be happy to take you through why that's not the case (the concepts of "natural rights" and "social contract" came from philosophers like Locke, Gassendi, Hobbes who were themselves inspired by Greek and Roman philosophy). Christianity (or any belief in the supernatural) is not a prerequisite for understanding or cherishing the values laid out in the Constitution.

          If you want to continue with what seems to be nothing more than an anti-Islam thread, then you are of course free to do so. Or we could take the opportunity to have a meaningful conversation about the difficulties for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc. in reconciling their religious beliefs with the Constitution; their religious duty with their civic duty; and their religious communities with a pluralistic society. That's the conversation I thought you were trying to have.

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          1. MizBejabbers profile image89
            MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Don, I think all people who seek political office or who are paid out of taxpayer money should be required to uphold the Constitution regardless of their religious beliefs. Kim Davis should have been recalled when she first started her rant and "sit-in". I believe that if a state-licensed pharmacist refuses to dispense birth control pills to a woman, that pharmacist should be fired because those pills could be medically necessary for a hormonal imbalance or endometriosis, and it's not their place to judge.  Likewise, a person in private enterprise should not take a job that would entail doing something against his religion, i.e., hauling liquor. To refuse to do so harms the company's operations, so why should there even be any grounds for a discrimination suit here. I don't understand that. BTW, I am not a Republican nor a right-wing nut. I just believe that people should not take jobs that might be against their religion in the first place, and if they do take them, they should do them without complaint.

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      10. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Obama offered his condolences after our American forces bomb a hospital in Afghanistan.

        The U.S. Airstrike on Afghanistan Hospital Killed 19 people (including 3 children) and 37 people were wounded. 
        http://revolution-news.com/u-s-airstrike-on

        Those are suppose to be our allies, but that is nothing new. 

        During the Gulf war - 9 out of 24 British deaths were a result of US "friendly" fire.
        Out of 140 US deaths 35 were because of our own fire also.

        So nothing new there...

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        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Some people with religious belief are unable to compromise. That is the real danger to society. Whether those people happen to be Muslims, Christians or another religion, is irrelevant. As societal values (e.g. the right of same-sex couples to marry) start to diverge from traditional religious values, some people with religious beliefs may find it harder to reconcile their beliefs with the law and the Constitution. How a president, or government employee, behaves in that circumstance is crucial.

          The United States was born of the Enlightenment, not of religious belief. This makes sense, if you consider that they were revolting against a "divinely" chosen king. The revolution itself was about making the point that every person (regardless of religion, social status etc.) is equal. So barring someone from being president on the grounds that they are Muslim, would be unconstitutional.

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      11. raydevlin profile image61
        raydevlinposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Yawn.  What's it like to be defined by an irrational and uncontrolled hatred for political foes?  Find something fulfilling to occupy your mind, because this aint it.

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        1. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you. I am released.

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          1. raydevlin profile image61
            raydevlinposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It's staggering.  Only perhaps the Italians come close to the U.S. in the way political adversity can grip and pervert the mind.  Obama is a centre-left Democrat, who happens not to be a white Republican.  That's your problem.  Nothing else.  It's simply amazing that the GOP approach to tackling Democrats in power is to try jail them or impeach them.  If their policies are *so* bad, then all you should really need is to court public opinion and defeat them.  Let your arguments stand for you, they should be strong enough, right?  The tin-foil hat and conspiracy theory stuff does your credibility no favours.

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        jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Susie, have you personally, honestly researched every and each one of your statements here, in order to determine absolute truth and accuracy?
        If you have not taken that course then I suspect you have laid yourself open to charges of libel. 
        As a presentation on HubPages, your post is the worst I have ever seen in terms of sensational hate-mongering.
        When are you going to offer your apologies?

        Further, this thread has brought out the real cause behind America's fall in popularity around the world:   Christian Fundamentalism.  Which goes hand-in-hand with Blind Intention.

        Imho.

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          PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you.

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        2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Using any pre-2008 Bible Dictionary or Strong's Hebrew Lexicon you will find that BARAK means lightning and BAMAH means on high.  Hence BARAK O BAMAH means "lightning from on high".  In Luke 10:18 Jesus said "I saw Satan fall like lightning from on high."  Kenyan-born Obama IS The Antichrist & Pope Francis is his False Prophet.  Get ready for The Rapture!

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          1. MizBejabbers profile image89
            MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Who cares? Relevance?

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        3. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Your humble opinion is spot on.

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      13. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

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          PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/88/33/07/883307b228adc59647b15f1c72264f9b.jpg

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        2. Credence2 profile image77
          Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          This whole affair, the reactionary views on this thread amounts to 100 percent pure bovine excrement.

          Everybody that has graduated from Junior High knows the requirements to qualify for the office of President and there is no religious litmus test. You must be over the age of 35 and native born American citizen. What else is there?

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        3. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Why, don't you believe in our Constitution that specifically rejects religious tests to hold a federal office  ... did our founders get it wrong?

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        4. poetryman6969 profile image51
          poetryman6969posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I am against anything that would interfere with bedrock, quintessentially American values such as the free flow of Beer, Bacon and Bikinis.   If I had my way we would be re-established as the People's Republic of Bacon!

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            Chloe Micaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Agree with you!

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        5. GlendaGoodWitch profile image87
          GlendaGoodWitchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Obama is a disaster, and unfortunately,  many Americans are fools.  I agree with Ben Carson too.  It's called common sense

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          1. My Esoteric profile image86
            My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            No, Glenda, not "many", but "most" given the majority voted for him ... twice.  What is it that over 50% of open-minded Americans see that and the 20% closed-minded Conservatives don't? 

            How can it be "common" sense since Most disagree with Carson; it would seem to me that by definition your position is "uncommon".

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        6. Barbara Kay profile image74
          Barbara Kayposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I think that you should do research at sites other than Republican ones about these statements. I checked a few out and none of the ones I checked were true.

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        7. jeff61b profile image90
          jeff61bposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Let’s look at how strictly President Obama adheres to the Muslim faith.

          Muslims are not permitted to eat pork.
          President Obama his often been observed eating pork.

          The Muslim faith tends to oppose abortion.
          President Obama supports a woman’s right to have an abortion.

          Muslims believe religious doctrine should be taught in public schools.
          President Obama believes religion should be a private matter and not taught in public schools.

          Muslims oppose homosexuality and want gay marriage to remain illegal.
          President Obama believes gay marriage should be legalized.

          Muslims tend to believe women should obey their husbands.
          President Obama believes women should be equal to men in every way.

          Most Muslims believe that government should be based on religious principles.
          President Obama believes that government and religion should be separate.

          Muslims are required to face Mecca and pray 5 times a day.
          President Obama has never done this.

          Muslims engage in fasting during the month of Ramadan.
          President Obama has never done this.

          Muslims are forbidden to drink alcohol.
          President Obama has been known to enjoy an occasional drink.

          President Obama was baptized as a Christian, has attended Christian Church throughout his adult life, his children are baptized as Christians, he has never been known to attend religious services in a mosque, and apparently does not observe any of the main tenets of the Muslim faith.

          There are only two obvious conclusions we can draw from all this information: Either President Obama has lived his entire life, starting at birth, pretending to be a Christian just to hide his secret Muslim faith, or people who still insist that President Obama is a Muslim are morons.

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          1. jeff61b profile image90
            jeff61bposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Since the Republican Party has far more in common with the beliefs of the Muslim faith, If Obama was a secret Muslim and wanted to enact Sharia Law, he'd be a Republican.

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          2. Credence2 profile image77
            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            From the two conclusions presented in your last paragraph, I would have to lean toward your second possibility as probably the most plausible.

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            promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Fact and logic fall on deaf ears when dealing with political bigots.

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Explain BHO's wedding ring(the same one Soetoro-Obama wore when he traveled to Pakistan on an unknown passport with a male-lover, which has the words "There is no god but Allah"!

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              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Support the allegations (not facts, but allegations) that:
                It was an unknown passport (unknown, that is, to the official that checked it in)
                that it was a male lover
                that the words listed are on the ring.

                Please.  Claims are so much better for being supported by fact.

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Explain this then wiseguy! Why is BHO the ONLY U.S. President born since the ratification of our Constitution, "In the Year of Our Lord" 1787, who had an alleged and legal parent who was NEVER an American citizen?  Not only is this usurper illegal, Kenyan-born Obama is the man of lawlessness our Bible predicts and Pope Francis is his False Prophet.  Get ready for The Rapture or get ready for the UN Project 2030, FEMA camps, RFID-chips and guillotines!  Maranatha!

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                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Nice supporting documentation: another question followed by a personal interpretation of a personal religious book coupled with a known lie about the place of birth.

                    Well done!

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                    1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Grandma Sarah Obama has repeatedly claimed she was present when the turd was pooped out in Mombassa, Kenya.  Michelle is on record saying "we just visited my husband's home-country of Kenya" back when BHO was a STATE senator.  Now why on God's green earth would Illinois send a state senator to Kenya unless he really was born there?  Bill Ayer's mother referred to a young Bathhouse Barry as "that foreign kid we're helping put through college".  Obama himself stated to a overflowing lecture-hall in Illinois that "You don't have to be born here to help your community. I was born in Kenya."  On page 26 of "Dreams from My Father" BHO claims to have found his "birth certificate" with a newspaper article about Obama Senior.  Whatever happened to THAT Birth Certificate?  Why have so many experts analyzed the Hawaiian Birth Certificate on the white house website a FORGERY?
                      Why couldn't Obama log into his own stinking ACA on his stolen SSN?
                      Why did Bill Clinton once refer to this usurper as a "non-citizen"?
                      Most importantly why did Obama himself write a mini-bio for the Harvard Law Review Digest directory proudly proclaiming he was "born in Kenya"?
                      And what about the suspicious deaths of Andrew Breitbart, Joan Rivers, Tom Clancy after they revealed or were about to reveal bad things about this ANTICHRIST?

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                      1. wilderness profile image95
                        wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Hmm.  More questions and claims, still without documentation.  Still, I will answer one; my state of Idaho sent reps to Japan not too long ago, and China as well.  It doesn't need to be for some nefarious purpose, and certainly doesn't need to be to visit their homeland.

                        But I have to ask; do you understand what evidence, or proof is?  (Hint: it is not questions and it is not claims that some individual said this or that.)  (Hint #2: evidence or proof has absolutely nothing to do with the outlandish tales of your religious beliefs)

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                  2. rhamson profile image72
                    rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    If all this is true you should be jumping and rejoicing in the streets. Jesus is coming and the rapture will finally set you free from this purgatory.

                    Get real man!

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                  3. Quilligrapher profile image73
                    Quilligrapherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Greetings, once again, Mr. Prepper. Did you say “ONLY U.S. President?” Apparently, you know little about American History.

                    Chester A. Arthur, 21st President of the United States, was born October 5, 1829.  His mother was born in Vermont and his father was born in Ireland and was NOT an American citizen. {1}

                    Likewise, President Obama’s mother was an American and his Kenyan father was NOT an American citizen. Your many posts making unsubstantiated claims about his eligibility under our Constitution simply proves that you are among the remaining few on the planet to accept the truth.

                    More important, perhaps, is the fact that asking questions you can not answer is not evidence of what you know but, rather, proof of what you don’t know.
                    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg
                    {1} Howe, George F. (1966) [1935]. Chester A. Arthur, A Quarter-Century of Machine Politics. New York: F. Ungar Pub. Co.

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                    1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Chester Arthur's Irish father did become an American-citizen AFTER Chester's Canadian-birth and BHO's alcoholic-father was a British Subject before he was Kenyan.  Arthur was our first illegal-president and here again Kenyan-born, Indonesian Obama is Number Two in every sense of those words.

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                      1. Quilligrapher profile image73
                        Quilligrapherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Thank you, Mr. Prepper, for confirming that your claim President Obama was “the ONLY U.S. President” born with a non-citizen father is untrue.

                        Your reply contains two other false statements worth noting. President Obama was not born in Kenya and he is not Indonesian.  Therefore, the number of false statements in your posts support the conclusion that there is no logical reason for anyone to believe anything you post unless you can provide verifiable evidence.
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        8. Titen-Sxull profile image73
          Titen-Sxullposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I would prefer my President to be a rational minded human being who will consider facts and evidence and disregard the flawed and often morally backward advice of religious figures and imaginary man-made deities.

          In other words I'd prefer my President to have no religious faith at all.

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        9. Heidi Joy Hameed profile image61
          Heidi Joy Hameedposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The only person who knows whether or not he's Muslim is himself. I don't agree with everything he's done but he's still my president, at least for now, until the next President is elected. It's disturbing to me to watch Americans talk about what a great country they live in while they tear down the leader for no other reason than the media, the political pundits tear into him and convince the American people (who for the most part, do not learn on their own) that he's this and that. People should make up their own minds - and stick to- their principles.

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        10. Shanders profile image73
          Shandersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          You lost me at "I agree with Ben Carson" ...

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            That's okey. smile

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          2. rebekahELLE profile image85
            rebekahELLEposted 8 years agoin reply to this

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          EnglishCornerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          We shouldn't have catholics, christians, nor jews either.

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        12. Short Storiess profile image60
          Short Storiessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          This has gotta be the most stupid thing i have ever read,Islam is a peaceful religion.Allah says in quran that anyone who killed one innocent person it is as if he killed entire humanity.

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        13. migenomic profile image61
          migenomicposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          drink some green tea and chill

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Sure, I'll have a cup of tea with you.  Thank you! 

            It seems to me that Barack Obama purposely refuses to go after a real enemy, Muslim terrorists, and alternatively goes after a fictitious enemy called guns.  I believe he is incompetent as president to say the least. He doesn't make me wonder what side he is on, its pretty clear by his actions and inactions where some is expected and would be appropriate.

            Obama has demanded Congress pass tougher gun control laws. They won't, so he will pass more unconstitutional executive orders. He tries to get people to believe it is a key part to combating ISIS.  That doesn't make any sense at all.  No, a leader would say, "If you have a permit to carry, carry."   But, he would rather disarm Americans and put them in a more dangerous position while he sells weapons to Saudi Arabia and supplies ISIS with weapons.  Nice to chill with you over some tea! 

            People are more concerned with Obama's unexceptionable muslim immigration, which has proven out to cause deaths to Americans because of radical jihadist muslims.  Have you forgotten, or don't you care? 


            http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12818123.jpg

            What a character he is without character!  A deceiver of many.
            President Obama’s Failed Leadership in His War on Words (and “Thugs”)
            http://aclj.org/national-security/presi … -and-thugs

            President Obama is wed to this nuke deal that he and Kerry cooked up, he is griping it so tightly that he won’t do anything to stop Iran because he’s afraid it will jeopardize the nuke deal. Meanwhile the Middle East is going to Hell in a hand basket, or on a flying carpet very quickly.
            Lt. Col Ralph Peters

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        14. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          If you believe that, then you don't believe in the Constitution.

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            My Esotericposted ... "If you believe that, then you don't believe in the Constitution."

            Where is the logic?   That really makes no sense at all.  Evidently, it hasn't occurred to you that I am a patriot who defends the Constitution.   roll

            Maybe you might want to Goggle "Obama's unconstitutional actions"?  Wow!  Maybe Google how the Supreme Court is striking down Obama's unconstitutional over-reaches.

            "We the people" need an interested leader, on our side. 

            The recent Philadelphia police officer shooting was a jihadi attack.  A terror attack within the United States, and we get no statement from the White House.  Silence! ... But, Obama did say he will stand with the Muslims, didn't he?  I guess he doesn't lie all the time.   Page 26 "The Audacity of Hope".

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            1. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              If you have to ask, Colorfulone, then it is clear you have read (or understood) the Constitution.  To educate yourself, you need to read Article VI about "No Religious Test".

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              My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              As to this, "Evidently, it hasn't occurred to you that I am a patriot who defends the Constitution" I would argue you are that in your own mind, but not in reality.  Your rhetoric clearly suggests the opposite even though you might think it is.

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        15. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Since, Colorfulone, you produced a litany of lies, I will counter with a slow drip of an equal number of truths.

          Did PBO say "My Muslim Faith"  No, that is an artifact of people like you cutting and editing to make it seem so. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/truth- … oom-floor/

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          1. My Esoteric profile image86
            My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Again, Colorfulone, you pass on a 1/3 truth without the context regarding funding historic buildings (which include mosques) - the truth is http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/fundin … -overseas/

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              So, you didn't do a fact check on FactCheck yet, like I suggested in another thread?  I suggested doing a fact check on the people who own and operate FactCheck too. - Ohwell, enjoy factcheck!  wink

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          2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            BHO the POS said "My Mooselimb faith." during an interview by George Stephanopolis.  The First Ladyboy said "my husband's home-country of Kenya" and Bathhouse Barry has repeatedly stated "I was born in Kenya".  There is only one truth and that truth will never change.  Kenyan-born Obama IS The Antichrist.

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        16. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          One by one your lies fall to the truth, Colorfulone.

          As to PBO saying "He will stand with Muslims".  As every thinking person knows, he NEVER said that or wrote it in his book.  What he DID write is this:

          "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

          In other words, he will "stand with  Arab and Pakistani Americans" should America's racism build to such an extent as to endanger there lives.

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            There you go again. lol  That list was copied and pasted on the thread, its all over the internet.  I didn't write that list...maybe they are your lies...that would make as much sense as what your saying for Pete's sake.  Keep on propagating it, you own it now.  See how that works? 

            Its a nice list though...check each item out for yourself...but avoid FactCheck and the like because they are liberal biased.
            Thank you, I am blessed.  -  Peace

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            1. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              But you propagate it and therefore take ownership of it; so they become YOUR lies, Colorfulone.

              And the only "bias" Fact Check has is for the truth; it is a well trusted source by those who think for themselves.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                You give me the chuckles...I like it when you do that.   wink
                Here is a chuckle for you m'dear.  Enter the Twilight Zone!

                http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12826579.png

                Okey, I'm seeing how it works in your mind.  wink
                It sounds like "taqiyyah" but its _______ .

                http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12826599.jpg

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                1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                  Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  OUR Anti-American Muslim President named Barrack Obama Perfomed nothing less than a "MIRACLE" to RESCUE the United States from a Catastrophic Republican George W Bush Tenure, a tenure in which Bush, Dick Cheney & Donald Rumsfeld almost Destroyed our Economy & the Middle East ~

                  So, if given the choice between a Brilliant Muslim President like Barrack Obama, or a Radical Backward Idiot Christian President like George W Bush, I'd take Obama every time ~   

                  OUR Planet EARTH Evolving into a Gigantic  "Uninhabitable Rock" as a result of Extreme Climate  Change which we are experiencing RIGHT Now, is indeed the most Pressing Problem that needs IMMEDIATE Attention ~

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    What do you make of the Scientific Satellite Data that measures earth's temperature?  For the past 18 years and 8 months the Satellite Data shows that there has been a "record pause" in earth's temperature.

                    http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12828077.jpg

                    The political agenda of Democrats were the same with Climate Cooling, and with Global Warming, but those tactics didn't work out because they could be easily disproved as BS.  .

                    Now, they have the perfect political tool called "Climate Change" which cannot be disproved because the climate is always changing...but the agenda is still the same.  How do you explain that?   I'm at a lose.

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                    1. colorfulone profile image77
                      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Global Research  "Ten facts about climate change"
                      LAYING TEN GLOBAL WARMING MYTHS
                      http://www.globalresearch.ca/copenhagen … ange/16467

                      http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12834488.jpg

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                      1. My Esoteric profile image86
                        My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Since weather doesn't rapidly change as you would like with your useless 18 year look, one has to observe of the long-term like 500, 1,000, 10,000 years or so to make any sense of it.  See http://hubpages.com/education/Science-D … armer-2221 if you want charts and analysis.

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                      2. My Esoteric profile image86
                        My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        I have seen similar research, but a quick search of the Internet provides proof that each one of those claims is either, false, misleading, and not based on good science by real climatologists.

                        But, since you don't believe it, I have some nice ocean-front property you can buy for the long-term.

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        17. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Another of your regurgitation of the vomit from the Right is a lie as well.  In this case "Egyptian Foreign Minister that - "I am a Muslim." -- This is a fabrication by G. Gordon Liddy and Pamela Geller and is based on ... nothing.  Just like there is no footage of thousands of Muslims cheering the destruction of the twin towers, there is zero, null, nada documentation that Gheit ever said such a thing.  And since you can't prove a negative, which the Right-wing filth-flingers count on, you can't prove Gheit DIDN"T say it, its up to the accusers to PROVE that Gheit DID say it ... and they haven't because there is none.


          See the admittedly Left-wing rag, http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/06/16 … a-a/166299

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        18. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          When you report that " IT WAS OBAMA who bowed in submission before the Saudi King.", did you mean "IT WAS W BUSH who bowed in submission before the Saudi King." or "IT WAS CLINTON who bowed in submission before the Japanese Emperor"?.

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Here you go m'dear....you decide what you see on this YouTube video.  The WH said it wasn't a bow that Obama was giving the short king a double handshake....but, it looks like a bow to me from difference angles.  It is what it is!  (shrug).  It also shows when G Bush kissed the king's hand. 
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CseUglupmZk

            (saudi king gave obama gold as a gift)
            http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12827723.png

            http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12827727.jpg
            Saudi king showered Obamas with $1.3 million in gifts in 2014

            http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12827751.jpg

            Does bowing to a king prove loyalty to the king?   The answer is YES. 
            I wouldn't bow to that evil king...I would get beheaded first. 

            It has been reported that Saudi Arabia paid for Obama's college, but that's another story worth looking into if you are interested in digging for info.   Saudi Prince Paid for Obama's Harvard Law Education.  It has also been reported that Saudi Arabia help fund Obama campaigns...It is also interesting how Iranian born, senior advisor Valerie Jarrett ties into things...money and power. 
            The Truth About Valerie Jarrett, Mystery Woman of the White House
            http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magaz … ite-House/


            U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services announced Tuesday that it will no longer require incoming U.S. citizens to declare that they will bear arms on behalf of the United States, as stipulated in the Oath of Allegiance.

            We allow illegal aliens to jump fences and receive free health care, educations, food stamps, and Obamaphones. Now we tell naturalized citizens that it is not necessary to defend their new home if asked to do so. What next?
            http://armored-column.com/new-citizens- … bama-says/

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            1. Live to Learn profile image60
              Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Looking at that picture I would assume someone had dropped something and a couple of guys were looking down at it. Not that someone was bowing.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I try telling all my Republican friends that there must have been a penny on the floor or an issue of a lost contact lens and that they just don't understand nuances. But it doesn't matter.  wink

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                1. Live to Learn profile image60
                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I think if Obama was the evil, underhanded, muslim jihadist usurper that you are attempting to paint him as we'd have some clear evidence. Most of this stuff is debunked pretty easily with a search for information that is open minded and decent hearted.

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            2. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Richard Black served in the US Marine Corps and retired as a Colonel in the Judge Advocate General (JAG) corps before being elected to the Virginia legislature. He maintains that the Assad government is effectively fighting against Islamic State and protecting the remaining Christians of Syria. Its fall, he says, would allow IS to quickly seize Jordan and Lebanon, and continue its drive westward.

              “I believe that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are the two greatest dangers to world peace. It is Saudi Arabia, through the Wahhabist doctrine, that is spreading terrorism across the globe. It’s not Iran, it’s not Syria or any other country.”

              (Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan)  “Erdogan has a dream of becoming a new Ottoman Empire. He’s a very calculating, very vicious individual and, I think, a great danger. Erdogan won an absolute majority of the Turkish parliament, which will enable him to rewrite the constitution. Once he had that total power to impose an absolute dictatorship – which he intends to do – and he publicly said that his model is that of Adolph Hitler.”

              At its height in the 16th and 17th centuries, the Ottoman Empire encompassed southeast Europe, western Asia, the Caucasus, North Africa and the Horn of Africa. During World War I, the Ottoman Empire declared a military jihad on France, Russia, and Great Britain, but ultimately lost.

              The Adolph Hitler comment Black referred to comes from an interview back in January when Erdogan told journalists that he wanted to transform his office into a US-style executive “super-presidency,” through constitutional reforms.

              “In a unitary system (such as Turkey’s) a presidential system can work perfectly,” said Erdogan, according to Agence France-Presse. “There’s already examples in the world and in history. You can see it when you look at Hitler’s Germany.”

              After that analogy caught news headlines, the president’s office said in a statement that it was “unacceptable” to interpret Erdogan’s remarks as endorsement of Nazism.

              “Our president…has declared that the Holocaust and anti-Semitism, along with Islamophobia, are crimes against humanity,” a press statement read, adding that Hitler’s Germany "had disastrous consequences” for the political system and could not be held up as a model.

              RT: https://www.rt.com/usa/328590-senator-s … ey-threat/
              RT Video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBTH1O_pIvE
              Wahhabist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

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                jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                It would seem, Susie, that Dick Black's "....strong Conservative views, both fiscally and socially..." (Wikipedia) and "Wahhabism" are not very dissimilar.   Both put ultra conservative, extremist views out to the world and expect others to take on their extremist views.

                But I can see clearly why those video clips would be attractive to you, Susie.

                When you give the slightest lip-service to any extreme political or religious message, you need to be very careful.  They are likely to turn around and bite the hand that feeds them.

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                1. colorfulone profile image77
                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks for the advise.
                  This is interesting: LGBT in Islam:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

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                    jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes, and it is clearly a cultural matter, not based solely in their religion.  Otherwise every Muslim country would have the same laws.
                    Similarly with Christian countries.  Some accept the freedom of expression and companionship, supporting LGBT relationships.  Others don't.  It's a cultural matter, not religious.  Therefore, you cannot apply extreme laws to all of mankind as fanatical religious people would want to do.

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                  2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                    Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Remember the old Ray Stevens song "Everything is Beautiful" and the lyrics "There are none so blind as those who will not see." That explains those who insist there is another way to Heaven besides faith in the blood of Christ.

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                      jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      On the bridle of a cart horse there are what we call "blinkers."   They give the horse such a narrow view of the world that it ignores anything else beyond.   
                      I guess you don't want to be tempted, Sgt., but it's a wonderful world out here.  Try looking sometime.

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                    2. colorfulone profile image77
                      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Obama thinks Islam is beautiful, but its not!   
                      It is a Beautiful World though!

                      Its true salvation is through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 

                      However, I am included to believe God looks on the heart of man, and when the heart is ready and open to the essence of the Spirit of God, that a spiritual experience can and does happen without the knowledge of the Gospel.  That is Scriptural, and that, they are better off not knowing the Word of Truth.  - So! Maybe, we should back off?

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              2. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12837141.jpg

                It amazes me when people don't want to discus my posts, but they seem to get upset because I don't want to waste my time talking about nonsense.   roll  Some things just don't matter I guess! 

                Oh look, Obama dropped a penny. Oh, well!  lol

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Why do you persist in circulating these silly hoax photos?   We all know you are fanatically anti-Obama.

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                2. Live to Learn profile image60
                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Considering the fact that much of what you post appears to be fear mongering disinformation laced with a great deal of prejudice I don't think it is difficult to see why much of it isn't taken seriously enough to discuss.

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        19. Niamhbells13 profile image59
          Niamhbells13posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Wow. I think people are forgetting he is a muslim. Are you so wrapped up in you little 'superior' christian mind that you think only a christian can run the country.  You know the gun laws. Those laws are cause of  hundreds, possibly thousands of deaths and out of all the presidents the US has had no one was bothered to change the gun. He is the first one to change them slightly. Also, he is in politics, he knows how to run a country. I would like you to stand up , run the US an then be re-elected. I am not a muslim and i am certainly not defending IS.  Just realise that he wouldn't have been re-elected if these things were true. And he has done a much better job than you would have been able to do. BTW i am an atheist brit

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you for sharing your great wealth of knowledge and insight.

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          2. Credence2 profile image77
            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for weighing in on this Niamhbells13, my sentiments, exactly....

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        20. StephanieWascha profile image68
          StephanieWaschaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Personally, I can't agree with Ben Carson on... well, anything.

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Have you ever read anything about Dr. Ben Carson?...because there is a lot to agree with him on for anybody.  He is a good man! 

            Obama Administration sources told CNN that Iran's detention of American military personnel is "not a hostile" act.

            Unfathomable!

            Friends, I'm afraid the Obama Administration has chosen to side with our enemies.

            What do you think?

            ADDED:  The 10 sailors are being held by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard - 9 male, 1 female

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              The mere fact Dr. Ben Carson recognizes the seventh-day of the week(Saturday) as the day-of-rest should be a major clue as to his overall brilliance.  The Sabbath starts at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday evening.  Antichrist Obama & False Prophet Pope Francis WILL make the Sunday-Sabbath the law of the whole world because they hate Jews many of which are not Luciferian.

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              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Interesting.  With the calendar changes throughout the millenia, as well as not knowing what the calendar at the time said, how can YOU tell what day of the week it should be?

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  When it is the seventh-day of the week it is time to rest.  Sunday is the first-day of the week.

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                2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Interesting: why does the Roman Catholic Church(the Great Whore of Babylon) command its followers to honor Sunday?

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                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    "Sunday is the first-day of the week."

                    Because you say so?  Because that's how American calendars (most of them, anyway) are arranged?  Or because you have traced back the days of the week to biblical times and counted the weeks?

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                  2. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Why ask me?  But I assume it is because that particular church thinks it has traced back the days.  Have you, or are you just making guesses?

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                    1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      God established the Seventh-day Sabbath.  Constantine and the Catholics changed it to Sunday the first a day of the week.  Even if Saturday isn't really Saturday recognizing Sunday as the Sabbath is rebellion.  Kenyan-born Obama will ALWAYS be the Antichrist & Pope Francis his False Prophet.  Allah is just another name for the devil.

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            2. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I have no doubt he is a good man and was the best at what he did, saving many lives in the process.  But that does not qualify him to be President.

              While you are right, there are a few things he stands for that I agree with, the death penalty for example.  But his comment about Muslims (among many other things) shows me he does not have an inkling of what the Constitution and this Nation is all about.

              I have recently finished books on James Madison and Thomas Jefferson and have listened to many lectures on the founding of America as seen through various lens.  There were many in those formative days that thought like Carson vis-a-vis the superiority of Christianity over any other religion.  Many wouldn't have minded a theocracy like a few of the states had become.  Both Jefferson and Madison fought very hard weed out the religious aspects of Virginia's gov't and to avoid support of any kind to the the established brand of Protestantism that was popular there. 

              I forget which media I heard/read it in (I think it was James Madison's biography) but Jefferson went so far as to put Muslims, by name, on equal footing with any other religion to hold a federal office (or one in Virginia).

              If Carson had been at the Constitutional Convention, he would have been appalled at what he heard regarding where religion ought to stand in politics (it shouldn't)   I would think he would have fought hard against the ratification of the Constitution.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Thomas Jefferson, who wrote in 1813: “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. … In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.” 

                He was talking about the Catholic Church which made/makes false claims of being Christians.  "Christians" get a bad name mostly because of the evil doings of the Catholic Church throughout history.  The Catholics were always trying to destroy the Protestants, who fought back for their lives...

                Anti-Catholicism is an interesting read in history.  Seems forever the Pope has been called the antichrist because of the false doctrines and lack of Christ being the Cornerstone of the Church as in the Bible.

                But, Obama likes to bring Pope Francis into politics.  (shrug).  No surprise. 

                Also interesting to read about in history is where primarily Protestant government forces were in opposition with the United States. Great Britain comes to mind.  We can learn a lot from history and how things evolve and why.  --  Thanks!

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                1. Live to Learn profile image60
                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I suppose the use of the word priest in that quote makes you think Catholic. There were enough examples in the colonies of Protestant sects causing trouble and attempting to legislate their brand of religion to know that Jefferson was not referring solely to the Catholic church.

                  Interestingly enough, the Baptists were big on pushing for full separation of church and state. I suppose because they were a minority sect at the time and had suffered some persecution at the hands of some of the larger protestant sects.

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Thank you for sharing that...history is interesting and important.  Its too bad that so much of it gets written to cover up the truth for the groups who wrote it in many instances.  Who knows how many lies we believe individually and collectively because we've been programmed since we were born.   

                    I have to wonder what it will read like for my grand children and the generations to come...because of scandals, schemes, con jobs and hidden secrets of event, etc.  I do care.

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                    1. Live to Learn profile image60
                      Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      If you do care, read up on American history so you don't assume the Catholics are the scourge of the New World.  I realize many would like to believe that everything was Christian, Christian Christian. It just isn't so.  I think the whole thing was that many understood (because they had intimate knowledge) that any religious sect, given the opportunity to govern would do so in a tyrannical manner; by the observation of any under their authority who weren't of that particular sect.

                      Think about Christ. He didn't seek to change the Roman empire He sought to appeal to the individual heart.  Why is that, in your opinion? Why did he not seek to join the Roman senate and enact laws?

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                      1. colorfulone profile image77
                        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Because God looks on the heart of man.   Maybe read the Bible if you have many unanswered questions. 

                        Its good to read 3 or 4 different versions at one time (or more), with a Thesaurus, and a Hebrew and Greek Bible dictionary (I prefer the Strong's Concordance Lexicon). 

                        I have been a student of the Bible for many, many years.

                        World Order isn't the Catholic Church's idea.  But, any attempt to create it a NWO by men is going to fail terribly in the end.  The kingdom of God is yet to come, and it will be as in the days of paradise in the Garden of Eden according to Scripture.  But, people don't care about that.  Watch, someone is going to jump all over me for saying that on this thread.  I can just heard demons screaming now.  tongue

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                      jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      "Who knows how many lies we believe individually and collectively because we've been programmed since we were born."   Have you been polishing your mirror, Susie?

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                      1. Live to Learn profile image60
                        Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        'Programmed since we were born'. I think it's funny when a religious person whose bought into it hook, line and sinker starts talking about others being programmed.

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                      2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                        Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Some truthful statements for your consideration: 
                        Abortion is the intentional taking of innocent human-life for selfish reasons.
                        Same-sex marriages can never be consummated.
                        Global-warming is the biggest lie since evolution.
                        Bernie Sanders was once a dual-citizen with Israel.
                        Oswald WAS a "patsy".
                        The following men were never " natural-born" citizens: Cruz, Rubio, McCain, Obama, Jindahl & Chester Arthur.
                        Kenyan-born Obama is the Antichrist & this goofy Jesuit pope is his False Prophet.
                        Allah is just another name for the devil.
                        Can you handle the truth?

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            3. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Why are they being held?  There are valid reasons to hold people in a country, you know, that have nothing to do with being a hostile act.  Saeed comes to mind.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Sorry, I got kind of busy, still am, but...
                Here's a link to a blog.  https://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/ … n-sailors/

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            4. Alternative Prime profile image57
              Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              In REALITY, Dr Ben Carson is a Delusional "Book Peddler" who according to reports, admits he is Mentally Unstable and or Un-Sound ~ Pathological DISEASE to be more precise ~ He ACTUALLY Compared ObamaCare to "Nazi Germany"......Very Delusional ~ sad

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              jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Maybe a payback for Guantanamo.

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            6. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You do know, don't you, that OUR boats wandered INTO IRANIAN waters.  And, Iran has already said they are being returned.

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            7. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Maybe you ought to listen to real news instead of the blogsphere or Right-wing talking heads, so that you can pass on the truth, not wishful thinking on your side.

              What do you think?

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        21. faith-hope-love profile image72
          faith-hope-loveposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I am not a US citizen but have a great liking for most U S of A people I meet. But Is it not time to Stop these lies about Obama. Check your sources and you will find that a lot of these things attributed to him did not originate from him. Please Cease and desist from the misinformation. Obama may go down  as one of your greatest Presidents. A man of great integrity.

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        22. MikeSyrSutton profile image69
          MikeSyrSuttonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I agree and admire your guts!

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        23. Ryan Daniel Smith profile image56
          Ryan Daniel Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I chuckle thinking about how much money this person made by just being controversial. Every time I log onto Hubpages, I see this thing. Wildfire spreads faster I guess.

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It sure is a laugh Ryan!   Watching all this curffufle from outside of the country, it amazes me that the United States, out of all the 1000s upon 1000s of really capable men and women, in all fields of learning, can't come up with a more worthy selection of people from which to choose a President.
            There are so many criticisms of President Obama, mostly from the ulterior motives of your "far right," yet he beats them all in my honest opinion.....if I am indeed allowed to have an opinion.

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            1. wrenchBiscuit profile image66
              wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12857928.jpg

              Yes , it is quite entertaining. It appears that "We The People" are getting exactly what they deserve.  They have a choice between a narcissistic racist , a career criminal, or an old white guy with good ideas who'll probably have a heart attack before he hits the home stretch.

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                jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Haha! Do you mean these two in the photo are in the running as well?
                Such dear souls they would take everyone for a ride!

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          2. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Ryan, I'm glad to that you get the chuckles over this forum thread, me too.  Keep your sense of humor and it will carry you through life on a much happier note. 

            War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

            Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception.

            In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

            We have sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of the intelligent men.

            ~ George Orwell

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        24. cfin profile image66
          cfinposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          You're entitled to your opinion and faith, as are all individuals in any free society. I'm glad you agree with me.

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            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Can a Muslim be a good American?

            This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

            "Theologically - no, because his allegiance is to Allah.
            Religiously - no, because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Qur'an 2:256).
            Scripturally - no, because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Qur'an.
            Geographically - no, because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
            Socially - no, because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
            Politically - no, because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders) who teach the annihilation of Israel and the destruction of America, the great Satan.
            Domestically - no, because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat his wife when she disobeys him (Qur'an 4:34).
            Intellectually - no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
            Philosophically - no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Qur'an does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist!

            Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic Spiritually - no, because when we declare 'one nation under God,' we are referring to the Christian's God and not Allah.

            Therefore, after much study and deliberation, perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans/Canadians; they cannot and will not integrate into the great melting pot of America.

            The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. Muslims everywhere have said they will destroy us from within."

            Time to stop the political correctness.  smile   God bless! 

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              jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Still looking for website WrongAlerts .....lol

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        25. Ralph Deeds profile image65
          Ralph Deedsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Total crapola!

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          1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            His NAME and MARK Revealed ANTICHRIST 666 The Mark Of The Beast. In Hebrew vav-vav-vav(666) is www and looks like the symbol for MONSTER drink. Release the beast!
            Kenyan-born Obama is the Antichrist & Jesuit Pope Francis is his False Prophet.

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              jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              More crapola.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                No more crapola, please.  roll  You are too generous.
                Overflowing....see! ... but, look at this! 

                Notice who's missing?
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                The US as sunk to #11 under the Obama Administration.  sad 
                Worst president ever!

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You might find the "problems" facing your country are brought about by the people of your country, not by your President. 
                  If there are many people like yourself, all blaming The President, or the Government, or the Council, or The Governor, or.....anything/anyone but your self and your own attitude to living, then maybe we are looking at the real causes of your country's decline - and its problems!
                  Blame your neighbour, your politicians, your business people, the weather, the wind, the Muslims, the ethics....so, so convenient to pass the buck.  How about blaming blind, head-in-the-sand religion and belief systems for the difficulties you are facing?
                  Even if your current President is lax in some way, you cannot hold him responsible for retrogressive actions by people in Congress or Big Business....selfishness can come from many different quarters.  Just try to make sure you personally don't fall into that category.  If a million people did the same, that would have an enormous positive influence on your country's welfare.

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        26. reza81 profile image68
          reza81posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I can't agree with you. If Obama patronized Muslims, what's wrong with that? Are Muslims terrorist? Is this religion encouraging terrorism? Indeed not. In every religion you will get some fanatic, it doesn't mean everyone of that religion is fanatic or terrorist. I advise you to read the Qur'an and other religious books. It will help you to eliminate your misconceptions about Islam. Thanks a lot.

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Reza, I can listen to what you say and, if I did know what was in the Qur'an, I could agree with you or not agree with you, but to read through that book would take me a very long time at the rate I normally read.

            Instead, I prefer to regard you as a sincere and genuine human being.  I am prepared to accept that you are not in any way aligned with any of the extreme fanatics who claim to be practising Islam.

            If I am to be encouraged to continue seeing you in this light, it would help to hear some outright condemnation coming from you and a lot of other "moderate" Muslim people.   How about coming out loud and clear, that you reject that extremism; that you reject the teachings of so-called holy men, who encourage young people to strap explosives to themselves and blow themselves to smithereens?  Condemn those who cut of the heads of people in a most barbaric, blood-thirsty, unforgiving act.   Condemn those who mutilate women's bodies in order to lower their enjoyment of sex. 

            Come out and clearly encourage other Muslim people like yourself to condemn cruelty and backward-thinking laws.  Then I can gladly welcome you as a brother.....if I am not rejected for being of no "faith" at all.   I call for the same reasonable thinking and actions from extremist people of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, any religion at all.   We are all human with the same basic needs and the world needs us to join hands in learning to live in unity.

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          2. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I read the Qur'an and reference it from time to time.  I even read the Communist Bible.  Different religions cannot be understood without reading the text of what they believe.   Not much difference there. Is it a wonder they get along so well?

            Added:
            The man believed to be responsible for a bloody machete attack on the "Nazareth Deli" in Columbus - is identified as Mohammad Barry. 4 people were injured - one critically.

            CBS News reports he has a Somali background and recently visited Dubai. Their sources also indicate the incident is a hallmark of a lone-wolf attack.

            The owner of the restaurant is an Israeli-Christian.
            Police say they believe the attack is a random act of violence.
            Nothing to see here, folks. Move along, now....

            I imagine if the events were reversed being an Israeli Christian attacking a Somali Muslim establishment would merit it front page with network coverage wall to wall.


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        27. Valeant profile image85
          Valeantposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The level of intolerance in this country has become astounding.  It's embarrassing.  We've been attacked as many times in the past ten years by religious conservatives as we have been by radicalized terrorists.

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I don't remember terrorist attacks by religious conservatives. 
            Could you share that information source?   Imagine that! 
            This is 'embarrassing'. 
            I don't believe radicalized Islamic terrorists are religious conservatives.
            lol  But, it seems anything goes on MSM now.  I don't watch it.

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            1. Valeant profile image85
              Valeantposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              The Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado is one.  Dylan Roof attacking a black church in South Carolina is two.  Wade Michael Page attacking a Sikh Temple in Wisconsin is three.

              James Holmes in Colorado - 12 dead, 58 wounded.
              Adam Lanza in Connecticut - 27 dead, 1 wounded.

              For every radicalized terrorism attack, you can find one committed by white america.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Hi VALEANT !  smile  Please, can you verify that they were religious conservatives?  I don't have time to check the facts to see if what you are saying is true or not.  This is news to me that they were religious conservatives.  I thought of them as mentally ill...which I think might be more accurate.  I don't remember hearing about any of them chanting the name of their god, or that they were affiliated with a religion or political party .  Again, I don't have time to check what you are proclaiming. 

                When it comes down to it, anyone who 'goes off' and starts killing people is mentally ill. Its a big problem in this country that doesn't seems to just select tall people with straight hair.  I don't know what the solutions are.  That's really the heart of the problem and something that needs to be addressed.  It must be a horrible life for those who commit such grievous crimes. And, for those who lose loved ones.   sad   It is saddening and maddening, and it makes me cry.

                List of Muslim Attacks in the United States: VERY LONG
                These are only attacks in which fatalities occurred.
                The history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil since 1972.
                http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attac … tacks.aspx
                What makes Islam so different? 

                "It's far easier to act as if critics of Islam have a problem with Muslims as people than it is to accept the uncomfortable truth that Islam is different."

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                1. Valeant profile image85
                  Valeantposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You seriously need proof when the Planned Parenthood attack was clearly motivated by conservative values pertaining to abortion, which is a religious issue.  And the next two attacks were attacks on religious sites?

                  The last two were proof that it's just as likely that you'll be shot by a crazy white guy than a crazy muslim guy.

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Abortion is a moral issue, it is not a religious issue.   You'll have to do better with your "proof".  Planned Parenthood promotes a culture of death.
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                    I will not publish the latest highly-graphic and disturbing video released by the Islamic State which once again shows America and the world what the terror group plans to do in order to create their caliphate.

                    This gruesome video, warns President Obama about coming strikes against the U.S.

                    “We will kill, slaughter and burn your people. Inshallah, we will attack you very soon,” warns the narrator in the video.

                    The Obama Administration has previously labeled ISIS as simply a “JV” team who has been "contained", but they continue to show that they are first squad barbaric killers who pay no attention to political rhetoric.

                    Remain Vigilant, Eyes Open, Saves Lives, Report any suspicious activity.

                    Support S.2230, the Muslim Brotherhood Terrorist Designation Act of 2015 sponsored by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and H.R. 3892, its counterpart in the House of Representatives (introduced by Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, FL-25), which would make it a crime for anyone in the U.S. to provide material support to the Muslim Brotherhood, and allow the Treasury Department to force banks to block financial transactions related to the Brotherhood.

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                    1. Valeant profile image85
                      Valeantposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      We will agree to disagree that abortion is not a religious issue.  I, and many others, clearly believe it is.

                      I assume the rest of your post was to try and convince me that ISIS is a bigger kind of crazy.  Well, if you're using a gun to kill multiple people, I see everyone as the same kind of crazy.

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                      1. colorfulone profile image77
                        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        I do not advise anyone to find the latest video that the Islamic State made, it is graphic, and the threats they make are clear.  They blow people into pieces in the video.  This is a different kind of sick then you or I could ever imagine, Valeant.   They aren't the typical mentally ill people. 

                        The Islamic State is a Sunni Salafist jihadist group. It claims religious authority over all Muslims across the world and aspires to bring all of the Muslim-inhabited regions of the world under its political control. 
                        -  ACT for America

                        Stay safe!

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              2. Live to Learn profile image60
                Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I think it is probably unfair to compare the two.  I agree terrorism is terrorism, all types equally bad. However, many Islamic terrorists make a point of insisting it is done in the name of Allah. I don't remember hearing of any of the ones you have referenced making a point of ensuring we all understood their acts of violence were in the name of any god.

                It can certainly be argued that the Islamic terrorists are not following Islam and that their claims of acting in the name of that god are not  valid. But, they did say it so we if we can't blame Islam we can certainly blame their interpretation of it.  We could only blame the actions of domestic terrorists on their religion if they make a stated claim of having been driven to the violence by religious beliefs.

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        28. ibbarkingmad profile image59
          ibbarkingmadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          One's religion does not determine eligibility for a secular governmental position. Your argument is fear based and reflects no understanding of the religion of Islam. When you say Muslim you think only of a narrow group of people that you don't truly understand. Islam has nearly as many denominations as Christianity. Islam has been a major contributor towards science, mathematics, art, and philosophy. While the Catholic church was destroying the writings of Greek and Roman philosophers the people of Islam were preserving them. The first nation to recognize the United States as a nation was a Muslim nation, Morocco. They did it even before France. To stereotype a group of people taking up nearly a quarter of the world's population is fear based thinking. And even those that are hostile to the United States have good reason to be since we as a nation have been meddling in their lives and causing havoc for over a hundred years. If some foreign power showed up at your home, overthrew your government, destabilized your nation, killed your family or sold weapons to your enemies on the cheap, or anything like that, you would hate them too. Anger and hate perpetuates this crap. If you are truly Christian then you will reexamine your views because Christ told us to love others, to turn the other cheek, to be peace makers. I am Christian. I AM NOT liberal. I am a historian. I am on the side of humanity. I am for peace, but peace cannot happen while we justify hating each other for being different. I am in favor of defending ourselves from aggressors, but I am also in favor of others defending themselves from our aggression as a nation. Our policies need to change because our government has been doing some nasty, horrible things for the last 100 years in the name of the people of this nation. A patriot loves his nation but does not support bad behavior on the part of his or her government.

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            "When you say Muslim you think only of a narrow group of people that you don't truly understand." 

            Oh no, I do not think that way.   I take a stand against radicalized Islamic terrorists who chop of heads, commit mass shootings to murder people, etc.  I hope you do too,... if so, we agree. 

            I have long time friends who are Muslim, and they are good law abiding citizens who believe in working to support their families and are productive members of society.  The word "friends" is one I don't use lightly.

            May the Lord, help us to be instruments of love and reconciliation.   Amen.

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        29. rahmat54146 profile image40
          rahmat54146posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          not all muslim is extremimis

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          1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The Brussels attack occurred on 3/22 and 322 is Skull&Bones significant number.  3/22, 4/19, 5/1, 9/11 & 10/31 are Luciferian holidays which REQUIRE blood-sacrifices. Devil-worshippers called The Illuminati(Skull&Bones, CIA, Bohemian Grove, Jesuits, Freemasons, etc) control Islam and are using it to destroy the western world. THAT is why they put a Moslem in our White House to destroy America.  Sad to say, but birther-Trump IS our last and best hope to stop this.
            www.threeworldwars.com

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Good morning, Sgt.   Your reminders have brought me to study about the "Jacobin Illuminati"...I'm just getting into it, but thought that you might find this interesting reading material as well. 

              Sample:  (How the bankers took over the World)

              "Many writers and historians agree with Washington and have concluded that the power behind the Jacobin Club was in fact the Illuminati. In this respect, I have already shown that the connection between Weishaupt and Robespierre -a key figure in the creation of the Jacobin Club- is an historical fact (see chapter 4: Adam Weishaupt and the Bavarian Illuminati). In regards to the Illuminati in America, it is well documented that many Jacobins went there, and tried to stir a second revolution through various groups, known as the democratic clubs. After overthrowing King Louis XVI in France, the Jacobins sent an ambassador to America, Edmond-Charles Genêt, to build support for the French Revolution. [4] Washington preferred to keep America neutral. In fact all the Founding Fathers –except Franklin and Jefferson- were appalled by the French Revolution, for it was reckless and bloody. But Genêt was determined to involve America, even if it meant overthrowing Washington and his newly created government. A proof of the extent to which Genêt would go can be found in a letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, in which he says: “You certainly never felt the terrorism excited by Genêt in 1793. When 10,000 people in the streets of Philadelphia, day after day, threaten to drag Washington out of his house and affect a revolution in the government, or compel it to declare war in favour of the French Revolution.”"

              Judeo Masonic Blog:  http://judeo-masonic.blogspot.com/2010/ … erica.html

              I think Trump is well aware of things in present day.
              Have a wonderful day!

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              1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                MAY GOD BLESS YOU!

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                1. colorfulone profile image77
                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  God bless you too, Sgt!  Happy Easter. 

                  We have a Acts “2:16” promise for the 2016 year!
                  It is a the year of Joel 2:16.
                  Zechariah 12:10.

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                    Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Thanx4 the verses. Joel 2:16 reminds me of "Brother Love's Travellin' Salvation Show".  I have to bear 1Cor2:15-16 in mind when I read the ignorant insults of unbelievers.  We really are speaking a different language they cannot comprehend.  I also believe God wants you to vote for birther-Trump, but that's me.

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                    1. colorfulone profile image77
                      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      That is so true. 
                      2 Timothy 1:7

                      Obama Admits US is Training ISIL (ISIS)
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIPvS9Pwgg
                      Darling of Jacob Rothschilds and David Rockefeller

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              Ralph Deedsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
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        30. Ken Burgess profile image75
          Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Right, so why did we elect Obama? What were his qualifications for the job, his experience?
          Radical Muslim attack in Orlando... we need gun control laws... radical Muslim attack in Boston... bury the radical religious part of it asap.
          ISIS, Taliban, now terrorizing all of Afghanistan, Iraq, and beyond... Obama ended the wars.
          Gitmo is shut down, so all those terrorists can go back to work killing more Americans. We get it... we know where Obama's true heart lies.
          Barry Soetoro...changed his name to Barak Hussein Obama... get it...

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Obama is allowing it to happen, he knows how radical Islam rolls.  An official in Human Intelligence found out about a mosque here in the USA that was training and radicalizing muslims. He went to the mosque to confront the situation head on, ... he was arrested for a hate crime.  True story! 

            People at the night club were trying to warn the owners about the shooter before hand, because of his unhinged behavior and comments. They knew he was a muslim, but they wanted to be politically correct and not be accused of racism, so they did nothing.  Same thing with a neighbor of the shooters in San Bernardino. 

            Take our guns, get into everyone's SmartPhones, etc. are goals we see happening.  Not rounding up known radical muslims that are mentally ill ticking time bombs. 

            This PC crap has got go, and so does Barry O.

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          johnmariowposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          The first amendment to the US Consitution is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

          The Declaration of Independence states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their. Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

          We cannot ban a Muslims from running for President.

          We must not abandon the core values advocated by the Founders of our great nation. Abandoning these core values would constitute a symbolic victory for ISIS, Al Qaida and every other terrorist cell in the world.

          We are not at war with Islam.

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        32. Oztinato profile image77
          Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Obama is the kindest gentlest decent truly good president since Lincoln. What a breath of fresh air he gave to the entire world after the Bush belligerence. Obama has and will continue to go down in history as one of the best leaders in history.
          In order to blind oneself to Obamas greatness a "person" needs to adopt a thoroughly ugly racist mentality. Any bells ringing?

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Obama will go down in history as one of the worst presidents in US history.  He has not even managed a to reach 3% GDP in his two terms, not once.  Aw, the charisma is hypnotizing. The heck with the economy!

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            1. Oztinato profile image77
              Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              As I said, the only way anyone can get this wrong is by adopting a grossly racist attitude.
              Real leaders HAVE charisma.
              Fighting for health care for all proves a compassionate being.
              Extracting the USA from a useless globally unbalancing war is another great triumph.
              Fighting gun nuts with genuine emotion for victims is Ghandi like.
              Steering the USA out of the gfc back into prosperity is also astounding.
              Changing peoples hearts and minds literally around the globe is miraculous and practically messianic!

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              1. Live to Learn profile image60
                Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Is this a joke? Yes, he has charisma but there is no universal health care. What we have is a universal requirement to subsidize the health companies with negligible benefits to show for it. What we ended up with was every special interest having a say and the American people being left at the wayside without a voice.

                What war have we been extracted from? And, what conflicts are we currently engaged in? I don't think we have a major difference in the number of soldiers in harm's way now.

                Fighting gun nuts with genuine emotion is ghandi like? Hero worship may be fun but it isn't something we can all participate in when it is imagined. Genuine emotion doesn't solve problems. A realistic approach which will hold those who are the root cause responsible does. And, being a politician (therefore being in the back pocket of corporate interests) we won't see that happen. There's an old adage 'politics is acting for ugly people.' Although I think Obama is anything other than ugly he is still a politician and that is still an act.

                Who is back into prosperity? Not America. I don't blame the administration for this but I can't credit them for something that hasn't been done either.

                Changing people's hearts and minds around the globe? Examples, please. I don't see any positive effect on our enemies. Getting a noble peace prize without having gotten his feet wet in office doesn't equate to an achievement on his part. It equates to an example of why these prizes don't really mean anything.

                I don't have anything against Obama. But,I am a realist who has to roll my eyes when someone with blinders attempts to imply others are racist for simply being realistic.

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                1. Oztinato profile image77
                  Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  The right wing tea party total blindness is deafening!
                  Selective memory perhaps? War in Iraq remember? Big stoush over health care forgotten? Obama revered right around the world never happened? Human response to gun tragedy didn't occur?
                  That has to be an alzheimer size memory gap if a person has forgotten all that.
                  Tea party nonsense.

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                  1. Live to Learn profile image60
                    Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    And, those on the left's penchant for not bothering to read or their inability to comprehend the written word is renowned.

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                2. mrpopo profile image72
                  mrpopoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Well said.

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    She is one smart cookie!

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            ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            almos

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        33. Shehxad profile image61
          Shehxadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          So you think that Obama has a Muslim faith?

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            According to polls, 1 in 3 Americans think Obama is a Muslim.

            Read "FLASHBACK: Obama was 'Quit Religious In Islam'"

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            1. Shehxad profile image61
              Shehxadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              He was never a Muslim, you cannot decide somebody's faith on polls.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                You didn't read the "FLASHBACK" article that has links to documentation of Obama's Islamic religion involvement did you? Facts are facts! 

                Who is deciding someone else's faith? Polls are polls and people like to voice what they think in polls.  I did not take one of those polls, but  1/3 of Americans seem to think Obama is a Muslim.

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                1. IslandBites profile image90
                  IslandBitesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  He asked you, not the results of a poll. Take responsibility for your words (and actions).

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    I am consistent with my words and actions.
                    So are you!
                    BUT, I am aclueistic to your comment. 
                    That's normal!
                    You got my attention this time m'dear.   
                    I'll be back!   smile

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                    1. IslandBites profile image90
                      IslandBitesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                      Still no answer.




                      Also, still no answer here
                      http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/1371 … ost2827006

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          soniaa2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

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            ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Johnny ,  Except    this  post is right about ALL of what it states

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              jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              I am saddened by all this utter nonsense that you and others of your fellow country-folk keep  bringing up in HubPages.
              Bias and hatred abound.  Hypocrisy also. 
              You spread rumours around like they are proven facts.  Yet you cannot personally know whether any of them are fact.  If any of them turn out to be total lies, and you have spread those lies without any proof, then you are as guilty as if you had initiated the lies.
              A lie is the same as "bearing false witness."  It's mentioned in the Ten Commandments.   It's wrong!
              I don't trust ANY of the propaganda which you people of the "Right" put around.
              Quoting from one of your previous posts several months ago:
                Make sure you are on the right path for a start.
              Kathryn had to recant some of what she said originally:
                I have a lot of respect for Kathryn, but we can all make mistakes, unwittingly and without careful assessment.
              Finally, from Alternative Prime:


              At least one person in this discussion has his head screwed on right.

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                ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Who's really lying Johnny ?,  You almost began to make a case there ,Except you picked the wrong one to single out , Alternative Prime  , seriously ?    Let me tell you about the greatest hypocritical  faction in the entire world ;   The New  Left ! 

                History will show ,  after this plague of political correct blindness has run its course ,   that   almost every single cause of the left  is born purely  of  personally   entitled greed ,  mindless selfishness  and Marxist - Nazi dialog ,   It will show that the cause , mission and  end results of  your plague is all  pure nonsense .

                People like you and I are old enough to remember the hypocrisy of the cultural  revolution of the sixties , which actually had much in the way of  righteousness , but todays  left ;  Is totally given in to the  extreme's on the  basis of selfish entitlement , from gay marriage to  free health care , from BLM to the  free education causes  ,   from  every social , tax based program born of  the left  .  Every single cause of the left is but ------born of personal entitlement !

                Rome is falling again , the fault of the left .
                Prove me wrong .

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I do not agree with everything the "Left" does or says.  There are many people on that side of politics who are only in it to make a name for themselves.   There also many who do not have any idea of how to manage economics successfully, in a sustainable way.  They spend money like it's water from the clouds, yet never consider how to replenish the reservoir and plan for tomorrow. 

                  Converse to that, I cannot agree with the selfishness which pervades capitalistic politics either.  Where those associated with business consider themselves to be immune to the basic ethics of fairness and honesty.  They steam-roller over anyone who gets in their way, drive countless millions to starvation and poverty, ride around in swanky vehicles and aircraft, drive reporting by the mass media in any direction which suits their ulterior motives.  Then they get up in front of the same media and try to convince us they are "good Christian people."   

                  Who is lying, you ask?   Anyone who puts their own selfish wants before the genuine life-sustaining  needs of their neighbours. 

                  What is it with you, saying same-gender marriage is selfish?   Why is it so bad for two persons who love each other to live in the same house together, sleep in the same bed together?   Who are YOU to make such judgment?   Two people who contribute to society, pay their taxes, work hard, nurture children, very often in much more meaningful and caring family lives than many heterosexual partnerships.   They are no more selfish than anyone else in society.  So don't muddy the waters here with that sick, ignorant prejudice. 

                  Health care for those who are most in need is a fine and essential requirement of a civilised society.  But you watch who goes into the local government hospital or care facility, hoping for a free handout.  It's not the down-and-out that clutter the service.  It's those who could and can afford to pay, but greedily jump on the band wagon.   Who places greatest strain upon the Emergency Department?  It's those who don't care to drive on the roads with caution, but expect someone to pick them up and treatment after drunken partying....i.e., those who can afford to do so.

                  There are many arguments, I know.  Not all that I have said here is without question.   I can be in error, like any one else.   But I don't hear much genuine good sense being discussed here regarding the politics of your country or mine.   Adversarial politics and legal proceedings don't make for a better world.  They hold us back.   Let's get back to work.....which I must do now.  It's late morning and lots to do for the local environment.

                  By the way, as an after-thought, if Rome should fall, that might be a good thing.  Hypocrisy knows no bounds when it comes to religion.

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      14. psycheskinner profile image83
        psycheskinnerposted 8 years ago

        It was also Obama who was and is a lifelong church-going Christian.  As if that matters.  Citizens come from all religions and none, and are all Constitutionally eligible to become President if the people elect them.  Anyone trying to stop that from happening basically doesn't agree with democracy.

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        1. Misfit Chick profile image74
          Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Well said. Christians continually insist that this nation was founded on Christianity and it should stay that way. No, our founding fathers gave us Freedom of Religion to FREE PEOPLE from the bondage they put people in - at least, from a government perspective.

          "The clergy ... believe that any portion of power confided to me [as President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion."

          Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800.

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          1. GlendaGoodWitch profile image87
            GlendaGoodWitchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The foundation of this country was Christian.   That's what made it great.  I am from a none Christian country and believe me,  American women who have hatred towards Christianity don't know what they are doing.   You think you want to live around Muslim men?

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            1. Misfit Chick profile image74
              Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Oh please! The lives of Christian women have been just as curtailed by Christian men as Muslim men have been to Muslim women. It is religions, in general, that are misogynistic. MAYBE you don't see things this way very often anymore; but 'the place' of men in the home and for women to be submissive is ingrained within Christianity. The only difference is - most Christian women don't realize it because they have been TAUGHT to be so submissive and meek and blah, blah, blah...

              If you are not from this country, then you have your information wrong and need to do your research about the good 'ol US of A. The quote I gave was by Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding forefathers. Why in the WORLD would he say something like that along with many other things like it? He wrote our Declaration of Independence.

              Yeah, do your research and stop believing what people tell you to believe. 'Christians' have obviously gotten ahold of you. smile

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              1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                ABSOLUTETLY Correct Misfit Chick ~

                If any CONservative Republican is interested in Discovering the Truth, he/she needs to READ Genesis ~ A Grouping of paragraphs which in PART, describe Male Superiority, a Christian Belief which is translated to Politics today by the Christian Right Wing of the Bible Belt ~

                Read it and Discover why Jeb Bush, Dr. Wacko Carson, Mutt Romney, Paul Ryan and all other republicans refuse to ALLOW Women's Rights to Flourish here in America by Suppressive Congressional Actions ~ Republicans try to QUASH Equal Pay for Women, REDUCE Women's Health Care Choices by Attempting to DE-Fund Planned Parenthood etc, Create Tax-Payer Funded Republican Led Congressional Committees Designed Explicitly to Target WOMEN Presidential Candidates such as Hillary etc ~

                This is one Reason why a Gigantic WALL  reaching our MOON needs to be constructed to separate Religion from the White House & Congress ~

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            2. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You do understand don't you, Glenda, that the original Pilgrims, under Winthrope were Puritans, one of the most exclusive, intolerant groups proto-America has ever known.  You know, the ones responsible for the Salem Witch hangings. Is that the Christians you hold your allegiance to?

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              1. Misfit Chick profile image74
                Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I'm not so sure they did much 'country developing', but the groups that survived (Jamestown didn't) sure helped the population grow; and they also get credit for first contact with indigenous Indian tribes. Apparently, they did Okay at first... I'm not sure at what point 'our country' decided that they were useless, savage bands of Humans. I mean, I seriously doubt any of those original, beginning colonies would have survived without 'those savages'. And those savages were not Christian - they were already here with their own set of well-developed (and much older) spiritual beliefs. What did good Christian men end up doing to them?

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Our Constitution was ratified "In the Year of Our Lord" 1787 and says so right in the original document.  What could be further proof we were a "Christian nation" pre-Obama?

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                  1. Misfit Chick profile image74
                    Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    LoL! Really? That is your 'proof' - because they used that phrasing in the beginning? Even Thomas Jefferson 'believed in God' - his own version, anyway. That wasn't an offensive phrase to use. They RESPECTED God, they just didn't respect the church clergy's intrusions into their government.

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                  2. Alternative Prime profile image57
                    Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    But Sgt Pepper, who really cares what YEAR the Constitution was Ratified and under what Religious UMBRELLA if any?

                    According to my Calendar & Ben Franklin Almanac, we are NOT Living in 1787 anymore ~ Except of course if you happen to be a Fox Snooze Worshiping Republican, then Biblical Times is a more likely scenario ~

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                2. Misfit Chick profile image74
                  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  More importantly... is WHY they felt justified in killing people who didn't have Christian beliefs. After all, people who do not believe in Jesus Christ as a personal savior are going to hell anyway, right? And they didn't have a hope in hell of converting the savages at that point. So 'God' must not have any investment or interest in them. It's not much different than killing an animal, really. Killing people who are not Christians at that time was supposedly 'the will of God' because 'God gave us this country to his Christian believers'.

                  Of course, when some of these natives were converted to Christianity; they become much more willing and trustworthy puppets. They did the same thing to slaves - converted them all from their original belief sets to the Christian 'salvation' one.

                  Bottom line... I do not even sort of believe in a 'God' like Christians do (I used to be a Christian, so I know what precious ideals I am rejecting); But, if I did... I wouldn't want to follow a God like that. Why would I? Why would anyone?

                  Oh yeah... because you HAVE to believe it; or you will burn in hell for an ETERNITY! There are reasons why Christians are so overly-terrified and have their noses in everyone else's spiritual and political business: if you don't think that you have any other choice to believe anything else; and you are SURE that all the people you love and/or care about who don't believe like you are ALL going to hell... Wouldn't you be a little over-the-top in your desperation to save the world AND follow authority figures almost unquestionably because they are 'always chosen by God'. (President Obama is an exception to the rule for some weird reason.)

                  I'm not sticking up for Christians.... This is the really irritating thing about them... This is the 21st Century and the Internet is FULL of resources on the origins of their holy book. I simply wish that they would STOP listening to anyone else and START doing the research for themselves on the history of their religion, where it came from and WHY that book was written the way it was.

                  You can even get so involved as to go to the Vatican and other places that keep 'original' manuscripts (be sure to take along an ancient text expert) and do even more digging and/or to verify that what the internet (and books - there are so many of them!) says is true or not. There are many sources... if there was just one, it would be different. The bible is a dynamically-harmful book for so many reasons.

                  Christians need to stop sipping at that baby food; BURN it - and start developing and listening to their own instincts and intuitions; WHILE using the amazing brain that God gave them.

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        2. GlendaGoodWitch profile image87
          GlendaGoodWitchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I don't believe it.  In his book he flat out said that he stands with Muslims

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            Larry Wallposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I am a Catholic with Muslin friends. If a wrong is being directed at them, I will stand with them and any other person I could help, without asking their religion.

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          2. My Esoteric profile image86
            My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Give us the quote and, more importantly, the context where he said he stands with the Muslims, please.

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              BHO said that publicly along with much more about his muslin faith. 
              When does he speak for Christians and his Christian faith?
              He says America is not Christian anymore...listen to this.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE9mZCRX2mg

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              1. Misfit Chick profile image74
                Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Well, we are certainly not TRYING to be Christian anymore, ha! It doesn't matter if BHO values his Muslim father's religion (OMG!). Also, America DOES have more 'other religions' than it used to; so all this Christian stuff is just bogus bs.

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          3. rhamson profile image72
            rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

            This statement is a rewording of a passage from page 261 of The Audacity of Hope, in which Barack Obama spoke of the importance of not allowing inflamed public opinion to result in innocent members of immigrant groups being stripped of their rights, denied their due as American citizens, or placed into confinement, as was done with Japanese-Americans during World War II. The original contains no specific mention of "Muslims":

            The following is the correct wording of the quote you cite.

            "In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." [1]

            [1] http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/coilofrage.asp

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          4. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            BHO was raised Moslem but his first year in an Indonesian school was at a JESUIT grade school called Saint FRANCIS.  Hello? You can't make this stuff up as it would be too unbelievable.  Kenyan-born Obama was born a Brit before his Indonesian adoption.  Obama's momma was a porn-star and his nanny was a tranny called "Evie".  Obama is the man of lawlessness our Bible predicted and Pope Francis is the False Prophet.

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            1. Misfit Chick profile image74
              Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You should have a shining halo over your head that flashes, "True Christian in the Purest Sense of the Word". wink

              Even if you did, it wouldn't matter... Christianity does not belong in our government. No religion does.

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            2. rhamson profile image72
              rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I hear the music now.......... "You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into... the Twilight Zone."

              If you are looking for reasons to attack Obama you don't need to waste your time in fantasy. Question his unwillingness to go after Wall Street after the crash and having the tax payer pick up the tab. Go after his backing corporate America in their eagerness to throw more Americans out of work with promoting the TPP. Take him on for allowing the health insurance industry to continue to over charge Americans for healthcare in their profit driven version of affordable health insurance. Look at how he has switched the law on the illegal immigrant problem by allowing illegal aliens the right to stay here because they decided to have babies here to establish their claim on citizenship.

              The more fairy tales you chase the more you marginalize your arguments.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I agree that there are far more serious things to go after Obama for with his LIES, cover-ups, overreaches, violations, illegal actions, its endless... The man talks a good talk while lying to the American people publicly, and to the world...the saddest thing is that so many people actually believe his BS. 

                I gotta hand it to him because he is one of the greatest psychopathic liars of today. Not to mention his administration, etc.

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                  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You exhibit hatred Suzie.  You seem so sucked into that propaganda that you cannot sift out any semblance of fair discussion.  All the videos I have seen were edited and chopped so as to present  a particular impression of your President.   Dirty politics.  Andy you represent people who claim they worship an ancient person called Jesus?
                  Hypocritical in the extreme.

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              2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                TWILIGHT ZONE fans consider "Terror at 20,000 feet" with William Shatner!  There is a man out there on the west wing of our nation. Most passengers think he is fine-tuning and improving the performance of our engines for a safe comfortable flight. Many are cheering him on. But some see him for the gremlin he is, hell-bent on systematically sabotaging each engine.
                Our nation's moral fabric is completely shredded and hanging by a thread. Our Constitutional safeguards are fading fast. Our military might has been paganized and emasculated. Our economic engine is sputtering and will soon stall. Sadly this evil creature will likely survive the coming crash as leader of the so-called "free world".
                Can anybody stop this gremlin? Anybody?

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                1. rhamson profile image72
                  rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  That's a good one and very creative. Conspiracies are great as you put together things that have no relevance to one another and pass them of as facts.

                  The only conspiracy going on is the onslaught of lobbyist and Super Pac money running our country. We continue to allow the playing field to be slighted towards the money and do nothing about it thinking we are being served by the phony arguments. If you want a more moral society then you have to create a need for it not a law governing it. The President has only the power we grant him. If you don't like what he is doing you have the right to vote him out. Just don't feed me some half baked ideas and rants about his evil or at the very least pointed actions.

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                  1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                    Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    It has been my observation that the evil-cabal of global-elite, which includes the majority of the ten-thousand billionaires worldwide, are in favor of the New World Order which will be socialist.  Please attempt to explain why that is if it is not to put Lucifer in charge of the entire planet.  It isn't ultimately about money but is about control.

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                    1. colorfulone profile image77
                      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      It is truly obvious.

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        ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

        My opinion is that  Pres. Obama  doesn't even consider himself  a patriotically  indoctrinated leader ,   I believe we will see this when  he's done      ,   As most liberal idealist's   profess , he too will  support more of a "new world order "  in the end , mark my words .

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        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          not even himself! which he is not even trying to disguise, lately.

          ( Is that really your opinion, ahb?

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          1. days leaper profile image61
            days leaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            how long has he got left before he has no terms left and has to bog off? 
            The failing of democracy is too many cookes can spoil the broth,
            another saying.  Charity begins at ome - use you r energy and resources to help your own kind first and foremost.  the reverse is still prejudice, only a reaction to the fear of the stigmatisation if/when looking so!

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      16. Live to Learn profile image60
        Live to Learnposted 8 years ago

        With that statement Ben Carson proved that no matter how well educated or intelligent one is, you can still speak without taking the time to ensure what you have to say isn't going to sound small minded and ignorant.

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        1. Alternative Prime profile image57
          Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Dr. Carson is not quite as BRIGHT as some think, the more he speaks the more you will discover this to be true ~

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          1. Live to Learn profile image60
            Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I'm sure he was a bright neurosurgeon. Possibly a brilliant one. But, if what we've seen on the campaign trail is the best of Ben Carson he should probably focus on enjoying his retirement and forget national politics.

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        ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

        What many of you fail to realize is that it doesn't take much intelligence to realize we need an Americanized idealist for the continuance of American ideas and philosophies .   How soon do you think that  it will ALL be about something you and I don't even begin to understand in politics  or cultural influences ?   A Chinese president ,    Iranian ?   Russian , think about it ? You elected someone your 're not even comfortable with  in 2008,  what will  2024 be like ?

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        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          +1

          <" You elected someone you weren't even comfortable with in 2008 ! ! ">  yikes

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        2. Live to Learn profile image60
          Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Well, there is a law which states that only natural born citizens can be elected to the office of president so that allows us to avoid the problems you are worried about. And there is a law which states that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

          Being of a certain religion and being of foreign birth are not one in the same no matter how often people attempt to pretend that they are. I'm curious how it would be accepted if it was said no Jew would ever be acceptable as president. Or no Christian. Our religions are not what disqualifies us to represent the people. It is what we feel our religion forces us to believe we have the right to impose on others. Although I am Christian I can think of many prominently professed Christians I wouldn't vote for; simply because their religious beliefs are not in line with anything I consider to be American (or Christian) values. This wouldn't put me in a position to make a sweeping statement about all Christians. I honestly believe that would be small minded and incredibly prejudicial.

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        3. days leaper profile image61
          days leaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I agree.  the problem was the idea "we need a black president" -just to have one.  And I know now some are saying "we need a woman..."
          no, "we" need a person who is going to be the best person for the job!

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          jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          All this hype about being "American" and "living the American lifestyle," is so much like the worst of what America has to offer.

          I see lies, lies, lies, in so many aspects of what comes out of America.
          Your advertising is full of it.
          Your mega-churches are full of it.
          Your big businesses are full of it.
          Your banks are full of it.
          Your politics is full of it.

          And each of the above hopes to make a profit out of the lie.
          And each area of influence seeks to expand internationally.

          Muslim people get accused of not being acceptable in the American Dream.   Have you ever asked the Muslims what they most dislike about the American way of life?

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        ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

        We all know that when Kennedy ran , many said no to a catholic president ,  we were wrong then ,  we could be wrong again . But it is the  American cultures that should be representative of our elected  leaders , naturally that will always happen , I hope !

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      19. psycheskinner profile image83
        psycheskinnerposted 8 years ago

        Muslim soldiers have laid down their lives for this nation, the greatest service and sacrifice any person can provide.  Saying their faith makes every single Muslim person untrustworthy or unqualified for high office just beggars belief.  It is like bringing back the old line in the Constitution about black people counting as only 3/5th of a person but changing it to "Muslims". A huge leap back into the dark ages.

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        1. days leaper profile image61
          days leaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          not everything in the 'dark ages' was a bad idea, be careful of fostering a new one!

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        DebMartinposted 8 years ago

        Seriously!? We're forced to deal with pesky editbots to correct spelling and yet this very inaccurate list can be published on HubPages without fact checking?

        President Obama is not a Muslim, has never been a Muslim. But more to the point, who cares? Why is religion so difficult for some people.

        I say show me. Show me where you got the facts to back up this long list. Cite a credible source, please.

        I fact check on Snopes. But check wherever you prefer. Just check. With an "independent" source please. Not a source that has a dog in the fight.

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The only source less credible than Snopes is Rationalwiki.
          Obama was never an American citizen and he has always been a Moslem.  Worst of all Kenyan-born Obama is the Antichrist and Pope Francis is his False Prophet.

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            PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            https://godofthunder85.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/cheers-to-obama-haters.jpg

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          2. Live to Learn profile image60
            Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know what scares me more. The irrational claims of the far right or the far left.

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              NPR & FoxNews are BOTH controlled by the global elite force-feeding us pablum and fairy tales while their New World Order is set-up.  Republicans & Democrats are also BOTH owned and operated by that same evil-cabal playing good-cop/bad-cop with the American electorate.

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              1. Live to Learn profile image60
                Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                You don't have to tell me that we no longer have control of our democracies. However, knowing we need to somehow wrest power back into the hands of the electorate and saying the Anti Christ is among us are fairly different statements. I've heard that s**t every time a Democrat is in office.

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  So when was the power ever in the hands of the electorate?

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                  1. Live to Learn profile image60
                    Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    When our vote mattered. When the politicians weren't in the pockets of the major corporations prior to even taking office.

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                    1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Agreed, but even I am not old enough to remember Andrew Jackson.

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                2. colorfulone profile image77
                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, we have heard about the anitchrist so many times, but according to 1 John 2:18 "...there many antichrists..."

                  I came across this interesting video a couple of months ago.
                  "DID JESUS GIVE US THE NAME OF THE ANTICHRIST?"
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgHUZXgNAWo

                  “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” (Luke 10:18)
                  The Greek word for ‘lightning’ is ‘astrape’, and the Hebrew equivalent is ‘Baraq,
                  https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le … &t=KJV

                  Isaiah 14:14  “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.” (Lucifer or Satan, is quoted)
                  The word ‘heights’ is  Bamah.
                  https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le … &t=KJV

                  From the video,  “If spoken by a Jewish rabbi today, influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, he would say these words in Hebrew … ‘I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.’”

                  If Obama is the antichrist I doubt that he would have bowed in submission before the Saudi King. It would have been the other way around more likely. 

                  Added:  I do think many of Obama's action are anti-Christian.

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                  1. Live to Learn profile image60
                    Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I do apologize, but it is pointless to attempt to share religious beliefs of the end times being here with me. I am a Christian, but I do not support such nonsense. Taking scriptural quotes and spinning them into a chicken little fear that the sky falling is about as anti christ as it gets. In my opinion. He's probably face palming the whole bruhaha as we type.

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              2. CassandraCae profile image83
                CassandraCaeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Go write some hubs.  Why are you even here.  You have no content.  I assume it is just to troll these feeds.

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                1. Live to Learn profile image60
                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Not being a big fan of Sgt Pepper's views myself; I still find it saddening to see where someone attempts to minimize the contributions of any poster by implying they don't have a right to be sharing their opinion.

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                  1. CassandraCae profile image83
                    CassandraCaeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Or maybe it is telling someone to make better use of there time. 

                    If you are here to just troll forums though I will mention it everytime.  This is a community for writers.  Not a youtube channel feed.

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                  2. CassandraCae profile image83
                    CassandraCaeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Sorry but if you never posted a hub byt post treasonous bs like the president should be shot, i am gonna call ya out.  This is not 4chan and this is not reddit.  If they are not posting huns than why are they here. Ohh that is right harassment.

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                  3. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    It is saddening.
                    I respect Sgt Pepper rights.

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                      PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Lest I be the topic of this comment, let me be clear.  Anyone can say anything they want here on these forums, as long as they comply with the rules.  That includes me as well as Sgt Prepper.  It is my opinion that his opinions are nonsense.  Actually, it is my opinion that this thread is nonsense.

                      Just stating my opinion.  big_smile

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                      1. colorfulone profile image77
                        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        I was directing my comment to LIVE TO LEARN.

                        I agreed. And, I expressed respect.

                        hmm

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          3. A Thousand Words profile image67
            A Thousand Wordsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The sad part is that you're serious... Of course...it's white people and white people pleasing blacks that think the first "black" president is the anti-Christ. LoL. Dear Lord.

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Don't forget Pope Francis is the False Prophet too!  If he was legal Obama would be the first almost half-black President.  A paternal great-grandmother of his was 100% Arab-Bedouin which is Caucasoid.  Thanks for joining in on this.

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        2. Peter Grujic profile image60
          Peter Grujicposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          well said

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        3. Victoria Lynn profile image89
          Victoria Lynnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Amen!

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          1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Snopes is as much a liberal propogandic joke as rationalwiki. The only written truth is the Bible with Wikipedia a distant second.

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I've noticed some tampering / distortions on Wikipedia that only reminds me to try to remember to check more thoroughly...and then connect the dots.  But, I don't always have time for that.

              (Alex Jones, was mentioned.)  The guy lost me when he came across a news feed questioning if Trump was going to hand the election to Hillary (that name is like chalk noise on a blackboard to me).  Ugh!

              Anyway, Alex had been talking to some Generals who speak highly for Trump's insights.  So! Alex, did a talk show w/Trump as his guest and told him what the Generals had to say about him being right-on.  (I had to watch that video)  He asked Trump to promise to not throw the election basically.  Trump (graciously) said that he hadn't heard anything like that, and promised he will do all he can to win.  Alex, seemed humbled and calm...I hope he has peace.  Alex is okey, I've gotten some great info. leads from him..."take what you can use and leave the rest". 

              BTW, he gets right down with an investigative journalist who has lived outside the Vatican for decades.  Whoa!  Some shocking stuff many people don't care about.  It can be entertaining and amusing!  wink

              http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12810133.jpg

              "Make America Great!

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      21. Lady Lorelei profile image85
        Lady Loreleiposted 8 years ago

        I think this is one of the most hate filled threads I have yet seen and it should not be given the dignity of being published. Disgusting that people in the name of religion feel they must spread so much hate. I am not talking Muslims here either! Christian principles? I don't think so.

        Reach out your hand in kindness not in hate or you are lower than those who you condemn within your words.

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        1. Alternative Prime profile image57
          Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          It's not just here in forums Lady, but this kind of insanity is proliferated everywhere ~ In Congress, In the Conservative Media aka Television, Radio etc. ~

          Show me a conservative republican and I'll show you a mentally deranged, extreme religious hypocrite who should receive psychological attention ~ I think OBAMACARE might cover that ~ If not, it would be a sensible Rider in the future ~

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          1. Lady Lorelei profile image85
            Lady Loreleiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It is sickening. I hope a few people come to their senses soon. It is simply repeating a very sad chapter in history that has come and gone far too many times.

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Those who call truth-tellers "haters" obviously hate hearing the truth. 
              "Any man who willfully takes actions during wartime that damages morale and undermines the military is a saboteur and should be arrested, exiled or hung". Abraham Lincoln
              " A nation cannot survive treason from within." Cicero
              My hope and prayer is that some great man, like birther Trump, will put this Kenyan-born usurper into Portsmouth until a firing squad can be assembled.

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        2. Peter Grujic profile image60
          Peter Grujicposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I agree with you. The people espousing all this nonsense are insecure people with mental problems, insecure and prejudiced -  looking for someone to blame for their unsuccessful lives. True religion of any faith is based on love, not the misinformation and negativity they espouse. I feel sorry for these people. I have never read such garbage. God help them

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          1. Misfit Chick profile image74
            Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, come on... This is Hubpages. There is all kinds of stuff like this among our collective masterpieces, LoL!

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            At last - a few posts here representing the better aspects of American thinking.
            Up til now we have only seen the worst.

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        3. days leaper profile image61
          days leaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          the subject is of the nation foremost not religion or the occult, religion though does play a part in influencing it's followers, and in that respect a nation is better to choose those of the same type with their interest at the forefront (ie. not some idiot rapped with guilt about looking goodthrough fear of being criticised and stigmatised just because s/he protects the interests first of the longest term homogenous!

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I have known Lorelei online for several years. I love her a lot.  I didn't respond to her comment because she lives in Canada and is more concerned with government there. Then, because I realize that the MSM media is bias and does not report the truth. 

            Thank you for using the word "homogenous" in that context, it gave me food for thought.

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      22. profile image0
        calculus-geometryposted 8 years ago

        IT WAS OBAMA who said that NASA's "foremost mission" was an outreach to Muslim communities.

        lolololololol...NASA deals with outerspace, is there a Muslim colony on Mars or something?

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        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          and how about this one:
          <" IT WAS OBAMA who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country.">
          ~ never heard about it, and I would. lol

          I just took the list at face value without reading too closely.
          This is the trick/challenge of living in this world. Pausing to verify, checking for facts, focusing on details, isolating difficulties and slowing down. Its easy to think too quickly, sweep too broadly, jump too far to conclusions, trust too much, and accept too much. Mental laziness/restlessnes prohibits higher awareness.
          The movie, Catch Me if You Can, was based on a true story.
          It's really no wonder.

          Here is Frank Abagnale himself:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0fEA0MsiV8

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            calculus-geometryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe we are all misinterpreting the OP and this is actually supposed to be humor.  I mostly found it pretty funny.

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      23. Alternative Prime profile image57
        Alternative Primeposted 8 years ago

        Well, don't look now but the good Dr. Carson just Flipped then Flopped pretty hard ~

        Now, according to a Video News Feed, Dr. Carson would welcome a Muslim as President in OUR Government ~

        So, how long did that damage control take? About 24 hours?

        So I guess all who were supporting Dr. Carson for his blatant bigotry now unilaterally revoke that support?

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          PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          LOL, but he's so smart.

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          1. Alternative Prime profile image57
            Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            No Panther, he's just another BRILLIANT conservative living in a PRETEND World smile

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Carson: "I can support a Muslim who denounces Sharia law."

              BIG DIFFERENCE then your spin of what he actually said.

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              1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Re-Read my comment and you'll find it to be accurate ~ Not so BRIGHT Dr. Carson  realized his massive mistake and in essence, retracted his previous statement ~

                According to his own words, unless a very talented ventriloquist was hiding in the wings, he will now ACCEPT a Muslim President residing in the White House ~ "Denouncing" means absolutely nothing, they are simply words ~

                But the real question is, what will be his answer to the very same question tomorrow when he's nudged in another direction??

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              2. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                But...if we don't spin, and spin for all it's worth, we can't demonize the republican party OR make angels out of democrats!  It's necessary!

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                1. colorfulone profile image77
                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh, I see!   wink 
                  Let it spin, spin, spin...

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                2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  That is what is so crazy.  People actually choose to believe lies when the plain truth is so obvious.  In 1981 CIA Director William Casey told new President Reagan "The disinformation program will continue until everything the American people believe is a lie." That day is here now.

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                3. Alternative Prime profile image57
                  Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  wilderness ~

                  Republicans do a pretty thorough job of DEMONIZING themselves, they need NO help from me nor anyone else ~

                  As a matter of fact, it's the only thing conservatives are quite adept at doing ~

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    lol  lol  So bazaar.

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      24. profile image0
        PrettyPantherposted 8 years ago

        The crazy is strong in this thread. 

        All we can do is laugh, because the world is moving on without them anyway.  Too bad they have to create so much unnecessary turmoil on their way out.

        http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z205/JekyllnHyde_photos/August%2030th%202010/82304_600.jpg

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The real lies are evolution, global-warming, Islam is a peaceful religion, people being born gay, Obama's Hawaiian Birth Certificate, the "surprise" attacks on 9/11 & Pearl Harbor, Oswald was a lone gunman, that abortion isn't the taking of innocent human-life for selfish reasons, and many, many more.

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            PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, dear, I know you believe all that, science and facts be damned.

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            1. Alternative Prime profile image57
              Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              FACTS & SCIENCE were ABOLISHED long ago in conservative republican "Pretend Land" ~

              Delusional CONS like Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and NOW Dr. Carson are living proof of this ~

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              1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Bill Maher, Steve Miller, these people are all puppets spouting off nonsense about issues that don't really matter.  Conquistador Cortex subdued a civilization of Aztecs with only 600 who came by ship.  He succeeded by dividing factions the people against each other.  Obama will ALWAYS be the Antichrist & Pope Francis is his False Prophet.  We're cannot stop what is happening so just get ready for it!

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                1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                  Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  President Obama has done a stellar job as leader of this nation and if he is indeed the "Anti-Christ", I hope there are many more just like him to take his place when he retires next year ~  smile

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                  1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                    Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    His illegal-presidency isn't scheduled to end until January of 2017, but I do expect Biden to be suddenly thrust into the Presidency so he can appoint Hellary our first female VP.

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                    1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                      Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      If that's your demented take on things, then we need MORE "illegal Presidencies" because they seem to be more effective for the majority of Americans than the "Legal" tenures right?

                      How about an ILLEGAL ANTI-CHRIST DEMONIC SATANICALLY EVIL Presidency? Can U imagine the incredibly competent job this man/woman/gargoyle would do? ~ I know one thing, I would welcome this before a Radically insane BACKWARD CONSERVATIVE like Dr. Carson sitting in our White House ~

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                      1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                        Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Be careful what you wish for!  But it is already too late for America.  We died the day BHO was illegally allowed on the ballot. Stick a fork in us as we are done as burnt-toast.

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          Daniel Gottlobposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Cognitive dissonance. Our greatest failures in humanity come when we lose sight of the collective we and settle for us and them. It is the same crap that allows humans to be capable of Holocausts, Genocides, "Crusades", slavery, and etc. We take people and put them into a category which separates them from our self and it enables us to rid ourselves of empathy and reduce people to something less than their actual worth.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8

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        3. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          We can discus it...  I wonder, do you love satire? 
          I love laughing! ... and, I love the Constitution!  smile

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      25. Bentlymontclaire profile image41
        Bentlymontclaireposted 8 years ago

        From my point of view .The extreme s of any religion Christianity or Islam  can be terrible.  In essence they are very much alike .  The native Americans and African slaves probably thought in a similar way that people vew muslims today. Not all muslims are extremist . I would have to look into ones past and his track record. Now let me say I would not vote for a Muslim raised in a traditional Islamic country which supposedly we don't have worry about that. The jury is still out I guess.

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      26. IslandBites profile image90
        IslandBitesposted 8 years ago

        http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12660974.jpg

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I call them Obamanites.

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      27. profile image0
        DebMartinposted 8 years ago

        I'm closing my account with HubPages today for a few reasons, not the least of which is this discussion.

        I've know you, Susie (colorfulone), for a few years on first Squidoo and now HubPages and I've come to appreciate much of what you have written in the past. I loved your writings on animals and nature.

        But this has been an alarming discussion for me. I've come to realize that people I never met in person but enjoyed online are people that can also spew so much hate. And therefore, I'm not the kind of person who should engage online with people I obviously don't know so well.

        Yes, I know I can unfollow. But I realize that HubPages is an environment that can put me in a position to become acquainted with and support, by commenting and following, people who I would not in any way want to be seen as supporting or in alliance with. And how do I know until something like this discussion comes to light? I don't. So I'm out of here.

        Susie, I'm sorry to hear about your Mom.
        Deb

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        1. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Deb, thank you for saying how you feel. Each person has a free will by design. Peace be with you, and may your faith continue to bless and keep you safe always.  I respect you and your way of enjoying life. 

          The truth is that I do not hate anyone and am not spewing hate. That would be your perception. I DO take a stand against the evil that has permeated this world and our government as I see it.  I DO hate sin (especially the murder of unborn babies and born alive babies and selling of body parts) and the direction we are headed with a One World Order (and all that entails).

          I do not agree with socialism / communism agendas.  The main stream media is liberal, and politically correct is the flavor of the day. I do not need them to tell me what I should think. 

          Information in a HubPages discussion should be respectfully presented and I believe I have done that.  I am not trying to be an offence and I try not to have a spirit of offence toward others.

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            DebMartinposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you, Susie

            I do see your long list at the beginning of this discussion as spewing hate. But you are right, it is my perception. I found your list hateful. And at the least, it certainly meets the criteria of "large quantities" in the definition of "spewing."

            But perhaps a better word is "spawning." This discussion you started has spawned a lot of hateful comments and I have not seen you try to diminish those in any way but, instead, encourage.

            And I must disagree with your last paragraph about "information" being "respectfully presented." This whole discussion, including your beginning comment, is not information but opinion and most of it has certainly been less than respectfully presented.

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              smile

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          PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          This whole thread is creepy, scary, and crazy.  Someone on here said he hoped for Obama to be shot. 

          The people here are confirming my dislike of religion and probably scaring away some who were on the fence.  Patriots do not wish for the death of their President.  Good Christians do not hope for their President to be shot.

          Sick, sick, sick.

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          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            <"Someone on here said he hoped for Obama to be shot.">  who?
            If you don't like it, don't read it.

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              PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              SgtPepper:  "My hope and prayer is that some great man, like birther Trump, will put this Kenyan-born usurper into Portsmouth until a firing squad can be assembled."

              I can read whatever I want, thank you very much, and I can spout my opinion just like the rest of you.  At least I don't hit the "Report" button on every little thing.  I can take it like an adult.

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              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                he is a prepper, not a pepper smile  I think he feels the need to amp it up to reveal what he believes to be true.
                Freedom of speech you know …
                Maybe he broke a boundary by mentioning a firing squad?
                     perhaps ... based on what precept?

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                  PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I didn't say he couldn't say it.  He can say whatever he wants, but I can also say it's creepy, scary, and crazy.  Freedom of speech is for everyone.

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                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes. one can turn others off and work against one's own agenda. Trump is good at that. Seems to be the flavor of the month! September, 1015!  lol

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              2. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Oh dear, I didn't see that. 
                I do not agree with it.

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  How about hanged?

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I would settle for Obama negotiating with the Iran president (while he is here in the states now) to release the American Christians who have been imprisons because of their faith. 

                    http://aclj.org/persecuted-church/taser … ew-charges

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                    1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      If Iran releases this pastor they will look wonderful and reasonable.  Then we could go ahead and give them nukes to attack Israel.  Then Israel will preemptively attack Iran and the U.S. will defend Iran.  What a vicious circle.

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                      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Can you predict who the President will be?

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              3. Dean Traylor profile image94
                Dean Traylorposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I think the person in question is trolling this site. I don't  see any articles under his authorship. Also, it seems he's trying to come up with a lot of outlandish comments to piss certain people off.  Kind of sad that somebody has to do that to get some instant gratification.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You are probably right.  I come on the forums periodically to satisfy my perverse need to argue with someone.  Bad timing for me that Sgt Prepper was here, as I took the bait.  LOL

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                2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Dean, actually I am on a mission from God, sounding the alarm on any venue I can find, that Obama IS The Antichrist & Pope Francis is his False Prophet.  Soon comes the Tribulation & NWO.

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                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    After we are dead and gone I hope!

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                    1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Get saved before The Rapture!  Those left behind are as good as dead.  Obama & Francis are destined for the lake of fire along with their minions.  Get ready!

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          2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Kenyan-born Obama is not anybody's president. Legally he couldn't be elected Dogcatcher.

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          3. CassandraCae profile image83
            CassandraCaeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Try not to let the ignoremt man that crashed this thread ruin your money making prospects.  I quit interacting with people for the same reasons but my hubs are here and if i do feel like talking, as I do today I can still do that.  I just leep people more at an arms length now.  Yeah we may both like nature and crochet but i am sure even Nazis liked those things and I am not trying to chat them up anytime soon either.  Unless they had a really good recipe for schnitzel.  Ummm nope couldn't even do it then.

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      28. FatFreddysCat profile image93
        FatFreddysCatposted 8 years ago

        If the President is going to destroy this country from within, he'd better get a move on it. He's only got a little over a year left in his term of office.

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        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          He is getting a move on it, don't you think?

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          1. Alternative Prime profile image57
            Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Well, Sure Kathryn ~

            With evil OBAMCARE, last count indicates approximately 17 MILLION MORE Americans now have health insurance ~ This means, 17 Million More Americans pay a co-pay for medical services rather than relying on a Low Budget Free Clinic or filing for bankruptcy to pay for what is constitutionally mandated ~

            More Americans can stay healthier, pretty dog-gone destructive I'd say ~

            BTW ~ The Good Dr. Carson would probably try to repeal OBAMACARE  Like ALL other conservatives which would strip 17 Million Americans of their access to adequate Health Insurance ~

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            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              well, Good! The only reason they've signed up is to avoid being fined.
              They were, by all intents, and purposes

                                                            FORCED.

              Now they all have the crappiest insurance possible. They will be glad to give it up.

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              1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Kathryn ~

                Freedom has NEVER been absolute ~ We as a "United Nation" are at times Compelled to do or not to do certain things for the General Welfare & Health of the Community, Public Safety etc. ~

                We are a civilized "United States" not a raggedy, disconnected, rebellious compilation of Rogue Elements as conservatives love to imagine ~

                OBAMACARE Insurance is SOLID with ironclad consumer protections ~ The first critical step toward an essential "Single Payer" Universal Health Care delivery system where Health Insurance is issued at birth ~

                What's Dr. Carson's Plan? I'd be surprised if he has even given it any thought yet ~ But one thing is for sure, if he's a genuine conservative like Jeb "Jed" Bush, Carly F et al republicans, they will do everything in their power to place YOUR health=care decisions in the hands of greed driven corporate exec's who are paid to deliver the highest profit humanly possible to shareholders ~ Not so good is it?

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                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  We were better off before as far as insurance … (California, any way.) Now its a mess and to end this mess, it will only spell huge disaster, so yeah we are further forced ...
                  to keep it the way it is.
                  yay.

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                  1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                    Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Kathryn ~

                    If you are un-happy with your plan, you need to Place Blame where it belongs, on the Insurance Companies, not OBAMACARE ~

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          2. FatFreddysCat profile image93
            FatFreddysCatposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            He's been in office for six and a half years and we're still here.

            If he's really on a top secret mission to destroy America, then he sucks at it.

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            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              you really do not get it.
              Are we better than we were?
              really?
              ReallY?

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        2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          We will never recover from the damage Obama has already done nor can we erase his putrid name from our history books.

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      29. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

        Yet you go to the point of posting this:

        <"Sick, sick, sick.">  neutral

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          PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Sure did.  Why does that bother you when advocating for the shooting of the President doesn't?  Which is worse?

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          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't see it.

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        2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          "Can't we all just get along? We're in this thing together."
          Rodney King

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          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            If aliens were going to attack this planet would we?
            I doubt it.
            Rodney King was high on PCP. Good person to ask such a thing.

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            PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            What does getting along with others mean to you?  This thread has an awful lot of hate in it, yet when challenged, some of you get your backs up.

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              The ONLY person I hate in the whole wide world is Big Brother Obama the Antichrist.  I don't care much for the False Prophet Francis either.

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                PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Do you know how many people throughout history have been labeled the Antichrist?  It's ludicrous.  What are you going to do when your prophecies don't come to pass this time?  Find another Antichrist?

                Hence, my opinion that there is a lot of "crazy" in this thread.

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  If I am wrong I have a LOT of crow to eat and it will be served cold.  I won't have the guts to post on HubPages anymore either.
                  But I have dedicated my life to Jesus so I will have to confess false-witnessing, etc.

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      30. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        I do not think there is anything hateful about this.
        http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12661431.jpg
        I agree with Ben.

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          wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I don't.  I can't really think of anything we've given away, but we have extended the same rights that while males enjoy to females, other races and now gay folks.  If that's "giving away all of our values and our principles", then let it be so.

          It's real easy to say that our values include "Do to others as you would have them do to you." (Luke 6:31) while out of the other side of our mouth we say "Do as I think my concept of god says or I will hurt you".  Even Islam includes this near universal principle, but few people bother to follow it when someone else does something they don't like.

          “Whoever would love to be delivered from the Hellfire and entered into Paradise, then let him die with faith in Allah and the Last Day, and let him treat the people the way he would love to be treated.”[Musnad Ahmad, Number 6768, Sahih]

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            20 Outrageous Examples That Show How Political Correctness Is Taking Over America
            http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-out … er-america

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              thetruthwins website is among the best, thanks for turning me on to it colorfulone

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          2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I just wonder how Julius & Ethyl Rosenberg would feel about what BHO is getting away with when they were executed for Treason.

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          PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          It only becomes hateful when you think your personal values and your personal principles should be forced upon everyone else.  I don't care, for example, if you believe marriage should be reserved for heterosexual couples.  However, I do care if you try to enforce that belief upon the rest of us by preventing homosexuals from enjoying the same legal rights as everyone else.

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            wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            And unfortunately that's exactly what happens.  Witness Kim Davis - her signature on the form meant nothing, but losing her "voice for God" by quitting absolutely did.

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              PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Exactly.

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          2. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I really do believe in live and let live.   

            I do not agree with all this political correctness from the progressives.

            You are free to speak... ( this thread hasn't been about homosexuals or heterosexuals )

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            1. Live to Learn profile image60
              Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              When people use the term politically correct, I always think it means they don't understand why their opinions are anti social. I don't mean that as an insult to any of the people complaining about having to be politically correct. It's just that politics shouldn't be the reason we are kind to others, why we allow for their happiness too, or why we show consideration. I don't think the government should have to force people to do what is right.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I am concerned about where we are heading as a nation.
                It seems to be a very slippery slop to me.

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                1. Live to Learn profile image60
                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, it can seem that way. But if we trust in the goodness of others, as we believe there is goodness in ourselves; we can find understanding. I just think there are times when we are inclined to condemn things we don't understand instead of taking the time to understand them better.

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I take it that you were talking to yourself as well?

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                    1. Live to Learn profile image60
                      Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      It is a vicious circle. Is it not?

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                      1. colorfulone profile image77
                        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        It is a cycle that we come out of when it ends.
                        Forbid we need to rinse and repeat.   
                        Kind of like the cycle of a washing machine. 
                        Or, going around a mountain one more time.

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                2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  If you really want to know read Orwell's "1984" or Glenn beck's "Agenda-21"!

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          3. Sgt Prepper profile image60
            Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I don't care if you think homosexuals can somehow consummate their so-called "same-sex marriages" just don't try to force this values on me.

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              Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

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              1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Yeah I can't sleep either just thinking about this stuff.

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                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  oops you caught it. (It was just to you to commiserate.)
                  Its a gay world and a technological world. Embrace it. Love it. Do NOT loose sleep over it. We will all get to heaven eventually! yay!

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                  1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                    Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    We "all" could get to Heaven as new creatures through the blood of Christ.  Only Antichrist Obama, False Prophet Pope Francis and their minions will go to hell with the devil.

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      31. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Another betrayal of our trust by the POTUS.  It is what he does with every distraction.  Where is the oversight? Where is the balance of Power? This is criminal and treason!

        While the media obsessed over the Pope, look what Obama just did
        http://allenbwest.com/2015/09/while-the … -just-did/

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Only a Moslem non-citizen would have thought that a good idea.  Those people brazenly kill Christians while we bend over backwards to treat them fairly.  I feel like a sucker for my many years of military service during Vietnam & in Kuwait.

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          PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Obama didn't personally do it.  The decision was made by the Periodic Review Board, which consists of representatives from six U.S. national security agencies.  Several prisoners have already been released by this Board.  You can google it to find out the facts.

          The goal is to close Guantanamo Bay.  Some prisoners will be released to countries who agree to rehabilitate and track them.  Others will eventually be transferred to other prisons.

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      32. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12663377.jpg

        As President Ben Carson: My first 100 days in office...
        http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/presi … le/2572651

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      33. Sgt Prepper profile image60
        Sgt Prepperposted 8 years ago

        Yes there are hundreds of FEMA camps already built. Many are operational.  Some are operating. At least one has a guillotine set-up.

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        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, and to avoid this treatment most of the world's citizens will end up succumbing to being micro-chipped and of course agreeing to worship the Image of BHO.

          Q. Would you, Sargent Prepper, rather succumb or
          … not?

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      34. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

        Thats a pretty good question, actually. How would any of us answer it?

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      35. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

        I have a feeling there would be more of us who would NOT succumb, than there are tyrants to MAKE us!


        Conclusion, its as good day as any for a revolution, unless you enjoy the blood of rolling heads.

        Thanks, Sargent Prepper, for prepping us.

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      36. Vic Dillinger profile image59
        Vic Dillingerposted 8 years ago

        Everything the OP said and subsequent yaysayers said in support are all lies.  Everything about the premise and the inflammatory hate speech is lies.  And the people who post such garbage are jingoistic bigoted morons, as are the people who agree with them. 

        People (and I mean people with fully functioning brains): don't waste your time engaging such idiots.  Your time is better spent writing well and creatively, not jerking around with the d-baggery so-called "truthers" espouse.  [Is "truther" even a legitimate word, especially considering everything that comes from their drooling, lips-moving-while-reading pieholes is lies?]

        Just ignore this tripe, please, people?

        And, anyone, please go ahead and say what you want about me, because I won't be following this racist, bigoted thread after I post this simply because I already know I'm superior to any "truther" out there.

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          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          So, Vic Dillinger, when the micro-chipping starts are you gonna stand in line?
            … oh, He's outta here, we'll never know.

          BTW Veterinarians have discovered that a large percentage of micro-chipped dogs and cats get cancer.


          BTW Thank goodness for spell-check. Can you imagine if we didn't have it? (Vetanarian is like Febuary. silent r's. I wonder why.)

          BTW I'm sure it was the thought of blood from rolling heads that creeped out Mr. D the most.
          Oh sure, but we can let it happen anywhere else in the world just fine!

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      37. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

        Heads will roll, but I doubt from guillotines.

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      38. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

        Beheading in Islamic Law
        "During the development of Islamic Law or Sharia, the majority of scholars supported beheading as a valid form of punishment within Islam. Influential medieval Muslim scholars such as Al-Zamakhshari and Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari considered beheading to be sanctioned by God as the punishment for unbelievers and blasphemous Muslims.

        Currently Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world which uses decapitation within its Islamic legal system, though it also a legal form of punishment in Iran, Qatar and Yemen.

        Numerous non-state actors, including Islamic organisations such as ISIL, Al Qaeda and other Jihadist groups use or have used beheading as a punishment. (for unbelievers and blasphemous Muslims. yikes)

        Beheading is a legal form of execution in Iran, Qatar and Yemen, but the punishment has been suspended in those countries. The majority of executions carried out by the Wahhabi government of Saudi Arabia are public beheadings, which usually cause mass gatherings but are not allowed to be photographed or filmed.

        Since 2002, however, jihadist groups such as al-Qaeda and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant have been mass circulating beheading videos as a form of terror and propaganda." (as we have seen yikes)

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beheading_in_Islam

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      39. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

        (Heads will most certainly roll if MY my little head rolls: " mad  " !)

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      40. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12664705.png

        Reminds me of cats who do not like being stroked the wrong way, so they turn the other way.  I'm getting use to seeing rainbows, I like rainbows.

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        1. A Thousand Words profile image67
          A Thousand Wordsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          LoL. Reminds me of when black people were considered lesser and weren't given the same rights as white people. The out of context use of scripture seemed to "validate" their opinions, too. Glad we moved beyond that kind of ignorance. Sad part is, black people don't see the discrimination here against gay people and many are falling into the same pattern as the ignorant, white "Christians" that believed they could treat their black "property" as they saw fit. Gay people are treated less because of something many of them did not choose. But the group for the ignorant to discriminate against now isn't so much the "coloreds" anymore, but the "gay abominations."

          News flash. Keeping gay people from getting married, or now that it's legal, refusing services to gay people looking to get married doesn't help the Jesus cause. One cannot be a beacon of light when perpetuating hate. A real Christian would sit down with gay people, explain their point of view from a religious stance and share "Christ's love" and what they believe his opinion is of the gay "lifestyle." If the gay person wants to hear, ok. If they don't, ok. Then you "wipe your sandals off" and move on... I don't remember Jesus saying anywhere that denying rights to people was the thing to do. LoL. Though honestly, actually STUDYING the Bible would tell you that the popular homosexuality opinion amongst fundamentalists isn't as rock solid as you'all like to think it is. But... why deny what everybody says (everybody in the fundamentalist community, that is).

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It would be a nicer world for everyone if we were all able to follow the leadership of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He had a great dream. It would be sad to see everything he worked passionately to achieve be destroyed.  Perhaps Dr. Ben Carson will be able to get things back on the right track.

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            1. A Thousand Words profile image67
              A Thousand Wordsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Carson is an ignorant puppet. He's included in the black people I mentioned above.

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              1. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I am feeling pity for anyone with such an opinion at this point.
                But, you could be right ... or heavy left-wing .

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                1. A Thousand Words profile image67
                  A Thousand Wordsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Nope. I'm a moderate. That doesn't make Carson any less of a puppet.

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                  1. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Show me some proof, I sure am open to seeing is believing.  smile
                    References, please!

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              2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                aw …  Carson is sweet. What is wrong with carson. How did he get in the race? …. many people contributed toward his campaign … OR DID THEY?

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      41. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

        Jesus came to save us all.  Muslims don't believe that.
        OR DO THEY?

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        1. A Thousand Words profile image67
          A Thousand Wordsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Many Muslims have a deeper respect for people of the Christian faith than anyone from any other other faith besides Islam. But that's not something you guys like to tell people. Yes, let's use the extremists as our idea of who all Muslims are. LoL. But Christians don't like that to be done to them...

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Personally, I have known some Christian Muslims 20 - 25 years. Long enough to know their good characters are consistently good.  I do not expect anything will ever change that.

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            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, Love of God is love of Jesus.

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              1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                The AIDS Chapter Romans1 provides a quick read of how God feels about homosexuality.

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                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  well, thats one way to look at the matter!
                  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1
                  dare I post these passages from Romans?
                  here goes …

                  " Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

                  "… They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

                  but we are digressing big time.

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              2. colorfulone profile image77
                colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                John Quincy Adams, sixth president of the US spoke out against slavery by Muslims:

                “The natural hatred of the Mussulmen towards the infidels is in accordance with the precepts of thw Koran,” wrote President Adams.

                He saw the difference between Christians and Muslims:

                “The fundamental doctrine of the Christian religion is the extirpation of hatred from the human heart,” continued... “It forbids the exercise of it, even towards enemies.”

                And,

                “In the 7th century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab … spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth,” Adams said. “He declared undistinguishing and exterminating war as part of his religion.” ...  “The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust, to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.”

                The founding fathers of the United States were wise and protected our civilization. Unlike Obama.

                Obama does not even speak of Islamic terrorism. He focuses on being political correct to keep America safe from Islamic terrorists instead.  WHILE...he supports Islamic terrorists! 
                http://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012 … an-regime/

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      42. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Americans are not afraid of Muslims, we fear extremist Muslims who wish to amend the Constitution of the United States only to replace it with Shari'a law.

        Instead of losing popularity for their justifiable anti-muslim sentiments, presidential candidate Ben Carson (and the Donald) have risen in popularity.

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." B.H.Obama
          "We just returned from visiting my husband's home country of Kenya." Michelle Obama
          "Its great to be back in Kenya." B.H.Obama
          "I was born in Kenya." B.H.Obama speaking to a lecture hall of university students(just like his mini-bio at Harvard law & Grandma Sarah Obama claimed).The Clinton's know it too and that is why Hellary started the birther movement
          and Bill referred to BHO as a "noncitizen".
          Obama isn't even a citizen much less natural-born.

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Under the Obama Administration.
            http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12665886.jpg

            U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens
            U.S. Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith
            CIA contractors, Tyrone S. Woods and Glen Doherty

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Gay Chicagoan Stevens very likely "hung-out" at Man's Country where Bathhouse Barry did.  Makes me think Stevens' death was intentional & Hellary orchestrated it.

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      43. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Thankfully, it is official that the infamous Ground Zero mosque project (Park51) is dead.

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      44. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        President Putin‬ declared that the U.S. is supporting terrorist groups in ‪Syria‬. ‪Namely ‎ISIS‬. 

        He is partly right, it isn't the US, its Obama and those who pull his strings.

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Do you find it odd John Kerry, Netanyahu, Abbas, Putin, Sarkozy, McCain, Bob Dole(by default), Jonathon Edwards, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, GHW Bush, Ross Perot, Tony Blair and even Obama are all left-handed?

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I did not know that.  Interesting because 90% of the people are right-handed.

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              President Reagan was ambidextrous and the only right-handed major party nominee for President since was G.W.Bush whose Skull&Bones nickname is "Temporary".

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      45. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        The President restricted our nation's fight against ISIS the same week the terrorist organization beheaded 21 Egyptian Christians.

        Additionally, President Obama is trying to force his failed foreign policy on our next Commander in Chief.

        Say no. SIGN & SHARE the petition: http://bit.ly/1O2X3cT

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      46. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Obama is legacy grabbing again with his shameful agenda using the power of executive orders. Before he was president he was pushing to lift the embargo on Cuba a communist marshal law state.  Now he is going to do that. 

        Obama scolds Iran and used his tough stick,  "...chanting death to America does not create jobs..."   What does chanting have to do with jobs and for who?   What a leader.

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          SPOILER ALERT This all ends with Antichrist Obama, False Prophet Francis & their minions cast into the lake of fire for eternity.  Last week the United Nations passed their blueprint for a New World Order so we are on a one-way street to Armageddon.

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      47. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Benjamin Netanyahu speech at the united nations 2015
        http://www.c-span.org/video/?328487-2/i … l-assembly

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Bebe's speech was both very touching and very ominous.  We cannot stop the inevitable.  Possibly delay it maybe? Get ready & Maranatha!

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            "The Great Israel Project".  I have only listen to Ken O'Keefe on that so far.
            Things get deep.

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      48. Sgt Prepper profile image60
        Sgt Prepperposted 8 years ago

        FoxNews & NPR are both force-feeding us fairytales and pablum so we accept a socialist New World Order under Big Brother Obama.  Our creator endowed us with certain unalienable rights including to "Keep & Bear"(own and CARRY) for such a time as this.

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      49. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        The Islamic State (ISIS) is claiming the responsibility for Christians being martyred by Chris Mercer Harper at the Umpqua College Shooting. 

        See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2015/10/islamic … UDo1M.dpuf

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Instead of trying to outlaw guns Kenyan-born Obama should outlaw Moslems.

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      50. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Christians were targeted in the last mass shooting in Oregon.  Obama hasn't even mentioned the word Christians. No, instead he came out politicizing the opportunity to push his agenda on gun control. He wants to take away the people's right to defend themselves.  He wants to create more gun free zones (while he funds terrorists).

        This thread not about Kim Davis, Don.

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        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          You're right, this thread is not about Kim Davis, and it's certainly not about the mass shooting in Oregon. It's about Ben Carson not wanting a Muslim to be president because he believes Islam is not compatible with the Constitution. My point is that the interpretation of Christianity shared by Davis and many other Christians is not compatible with the constitution also. So Carson is right to question the compatibility of certain religious beliefs with the Constitution, but he is (and you are) wrong to limit that to Islam. The same thinking must apply to Christianity also. In short: some Christian belief is becoming (has become) incompatible with Constitutional law. As far as I know, all the presidential candidates from the main parties are Christians, and none are Muslims. So shouldn't the focus be on how compatible Christianity is with the Constitution, as the next president will very likely be a Christian.

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      51. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        The Obama administration style is taqiyyah style.   They want to heartlessly take away our Constitutional rights and ARE using the Islamic State as a tool for their agenda. 

        "2012 Defense Intelligence Agency document: West will facilitate rise of Islamic State “in order to isolate the Syrian regime”"
        http://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012 … an-regime/

        President Putin is right in that the US has not and is not booming ISIS.  The US has been establishing principalities and power.

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      52. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        I read about the 1519 known terrorists who were given asylum in the US under the Obama administration because their crimes were committed under duress but I had not seen the documents before.  Proof! 

        https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015 … cy-asylum/

        Before the Exercise of Authority Under Section 212(d)(3)(B)(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act was CHANGED the US had zero tolerance for terrorism. 

        http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12676472.jpg

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        1. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Oh, Obama would never put American lives at risk!  wink

          (Trolls are so easy to see through...bababababah)

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          1. Live to Learn profile image60
            Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Obama is not the first president, or the last one, to put American lives unnecessarily at risk. Don't even get me started on Bush or Clinton's failures.

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Oh, Bush and Clinton have been discussed on this thread.  It makes my blood boil because the 1% elites are above the law it seems.  And, the attacks on their watch were Islamic jihadist also.  sad

              But, that does not dismiss anyone sitting in the Oval Office acting as president who puts this nation and its people at risk everyday because of unvetted radicalized Muslims.

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          2. My Esoteric profile image86
            My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Since Judicial Watch's report is nothing more than general, unsubstantiated claims filtered through their own extremely biased lens, I can see why you believe them, lol.

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      53. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        We have Christians being martyred on American soil under Obama's Administration.  I don't believe he has even used the word Christians in his speeches politicized for gun control.  Want to talk about that instead on this thread? 

        Maybe we can talk about how a muslim president would undermine the Constitution?

        Or, maybe we can talk about how 1519 terrorist have been given asylum in the US?

        http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/ … cy-asylum/

        The US has had zero tolerance with terrorist, but under the Obama Adm. that was amended.

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        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Only if you can explain the relevance. So far I see none. What does Islam have to do with the current (Christian) President, and the future (likely to be Christian) President? Where does Islam even enter the equation? Why are you (and Ben Carson) so concerned about an imaginary future Muslim president, when all the candidates for nominations are Christians? Wouldn't it be more useful for the electorate to understand the compatibility (or not) of the beliefs held by real (Christian) candidates, rather than fictitious (Muslim) ones?

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      54. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Obama is lying to the American people, say Russian officials.  The US is not bombing ISIS.  Evidence shows that Obama is not being honest.
        http://toprightnews.com/russians-say-u- … an-people/

        "2012 Defense Intelligence Agency document: West will facilitate rise of Islamic State “in order to isolate the Syrian regime”"
        http://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012 … an-regime/

        The U.S. is under the Obama Adm. envisioned the terror group ISIS as a U.S. strategic asset in 2012.
        Nothing has changed.

        US tax payers would never agree to this. But many do not know the truth because of all the lies / propaganda from the White House and the bought MSM.

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        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Now resorted to quoting Russian propaganda? Really? Do you understand that for many people who are not religious, this type of thing only confirms the belief that religion is one of the root problems of society. Not Islam, but religion. Do you understand that this type of paranoid, religious ranting is actually driving people away from Christianity, and away from religion altogether?

          http://www.pewforum.org/files/2015/05/P … _310px.png
          http://www.gallup.com/poll/183674/confi … olics.aspx
          http://www.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx

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      55. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Hi Jonny!
        I offer my deepest apology.

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          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          However,  America Should not ‘Apologize’ For Enforcing Its Own Laws!
          Read more at http://conservativevideos.com/trey-gowd … cing-laws/

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I can only stand here as an observer.  It is not my place to pronounce a political opinion one way or another about your country's journey.
            But for all the people, on various sides of politics, each claiming to have "God" on-side, you would think it could be a much more harmonious nation.
            Could it possibly be that "God" is designed and molded to the whim of each Party and its follower?
            Could it not be that, if "fundamentalists" on either side stepped down from their pedestal, giving respect to opinions of the other side, and adopting a live-and-let-live philosophy, then neither fundamental position would need to be thrust in the other's face?
            Could it possibly be that both and every fundamentalist position falls inherently short of the mark?
            "Which mark?" you may well ask.  You tell me.
            Surely the main objective would be a more united United, more stately collection of States and an America that is much more respected world-wide?

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              The very words "In the Year of Our Lord" are found in the U.S. Constitution as it was ratified in 1787 and no U.S. President born since that date had a foreigner for a parent except one...Obama the Antichrist.

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                jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Interesting the very freedom you exercise in expressing such an ugly,  radical, hateful opinion, is granted to you by the Constitution which you quote.
                Your President, viewed from my position as a foreigner, seems to be working hard to uphold that Constitution.  When he speaks from his gut feelings, when his words seem not to have been rehearsed, then he seems most human and genuine.
                I could be wrong of course - just as you "Sgt" could be totally wrong in your assessment.
                If you think that in the stuff you mouth off, there is even one ounce of that core quality called "Love," then I'll eat my hat.  Because that is supposed to be the focus of all people who claim to be Chistian.
                G'day to you, Sir.

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      56. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        So, Christians are not suppose to be able to express what is happening or have an opinion to speak freely?  That's silly! 

        Franklin Graham is one of the most well know Christian leaders in the world. He has an opinion and is not afraid to be out spoken.  He is flat out honest, and hated for speaking the truth by many...

        He "called for the banning of all Muslims from entering the United States following the shootings in Chattanooga that left four Marines and a Navy sailor dead." ... "they do their killing to honor their religion and Muhammad."

        (During World War II, the United States would not allow Japanese or German immigration.)

        "Why are we allowing Muslims now?" he asked. "Let your Congressman know that we've got to put a stop to this and close the flood gates. Pray for the men and women who serve this nation in uniform, that God would protect them."   (out of love)

        "Franklin Graham has called Islam a "very wicked and evil religion," which caused the Pentagon to rescind an invitation for him to speak during the National Day of Prayer" 

        Under the Obama Adm. one of the greatest humanitarians of this time was rescinded an invite? 
        How can Obama be a Christian?  No!   

        http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/frankl … id/657877/

        Franklin spoke the truth in love.  Out of great concern for his children, grand children and for every living soul in America.

        I do not hate anyone, ... I love people. 
        I do hate sin, wickedness and pure evil.

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          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Rev. Franklin Graham spoke out once again.   He and his father, Billy Graham, are concerned about the "moral decline" of America.  I am too. 

          He accused the Obama administration of "celebrating sin".   I agree 100%.   

          There is no hate speech in it.  Its a WARNING!
          You can listen to his full message here...
          http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10 … ating-sin/

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Suzie, you can warn all you like.  Your beliefs are your beliefs.  You may wonder why anyone such as myself might reject all that you are saying.   Let me give you some clues.

            If, (and it's very much an if, because it's not going to happen!) I were to believe in, or accept the existence of a God, and if I wanted to worship any kind of God, there are some attributes I would not want in that God.

            I would not want a God who claimed to make all things yet rejected some of the most worthy, responsible and loving examples of his creation, i.e., individuals who found love and companionship with a member of his/her own gender.  Such a God would be to small, limited and ridiculous for me to ever consider it.

            Next, I would not want that God to have delegated judgment to any one of His/Her manufactured subjects.  There would be a danger of those subjects taking charge on their own volition, without referring to their Chief.  Injustices would abound.  The human creation would likely exterminate itself, ironically in the name of that God the Creator.

            Also, I would want that God to keep up to date in relation to changes that take place in the Creation.  If that God had made some laws/rules appertaining to conditions thousands of years ago, I would not expect Him/Her to impose such antiquated  laws in a modern day society, if the society had evolved way beyond the conditions of yesteryear. 

            So you see, Suzie, your God can never be my God.  Your assessment of morality, especially where it rejects the homosexual orientation which is integral to my character and personality, is rejected outright.  Your superstitions, your snide judgment of me (even though you say you love me, but hate my evil actions, you don't know what my actions are or have been - any judgment on your part is false and irrelevant), your judgment of others whom you don't know, cannot know the details of their lives....everything about your pronouncements here is a rejection of the Christ Principle.  And please note, it's no use you saying, "Ah, but it's not me that judges you, it's God himself."  There ain't no god but the one in your mind.  You are responsible for your mind, not me or anyone else.

            If you want to apply laws as depicted in the Old Testament, have the courage to apply all the laws, without cherry-picking.  Then go to the Middle Eastern countries where many of those old laws  - and the relevant punishments - are applied to this day.   Live there.  Try to survive more than 3 days, whilst observing the laws you want me to abide by.

            If you want to save yourself that trouble, go read a book by Hanavee.  You can read about it in his Hub.  Just search for Hanavee here in HubPages, it's easy.  All the information you need in order to stop being a hate-filled Christian is in that book.

            Hopefully you will have the intelligence to see where I am coming from.

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              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Dear Jonny, 

              For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?  - 1 Peter 4:17

              I can handle your judgments but they are wasted on me. 

              Blessed are those who are persecuted....
              because of righteousness,
              for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

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                jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Ok. Any more argument would be a waste of time.  Case closed.  Wishing you well.  Goodbye.

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                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I wish you well, too. Thank you.

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      57. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        The City of Des Planes, Ill. offered a different location for the mosque.
        But that is not stopping Obama's DOJ from suing.   

        http://www.mrctv.org/blog/doj-sues-chic … 8wuxt:0Tzk

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        1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
          Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil."  Isaiah 5:20

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        2. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Obama's DOJ  Department of Jihad is using federal power for an Islamic group. 

          Here is a direct link to the United States Attorney's Office
          http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/pr/jus … mic-center

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      58. colorfulone profile image77
        colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

        Obama is a pervert! 
        http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12701599.jpg

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          PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Now, that's pithy!

          http://urbanmogullife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/483937_10151022652182626_42879657_n.jpg

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Insulting. Possibly if not probably untrue. Bigoted. Inappropriate and unfair.   The affair bit, because the President is not in a position to come on here, to HubPages, and openly confront you. 

            If he was standing in front of you, in person, would you have the courage to say those words to him?

            You have a nation that supports and protects Free Speech.  With that Right comes also Responsibility.  Do you uphold that principle? 

            Try living in a country where you do not have such a Freedom....where you would be thrown into jail or hung by the neck in public for saying such a thing about the Head of Government.  For this reason, everyone needs to exercise personal responsibility when making accusations.

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            1. Live to Learn profile image60
              Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I don't perceive that as insulting. Obama did make the statement. As did, I assume, Lincoln. Free speech isn't always pretty. Neither is the truth.

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            2. Lady_E profile image62
              Lady_Eposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Well said, Johnny.

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        2. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

          Obama administration's moral injustice! 
          (perverted)

          Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor gets treated like a hero. 
          (he should be hung)


          "Sergeant Charles Martland, stands accused of forcefully removing a child rapist from a U.S. military base in order to defend a child."
          (a hero who may be expelled from the military)

          http://aclj.org/free-speech/the-blatant … t-martland

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          1. colorfulone profile image77
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Please, sign the petition to support the hero.

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          2. Lady_E profile image62
            Lady_Eposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Johnny noted to you "your beliefs are your beliefs" and I second that.
            Your beliefs are your blimmin beliefs!
            No doubt you can lead the Country better.
            (Don't bother replying cos I won't  read it).

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            1. colorfulone profile image77
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Cheriff David Clarke,  "The president of the United States
              lacks the courage to look at the black community and tell
              them to look in the mirror as the source of their problems."

              "Their participation rates in violent crimes are off the charts.
              Lies repeated over and over again by the president are not a
              substitute for empirical research."

              http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12716986.jpg

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              1. Credence2 profile image77
                Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                We got no problem with a surplus of UncleToms who have become unwitting tools of the right wing reactionary. It started with Uncle Tom, then Uncle Ben and now Uncle Clarke. Besides the mirror, there is plenty to see from the inside window pane as to cause and effect.

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Aunt Jemima too?

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                  1. Credence2 profile image77
                    Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Yeah, her too....

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                  2. colorfulone profile image77
                    colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I love Aunt Jemima.

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                    1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      That proves you are not a racist just like the whites who voted for Obama.

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                      1. colorfulone profile image77
                        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        PROOF? 
                        I don't know if I should laugh or cry.  tongue

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                    2. Credence2 profile image77
                      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Why don't you have her make you a nice steaming plate of hotcakes, you will love her even more.

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                2. GA Anderson profile image90
                  GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Hey bud, I noticed a couple of your mentions, (in other comments of course) that the "Righties" were not getting any more slack from you.

                  I guess the proof is in the pudding. To see you take a direction that includes such statements as this; "...We got no problem with a surplus of UncleToms...," was more than a bit of a surprise to me.

                  I am still pondering why that brought to mind a recollection that somewhere in the past, Hillary was openly criticized, (by the Right of course), for addressing crowds and events as one of them.  Maybe something about adopting a Southern draw when speaking to Southern state groups, or maybe a bit of grammatical rearrangement when addressing certain other groups. Perhaps it is even just my imagination that your use of "We got no..." seemed different from my recollections of past conversations where "We don't have any...", or "We have no..." would have been more likely than "We got no..."

                  Such a blanket condemnation of of a "type" person, (in this case ones with your skin color), sounds like it comes from the frustration that they refuse to agree with you. Just what determines someone is an "Uncle Tom" to you? Hmm...

                  I will check out Sheriff David Clarke and jump right in and agree with you, if your opinion of him is as grounded as I have found some of your opinions in the past. On the other hand...

                  *Good to see you have a little more forum time recently. My schedule has also adjusted, allowing me to 'justify' (LOL), more time to jump in.

                  GA

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                  1. Credence2 profile image77
                    Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    So, nice to see you have returned

                    Not that righties have ever got any slack from me....

                    The term "We got" is an unfortunately grammatical error on my part. There is no reflection of a "southern dialect or patois", I am Western. Don't all politicians try to be relevant to the crowds to whom they speak directly? Hillary panders a bit more than I would like, but it could be worse and I have seen worse.

                    Any black man that allies himself with the reactionary radical right is an Uncle Tom, by pure definition. Such a man with a reasonable understanding of the Black experience in America would or should know this. He just as well align himself with Donald Trump, Bull Conner, George Wallace or even the Grand Wizard.

                    Note, that I distinguish this designation from what would be Black conservatives such as the late Edward Brooke, Colin Powell or even Condolezza Rice. Be clear, you can be conservative and not receive my blanket condemnation, but you can't be reactionary. But yet, that is what today's GOP is becoming, is it not?

                    There is a reason that the Alan Keyes and Ben Carsons do relatively poorly politically in the AA community.

                    Leave it to the rightwinger to trot out 1 example to extoll that takes their position but ignore the other 99 equally qualified voices who do not...

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                    1. GA Anderson profile image90
                      GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Hey bud, forget about the "We got...," I wasn't criticizing your grammar, just reflecting on a recollection.

                      Now here is where it gets really interesting...

                      A white man arguing with a black man about what an Uncle Tom is...

                      But wait, I have an explanation.

                      My first thoughts when I hear Uncle Tom, are ones related to a black man, (I wonder why it comes as specifically black man, instead of black person?), who can't be trusted, who would do anything to get in good with white folks, (typically white bosses). In other words, someone who betrays his brothers. That is the image I have.

                      So your use of it in your comment caught my interest.

                      Now you are telling me that Uncle Tom means something different to you. As a foolish white guy, I had to go look it up. Multiple definitions ranged from; to be too subservient or servile, to the Urban dictionary's "...will do anything too ingratiate himself to the white man"

                      So, my thoughts seemed to be inline with the latter definition, too obedient or servile weren't in my first thoughts.

                      And one more "So." So that's why it seems to me your declaration that the "Surplus of Uncle Toms" you have includes Clarke and Carson, just doesn't seem right to me.

                      I certainly don't see Carson as a reactionary radical, and my first looks at Sheriff Clarke did not leave that impression either, (but it was a quick look).

                      So nope, I think you labeled them because they disagree with what you agree with.  I think you intended the rhetoric to amp up your point. Which appears to sorely need.

                      ps. I don't know what your last paragraph about 1 example and extoll 99 etc. refers to.

                      GA

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                      1. Credence2 profile image77
                        Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        The character as portrayed in the Stowe novel of over century and a half ago, shows a subservient man slavishly devoted to his master even up to death. Forsaking the best interests of himself and his own to toward this end. Your question is a good one. We see the reactionary rightwing as the “white man’s” system, the new ‘massa’. This is, of course, all dressed up to swing with 21st century expectations and sensibilities.

                        It is known that flies are never that far from excrement, speaking of which, Donald Trump with his bombastic attacks on ethnic groups and his endorsement from some of most loathsome white supremacist organizations certainly show that the “massa” concept has merely received a fresh coat of paint, not eliminated. While Trump is bombastic and coarse, Dr. Carson is mild-mannered. But in regards to xenophobia and such they both say the same thing. The same radio station just at a different volumes. Carson should know that Trump’s arguments about race and immigration along with that of the radical right would just as easily been applied to him and his family over a half century ago. Dr. Carson does an high-five with a man that had been guilty of housing discrimination in New York City for years. This Trump now is more than willing to stick a shiv in the ribs of Dr. Carson now that he losing in the polls. Sounds like that ole’ milquetoast of the Stowe novel.  I confess that I do not know a great deal about Clarke, but of course anyone who takes issue with the predominant attitude of AA community is going to be a staple on Fox. Just like Hermain Cain, Alan Keyes and any number of contrarians, Fox has to be paying them a bundle….

                        So, if their political approach aligns itself with the Reactionary Right, then they can be nothing less than my enemy with no room for negotiation. If their opinion amounts to another voice for the radical right, then I am attacking them for that opinion and stance. There is room for blue with the spectrum moving out toward purple, but RED is out!

                        Such is the basis of the "Credence Corollary". There is no room for radical rightwingers, Black or White, period.

                        As for the last ps, I was saying that the Right will focus on the word of some Sheriff Clarke and ignore the opinions and views of the preponderence of AA law enforcement professionals. That is neither a scientific nor ethical approach

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                        1. GA Anderson profile image90
                          GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                          I haven't read the book, so accepting your description, I wonder why he behaved that way. Was it purely in selfish self-interest, or could his motivation have been authentic beliefs that are contrary to the perceived norm? Or was it related to a weak character not strong enough to accept new life changes?

                          For me that would matter. I only hold one image of "Uncle Tom," and that is one that always makes me think of purposely negative and selfish actions. I don't think I am being stubborn, but so far most of your explanations boil down to ideological bottom lines that disagree. Your "Uncle Tom" feels like rhetoric. If your point is valid, why do you need to use it?

                          And then along comes "The Donald."  Your effort to include Donald Trump with Dr. Carson can only seem like a guilt-by-association smear. Because he agrees with many, (hopefully you will agree with not all), of his ideas or policy directions? How did you feel about Pres. Obama when he suffered similar labeling over his association with Bill Ayers?

                          If Ben Carson's personality, demeanor, and character remained exactly the same, but... he was talking your talk... would you still think of him as an "Uncle Tom?"

                          ps. Maybe you better poll that "Credence Corollary" name idea. Isn't corollary also some type of heart attack, or blood vessel, or something to do with blood? That's what I thought anyway. Gotta watch my health, so I'll be keeping an eye out.

                          GA

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                  2. GA Anderson profile image90
                    GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Sheriff David Clarke does seem like an interesting fellow. If his Wikipage has any validity, it appears he is a well educated fellow with an honest background. Financial and operational statistics, (plus three 4-year elections as a Democrat), that indicate he was good at his job. So with respect to his character history - he doesn't seem like a nut-case yahoo to me.

                    Beyond his Wikipage I see that he is very outspoken in a very un-PC way, (penis envy?), and a favorite of Fox. The obvious perception to me is that he is a true "Rightie." So he definitely sees issues differently from you. Is that what makes him an Uncle Tom? Or has he betrayed his like-skinned brethren by some sort of connivery or hypercritical actions, or verifiable scandalous collusion? Can a black person only be conservative if he isn't outspoken about it?

                    Com'on Cred, just looking for some forum action aren't you? You aren't part of a sting operation are you? Looking ahead to a radio personality or political gig? You haven't bought any new flashy suits lately have you?

                    I will have some cheese and crackers, (and a couple Martinis), ready for our continuance of this new Credence2 philosophy. smile

                    GA

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                      jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Have you an extra glass handy, GA?  Or this going to be a very closed-shop gathering two ol' buddie?   smile  wink

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                      1. GA Anderson profile image90
                        GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Of course you, and anyone else, are welcome to pull up a chair. I do have one extra glass, but after that the other folks will have to look to the bar.

                        GA

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                    2. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Basically any black person who is not a thug, liberal or Moslem is an Uncle Tom.

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                        jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Wow!  Now who's stirring the pot and calling himself the kettle?!

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                      2. Credence2 profile image77
                        Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        So this ethnic group is composed of liberals, Moslems and thugs, no wonder we vote consistently against you and are determined to undermine your every move and thought?

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                      3. GA Anderson profile image90
                        GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        No, your reading is your own.  You did not get that from my response.

                        GA

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                    3. Credence2 profile image77
                      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      Radio personality, I wish. I call it the Credence Corollary,  Black right wing reactionary affiliation = Uncle Tom. Being paraded around on Fox News does not give him credibility, in fact it reduces it.

                      We discussed that conservatism is acceptable but the reactionary is not. What would I say if I took a white bedsheet from someone's  head and shoulders and found a black man beneath it, same difference. So, there is more involved than just seeing things differently.

                      Also, Fox is using this one firebrand to dislodge the general opinion of the AA community as we have heard these kinds before.

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                        wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Wow, Credence!  It used to be that any black that was financially successful or lived in a nice house was an "uncle Tom".  When did it change to any black not in line with your political opinions?

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                        1. Credence2 profile image77
                          Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                          Hello, Wilderness, see my latest comment to GA above, rather than I be redundant here...

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                      2. GA Anderson profile image90
                        GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        I certainly don't want to stumble into defending Fox, but could the credibility loss you see be less acute than others see it, or could that loss be offset by a gain from others? Just sayin'

                        It would be tough for me to argue with your definition as previously stated;"...reactionary radical right..." (what happened to "radical" in this current definition?), if I imagined "...reactionary radical right..." to be as bad as it sounds. But I bet "reactionary" and "Radical" would get varied responses from any group of like-minded folks, (Ha, just realized this was an opportunity to slip in a Clinton reference), and trying to reach an understanding would be like Clinton's "Is."

                        Even stretching, I can't see anything reactionary or radical about Mr. Carson. Which your inclusion of means Reactionary Radical has a much lower threshold than I would place. Still following the crumbs, your apparently much lowered threshold could point to something as simple as disagreeing with what you think they should be.

                        I am only using Mr. Carson as a gauge because I don't know Mr. Clarke, and though I still would not call him "...reactionary radical right..." either,  I am not impressed by most of what I did see of him.

                        To your bed sheet example; beyond the more primary evil and illegal considerations, Yes, that black head under the sheet, would call the Uncle Tom image to mind. Unless it, (the head), was involved in violence and mayhem, then my first thoughts would be of a lot of more serious and nasty names, but not Uncle Tom.

                        Could it be possible that the "general opinion of the AA community" might just need some prodding? In no way do I mean Fox or its efforts, but some of the messages and efforts of some of these folks you have labeled Uncle Toms seem pretty credible? I am almost certain I recollect even you agreeing with some of them. The ones about personal responsibility, (Bill Cosby, Ben Carson, and others), and the importance of fatherhood and personal integrity.

                        These are some of the messages and advocated positions that these "...reactionary radical right..." (oops, forgot to strike the "Radical"), "...reactionary right..."Uncle Toms, by your definition, earned their label with?

                        Yes Cred, if I envisioned the actions of a black man as being the worst that reactionary radical could imply, (to me), then I would also agree with your definition, but I don't think we are seeing the same picture.

                        I can't see, using your definition, anything that makes Ben Carson an Uncle Tom. Many of his antagonists have promoted the image that he is a weak, timid, and easily forced man. Yet you see him as a forceful reactionary radical?

                        GA

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                          Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                          The man in the sheet analogy would still be an uncle tom, and if he were violent I could think of other names for him.

                          Dr. Carson associates with the reactionary and supports their policies and positions, allowing them to infiltrate a reactionary white in black face. No one says that he has to be a bomb thrower, but his quiet mild mannered demeanor should not be mistaken for moderation. He is anything but, based on xenophobic statements made by him as of late.

                          Bill Cosby makes some good points, but even he calls Trump a fool for racist statements or such he has made in the past. And you can bet Cosby wouldn't be caught dead running for any political office as a Republican.  There are many points you have to touch to become 'reactionary', but as beyond belief as it would seem there are few black folks that manage to touch all of the buttons. Carson is one of them

                          You and I did speak of the difference between being conservative vs reactionary.

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          colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

          Alinsky’s tactics do not affect me, sorry. 

          I thought you said "goodbye"... hello!

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            PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ehm53RAq1rd1o4ko1_540.png

            Not her own thoughts, not her own conclusions.  They originate from someone too crazy even for Fox News.

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        4. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

          Obama is just as guilty as Hillary Clinton on the email scam. 
          They are guilty of braking the law.
          And, are contemptible.   
          I would tell them to their faces that they need to step down from their offices.   

          http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill- … ry-clinton

          "When the President of the United States gets an official notification from his Secretary of State from BestMattressDeals99@yahoo.com, or any email that does not end in dot gov, then he too is complicit in this lawlessness, and for the same reason.

          Barack Obama’s Press Secretary, Josh Earnest, admits that the President did receive emails from his Secretary of State"  (you can listen to the video and hear it for yourself).

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            As an outsider, I cannot know the facts about this matter.  I cannot know whether what you are saying is true or false.   That is for you and your compatriots to decide.

            From a distance, and the impression I get from your posts, it looks like you are on a party-political agenda.  In other words, to unseat the President, whatever it takes.  We get similar party-politics here in Australia.

            The result tends to be the same.  Everyone loses trust in the politics, the process, the individuals concerned and - ourselves, each one doubting the efficacy of the other.

            Even when the top players get impeached, put up before the people of the country in court, to answer questions about their activity and their intentions, the end result is more doubt, more distrust, more dislocation.  The accusations will be dropped or watered down to the point no clear resolution is reached.

            The antidote to this malady might be to drop the incessant adversarial confrontation and work towards dialogue, honestly wanting truth and best outcome for everyone concerned.

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              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              A party-political agenda? 
              My agenda is to post the truth in hopes that people will wake up.
              Obama needs to be removed from office and the sooner the better.
              All of the corrupt career politicians need to be removed.
              The US government is corrupt on both sides.

              What "incessant adversarial confrontation"? 
              I see adversarial confrontations on this thread but not by me. 
              That would be your perception.  ( malady? )

              I'm not hateful, angry, or anything else people have been saying in their posts on this thread.  No. I would say I have stepped on some sensitive toes because of the knee jerk reactions. If people do not want to follow the thread or the links I post and find out for themselves they don't have to.

              I'm just reporting some truths. Just a messenger.  I wasn't going to post on here anymore but after I read the recent posts I changed my mind.  More truth.

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              1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                So, when does "Posting the Truth" start Happening?? smile

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                1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
                  Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  colorfulone always posts truth.

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                  1. Alternative Prime profile image57
                    Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    <personal attack snipped> ~ sad

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        5. colorfulone profile image77
          colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

          I do not believe I have linked to anything on Fox News. 
          If I were to I would be sure that I researched it. 
          I haven't watched the news on TV for over two years. 
          MSM isn't worth much. 

          Edited to add:
          What "incessant adversarial confrontation"? wink

          BTW: Forum Rules
          http://hubpages.com/faq/#forums-rules

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            jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Suzie, if you haven't watched tv news in two years, what is your source of information on The President?  Insider knowledge?

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            1. Sgt Prepper profile image60
              Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Both Fox News & NPR are fully owned and operated by The Illuminati like all of the mainstream media and major publishers. We are force-fed fairy-tales and pablum while we ingest and absorb massive amounts of flouride, iodide, and soft-metals until we can no longer think for ourselves.  Alternative news sources available only via the internet are our last fairly reliable information.  Snopes & Rationalwiki are propoganda too.  Try RaptureReady.com  911truth.org  beforeitsnews.com  BirtherReport.com

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                rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I can understand your wanting to find order with all the crap that is going on but you still have to approach a reasonable discussion with some type of objectivity. Preaching and proffering an agenda to apply to everything is hard to digest and futile at worst.

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