Does it bother you liberals and Prius owners that Obama is campaigning with a million dollar bus built in Canada that probably gets about 5 miles to the gallon due to all the armor it carries, and that it isn't being driven much, it's being flown around, escorted by fighter jets, and paid with by your taxes?
As a conservative it doesn't bother me much if he wants to fool you all again. Are you really going to think he's just a regular guy because he flies his bus around? I want to know what liberals think of it? I imagine you must be fuming at the bad example, or are you just hypocrites when it comes to your leader?
You're right. I never thought about that. Obama is contributing to global warming much more than the average person in this country.
That's it - I'm voting Bachmann!
Can anyone be seriously considering Bachmann ---- Don't get me wrong, I KNOW you're joking...
She won the Iowa straw poll a couple of weeks ago...
Funny she won, then she tanked in the polls. I think everyone has seen why she was not the right choice
Yeah, she "won". A vote in the Iowa straw poll costs $30. The Bachmann camp covered the cost for anyone coming in their tent (which was air conditioned and catered). They covered the cost for about 6,000 votes (that's $180,000 spent by her campaign), and Bachmann won with about 4,000 votes. That means only about 2/3rds of the people whose votes she paid for actually voted for her! The Iowa straw poll is irrelevant. W. Bush and Dole are the only candidates to win the straw poll and go on to win the GOP nomination.
All elections are bought.
But maybe Bachmann's money was short-lived, now that Perry's in the race.
I would say that's almost certainly the case. Perry is seen as far more likely to appeal to moderates.
Really? The more you listen to what this man says, the more you realize that he has either no idea what he's talking about, or that he's another fringe weirdo.
Of course liberals don't consider smart people for President. We know that, you proved it last election.
The only carbon foot print I want to see on Obama is of my foot in his a** kicking him to the curb in 2012! I've had enough of this incompetent narcissist!
Lady_love, amazing how well narcissism is mistaken for leadership huh?
you mean a failure to lead...or maybe you meant lead as in leads us into hell
I meant his narcissism is mistaken as confidence and knowledge and leadership, when he has no real skills. Commonly happens to narcissists, then people find out they made a big mistake. The guy has never had a real job. No I don't count the adjunct professor as a real job.
Really? Obama's not a regular guy? OMG!
Thank you for letting me know. I'm so tired of being fooled!
PrettyPanther, isn't he trying to convince us he's a regular guy by pretending to tour in a bus? Why else is he flying his bus around with a fighter escort? Could you answer that, or too tough for ya? I'm not the one criticizing him, I thought you liberals should be for being such a hypocrite. No matter what, Obama could come in your house, kick your dog and you will still think he's the smartest guy around. Well, he probably would be around most liberals.
"isn't he trying to convince us he's a regular guy by pretending to tour in a bus?" I don't know. Probably.
"I'm not the one criticizing him." Coulda fooled me.
"I thought you liberals should be for being such a hypocrite." I have plenty of more important things to criticize him about, and I do. Can't speak for all liberals, though, since we do have minds of our own.
"No matter what, Obama could come to your house, kick your dog and you will still think he's the smartest guy around." Really? Kicking a dog is no indication of intelligence or lack thereof. However, if Obama came to my house and kicked my dog, he would be kicked out of my house. [Sitting here laughing at myself for responding to such a silly statement to begin with. Perhaps I am the one lacking intelligence.]
"Well, he probably would be around most liberals." He might be, given that his I.Q. is reported to be among the top 0.15% of the population.
Now, wasn't my other answer more fun? It was for me, and a lot less waste of time.
Yes, it bothers me, but Prevosts can run on biodiesel and between Obama and Bachman/Perry/Romney/Palin/etc. who do you think is most likely to actually do that?
I don't give a rip who burns what. I think you liberals that are so concerned with making the rest of us live like cavemen should make sure your leaders practice what they preach. Anyway, I don't think any of the Republicans will be flying their buses around with a fighter escort. Jets don't burn biodiesel. And doesn't it bother you that your President may be burning FOOD in his bus? Don't you care about the starving kids in this country?
I think you're confusing biodiesel with biofuels. Biodiesel is usually made with used cooking oil, so it uses waste products, not food. I'm opposed to corn and soy based biofuels, which do burn food, so no need to lecture me about the evils of those.
Yes, I guess I was. What about flying the bus around with a fighter escort. Can't you guys make some noise about your guy just wasting and wasting and basically insulting our intelligence that he needs to tour in a bus to make us think he's one of the little people?
As a conservative maybe you can enlighten the rest of us as to how the GOP hopefuls are getting around. Walking are they?
LiamBean, the question is; are you going to hold your President accountable for wasting resources and spewing much more carbon than he needs to. Why can't liberals answer a question? I don't care what either party drives, but the democrats are hypocrites about driving and carbon. Obama said if we would just inflate our tires we wouldn't need to drill for oil. What a hypocrite, and you liberals just go along with it. I know a couple of CEO's of environmental groups here, one has a mansion of a log home, and the other drives an SUV. Do as I say, not as I do should be your motto.
Do I detect sarcasm livelonger? I believe a President has to travel protected, but is it ok for a liberal President to waste so much?
You are right. You can try to chip away at Obama's decisions, but since most right-wing partisans' criticisms have either been ridiculous, untrue, or incredibly hypocritical, I and most other liberals have learned to tune you out.
No matter how bad Obama is, he's a trillion times better than any of the buffoons and liars that are currently clamoring for the GOP nomination.
I'm not criticizing him livelonger. I said that. I don't care. I wondered if you hypocritical liberals would call him on his hypocrisy. Of course you won't. How is Marxisim/socialism/communism, or if you like - progressive-central-control a trillion times better? Fails everywhere it's tried. But your dear leader will make it all better. How about if he spreads the wealth around and gives me a flying bus tour? Would that piss you off? If he gave you one? It's always ok for liberals to do what they want as long as they are forcing the rest of us to buy toilets that don't flush, and light bulbs that don't work.
I'm wondering if you've actually met and interacted with a real liberal in person, or if you've decided who we are and what we believe based on a bunch of stereotypes. My guess is the latter based on this post.
I've met real liberals, my sons in-laws are real liberals. They rail on about the unending wars Bush started and never mention that their guy continues them. They conveniently forget Obama said he was closing Guantanamo but never has, don't get them started on Abu Ghraib, that bit of history will surely cause the enemy to hate us. Every liberal I have ever met has claimed to be a more caring person than I just because they vote for democrats. I volunteer my time for Habitat for Humanity and oddly enough all of the people who have been there working beside me are conservative. How do I know? Because its my family members/friends and I who are the only ones there. This is my experience and it may be a different story for you, but I find that most liberals talk a good game but are content to sit on the sidelines.
You have a sample size of, what, 2?
They're your sons-in-law. Probably never good enough for your daughters anyway, huh?
As for Habitat for Humanity: good for you. How do you know the people working around you are conservative?
You seem quick to make a lot of silly generalizations.
My sons in-laws not my son in-laws. her parents, brothers, sister. I live 15 miles from downtown Austin Texas, trust me I have met many liberals. I told you how I knew the people working with me were conservative. You seem too quick to post, you should try reading.
Sorry, then you're grammar's off.
Son's in-laws? (i.e. you have one son)
Sons' in-laws? (i.e. you have more than one son)
I thought you meant sons-in-law.
Without punctuation, you were ambiguous. My reading's not the problem, your writing is.
I have a real sample size as I belong to a union.
"You seem quick to make a lot of silly generalizations"
Heck of an accusation coming from you Jason. All your posts here are generalizations. Then you go on an attack of his family. Sorry, but it was uncalled for, but I know you will not do anything about it.
That wasn't an attack on his family.
He said he knew some liberals, his "sons in laws". I thought he meant his sons-in-law, which would be, most likely 2-3 people.
If you want to stick up for people simply because they're conservative like you are, even if it means ignoring what's plain as day, then go ahead. That's exactly the type of reductive thinking that's causing so many problems in this country.
Sorry to inform your typical assuptions, but I am an independent. Why is it everyone on the left cannot face facts, try to deflect the issue by blame, get caught at it, then try to cover it with lame excuses. That is where the true problem in this country lies.
Talk about reductive thinking you responded:
"but since most right-wing partisans' criticisms have either been ridiculous, untrue, or incredibly hypocritical, I and most other liberals have learned to tune you out." You went on calling them "buffoons and liars". Glad to see you are tolerant and open minded.
I was not talking about whether he wrote something grammitcaly correct. Since we all are not journalists, some of us are handicapped as they try to master the keyboard, errors are to be expected. Most do not try to put down someone by being an english teacher grading a paper.
What I was pointing out was your comment what he thought of his Son-in Law. For all you know he is real tight with him. But you went out there insinuated they were not good enough for his daughter. Why even make that comment. It was no where near the topic of this thread.
I live in liberal hell. In person they are just as bad as online. At least online they will say something, they have time to think or hide behind anonymity. In real life they just clam up when asked a question. Except for one that I know of and we can have rational discussions on anything disagreeing the whole time. But only one.
Try a little respect. Maybe the liberals you interact with "clam up" because you're going a little aggro on them, and personalizing a political discussion.
And I should add, that I don't see how my responses, trying to get liberals to admit their President made a bad choice is so terribly bad, or that I don't know any liberals. The opposite should be the conclusion. Based on my question, you could assume I knew how you would answer. But that shouldn't even be an issue, you should be able to answer the question, but most want to ridicule because that's all they know.
Yep, I'd probably "clam up" and stop talking to you if you talked to me like that, too.
From what I've seen,intelligence-wise, bigfoot is in the in the White House. Before I'm called a racist. The only thing I like about Obama is that he is black. I'm proud you democrats have come so far from the KKK. I know, you don't know your history. Lincoln started the Republican Party. The south was democrat. Where did the KKK start? In the south.
Talk about carbon footprint... that bus tour turns out even the buses were flown from from location to location and Obama only was on the bus for a couple of miles at a time!
He needed the purty pictures of himself in the bus kind a like when he went to "visit" the wounded soldiers and spent all his time taking photographs while " GW " was in there for six hours taking the time to thank them for their sacrifice and later getting kicked out by OBama. Wow.
Do I detect just a smidgeon of one sided spin here? Or is it just business as usual in the political forums?
Did it occur to you that the vast majority of that footprint is due to the American people protecting their president from harm?
Maybe we should shut down the freeways everywhere as the president drives by in the government owned and operated armored limo with a 50 vehicle cavalcade of secred service. He could take over whole motel floors each night as he takes a week to cross the country and people scream that he isn't in the white house. We could always send in the secret service to any restaurant a week ahead and watch that he isn't poisoned.
Or maybe just fire the secret service (who has probably mandated the whole process anyway) as making too much carbon. Give him a scooter and turn him loose.
Or maybe just deny him the opportunity for re-election. That one wouldn't bother me any! And I'm even a Prius owner.
No, I agree with you, the President has to be protected and flying his car around is an answer to that. My problem is why a bus? Why try to make it look like he's riding around in a bus when he's not? And why aren't liberals making some noise about his footprint? If it isn't important, then quit shoving that bs down our throats.
Apparently he only travels by bus a few miles at a time and flies the rest. The option might be a chopper or the armored limo - the chopper is worse and the limo not much better than the bus for a few miles.
I just don't think that the footprint of our president matters much to anyone, liberal or conservative. There are too many special considerations that others don't face; it is one man out of 350,000,000 and there is no one else that compares with the need for expensive, dirty transportation.
No question out President needs to be protected at all time. But the 3 day tour was exrelemy expensive they way in which it was conducted. Were you aware that the secret service rented all the rooms in 2 hotles so the President had a place to take a nap? very true. He had the Bus, He was being flown around, both had seperate bedroom where he could take a nap. The cost of the busses really is not an issue for they needed to be built that way for protection. The issue is they were not purchased here, not one american job created. The last issue is this was a campaign event, the bus was to copy what Palin was doing, it should not have been paid for with tax payer money. It should have been paid for by the Obama re-election campaign.
Another bizarre political thread. Does anyone actually discuss the issues, or simply rail on about nonsensical little details they find irritating?
The president has always had a bus from what I understand. This one actually saves money from what I've read. They used to get a Greyhound bus and retrofit it and then once they were done they had to return it to its original state.
If you remember, Bush had a bus tour too. Did you complain about that, or is it Ok for Republicans?
I said before, I don't care about the bus. Why don't liberals care about the footprint he's leaving? It's the liberals that should be caring. Where are they? Are you all such hypocrites that you think this is "bizarre." And I give some leeway that Presidents are going to campaign while saying they aren't, but this is over the top.
Here's the issue: the environment. You liberals cry and cry over it but when your President spews carbon all over it, where are you?
Hypocrisy is the middle name of all politicians. Obama doesn't have a lock on it. I simply wonder why any of us are willing to play into their hands.
We need to force Washington to address the real issues, but they never will as long as the average citizens are willing to get bogged down in arguments such as this one.
We cant even agree on what the real issues are! The left has created this phony issue of the less fortunate and that its the role of government to address this. I'm sorry but that is NOT the role of government, its the role of people, you and me! Government has one purpose, to keep us free. What we.nee Washington to do is fire the whole lot of those that aren't doing that job and to eliminate regulations that infringe on our liberty.
Ok. I'll be honest. You are one that may never agree with anyone, unless they accept your position lock, stock and barrel. The average American citizen is actually capable of fair and equitable compromise.
The issues are resolvable because those of us who recognize this fact can see that it is the rabble rousers who want the pot churned up. You aren't trying to make it boil over in a manner that will help the American people. You are trying to keep it on a slow boil to ensure that anyone who can even remotely see your point refuses to address the issues in a fair and equitable manner. It's going to backfire on your party and they might regret attempting to use this format to push that agenda.
Think about the reasons the last few presidential elections have been virtual dead heats. The middle has no where to turn, but we exercise our rights to vote. Sooner or later we will resolve the problem and admit neither party is playing fairly. When that finally happens and a third party is formed, it will look like a cold hard winter at your conventions.
We are growing weary of these trite and childish games.
Honey, freedom isn't a game and if your party insists on trying to destroy us by taking it away you're the ones that will be left out in the cold. You saw it in 2010 and you're going to see it even stronger in 2012. We regular Americans have grown tired of compromising our liberty for your follish ideas. Your true agenda has been revealed for what it is and you and the rest of your evil liberal friends will soon be sent packing to plot your next attempt at our destruction. I wonder what you'll be reborn as? Maybe you'll calk yourselves the "freedom" party and adopt the communist bill of rights as your sales tool. Yes, it all sounds good on paper, and for a while you'll fool enough people but eventually your evil will be revealed and dealt with!
The left took your liberty? Who was in office when the Patriot act was passed. Republicans. Who bullied phone companies into letting the government troll for phone calls, completely ignoring the law of the land. Republicans.
This idiotic attempt by Republicans to make it appear as if the left is Satan does not work. Your party needs to give it up. Both parties are guilty of crimes against the American people. Both parties are in bed with everyone, but us. Both parties have turned their backs on us.
Man, I truly hope you are working a script and not typing from the top of your head.
The level of your misunderstanding knows no bounds! Do you think only republucans were in office when the patriot act was passed? Obama voted FOR the patriot act as a senator, expanded it and extended it as president! Obama, a harvard educated constitutional law professor signed into law his unconstitutional health care mandate!
Yes both parties have been guilty of expanding the power of government beyond allowable constitutional limits, much of this as a result of "compromise" with the left which to a larger extent is guilty of shoving down the throats of American people unconstitutional laws like FDR did with social security. Especially now in the present the left is the greater evil, but all evil must be confronted regardless of where it cones from.
Saying other people don't understand and then posting nonsensical statements doesn't really support your position. But then, little does. So, you haven't hurt your argument.
Saying my statements are nonsensical and providing no evudence to support that characterization only proves you are notihng more than a liberal ideologue that lacks any knowlege and consequently addds nothing to the debate. I know you here as another name that "left". I guess instead of informing yourself you just come back with a new id and the same dopey arguments.
You and your cronies have offered absolutely nothing to refute. This is a pointless thread only started as an opportunity to vent frustration. And continually calling me a liberal does not make me one. I've voted Republican more than Democratic in my lifetime. But, this type of thread pushes me toward the left more than it pulls me to the right.
My reply to this went to the bottom too. Thanks for the posts Emile.
As an open minded person, liberals have become extreme and made me close my mind to the endless rhetoric from the left. Liberals now are trying to dismantle this country.....the same country many lost their lives to create and maintain so it is no joke. Liberals are upset because those of us who believe in the founding principals of this country have finally grown tired of being silenced by biased media and the left in general. When I started writing again I intended to write articles on business but due to the fact that if conservatives do not stand up and voice their opinion there will be no more businessess at least in the sense of the free market, I find that I am consumed with writing about the Obamination in the WH. With all of this said, I still believe a liberal who has a valid point should voice it but if a liberal wants to simply continue to spew hate and attacks than may I suggest they crawl back under the rock they came from and allow the rest of us to continue to move forward and contribute.
I'm not a liberal, nor do I think I am the one on this thread spewing hatred. Just so we're clear. Are you suggesting I need to crawl under a rock? If so, please have the intestinal fortitude to say it clearly.
my comment was in general not directed at you or anyone in particular.
That would make perfect sense, if you hadn't replied to my post in order to say it and your comment had little to do with my statement. If not adressed to me, one would think you would have simply replied to the OP.
look, I am trying to be civil, what I say stands for itself. I do not like liberals these days or what they stand for. case closed. I stand behind what the lady originally said as I feel the same way.
and my I say your comment that the president if that is what you call that monster always had a bus then why did he just buy it custom made using tax payer dollars from canada...maybe because he is a failure and a socialist.
You guys have serious issues. Read up on who ordered the bus. Why it was ordered. Why they say it will save money. This intolerable hatred will backfire. Why must any of you act in this manner? We are a democracy. The guy was voted into office. Vote him out next time. That won't be end of story, just a continuation of politics in America. But, as long as he is president he should be afforded simple courtesies due to someone who holds that office.
What I find truly amazing is how the left were hell bent on putting down Bush, saying anything and everything. IF he passed gas, it was national headlines. Bush always said it was fair to qustion him and his policies for that is the American way. But when someone qustions this administration in any way, oh man is it on. The left is critical of the Patriot act taking away rights. What do you call what Obama tried to do to Fox early on by attampting to remove them from the Whitehouse? I could list others. So why was it OK to be crritical of Bush, but not Obama. I never once heard Bush blame anyone on anything if it was not working out. Obama on the other hand blames everyone and anything. If he took responsiblity just once, his stock would go up in my eyes.
I'm not an Obama supporter. I think it's our right to criticize, but the manner in which it is being done by most of the right lacks courtesy and grasps at straws. Obama has proven he is no different from any other politician, however he is the president. Even if they think he's the devil they should give the devil his due.
You are the only one that has expressed valid reasons to raise an eyebrow at the new bus. I don't know that I would agree with your assessment, but yours are valid reasons for voicing concerns.
Thank you Emile, I totaly agree with you. I to am tired from th lack of courtasy on this site and even more by the lack of HP to take action on those who violate the TOS. Seems they spend more time on censoring. But I have to say, I only get grief and personal attacks from the left. I am truly an independent. When I critisize the right, I never get that kind of response. Well, thats been the case for me anyway
Emile, he said it wasn't to you in particular, and it doesn't look like it is to me, just on the topic, so don't take it personally. I think you are rational. Your third party idea won't work. This country has a two party system, to win you need a majority, a third party just makes it easier for one of the parties.
We might disagree on your first point. On the second one too probably. A third party is an option, but it won't solve our problems if it ends up acting like the parties we already have.
My problem is with the complete lack of interest any within either party has of seriously addressing the issues. They are allowed to pander and the American people seem to be perfectly happy pointing fingers and never expect problems to be resolved.
pintoman - thank you! A third party just splits the vote as you said......look at the 90's with the third party events....
The Bush bus tour was paid for by the Bush Campaign, since it was BEFORE he was President. Greyhound is an American Company, where Obamas bus came from was Canada. Can you see the difference and why people are complaining? .
I'm afraid the OP didn't complain about any of that, nor has any but you addressed it. Those could be seen as valid questions and concerns; not like anything else I've seen in this thread.
Emile, let me remind you as you have clearly forgot This is the first sentence of this thread
"Does it bother you liberals and Prius owners that Obama is campaigning with a million dollar bus built in Canada"
HMMM. Seems to me I see the words Bus and Canada. So I guess I am not the first one to bring it up or discuss it
I didn't criticize him in my question. I do criticize him all the time. He's reported to have an IQ in the top .15% of the population. Same for me! Kicking the dog; the point is no matter what, you would defend him, though you say differently. The usual liberal complaints are; he isn't Marxist enough, and/or he's continuing Bush's policies. Why can't you criticize him for flying a bus around the U.S. Because it's so stupid? You're Pres. is doing something stupid? So you kick dogs just whenever, randomly, because it requires no thought or intelligence? I thought you liberals liked animals. Even though he's not being responsible environmentally, no liberal has come out and said, "yes, it is wrong of him." Closest we come is "it bothers me."
Your first answer is typical of liberals when you have no answer; ridicule. Obama does this constantly. Look, another criticism.
Another angry retort from Emily R why am I not surprised...?
This is the problem with the far left and right. They are angry and emotional and the rest of us want them to grow up and to stop being petty and trite. It is tearing this country apart from the inside.
I'm not angry. I was rolling my eyes at the foolishness. Like idiots that think the hurricane was a 'sign'. We need adult conversations in this country and the far ends are consistently proving they don't understand the concept. Your reply to my post one case in point.
Since you are apparently smarter and better than anyone else why dont you run for office and do something about it instead of wasting all your time insulting people in the forums you could actually solve some issues. We are the people Emily and We need to stand up and take our country back. I do apologize for my previous post it was a personal comment and I was wrong to personally attack you.
Hm. Apology accepted, but you still seem to be attacking.
My point is not that I am smarter. The point is we are all smarter. If we continue to bicker we won't take this country back. The left and right are names you chose to use. They are barriers you allow in your mind to separate us all. They are inventions of the politicians to keep us disenfranchised.
The degrees of separation between your views and mine are much more miniscule than you might believe. But we'll never know if we allow piddly things that don't matter to take on gigantic proportions in order to divide us that much more.
Once again you are right and sometimes my approach is a little strong that is my fault to work on. I don't like the left or the right and have not ever used this terminology. I believe I am an educated voter and I vote for the person I believe that will do the best job for our country regardless of their political party. Frankly I also agree with the fact that we all need to quit fighting with each other as a divided house will not stand but United can go somewhere . Have a great day Emily! I'm not sure I am cut out for forums as I stir too much up without even trying. God bless ya!
You post a legitimate topic but frame it in an insulting and inflammatory manner toward the people you are addressing, then complain about being ridiculed.
My ridicule stands.
It's insulting to see if liberals will be consistent? Hmm. And it's inflammatory to ask a question? And you wonder why we think you guys aren't into the totalitarian thing. Fun is fun, that's ok, but; answer the question. You would rather ridicule to avoid the question, and say it isn't worth your time, it isn't an issue.
Fine, then quit making the environment an issue. I'm all for that.
All kinds of problems with the logic being used here, I think, though I do see the point of the question.
The first problem is this: Obama isn't a liberal. He's not even close. On most economic policies, he's conservative. His war record is conservative. He's liberal on many social policies. But in terms of wasting energy, wasting natural resources, supporting environmental policies, he's moderate to conservative. Just because you think global warming is real doesn't make you liberal. It just means you understand science.
And the bus was an idea that's been batted around for awhile. Wasn't it started under Bush? Anyway, who cares. What should he do? Bike? Seriously, how many resources does Air Force One waste?
You have a better argument about him wasting taxpayer dollars to campaign in the thing, but then, every president does it, so we're all hypocrites if we're going to complain about the guy we dislike doing it.
Please dont call him a conservative...I am a conservative so that is just like rubbing crap in my face. He may be book smart but other than that he is ignorant....the bus wasnt needed....i dont remember any President having a special bus made in Canada at tax payers expense for a 3 day circus where he only used it for about an hour each day.....he woke as usual at the crack of noon and was back at the hotel by 2
crank, I just wanted to see if liberals really would hold the President accountable over something dear to their hearts; the environment, carbon and global warming. Of course they won't. They have proven that here.
You don't understand logic or science apparently. No mention of logic after you mention it. And your comment on global warming and science is a logical fallacy.
I asked my American born husband, if he knew who Michelle Bachman was and he looked deeply serious and replied ..she related to Randy Bachman?
P.S I should not have laughed so soon
You're right about both parties screwing up, and both did with the Patriot Act. Democrats have done nothing to repeal even part of it. You're guilty of believing in an urban myth; the patriot act did not and does not allow the government to troll for phone calls. A roving wire tap is a tap on a person's every communication device instead of getting a warrant for every single device.
The left and right are taking our liberty. Look up our freedom rating on google. The U.S. should be at the top but we aren't. I can think of lots of way our freedoms are curtailed by the government (2nd amendment violations, free speech violations - look up youtube videos- and every government agency) and the democrats are the ones at the forefront of infringing upon my freedom, it's the party platform. But, yes both parties are guilty. That's why the tea party formed, to hold the government accountable to the people. Don't listen to your liberal news outlets that say otherwise.
If you really care about freedom, individual freedom, do some research on what the democrats have done over time, especially FDR and Truman, then compare that to Obama.
The Patriot Act doesn't allow the government to troll. You are correct. Bush pushed the phone companies to let him do it anyway. I can't believe you missed this one. I was livid. It's one of the primary reasons I am very suspicious of Republicans, to this day.
...damn him buying a Canadian made bus....hope he paid the taxes and without any discounts - you know, hope he didn't use his position of power and all that....i doubt he 'filled it up' with gas in Canada either - it's too expensive - darn him for probably not buying Canadian gas.
...cross border shopping - damn him again!...that guy has to go!
SOH from Canada
The bus had been in the works for years, well before Obama came into office. And it was ordered by the Secret Service because presidents had been traveling on buses well before Obama and it was expensive since the buses had to be retrofitted. George Bush rode on exactly the same kind of bus from the same manufacturer in 2004. If Obama was not using the bus, he'd be spending a similar amount of money using the presidential motorcade.
Arguing that conservatives want limited government is hypocrisy. The main difference between liberals and conservatives is where they want the government to interfere.
Liberals think government should be involved in health care, environmental regulation; etc.
Conservatives think government should play international policeman, should tell consenting adults what they can and cannot do in the privacy of their own home, and that religion should dictate how science is taught in public school.
Neither one of those sounds very good.
Here's the story on the bus. It was one of two custom buses ordered by the Secret Service in July 2010 from Hemphill Brothers Coach Company in Whites Creek, Tenn. They were ordered to upgrade the bus SS had to include added protections from different terrorist scenarios.IT was actually supposed to have been purchased when the new Air Force One was completed. But due to budget constraints, the SS could not order the new buses. But it was decided with the upcoming elections of 2012 coming, they needed to make the purchase no matter what the repercussions to the budget were.
I agree the protection of an American President should always be paramount, despite our budget problems
I will say this:
if George Bush had been in office when that bus finally got made, they'd be screaming bloody murder.
Pintoman: Repeatedly saying "you people" and "you liberals" believe this and believe that is not an argument. There's no discussion coming from you, simply a restatement of your beliefs about a nebulous group of people you like to call "liberals."
I'll ask my question again. If President Barak Obama is ruining the environment, how are the GOP hopefuls getting around; ox cart, horse and buggy, their own two feet?
I think it's disingenuous of you to make a claim like this without pointing to your own favorites and explaining how they are any different.
But this is a typical Republican tactic. Point at your foe and scream bloody murder while going out of your way to prevent anyone from pointing out what your side is doing that is any different.
excuse me, but aren't you doing the very thing you're being critical of. and you wonder why no one takes the time to post a discussion- worthy post?
Continually insulting people who have a different opinion to yours is not any way to move your country forward.
This sort of playground histrionics is why all the money is heading towards Asia. Grow up and debate in a sensible way.
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