Solyndra Inc. - Files for bankruptcy
Evergreen Solar - Files for bankruptcy
SpectraWatt Inc. - Files for bankruptcy
Robbinsville Solar - Files for bankruptcy
Clean Burn Fuels LLC - Files for bankruptcy
Federal guaranteed loans, Federal subsidies, Federal tax exemptions, FAILURE. Over a trillion down the drain. Tell me what a good job the man's doing. $100 says is next JOBS speech is going to ask for more of the same. Any takers?
I heard about this on the radio this morning. Solyndra Inc. alone got $535,000,000 then went Chapter 11. Just one more of many failures for the Obama Administration.
And, no, I'm not taking that bet. His speech is just going to be more of the same.
Come on January 20, 2013!!!! Only 506 days away!!!
All Obama's fault!
No suggestion of any wrong doing by the companies?
Ever heard of De Lorean cars?
If everything that happened during the Bush presidency was Bush's fault, wouldn't it stand it reason that all that's happened during Obama's is Obama's fault?
Please. DeLorean got fed bucks to build his car? Free market dude. He croaked cause no body wanted the car. There's no market for solar yet. Someday but this ain't the day. Let the market handle it. Government cannot and will not ever create business or jobs.
tobey....thank you for stating that.....the gov cant create jobs but they can destroy the market that does as they are
No, he didn't get fed bucks to build his car, he got British pounds and never actually built a car for all the advance orders he had.
Basically, he robbed us blind.
Has nothing to do with the fact that the Chinese are subsidizing their solar sector to the tune of $30 billion a year, either. US solar subsidies? Less than $1 billion a year.
The Chinese subsidies will be good for the planet in the long run, but not good for the future of the US economy at all. We are being left in the dust through our own short-sightedness.
But... but... these were... "investments"! I guess now we know why Obama became a professor... those who can, do, and those who can't, teach! Yes we can!! Lol!
Tune in Sept 8th as Obama tells Congress how he is going to kickstart the jobs market.
And to those who want to continue to ride the Obama Bus straight into economic hell.
IT IS A CEO'S RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW WHAT THE COMPANY IS DOING. OBAMA SUPPORTERS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE THIS HIS HIS FAULT ARE ONLY REINFORCING HOW TRULY INEXPERIENCED AND INCOMPETENT HE IS!
The part that's hard to figure out is why they can't see the failures of communism/socialism right before their eyes (starting with starving people in North Korea). For some strange reason, they think they're so smart that whatever version they've dreamed up of the same thing - will work this time - when democracy and capitalism have been proven to work time and time again. Maybe they're all just a bunch of sociopaths?
Dang, I should have said it that way!!!! Amen.
And I do believe if my company had been given $535 MILLION by the government and it then went belly up, I'd be expecting the FBI and the IRS to come a knocking. Would you like to take a bet on whether or not that will happen, MM?
Funny how the liberal believe's in survival of the fitness when it comes to evolution but not when it comes to commerce. The free market worked very well even with all its ups and downs.
These facts are more accurate for Green Energy waste than they are for Obama specific.
How crazy we have become chasing green energy B.S. before the technology has been improved. The cost to upgrade scrubbers in a coal generating power plant eliminating waste close to 98% and the upgrades are near free compared to solar and wind generation..... costs about 6 cents a kilowatt to generate power with coal.... about 40 cents a kilowatt with wind and even higher with solar..... and yet we dump buckets into green energy crap and Nuclear before they has been perfected.
Sheep annoy cattle farmers and I both.
Saw the same post on AndrewSullivan.com, kerryg. And agreed.
Hadn't actually seen the same post, but thanks for the additional stats!
For all the nattering these guys are doing about the "free market," they're conveniently ignoring the fact that the US government has been subsidizing oil and gas since 1916, and continues to provide tens of billions of dollars annually in subsidies, incentives, tax breaks, and other forms of financial assistance to fossil fuel companies - many times what we spend on renewable subsidies.
The loan guarantee for Solyndra was a mistake, but investing in renewables as a whole is anything but. By continuing to tie ourselves to polluting, non-renewable sources of energy while allowing China to outpace us so dramatically in the race towards clean, renewable energy independence, we're not just betting on the wrong horse, we're betting on the lame one.
These companies got their incentives when the cost was $3.50/kw of energy. Thanks to Chinese energy companies - bankrolled by Chinese govt - the cost is approx $1.40/kw today.
Numbers just don't add anymore and hence these companies have no choice but to fold up.
Major flaw in the green policy in the US is to subsidise technology and not energy. This is different in Europe.
Free market electricity should have production cost around $0,10/kW. While photovoltaic ist still well above $1/kW, wind power should come close to $0,20/kW.
Electricity is still closely linked to nuclear and fossile energy production. With leverage 2 on wind power and more than 10 on solar power, there is some way to go.
But BRIC countries are increasing their demand for energy and peak oil is not in the far future, so "conventional" energy cost will rise. Gas prices will not stop at 4 USD/gallon. At the same time production cost for green energy will go down. The gap closes from both sides.
Until there is a break even, a lot of subsidies still have to be payed. But i have the impression break even and subsidies zero will happen within the next 10 years.
So let me do a little calculation (admittedly from a pure European/German standpoint): 10 years of subsidies for green energy in Germany with 15 billion USD/year, that makes 150 Billion USD in total (prooven figures). German economy is roughly 25-30% of the US economy. So that would be 500 to 600 Billion USD in 10 years in US terms.
You may say that is a whole lot of money. - Yes it is. But then: for that money you get real windmills, real solar panels,real work, real jobs... How much was created with 1000 Billion USD of quantitive easing? Nothing. See where i am pointing at?
Invest 500 Million into one or more solar panel companies? Just a waste of money. You can´t extinguish a large fire by spitting at it, you have to use gallons of water.
From what I've heard, that's been China's policy as well. They're betting on proven solar technologies and working on streamlining and improving the manufacturing process and getting as many panels in place as they can, while the US is focusing on innovation.
Obviously, some R&D is necessary - and there are some very promising technologies coming down the pipe in both wind and solar - but as an investment strategy it's much riskier and I agree that the US would be better served by putting more into getting proven technologies into more widespread use. No offense to Germany, but we've got much better wind and solar resources than you (not to mention far more land to deploy them on - you're barely bigger than Montana, and half the size of Texas), and it's absurd that until recently you outpaced us on both solar and wind energy generation, and still outpace us on solar.
If he were a CEO of a Fortune 500 company, he would have been fired a long time ago. But, he's never held a real job in his life, has he?
The two-and-a-half-year Keynesian experiment of flooding the economy with taxpayer dollars has failed, yet the President and his union allies continue to peddle the myth that the only way to save the economy is to spend more. There's another way to go: freeing America's small businesses from the day-to-day shackles of existing over-regulation, freeing families and entrepreneurs of the threat of higher taxes, and cutting spending to eliminate the constraining fear of America's debt crisis. Zero job growth does not have to be America's reality, but changing course will mean ditching the dream that more government spending will save the day.
same post as elsewhere..makes sense
oh, and about the green energy...did anyone honestly do their basic market research as all businesses need to do, to determine what was needed to make it work within the current situation? it's not that its not a good idea there are just many other players that are only interested in their current pocketbooks...in stead of the planning for the future
We Americans like immediate answers -- the result is that we don't always look far enough down the road when making decisions, and solar energy is a good example.
Advances in solar technology are now coming regularly. The cost is still high but if we ignore it until it's dirt cheap (or until oil skyrockets again) we will be the losers.
The Chinese and others recognize solar potential and are moving full speed ahead. There will come a time when whoever controls the alternative energy industry will hold the economies of the rest in the palm of their hand.
The old days are gone and not coming back -- no matter who's in the White House. We need permanent jobs and new technologies, and that comes at a cost.
We now compete with countries whose gov'ts cover health care costs and subsidize the hunt new technologies (like solar). GM, pre bankruptcy, had to add $2,000 to the price of each car to cover healthcare and benefits. Toyota added 0. Universal health care can help us out here.
More deregulation? Deregulation yielded obscene profits for big companies while they moved our jobs overseas. They successfully lobbied for tax loopholes so they now pay little or no taxes.
The uber rich obviously haven't used their bonanza to create jobs or we'd have more of them. They've just been trading our future economic independence for next quarter's dividend.
"Business?" -- don't get business confused with gaming the economy. I've been in business -- it's damn hard work and risky, but real businesses provide real jobs and produce something besides paper profits.
Let's promote real business and industry.
real business...a definition is in order
I think we agree what real business means. to me real business means the Golden Rule, treat others as you would like to be treated, except when you like being mistreated
yes, get rid of some of the rules/laws that profit only the ruling class peoples and not the "little people" that actually do their work for them in America and steal it from the poor people in other countries with low wages.
The Golden Rule for business is about scratching each others backs, working hard and being considerate of many factors from bosses to employees, planning for the future being only one.
what the ruling class is not looking at is to their own demise either way. the working class will rebel or will be killed of...how does that benefit the ruling class, they are pretty damn stupid except when the people continue to grovel and stand up and speak against laws out of line or they just need to walk away from such.
by lady_love158 8 years ago
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl … 09162.htmlObama wants oil to rise in price and he is succeding! The hope is he will create demand for green energy and consequently a green economy with green jobs! Except everywhere this has been tried it has failed miserably but it has succeeded at...
by Xenonlit 7 years ago
Should America take oil and gas subsidies and apply them to alternative power and fuel resources?Why American stubbornly continues to support a fossil fuel industry that is swimming in money from inflated fuel prices is a confounding issue.
by Longhunter 8 years ago
Solyndra is a solar company that went bankrupt after receiving $535 million from the federal government. Could this be Obama's Watergate? What do you think?
by Stump Parrish 9 years ago
How do we make sure this doesn't happen again you ask? Deregulate further and open more of the gulf to drilling. That could only makes sense to those in the oil companies back pockets.
by a1servpro 9 years ago
1. I agree with suggestion - this is a hub not a question.2. I think most of the energy we "use" could be conserved- so rather then USE green energy, we need to design or plan our energy consumption to eliminate as much energy used as is physically possible. Then after we have used...
by RKHenry 10 years ago
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091222/ap_ … 1lc2FsZXNzGot anymore you would like to add???See how far we can get concentrating on the positives of this administration thus far. He has done a really decent job, and I'm not sure how his ardent critics cannot admit that. How about...
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