Who Are The Real Animals In This Video?

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   SpanStarposted 13 years ago

   The video regarding the treatment of cows is extremely graphic so I cause you not to watch if you're not to being shocked and disgusted.
   
      http://thepolicenews.net/default.aspx?a … group=Home

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Without having to watch the video link you provided, I curious...what's your point?
   
   It is often said that a society is ultimately judged by how it treats its most vulnerable members.
   
   The above is the first sentence of the article/video you linked to. The most vulnerable member of human society isn't an animal. It's a homeless person.

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      SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I guess my point is have we as people lost all our humanity?  Do we don't need to weight what's important about caring if we can help and we can help we should help but behave like an animal, what does that make us?

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Bad perception on your part. Individuals can lose their humanity, but don't put ALL into your statement.
         It makes that particular individual appear to be acting like an animal.
         
         Again, what's your point?
         
         Cows are animals, which provide sustainable and necessary things for the human species. The importance of the survival of the human species would be above the survival of any individual animal.

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            SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Don't agree with you at all.  We as human being decided that animals would be good to eat-We made that choice it isn't a universal law.
            
            We who are suppose to have morals should have the ability to rise above the level of unfeeling treatment of others be they man or animal.

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Good for you, be a vegetarian and see how well you do.
               Really? There are nutrients and vitamins that are gained from eating the meat of animals. If you become a vegetarian, your body will miss out on something and you will be forced to find supplements, which are manufactured by humans, so you can sustain your life.
               Unfeeling treatment? What exactly is unfeeling treatment? Clarify?

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                  SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  The fact of the matter is, animal foods is what cause the humanbody to be faced with so many medical problems.
                  
                  I do envy vegatarians
                  
                  Unfeeling is when one can stand by while a woman is being raped or someone is being beaten then turn around and head for Burger King or the like.

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                     Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     The only reason it's a cause for many medical problem is because of ignorance on behalf of the eater, so please.
                     So you're not a vegetarian then? And, there's nothing to envy.
                     That's an extreme case. I meant with regards to your topic. Duh?
                     
                     I know what unfeeling treatment of human is, I watch it daily, and all I have to do is turn on the TV.

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                        SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I you know unfeeling then what are you asking me to clarify for.  Unfortunated when we're coming up we can decide until later on in life what we want to eat by that time we're already indocutrinated with foods and customs.
                        
                        Well I'm not a doctor but I've read enough to know there is some truth to the medical articles that do point to animal products as a health risk and though it won't matter to you it wasn't so long ago I read a Denny's menu that pointed out right on the menu that foods like eggs sunnyside up can cause in humans animal dieases.

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                           Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I asked you to clarify with regard to your topic. Not about how humans treat other humans. I thought I made that simple to understand in my previous post.
                           Which is easily broken by making a willful choice to do so.
                           Eggs if consumed in high amounts can be harmful. This isn't any doubt and plenty of studies have been done on it, however, again that just speaks about the ignorance of the eater.

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                              SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              The issue here is mankind is the most intelligent being in the universe we alone can change not only our environment but the environment of the planet for all those that live on it.  Having this kind of power should make us more then greedy uncaring creatures in this world.
                              
                                  Does That Explain It?
                              
                              And ignorance comes in a number of different ways, not having all the information is one of the biggest ways.

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                                 Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 It's a stretch to make the claim that human beings are the most intelligent beings in the Universe. The Universe is a very big place.
                                 Having an intelligence doesn't always make things better. Some of the most uneducated people in history, made the most impact on the world. Intelligence sometimes clouds one's understanding about what's right and what's wrong.
                                 Yes, in a limited way it does.
                                 Ignorance by definition means lacking something. And, all humans are ignorant in some capacity.

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                                    SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Until there is more then just spectulation we are the most intelligent in the universe.

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                                       Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Again, you're just speculating that humans are the most intelligent. I say that, because of your thread alone shows that not many are intelligent, much less do they know much about morals/ethics or even being human for that fact.
                                       
                                       I mean, just look at the world today and tell me, we're intelligent? What because we can exterminate our own species if it came down to it?

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                                          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                          On that basis we are the least intelligent.

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                  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Not true. Everything needed for healthy growth is available from a vegetarian diet. The myth of the second class protein has been exposed as just that, a myth.
                  I've been a veggie for nigh on thirty years now and never had to take a supplement.

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                     Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Actually, it's not, if the eater is ignorant.
                     I would say that, but this topic isn't about being a vegetarian.
                     It's not about a second class protein. Duh.
                     Good for you.

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                        John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Why introduce it then?

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                           Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I didn't. I originally was talking about how humans use animals as a food source.

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                              John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Which you included erroneous "facts" about vegetarianism which I felt it important to correct.

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                              psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              The video strikes me as relating to extreme abuse, not typical farming practices.

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            habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            There are quick and merciful ways to kill animals used as food. Cattle don't need to be tortured and live miserable lives to provide food for humans.

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               SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Habee you are so right and this video is just a shameful example of how no one should be treated.

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Yes there is and I'm sure it's done.
               Anything that a human would restrict the movement of an animal, for anything at all, would be considered torture.
               
               When you cage an animal that isn't originally meant to be caged- it is torture.
               
               So that means, when humans decided to domesticate cats and dogs, it was for selfish reasons and they should have left them alone with to begin with.

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                  SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  You made think this is shocking-I do-but I agree with you.
                  
                  I don't go to the circle for the very reasons you mentioned.  I don't need to see for example a bear doing tricks- leave them where nature placed them.

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                     Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Good to know.

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                  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Two points:
                  
                  When I was married to a cattle rancher, our cattle had free range of hundreds of grassy acres, with shade trees, streams, and ponds. They weren't packed into feedlots like a lot of cattle are.
                  
                  Canines benefitted from their association with early man. Hanging around human camps meant food. My dogs are much better off than they would be in the wild. They have food, health care, comfort, and protection. Most wild dogs don't fare well. There's the constant struggle for food, along with disease and predation by larger carnivores. In many places, wild canines are shot, trapped, or poisoned, greatly reducing the average lifespan. African wild dogs and Australian dingos live much longer in captivity than they do in the wild.

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                     Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     This is you. Not everyone is like you.
                     
                     Habee my dear, dogs also multiply on a much greater level than humans do. They have litters that humans would never have. This argument is no good. Not to mention, as you say, giving the food, health care, comfort and protection, you are prolonging their life span, which only means there are more of them.

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         Danny R Handposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         We are what we make of ourselves. And you only have the power to choose what you become, not others. We can teach and be good examples, but ultimately, we only control our own choices.

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      psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I disagree.  It's illegal to kill a homeless person for sport, to own one as your property.  And non-human animals are members of our society in that they live in our communities and are part of reciprocal interactions.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         DUH! Where in my statement did you get that? Re-read my words.
         You put animals on the same level and give them the same value, the consumption of them would be just a completely horrible act, beyond all thought.

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            psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Um, no.  I said they are members of our community.  And they are according how the word "community" is typically defined (a unified body of individuals in interaction with each other).  Not every member of a community is literally or morally the same (e.g. felons).
            
            Therefore the quote applies.  Animals are members of our communities and they are the most vulnerable members due to not holding human rights or being "persons" with standing under the law.

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Humanizing animals. Good for you.

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                  psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Nope.  I in no way consider animals to be the same as humans.  I just don't think humans are the only creatures of moral worth and standing. That is the exact kind of thinking that leads to people beating calves to death with hammers. Because they are just animals, so who cares.

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                     Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     It's understand what you're saying. And, I'll leave it at that.

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   habeeposted 13 years ago

   I didn't watch the video, but I've viewed similar video clips. Animal cruelty makes me physically ill. I'll never understand how some people get pleasure from the suffering of their fellow earthlings.

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   SpanStarposted 13 years ago

   Cagsil,
   
      I'll say this about intelligence and get off this issue here because that's not the topic.
   
      Intelligence is the highest level of comparative degree. 
   
   Compared to these two humans one would have to say At That Time Erectus would be the most intelligent beings on the planet comparated to Australopithecus or all the other lower forms of life.
   
       intelligence isn't simply based on modern man's tech books at the time.
   
   Erectus developed tools, weapons, fire, and learned to cook his own food. He traveled out of Africa into China and the Southeast Asia developing clothing
   
   Australopithecus afarensis lived between 3.9 and 3.0 million
   with ape like features
   
   http://www.allaboutcreation.org/stages- … on-faq.htm

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am not trying to argue with you about it. I'm simply pointing out the fact that just because any individual has an intelligence, that individual doesn't always understand what's right and what's wrong. Some think that because they are intelligent they know what's best and use their intelligence to bring about things that are actually harmful. But you're right this topic isn't about intelligence and I'm done.

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   Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

   I do believe you meant "ignorance on the part of the eater, so please." 
   
   
   Actually, ignorance by definition means the state of lacking something specific:  knowledge or training, information or awareness - not merely "lacking something."
   
   Cagsil, throughout this thread you have made claims and challenges to other people and then when they have refuted your claims, you have come back with the question (or an analogous one) - "What's your point?"  Or you have ignored what they said and just shared more of your opinions.
   
   The point is that people are trying to help you gain some of the knowledge that you lack and to gain awareness in areas in which you are lacking.  That's one of the great things about HubPages!

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Did you understand what I said? If so, then why the correction? 
      
      No, I wanted to know what the point was, otherwise I wouldn't have asked the question.
      I'm not lacking awareness about the status or stasis of what animals are or mean to humans. But, nice try.

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   silver lining 5posted 13 years ago

   disgust is a relative term. lol  I don't care to watch thank you.  Besides I eat veeeerrrryyyyyyyy little meat.  After all the crap they inject those cows with, they probably think death is a blessing.

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   Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

   Ignorance is bliss, eh?
   
   Where's the smiley for tearing one's hair out?

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