French guman suspected of killing seven is reported dead

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   CMHypnoposted 12 years ago

   Jumped from a window still firing his weapons after 32 hour siege
   
   
   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17473207

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   I don't undrstand why they waited so long all he did was wound two more officers,  They found video in his car of all the killings. They should have taken him out earlier!

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   IzzyMposted 12 years ago

   I was just so happy to learn when I got up this morning that he was dead.
   This guy took out 3 small children in what could be termed a drive-by shooting.
   
   How anyone can put a bullet in a child and live with themselves afterwards is beyond me.
   
   Actually, to be truthful, how anyone can put a bullet in another human being is beyond me too.

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   innersmiffposted 12 years ago

   Watch the French government put in some outrageous legislation in response now. If they propose anything close to a police state, that's when you know something is up.

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Why outrageous, or a police state?
      
      Personally, I think France have been correct by banning (trying to ban?) the hijab in public places.
      You can't walk into a bank with a scarf around your face, or a motorcycle helmet on, so why allow hijabs?
      This isn't religious intolerance, this is common sense.
      
      Like the English judge who discharged the Muslim juror for wearing an hijab in court.
      
      France is for the French, just like the UK is for the British indigenous population.
      
      There are huge cultural differences between Muslims and Christians/Westerners. We have the freedom of choice. They either don't, or are blinded.
      
      But if they move to a Western nation, they have to live by the traditions set down by that nation, not by their religious traditions.
      
      If that causes strife, they are free to move back to their country of origin.
      When we visit their lands, we dress and act accordingly to respect their beliefs.
      
      They don't seem to offer the same respect in return.

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         innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah I promise you the hijab banning has nothing to do with preventing terrorism. Tyrants like to be able to see people's faces, especially if they want to keep track of everyone. I agree it's not religious intolerance, it's tyranny for everybody!
         
         Some private institutions like banks do not allow hijabs - that's fine and logical. The problem lies in public. If you posit that the government can decide what you can wear in public, it's not unreasonable to suggest that some lunatic politician might come along and pass a law that says everybody must walk around naked because you 'might have a bomb under your clothes'. That's the logical extension of what the ban does. I mean, we have to get naked if we want to get on a plane so why the hell not? The bottom line is that it is not okay to dictate what any person should wear, regardless of the country's 'indigenous population' (which is unadulterated nonsense anyway).

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            What medication are you on?
            PS - Can I have some?

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               innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It's pretty much mainstream info now - governments want to put in face-scanners everywhere. And you've never heard of the naked full-body scanners in airports?

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                  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  They don't bother me at all - neither does CCTV everywhere. I don't mind Big Brother watching, because I have nothing to hide.
                  
                  Edit: But I do object strongly to the cartons of tomato frito being confiscated from me at the airport. They were intended as a gift to my mother. Can't carry liquids aboard aircraft, because they might be a bomb in disguise. Now where did that idea come from?

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                     innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay, what happens when Big Brother decides they disagree with you? Then you might have something to hide I wager.

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                        IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        You are on something!! I can tell!
                        
                        So, I am at the airport. Big Brother has decided I have 20lbs of heroin sacs in my stomach, and arrest me for it.
                        
                        I protest my innocence; after all, I am 20lbs overweight (I wish that was all!)
                        
                        I am in hospital. I cannot go to the loo, I must use a commode so they can check what I pass.
                        
                        I am there 2 weeks, and have not passed any heroin sacs. That is because I never swallowed any.
                        
                        So now, me and Big Brother are at serious loggerheads.
                        
                        I hate them and they hate me.
                        
                        Sorry your question was again?
                        
                        I might have something bigger to hide? Hide where?

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                           innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Do you enjoy paying for coffee with cash? You might want to hide that . . .
                           
                           http://boingboing.net/2012/02/14/fbi-sa … coffe.html

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                              IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes I pay cash for coffee and no, I won't play games with DHS or whoever it is.
                              Nor will I EVER visit the US.
                              
                              As a web writer, I take my cards, I play my choice.
                              
                              I've never been involved in terrorism, drug smuggling, international crime, or anything of interest to the security forces.
                              
                              But if they choose to  believe I might be lying - sue me!

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                                 innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 They're the government, no need to sue you, you've already allowed them to bypass due process (NDAA) because you 'have nothing to hide'. Woops! Looks like you might have to defend everybody's liberties.

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                                    IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Whatever!
                                    
                                    I got bored with this conversation. Old people do.
                                    
                                    It started off with what the French government might do; moved quickly on to what the US government might do, then got crazy.
                                    
                                    Your government, your choice, not mine. I didn't vote for them.

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         Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I don't usually agree with Innersmith, are views politically are poles apart. However, I have to agree that Teacozy has made some real political capital from this tragic event. He's dominated the French media in the last the couple of days and I, for one, think this is political opportunism on his part. I also think it will sit nicely with his Islamophobic perspectives, a chance to show the far right of France that he is not soft on immigration.

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   A little paranoid are we ? What do you have to hide , heres the thing if you are alive !Your  government already knows who you are .... In America the people ARE the government . We know ourselves pretty well. I fear nothing from a government of the people.  I have nothing to hide ......do you! And go ahead bash America , you are still welcome here by the way!

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      innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Paranoid? It's documented and frankly plain as day that there is no privacy anymore. If you believe that the US is a government for the people (quite hilarious), I suppose you wouldn't mind revealing every single detail of your sex life would you? How about you let me know your password to your bank account? Why not? Everyone belongs to everyone else!

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      Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I used to think that if I had nothing to hide, then it didn't matter who held details regarding my personal life. Unfortunately however, I now see that my original thoughts on this matter were based on the fact that I trusted the security services. I suppose the question is this; what if the security services have quite a lot to hide, and you are the type of person that would expose them, given the opportunity. How could your personal details be used against you ?

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   Im saying this tech. level of suveilence is so far advanced , so high tech , what are you going to do about it! You don't have privacy if you drive , if you apply for a loan , if you get married or go to a doctor . Been blood tested lately . They ALREADY know who you are , what you buy for dinner and your sperm count. So what can you do about it?

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   maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

   Why to kill someone who is only suspected?The fear of the truth? French said that he was tracked before (travelled twice to Pakistan allegedIy) then why didn't they arrest him or at least have him under surveillance? How can he jump through a window if prior to this action, he received a bullet in the head? And the best one is French people didn't want the government to develop a department against terrorism before this accident. Now the president is reopening the file. I see a terrible coincidence here!

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