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War on Women?

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    Sooner28posted 5 years ago

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/0 … 84918.html

    Great video pointing out the hypocrisy of social conservatives.

  2. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    They want every conception ever to be conceived, and when the are, they can't stand them.

  3. janesix profile image61
    janesixposted 5 years ago

    What war on women?

    1. kerryg profile image85
      kerrygposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  4. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago
  5. janesix profile image61
    janesixposted 5 years ago

    Perhaps we can give free tubals to these women who want free contraception or abortions. Kill two or three birds with one stone.

    1. kerryg profile image85
      kerrygposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Sign me up!

  6. peeples profile image88
    peeplesposted 5 years ago

    What war on women? There is no war on women. Sadly too many women can't accept equality and seek to be superior.

    1. janesix profile image61
      janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yep.

    2. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      When's the last time the gvt told a man what to do with his sexual organs?--besides giving them viagra for free.

      Women make 77 cents on the dollar to men on average....wanting 23 cents more an hour is seeking to be equal, not superior.

      1. janesix profile image61
        janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        There are plenty of laws regarding what men can and cant do with their sexual organs. Really think about that, because i dont want to bother with having to explain it to you.

        1. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Really? Well, if you are sincere, then you should agree with me that all boys should have a vasectomy until they are ready to conceive a child with a woman.

          No more abortions.

          1. janesix profile image61
            janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            What do you have against personal responsibility?

            1. lovemychris profile image80
              lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Nothing. It's time the men take it for a change!

              ater all--they are the horn dogs in most cases....Testosterone. Wanna play? YOU pay!

              1. peeples profile image88
                peeplesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                LOL! I so love how people continue on with the whole "Women don't want sex" thing!

                1. lovemychris profile image80
                  lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  We have less testosterone "in most cases"...as I said. The sex hormone. No one said women don't like sex.
                  But we would like to have it without the huge stress and worry of pregnancy....don't you agree this should be a right? You know--for us women who like sex as much as men?

                  You know--like viagra is free.

                  1. peeples profile image88
                    peeplesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    "But we would like to have it without the huge stress and worry of pregnancy....don't you agree this should be a right? You know--for us women who like sex as much as men?"
                    I couldn't agree more
                    "You know--like viagra is free."
                    Shouldn't be free if it is!!
                    We should all take the same responsibility over our bodies and not expect others to do it for us! We all have to worry about getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant. Do you think men don't care about if they get a woman pregnant or not? If they are going to offer BC for men it should be offered in the same way to men. However I don't believe it should be "Given" to anyone. Fork over the $15 a month or don't have sex, it seems like a no brainer- pay the $15!

              2. janesix profile image61
                janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Of course i believe men should also have personal responsibility.

                I never said they shouldnt.

                1. TomBlalock profile image79
                  TomBlalockposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Can't disagree there. Granted, we've been buying condoms for ages, but condoms are affordable. My Fiancee's birth control, which she also has to take for a diagnosed clotting disorder, is 90 a month without insurance, and that isn't really affordable. Viagra? Nah, I think that should probably be stricken from being provided. Sex isn't a right, even for men.

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Really? You have a right to live your life? Sex is part of living life. Sex is also the cooperation between individuals, otherwise it isn't sex but is rape.

                    The action of sex is a right because it's a choice. Every right you have is tied to a moral action. All actions come from choice.

                    You want to have sex with someone and that sex isn't against the Law(s) of humankind, then by all means do with the knowledge of what is responsible and what isn't.

                    If your a man, wrap the damn thing up if you don't want to create kids. It is irresponsible to do otherwise. For those of you who are unable to have kids, then do for safety reason anyways.

                    Condoms are not 100% fool proof either. Women's birth control should be given out graciously to those who are willing to use it. Why? Population control.

    3. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It might be helpful if people stopped looking at Equality and Equal Rights as the same thing. They are not.

    4. kerryg profile image85
      kerrygposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Why don't we first make men and women equal and then maybe we'll be better able to judge if women are or are not trying to make themselves superior. Last time I checked, men still make more than women, occupy far more positions of power and influence in almost every field, are less likely to be physically or sexually abused by spouses/significant others, etc. Being equal from a legal perspective does not mean that women are equal from a societal perspective.

  7. mikelong profile image73
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Typically it is a man claiming that there "is no war on women"....and it is a man who wants to tell women what they can or can't do with their bodies...

    In my case, I see the stupidity running amok...cutting off access to abortions and health care....and continually denying that women receive poorer treatment in the workplace than men.

    Perhaps a couple ladies (it appears) posting here disagree....but I have seen it with my own eyes...so rhetoric will not in any way combat my claims..

    1. janesix profile image61
      janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      What women can and cant do with their bodies?

      When you become pregnant, it is not only your body any more. What about the babie's rights?

      1. mikelong profile image73
        mikelongposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        It is still the mother's body...and what she chooses to do with it is her own issue.

        If an individual woman makes a choice for herself...it is hers.

        You can decide what you want to do with your body, Jane, but these are individual choices....and the government has no place in this arena, outside of making sure people aren't being abused.

        Some people look only at the life of the prospective child (for conception never guarantees birth, or a healthy birth at that), but fail to take into account the totality of what will follow.

        If a child is 1) going to have a physical disability that will cause strain to the family/parent, 2) the product of rape, and the prospective mother does not want to carry the child to term, 3)going to put severe strain on a single mother or family ill-equipped to take care of the child, or even, 4) going to be born into a family, city, nation, or world that provides little to no opportunity, it is up to the mother/parents to figure out what to do.

        That child will have to grow throughout life.....and being born, as we all know, is no guarantee of success or happiness.

        We shouldn't be interested in breeding simply to have more kids....we have plenty... Having worked in the foster system as well as with homeless youth, I see plenty of young ones who are desperately in need of help...

        If I were a woman, and I were pregnant, I would think long and hard before deciding to have the child. "Not having sex unless wanting to have kids" is ludicrous, false, completely hypocritical coming from those who typically use the phrase, and goes against nature itself.

        Look at Bonobo Chimpanzees, and keep in mind that you are in the same family.

        Or are you afraid to recognize your primate self?

        That is another question for another time.

        Sex transcends the need for procreation....but some "religious" heads want to control people....

        If we want to preach "self-control"-"responsibility"-and "self-reliance" then we have to cultivate a society of education and choice as opposed to dogma, shame, harassment, and the overreach of governmental authority....

        The war is on Roe v. Wade....and it has always been...  People can try to hide this, but this is ultimately what it comes down to...

        There is a war against Brown v. Board of Education as well.....and each war began as soon as these decisions were made...

        At the same time, there is a war against Citizen's United...  There is also a war against the ongoing abuse of undocumented immigrants in this nation..

        "Oh...but the immigrants are illegal...they are here just to suck our system"...no...they are here making sure your produce prices are falsely low...guaranteeing there is a steady stream of labor to work in restaurants...locked in urban and suburban sweatshops...making clothes in Los Angeles that say "Made in Vietnam/Thailand/Mexico/Honduras/El Salvador/etc")...  They also provide the cleaning jobs that anti-illegal immigration politicians like Republican candidate for governor in California Meg Whitman use...  From Beverly Hills and Malibu, to Woodland Hills and Northridge (all in L.A.), the elegant, upper-class, and largely Republican/conservative, white homes are cleaned and maintained by undocumented immmigrants...

        (One of my best friends in high school was one of these types....mind you, politically I agreed with him. We were both conservative Republicans...we watched Limbaugh on t.v., and discussed politics every day. I visited his home, and learned that they had a woman living in their home..she had her own small room, who was from Mexico...undocumented.  This guy and his father would decry deportation for the "illegals" and "rah rah rah" for their political hacks...then Pete Wilson who signed the hypocritical Proposition 187...while living a lie... Liars....deceivers...that is what they are..)

        The war on the Dreams of the undocumented men and women who are working far harder, making far less, and are far more prone to abuse than we...

        The war against the Dream Act.... 

        Sorry to tangent....but this was necessary for perspectives-sake.

        These wars are real. To deny them is pure foolishness or hypocrisy...

    2. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Me too---stupidity, short-sightedness and down-right minding everybody's business!! Who asked them?

      Mind your beeswax, you Phyllis Shlaughly's of the world, and we'll mind ours.

    3. peeples profile image88
      peeplesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      There is a difference between cutting off health care and saying we don't want to pay for what other people choose to do. I have had 3 children and a tubal, I didn't ask someone else to pay for any of it! In my state if a woman gets breast cancer and makes less than a certain amount she can get government assistance to pay for her treatment. However when a man asked for the same thing he was denied? After the media getting on to it he finally got it. His sex should not have even been asked. I have been in the workforce and been paid more than some of the men I worked with and less than others. It never occured to me to complain about the guys who were making more than me. If I would have had a problem with it I would have quit.

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        Sooner28posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I don't want to pay for drones to kill innocent civilians, nor for wars that are waged only because of oil and a defense industry that needs buyers of weapons.

        Paying for birth control to reduce unwanted pregnancies isn't exactly a big sacrifice.

        1. peeples profile image88
          peeplesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Did it occur to you that maybe people should have the common sense to pay for their own birth control if they do not want a child? Isn't that the logical thing to do? I agree with the rest of what you said and I stand against that stuff too. Our government wastes far too much money on things that they don't need to.

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            Sooner28posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Well it's sort of a situation where there is no really great solution.  If people run around reproducing without being responsible, that will increase the welfare rolls. 

            So, as a preventive measure, it seems better to allow birth control to be really cheap so if/when a woman and a man decide to have sex, they won't produce a child when they are not emotionally ready to be parents.

            It's not ideal, but I'm just looking at what could realistically work.

            1. peeples profile image88
              peeplesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I see where you are coming from but did you know for example the Depo Provera Shot (birth control that lasts 3 months) usually costs $30 to $50. That equals $10-$16 a month. If a woman really didn't want children she wouldn be willing to spend $16 a month. I guess I have known a lot of women who didn't want to get pregnant but did. They had money for fast food, alcohol, cigs, but the important thing got left out (BC). I have no sympathy for these people. The women I've known who really care about the topic buy birth control and give up something else if need be. To me that's how life should be. If you want something you find a way of doing it yourself. As a previous foster child I am well aware of the abundance of unwanted children and I blame their parents not our government.

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                Sooner28posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                No doubt there are going to be irresponsible people.  All we can do is run public education campaigns and hope something sticks.

                Sometimes also, such as the cases you mentioned, people are just stupid.  If birth control was free, they may get it, since they wouldn't have any money left over after drugs and alcohol. 

                I just want it to be as easy as possible.  But I do understand what you mean.  People should take more personal responsibility for themselves.  If there are no condoms at the moment, oral or manual stimulation are options.  There's just not a lot that can be done directly to remedy a situation where a couple without any financial means to care for a baby actually have one.

  8. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    What do you have against women?

    1. peeples profile image88
      peeplesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Curious as to who this was directed at?

    2. janesix profile image61
      janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I have nothing against women. I dont like abortions.

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Then don't have one! It's so simple.

        1. janesix profile image61
          janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Luckily for you, you still have the right to kill as many of your own unborn children as you like. How happy you must feel.

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I'm happy my daughters can have a say in their own lives...yes indeed. And abortion is one of the options avaliable to them should they need it.

            You would like the gvt and your church to rule over them...thankfully, we still have a semblance of decency in America.

            1. janesix profile image61
              janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I dont have a church. Where did you get that idea?

              1. lovemychris profile image80
                lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Your forcing me and my kids to live by your dictates, rather than minding your own business..

                1. janesix profile image61
                  janesixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  How am i doing that?

                  1. lovemychris profile image80
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    "Luckily for you, you still have the right to kill as many of your own unborn children as you like. How happy you must feel."

                    I have been pregnant 3 times. I know when it becomes a baby. It takes a while. Abortion does not kill children. Who told you it did?

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            Linkusblessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Ooh that's right every time you 'waste' your sperm your killing millions of potential lives.  You callous murderer!  And we simply must stop females menstruating.  The monthly annihilation, is simply horrendous all those eggs going down the toilet.  It's nothing short of criminal.

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              roll

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        Linkusblessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I wrote a post specifically on this topic.  (thanks Sooner 28 for thoughtful comments on it)

        http://linkusbless.hubpages.com/hub/The-War-on-Women

        As far as abortions go, I really wish it was more widely understood that a soul is born when it takes it's first breath, not when it is in embryo stage.

        I wish the eunuch would come back into fashion myself.

  9. Mighty Mom profile image87
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Going back to the OP and link, I give huge props to Kate Beckinsale for making this video. It's humorous and effective.

    How quickly (and nastily) the discussion here degenerated.


    It continues to boggle my little mind that the same people who oppose abortion also want to limit women's acces to birth control.

    Widespread, readily available and affordable birth control obviates the need for abortion.
    Less effective birth control leads to more unwanted pregnancies.
    Those unwanted pregnancies, without access to safe, legal abortion, lead to children the mother cannot financially or emotionally sustain which in turn leads to financial dependence on government programs, neglected/abused children (or both).
    Is that really what you want?

 
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